/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://www.nexusmods.com/quake/mods/7
https://www.moddb.com/mods/violent-rumble

AD MORTEM
Beta thread
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125461
Current release
https://mega.nz/file/erwV0IbC#LE6uNgNAXh8CkxNhZpFxY3cxMWrS6_eaO92ZdotUfho

=== NEWS ===
[04-02] Anon's Doom 64 Map Jam has a demo out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/128386

[04-01] The Rumble Pak for Doom 64 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126183

[03-29] Retro Jam 7 for Quake is now available
https://twitter.com/ABrut_us/status/1508930000614998017

[03-29] TERRA added to Quake remaster addons
https://twitter.com/Quake/status/1508835203678150665

[03-28] TNT2 Beta is out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2473707

[03-24] Wadazine extras debut
https://wadazine.com/portofolio-extras/

[03-21] Doom 64 Revenant is done
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=68009

[03-18] Huge collection of converted textures for Serious Sam mapping
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10n2GrJ-LrB7Az1aw4fstZUviC8uN5XfD/view?usp=sharing

[03-18] Deus Vult II confirmed still in the works, targetting Doom's 30th anniversary for E1 release
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2469298

[03-13] Quake 2 hi-res pack final release
https://www.moddb.com/mods/turoktirol/addons/oblivion-for-quake-2-hi-res-texture-pack

[03-12] Powerslave patch and editor released
https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/1502729607363051522

[03-07] Q3Rally v0.4 released
https://www.q3rally.com/2022/03/02/q3rally-v0-4-is-out/

[03-05] Elementalism Phase 1 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/100102

[03-04] Chocolate Descent gets a beta release
https://github.com/InsanityBringer/ChocolateDescent/releases/tag/v0.1-beta

[03-03] Anon finishes The 10x10 Project
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125783-the-10x10-project-complete-cl9/

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

I BEAT YA BOTH TO IT
WHATCHA WORKING ON, ANON?

I've been wanting to play some Quake again and figure I'd pick it up from the thread's archives. It's been awhile, but what's the difference between these files?
https://mega.nz/folder/QXIk1bjB#NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q/folder/AD5iGYBR
Also is there a recommended port for Quake for a good vanilla experience?
Something like Crispy Doom I guess?

>https://discord.com/channels/274753444122853387/313065121322631168/959834765513617408
>Hello @everyone.

>As you know, I have been developing my indie game Brutal Fate lately, but the development of it has been facing bump after bump, which complicated things and now the game is a year late from it's original planned release window still with no prevision of it going into Steam Early Access anytime soon.

>Making a game all by yourself is a huge stress, and I believe I got myself in a place where I am just spinning my whells in mud.
It will be better for me to take a short break to zoom out of things and get a more clear perspective of what I should do next.

>So I am putting the development of Brutal Fate on the side for a while, and making a compromise to release both Brutal Doom v22 and Extermination Day by the end of this month, and resume works on Brutal Fate in May. I understand I negleted my Doom projects and my youtube channel for too long, and I believe the best way to put my head back in place is to come back to these old projects I love and finish them.

>Expect a new development diary next weekend.
What's next for Sgt Mark_IV's career?

>>8773869
Pray for me, brothers, as I begin aligning the textures of this cave for my serious sam map.

>>8773869
I've been getting started on a design for the Space Hunter rifle for Combined_Arms Gaiden. I've been too damn busy again so all I got right now is a pickup sprite.
Pretty happy about it though.

>>8773925
keep going

>>8773934
>Keep going
That's what I do best.

>>8773882
I can't answer you accurately because I don't have much knowledge of Doom and I also have my own copy of Quake, but Quakespasm is pretty much the perfect port for both vanilla and modern maps, at least in my eyes.
If you're itching for something specific when it comes to custom maps though, ask away. I've played the vast majority of Quake maps so maybe I can give some recommendations.

>>8773895
Brutal HeXen, hopefully. I wanna see what he does with the Cleric. The RPG version doesn't feel that great to play. The mace is completely weightless.

