/vr/ - Retro Games

>shader screenshots
>no more than 10 minutes into the game
every time

>>8778412
top doesn't look too bad honestly
i use a crt with all shaders off

but when i was emulating (years ago)
i used openemu and the vhs filter
comfy


not superior but comfy

Unless you're someone who writes shaders for a particular set of software and/or hardware,
what's the point of using shaders to emulate the look&feel of a set of hardware on modern consumer electronics bought specifically for state of the art display technology,
as opposed to,
acquiring existing hardware from previous generations?
>inb4 vintage titles have bitmaps designed with crt displays in mind
That's the only valid reason I could rationalize using a shader.

>>8778458
yes hello hi
you just answered your own question

>>8778470
I'll own up to the fact that I did, in fact, partly, answer my own question.
I saw the OP and immediately concluded that a shader for simplistic games are effectively snake oil
since there's no explicit intent from the developers to take advantage of scanline color artifacts to simulate a broader gamut with the game's limited color palette.
Should've worded it in such a way to differentiate the enthusiast that wants the simulated gamut,
and the enthusiast that wants to simulate a lack of prescription lenses - the latter being the most perplexing as it would make more sense to acquire the original hardware if they want their fudge n smudge grudge

>>8778506
I already own a CRT and still use shaders.

>>8778412
Lemme guess, people here now believe that CRTs are how GB(C) games were intended to be displayed.

>>8778583
Still waiting for a shader that properly captures MY particular bit of nostalgia: Game Boy games being played on the Game Boy kiosk, which consisted of a monochrome TV with a piss yellow-colored plastic screen on top.

>>8778458
For me personally, because I wanted to simplify my life. I wanted to played old games on a big screen, and not have a wall of consoles with a jungle of cables behind it. I just wanted to have the bare minimum to enjoy my hobby the way I wanted. So I sold up all my old games and consoles, and built a nice emulation box with a bunch of usb adapters for controllers.
It's just what makes me happy now. The endless cycle of collecting and perfecting was draining, and my physical possessions ended up making me miserable.

>>8778591
use retroarch and apply a crt shader to gameboy with a yellow palette selected, done

Been using this lately, kind of gives that consumer CRT feel. Looks better in motion than in screenshots.

>>8778659
damn what is that, looks good

>>8778665
newpixie-crt.slangp with some custom parameters. Thinking about modifying the source files since there's a couple things that bug me still but overall pretty decent.

I've kind of come to the conclusion that CRT shaders just can't replicate the brights that a CRT can put out. Like the whites on a LCD display just aren't bright enough and adding fake glow doesn't really cut it. CRT shaders tend to look more like pictures of a CRT rather than an actual television. Guess I can live with it, though.

>>8778591
I think those screens went more opaque with age or something, old in-era photos show them being a lot more transparent

>>8778412
I respect most shaderfags more than CRTggers because at least they don't pretend they're getting the "intended" experience when they make games look like ass.

>>8778797
I personally don't care. If you want to make old games look the best, than by all means, do it. If you don't care and you just plug in an old console into an HDTV, than good for you too.

>>8778865
>If you want to make old games look the best, than by all means, do it.
That's what my OLED is for.

>>8778412
>top picture
>actually going out of your way to stretch a game to 4:3 when there is ZERO argument to be made about "how the devs intended it"

CRTfags really can't play anything unless it's the wrong aspect ratio can they

>>8778458
One costs money in electricity bills, one doesn't.
One will eventually stop existing along with any replacement parts and repair shops dedicated for it, one won't.
And one of them has the potential to immortalize the look with enough effort, which will take some time. It is also free.

>>8778431
No shit retard. People configure the settings at the beginning and get the perfect picture, of course they take a screen shot at that point

>>8778458
>why not buy the original hardware
>why would you emulate
Is this a actual question

>>8778583
>he forgot about the super gameboy

Man I thought the popularization of emulators would open up more doors for exploring different video games but instead it's a ton of kids dicking around with on the settings screen.

>>8778458
It just looks nice.

>>8779356
Just beat Stellar Assault last night (no save states).

>>8778657
Monochrome CRTs are not the same as regular CRTs, anon. They don't have phosphors, for one. Not sure how this one's scanlines would look, though.

>>8779528
>They don't have phosphors, for one
kek wtf do you think is making the light then retard, you think you're just looking at raw electrons?

>>8778674
Yeah, it's something people are just now coming to realize. CRT shaders have come a long way, but now we're at the point where the displays themselves have to pull their weight. It's become clear what's really needed is having as high a brightness as possible through the use of HDR, and only relatively high-end displays are currently capable of providing the necessary brightness and color gamut to finally begin matching CRTs. From testing, it appears the current best match is QLED displays, as OLEDs have an annoying white subpixel that fucks with mask emulation, and they are also not as bright, which is a shame because they absolutely nail the contrast.

>>8779531
Fuck me, I meant phosphor masks, like shadow masks or aperture grilles. It's early, cut me some slack.

>>8778431
how the fuck would you get to bll tower within 10 minutes

>professor elm delivery
>walk all the way back to the lab
>fight asshat
>return
>healing

>>8778431
This better?

>>8778674
>>8779556
I think that's why a lot of old shmups are harder than intended on modern displays, the enemy bullets don't stand out like they should

>>8779435
>no save states
kek sure that final mission is borderline impossible as that ship

Any suggestions?