>>8773882
>Also is there a recommended port for Quake for a good vanilla experience?
>Something like Crispy Doom I guess?
Mark V Winquake.
Mark V comes with two executables. IIRC, Mark V comes with OpenGL, and the winquake executable is the one with software rendering and fancy modern animation interpolation turned off (you can toggle it like other ports). I prefer it this way because, as they say, your imagination fills in the gaps, and I like the original look of the game when replaying the vanilla game or vanilla maps

>>8773869
some beginning strokes on my 94 prots entry, nothing much

are their any good user map packs for SW?

https://youtu.be/HD_5nVzGnc8
I think it needs some work, but other than that, it looks quite promising.

Do I have to beat Plutonia before I can make Plutonia maps?

>>8773979
Just play a few levels, the formula doesn't change much.

>>8773974
Those un-ray-traced static backgrounds looks so out of place.

>>8773979
Yes

>>8773979
Technically no, but you should.
Don't forget the secret maps.

The only pre Half-Life fps I've played and beaten is the original System Shock. Which one should I play next? Doom, Wolfenstein, Dark Forces?

>>8773835
thanks

>>8774010
gotta go with Doom

>>8774010
Probably Doom. Wolfenstein is largely obsolete, and I never tried Dark Forces.

>>8774010
Doom, may as well start with the one that defined the genre and go from there. Dark Forces is bretty good too

>>8774010
Play doom but also play dark forces but only while having 90s tv shows on because that's how i did it \m/

>>8774010
I get the feeling that if one can beat the OG System Shock, they can beat anything. I tried playing it a few times and I just kept getting filtered. You are a God among mortals anon.

About to play shadow warrior for the 1st time.
How are these difficulty levels compared to blood? Asking because here 3rd one is "default" while in blood "well done" was very hard and required knowledge of the game basically.

>>8773863
i'm really new to doom mods, can anyone suggest me some COZY wads please?

>>8774046
Pirate Doom.
The Edge of Time can get visually overstimulating at times but I love the maps and general aesthetic of the .WAD

>>8774042
>How are these difficulty levels compared to blood? Asking because here 3rd one is "default" while in blood "well done" was very hard and required knowledge of the game basically.
Blood's unique because the higher difficulty increases their health as well. SW doesn't do this even though it makes you more susceptible to getting oneshot by things like coolies and shadow ninjas. I'd say the game and its difficulties are overall more forgiving compared to Blood, even if the hitscanners may be less manageable.

>>8774046
Yeah, I'm also a returning player, havent played wads for quite a while probably more than a decade, easily. I would recommend Ultimate Simplicity by agent spork, one of the few wads I actually played more than once back in the day.

>>8774070
This era of wads is one of my favorite. I love that zdoom/skulltag era.

>>8774078
Did the release of Doom 2016 change anything in the wad scene?

>>8774046
Golden Souls, it even has a DKC map.
also seconding pirate doom

>>8774090
For the most part it brought in some new blood and some mod ideas based off of it.

>>8774090
No.

>>8774090
kinda hard to tell because modern doom lead to a generation of doom fans that may not be familiar with wads
at least we add those "doom 4 doom" mods

Is there a wad that emulates the mapping style of Doom 1 with the Doom 2 enemy roster/SSG?

>>8774042
No Pain No Gain doesn't have any bullshit like respawning enemies or inflated health pools, just more enemies. Probably best to start on Who Wants Wang regardless, because Shadow Warrior is a very lethal game. Make sure whatever method you're using to play the game renders the mines properly or you'll be very frustrated in the latter half. To my knowledge, the Redux port on Steam doesn't and BuildGDX does. I don't know about Raze or the port its implementation is based on.

>Night dive patched out being able to bring up the console if you plug in a keyboard in the console ports of Powerslave

>>8774068
>>8774109
So 3rd difficulty will be ok?
>and BuildGDX does
Does what, render mines properly? Cause I want to play it with buildgdx.

>>8774010
System Shock 2, obviously.

>>8774145
>pre Half-Life
Anon your chronology reps

>>8774150
idgaf about hl SS2 is the GOAT

>>8774145
>>8774153
But I've already played it

>>8774129
>So 3rd difficulty will be ok?
I think so, if you managed something like Well Done for Blood. Mines should render properly on BuildGDX.

>>8774156
good

>>8774153
I played it for the first time 2-3 years ago and I loved it. I want to replay it eventually and try out the psionic class or however it was called.

>>8774159
Ha-ha, that's the point that I didn't play well done because it's too hard (for the first timer) at least. That's why I'm asking about the default 3rd difficulty here.

>>8774163
Who wants so wang is fine. No pain is Blood well done tier.

Don't worry the game isn't going to place groups of 5 hitscanners aiming at the door before you've even opened it just so they could mow you down in 0.1 seconds for having the gal of playing the game without memorising the placement of every enemy on the map.

>>8774046
yeah pirate doom is really good.
would also go for 2048 units, it was the first wad I ever completed and the anons here did an awesome job. got me hooked on doom.

>>8774175
Thanks, that's all I needed to know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epwI_ajGpFs
Also it seems this track didn't get into the final release (judging by the bonus ost for gog version), I really like it.

what are some green marble castles?

>>8774186
Most of Thy Flesh Consumed.

>>8774186
Definitely one of my favorite aesthetics.

>>8774186
Slith

>>8774046
Lost Civilization

>>8773865
[04-03] doom.gay got registered as a domain
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/128387-so-i-just-registered-the-domain-doomgay/?tab=comments#comment-2475963

>>8774280
forgot to say, it redirects to romero's discord

>>8774302
>doom.gay
>redirects to discord
The jokes write themselves.

>>8774010
None

>>8774010
Play Duke Nukem 3D and Quake.

>>8773882
ST=soundtrack. the one that says "the offering" seems to have everything, including the soundtrack. v1.01 is the original release, last official pre-kex version is 1.06.
>Something like Crispy Doom I guess?
for playing the original campaign, I guess MarkV WinQuake. for playing custom stuff TyrQuake is better. but unless you specifically want software renderers, Quakespasm is faithful enough

>>8774280
I'm glad there's still novelty left in this community

>>8774475
>/vr/ hard pistol maps project
I mean, can we really say no to the word cloud?

>>8774484
Is anybody planning a Tyson map for 94 protons?

Who is it talking about?

>>8774491
That's gotta be Baratus.

Any Raze users here? I just installed it, and dropped all the files for Blood, Duke Nukem 3D, and Shadow Warrior into subfolders of the Raze config folder. Running it gives me the option to launch any of the games, which is cool. But if I want to make a menu shortcut to run a particular game, is there a way to make it do that (e.g. similar to "-iwad" when running GZDoom)? Documentation for Raze is almost non-existent to the point where it's actually fucking weird. (Even the build instructions are just "refer to GZDoom build instructions", which is... fine, I guess, if the instructions are really the same, but... it's almost like the developers #1 priority in life was to document as little as possible. It's truly bizarre.) I know there are in fact some command-line options for Raze, but there's no "--help" nor any usage notes on the GitHub page. It seems the only way to find out how to do anything is by reading posts on the Raze forum.

>>8774475
understand protags hope

>>8773869
The prototype for my TC is ready. NSFW, as usual.
>https://files.catbox.moe/alfwez.png

>>8774475
>explain zandronum
Zandronum is a source port focused on offering a modernized multiplayer experience, offering new game modes such as capture the flag, invasion or domination. The International Doom League adopted it as its port of choice in 2014.

>>8774498
Damn. Sorry for being an idiot, but I just found the answer. The option is, literally, "-iwad" — which I had actually tried before, but at the time, I had followed "-iwad" with the full path to a file, which is apparently wrong, because... reasons, I guess. It seems to work only when the argument to "-iwad" is just the basename, and nothing else, of a file already located in one of the game search directories. The interactive terminal output was actually giving me hints in parentheses, just without the required file extensions. Holy fuck. So these all work as expected:
>raze -iwad DUKE3D.GRP
>raze -iwad dukedc.grp
>raze -iwad vacation.grp
>raze -iwad nwinter.grp
>raze -iwad BLOOD.RFF
>raze -iwad SW.GRP
>raze -iwad WT.GRP
>raze -iwad TD.GRP
I'm still trying to get Cryptic Passage completely working. The "-file" option does accept a full path to a file, and if I do
>raze -iwad BLOOD.RFF -file ~/.config/raze/blood/CRYPTIC.INI
then I can load the first level of Cryptic Passage. But if I launch it this way, then skybox is bugged and the menu background doesn't change (and probably other shit is broken), whereas if I just run "raze" and select Cryptic Passage from the prompt, then I get the correct skybox and the correct menu background. So I'm still missing something which is probably obvious.