>>8778659
*a North Korean consumer CRT feel.

>>8780382
The worst game for CRT shader tests. This shit was all rendered in 3D Studio. There is no pixel art behind it. Look at the harsh contrast on the barrel and how equally shitty it looks with a CRT shader. It's just pure lazy automated color reduction without any manual touch ups.

>>8780382
rough

take your rgb out of your super famicom and send the signal to a consumer crt set.
then if you're going for accuracy and have the available system specs- try everything until you get one thats acceptable to you.

emulation does have its shortcomings just like all the rest of it- it may never be perfect

i would just turn it razor sharp and sit further away but im a faggot

>>8780382
Make the bright colors blend the scanlines.

>>8782987

>>8782990
>tfw no english patch for harmful park

>>8780668
anon late 80's still had this look, mainly when you check satellite footage of nascar of that time

>>8780382
turn on interpolation and change the mask
also i don't think retroarch supports blargg's composite with royale on top of it like 9x with dynamic resolution
for those who don't know, the lines are mostly because reshade literally take screenshots without interpolation, since 9x never updated their screenshot code

>>8778431
What's the relation here? That people who use shaders somehow don't play video games? I hope that's not it, because only an absolute fucking retarded zoomer would come up with something so patently stupid.

>>8784249
don't be silly, of course you don't play games
>*oomer
opinion discarded

bumping with an old screenshot

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>>8785281

are you going somewhere with this anon

>>8785290
no

>>8784249
No they don't play videogames, and "everyone who says that is X buzzword" is not the own you think it is.

>>8785291

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>>8784443

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>>8785301
You will never be a woman.

>>8785306
ofc not, I was born a man.

>>8785301
you expect me to look at a raw image? where's the shader?

>>8784553
game?

>>8779556
Interesting.

>>8786737
Good

bananas

>>8787660
Did you 100% the game?

>>8787675
not on this save file

>>8786547
Looks like Shadow Squadron

>>8787675
>100% DKC
jesus christ why would you do that it's literally just blind jumps 99% of the time

>>8787701
Embarrassing post.

>>8787704
we get it, you abuse rewind

>>8787718
I beat DKC1 more times than you beat games in general. You should go back.

>>8787721
>playing DKC more than once
a fate worse than death

>>8787730
Being you is a fate worse than death.

>>8787731
whatever kid, if you need me I'll be in my lambo having sex with my multiple super hot gfs

>>8787738
meds schizoid

>>8788160
>left
>clearly a space marine
>right
>some kind of burqa wearing terrorist?

>>8788160
right looks smooth, literally magazine screenshot material

>>8788160
>>8789643
Not in 4:3

>>8778591
>>8778591
I believe that glass just got shittier over the years

>>8789698
there isnt a procedure to clean old CRT screens?

>>8790039
There's a plastic screen over the actual CRT screen itself. That's what apparently goes opaque. It's easily replaced, I'm sure.

>>8785271
it lacks blargg RF and composite

I'm getting sick of this shit.

resulation

test

ehhh

shade this

>>8778412
not blurry enough

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>>8794216
>8:7
c'mon, man

>>8785306 >>8787739

>>8795247
I fucking hate DOT CRAWL composite shimmer.

Impa's nicer to me than anyone else is...

>>8795824
Retroarch really sucks dick with image shader scaling.

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>>8796863
I don't get it. What are you trying to convey?

>>8796962
nothing, i just wanted to dump some old screenshots of Wing3 with interlace on and some proper CRT shading
and yes, the game is literally fullbright fucked up in modern screens due to SVGA shenanigans

>vrcritiquesanonscrt.png

>>8798193
Which one is this?

>>8798449
https://forums.libretro.com/t/please-show-off-what-crt-shaders-can-do/19193/4592

am i the only one who doesnt like crt shading at all? like it just looks blurry and uglier to me

Nothing beats real hardware on real CRTs. NOTHING!

>>8799629
Yeah, until ol energy spike shows up and OOOPS is dead!

>>8799654
Literally never happens

>>8799739
Everyone says that.

>>8799629
That's correct. But shaders are second best.

Um, wtf is this shit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIuLjd6zOOA

>>8799629
Emulator on modern screen is fine. FINE.
The difference is so negligible. CRTs are pointless nostalgia.

you will never be the real thing

>>8800230
I have a CRT and still use shaders.

>>8800316
filtered

>>8785254
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>>8785289
Normally I roll my eyes at CRT shader posts, but these actually look great and make me want to play the game.

there are two threads atm, but of this and the other >>8801220 continues up tomorrow, i will post some dos 3.1 stuff.

>>8800231
What a fag

I'm really impressed how crt royale just blends everything together

>>8804190
I mean just look at the ceiling light, it's really convincing

>>8804210
I've played raw for decades, but this converted me.

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>>8804214
I don't want to be mean, and I'm glad you're enjoying it, but man that looks awful

>>8804235
these shaders are a hit or miss it seems depending on games. on some it looks horrible but on some games it looks good where its a smaller detail and just smoothing out pixels like
that namefags screens
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>>8800317

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>>8804210
What shader is this, exactly, Royale? Looks bugged.

>>8804190
>>8804210
Increasing the rendering resolution also upscales the shader. You're better off using downsampling/supersampling.

>>8804235
i was trying to work out if they were being sarcastic