>>8774475
>gzdoom 90s style
so zdoom?

>>8773895
I wanna see him do some more Doom mapping. He should throw a level or two into some Doomworld project, they'll no doubt be among the better contributions.

>>8773979
It won't hurt. It'll probably be a few more days until it's ready to start, and Plutonia's maps are pretty short so it's not like it takes long.
I'd really like for every contributor to get a Plutonia refresher, not necessarily the entire campaign, but just playing through some of their favorite levels and the ones they feel inspired by, then quietly analyze their gameplay and design, and what elements they feel particularly inspired by.

Plutonia 2 is one of my old favorites, but as said by Dario Casali himself, though it's good, it kind of misses the mark a little because a lot of PL2's levels are pretty big and long winding, when in the original Plutonia only a couple of the levels were actually any big at all, most maps actually being fairly short.
Having not replayed Plutonia for a long while until recently, it really reinforced to me how fast it's paced. Even with my own heavily defensive playstyle and penchant for exploration, the levels go by pretty quick, and I think we should really try to capture that. We can have a few long levels (maybe one long level before every episode boss level), but then most maps are quick, punchy, and about the combat.

I'll make sure to make a rough draft of the 'chart' with the needed info, going over some of the rules, directions, and ideas, to see what you guys think of it.

>>8774498
>>8774601
https://github.com/coelckers/Raze/blob/735740e4532c91e11d1d87c01dd438bce771d4e0/source/core/gamecontrol.cpp#L317
this might help for now

>>8774673
>It'll probably be a few more days until it's ready to start
Sweet, that gives me extra time to polish up Actinia.
Since this is going to be an episodic format, I would propose moving the long maps to the end of their respective episodes.
>I'll make sure to make a rough draft of the 'chart' with the needed info
Got an ETA on that?

>>8774475

>>8774475
>maps project mean many version stuck

>>8774714
DKSPX

>>8774694
Thanks. Interesting how there's a "-cryptic" option, but running
>raze -cryptic
gets me the same half-broken result as
>raze -iwad BLOOD.RFF -file ~/.config/raze/blood/CRYPTIC.INI
rather than working as well as selecting Cryptic Passage from the interactive prompt. Oh well. I'll keep playing around with it until I get bored or make it work.

I've already figured out enough to make shortcuts for the base games, though — yes I love desktop shortcuts — so now I can swap out my Steam shortcuts for Megaton, Classic Redux, and Fresh Supply with new shortcuts to run them in Raze, with sexy icons stolen from GOG. (I actually did get the Blood data from my GOG copy of the original game, because Raze didn't seem to recognize the file format of Fresh Supply's cutscenes, but Megaton Edition and Classic Redux had all the right data as far as I can tell.)

What's the consensus on that old TC Harmony? I'm about three levels in, and I'm really not sure what to think of it.

>>8774010
We're the /doom/ thread for a very good reason.

>>8774475
>women trigger

>>8774673
>I'd really like for every contributor to get a Plutonia refresher
I've been meaning to try and UV pistol start each map, might as well start now.

>>8774694
>>8774769
lol. What the hell man. Even though
>raze -cryptic
is apparently bugged, I figured I should still try to reproduce what it looks like it's attempting to do, namely the addition of CPART07.AR_ and CPART15.AR_ as "-art" arguments. So I tried
>raze -iwad BLOOD.RFF -file ~/.config/raze/blood/CRYPTIC.INI -art ~/.config/raze/blood/CPART07.AR_ ~/.config/raze/blood/CPART15.AR_
and it did nothing, but then
>raze -iwad BLOOD.RFF -file ~/.config/raze/blood/CRYPTIC.INI -art CPART07.AR_ CPART15.AR_
worked perfectly. This thing not accepting absolute file paths for some options is really fucking with me.
Thanks again >>8774694.

Didnt realize the last thread died.

>>8773719
Use the voodoo doll underwater. Its way too difficult to hit cultists underwater with other weapons.
Alternately, wait above the surface and fire the napalm altfire underwater.

>>8773969
Showdown In Suzhou

>>8774787
Its aight. The effort of making actual clay sculptures for sprites is commendable, but the gameplay is nothing special.

>>8772649
You can make a similar trigger with boom a couple ways. You can use enemies blocking teleport spots as said (another example of something like that can be found in going down map 32). A generally better method I find is to confine the enemies in a sector with the same height as their hitbox along with a "scroll floor accelerates when sector changes height" control line, then use a generalized ceiling motion to constantly push down on them. As soon as they die the ceiling will move down and the control line will accelerate a voodoo doll over whatever triggers you need (an example of that method can be found in ad mortem map 13). The benefit is that the trigger enemies can now move horizontally as much as you want within the sector as opposed to the other method where they must always block the teleport spot. Both these methods are better than the vanilla version since you don't have to move the floor at all and it's simpler to setup.

>>8774913
that's a start ty. guessing there isn't much in the way of whole episodes for SW?

>>8774714

We're playing a vintage Skulltag WAD for SNS tomorrow. Babby is also in charge of the server.
If you have a God I would start praying.

>>8774046
if you want cozy, the first half of lost civ is max cozy.

>>8774838
Are you hell-bent on using Raze as your port for build games? GDX would be a better all-in-one, and the dedicated ports like eduke/rednukem/nblood/voidsw or whatever are even better imo, though I dunno which run on linux

>>8774475
>playing quake better using feel-nice retro big gun
yeah

>>8775018
>Are you hell-bent on using Raze as your port for build games?
In the short term, I guess so, just because I had set out on a mission to make it work (and I think I've succeeded; I've got Blood running with Death Wish now as well). For what it's worth, Raze pretty much "just works" out of the box except that I failed to understand the command-line interface and a few other details due to total lack of documentation. Just running "raze" and selecting a game at the prompt never gave me a problem once I had all the files where Raze can find them.
>GDX would be a better all-in-one
I never tried GDX, so I wouldn't know. In fact, Raze is the first modern engine I've used for any Build game, which might have been a dumb idea but whatever. If the others are easy to install on Linux then maybe I'll try them. I just saw that the Raze GitHub had a ZIP for Linux recently, and thought "oh good I don't need to compile it myself".
>and the dedicated ports like eduke/rednukem/nblood/voidsw or whatever are even better imo
From what I can tell, Raze uses code from most of those (see pic), which sounded cool so I figured I'd try it, though I'd probably have a better appreciation for how good/bad it is if I had used those other individual engines first.

>>8775018
>>8775053
I think my next "waste a few hours sucking at computers" session will be when I attempt to Doom64EX, because I wanted all of these games running on Linux-native source ports, and Doom 64 is still the Steam version running with Proton. Unfortunately, I've heard the Steam release of Doom 64 doesn't come with the files required by Doom64EX, so I guess I'll have to acquire those in some other way.

Everything else here is now using one of these source ports:
https://bitbucket.org/ecwolf/ecwolf/
https://github.com/iortcw/iortcw
https://github.com/coelckers/gzdoom
https://github.com/dhewm/dhewm3
https://github.com/bibendovsky/bstone
https://icculus.org/rott/
https://sourceforge.net/p/quakespasm/quakespasm/ (is this actually the official repo? holy shit I hate sourceforce)
https://github.com/yquake2/yquake2
https://github.com/Aleph-One-Marathon
https://github.com/coelckers/Raze

>>8775106
>https://github.com/coelckers/gzdoom
I would strongly recommend a more accurate port for classic doom, DSDA-Doom has a good balance of vanilla accuracy and modern features like high resolutions and hardware rendering. GZDoom is best used for advanced community mods.

>>8775118
For what it's worth, I do have Chocolate Doom installed too — not that I've used it much, since I already had my fill of the vanilla-as-fuck experience by playing the game with DOSBox. I mostly play community WADs lately anyway (while being too lazy to keep track of which actually require an advanced source port). But if I ever want a more accurate port, I probably will go for something between these two extremes.

>>8775136
Understandable, I suppose. I just use DSDA-Doom as my default for casual play and community maps (except those that require a specific port, like Eternity or anything ZDoom-based, but with those I already have GZDoom for gameplay mods and Zandronum for easy multiplayer)

>>8775106
for DOOM 64,use doom64CE,it works using a linux native GZdoom.
make sure to ask the creator for the lost level files,due to the batch file not working on linux,you need to use a different patcher that does not work with the lost levels.
it used to stutter a bit on my beefy system,but trying it again,it seems to be mostly gone (so its probably an issue on my end).

its not 100% accurate,but its like 99% accurate and far better than anything else.

>>8774673
Should the detailing in the levels be kept at Plutonia/90's style, or can we go all out?

recently switched from glboom to dsdadoom. is there a way to get no lost souls limit on complevel 2?

>>8775291
It might be in settings in compatibility options

>>8774475

What game featured railgun the first?

>>8775371
Shadow Warrior, probably. At least the iconic spiral-shooting tube design. Apparently it was based on a movie called Eraser.

I never managed to fucking understand how you are supposed to do this map of Doom 2 Reloaded.
map is Phobos Subversion
it says redirect to crusher but I never understood what to actually press to do this map properly

>>8775297
there's no compatibility options in this one. there was the option in glboom though.

>>8775243
Personally, I'm going all out regardless

>>8774050
>>8774070
>>8774095
>>8774179
>>8774260
>>8775001
thanks anons :)

>>8775381
Where's that HUD from?

>>8775243
Go as wild as you want. We're adding new decoration objects, new bosses, and cosmetic weapon animations, so I don't see a reason to restrain ourselves in other visuals.

I'd like to encourage people to detail their maps a fair bit actually, doesn't have to be Gothic 99 tier or anything, and it shouldn't be stuff which the player will just get stuck on when moving around, like a bunch of support posts or pillars lining the walls of a not spacious enough hallway. But like:
>some small elevation changes on larger surfaces of natural ground
>occasional missing floor tile in more dilapidated bases (don't care if it's cliche, it looks fine if it's not all over the place)
>maybe one light in a series is out or is flickering (pretty sure an area can be synced in its light effect across different sectors)
>light fixtures, pipes, and computers inside raised ceilings
>maybe a trim around a pit or a skylight, definitely around non-hidden lifts
>put up a whole bunch of jungle trees and bushes off in the distance outside maps, if applicable
>use some hanging vine textures here or there in caves, ruins, or abandoned bases
>incidental bookshelves and computer banks, could either be indented into the wall or exist as a protrusion, just mind that you don't get stuck easily (but there could also be a gap which could be used for momentarily taking cover)
>at least basic texture aligning, doesn't have to go to the absolutely autistic lengths I go to, but just pressing A on a new or recently altered surface

Not gonna hold any of you guys at gunpoint, and ultimately you'll do what you think works best for your maps, but I just want it to not look like "It's 1994 and I have the trial version of DeepSEA"
If you get problems with a map and don't know how to fix them, I'll of course attempt to help with that, I did a bunch of troubleshooting and fixing with 2048, so I'm used to it.

>>8775389
Atta boy.

how do i disable vertical aiming in games like duke, marathon, doom, etc?

>>8775510
>occasional missing floor tile in more dilapidated bases (don't care if it's cliche, it looks fine if it's not all over the place)
Missing floor tiles are cliche?! Fuck, I thought I was a genius for doing that in Ad Mortem.
Gonna try my best to make the map look atleast a little bit eyecandy - I already have a nice doomcute at player start

>>8775525
>duke
>marathon
why'd ya wanna disable vertical aiming in games actually designed for it?

>>8775624
wait it was?

Also recorded some shitty gameplay of Ray Traced Doom on Nvidia hardware at max settings (2 lights for all) & the optional DLSS dll: https://youtu.be/61x-AKLRoFo

Mod can be found here: https://github.com/sultim-t/prboom-plus-rt/releases

>>8773962
Nice starting area you have there. It'd be a shame if someone.. demade it.

>>8773863
>4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games (pre-configured):
>https://mega.nz/folder/CldGAahb#yn_8LkRHraywPgKJMp5pqA
Hitman 2 has been updated by dosdude, thanks guy. No idea what changed.

>>8775712
Very nice.
Now do it in Wolf3D.

>>8775712
Nice starting area you have there. It'd be cool if someone upgraded it.

>>8775712
How is Doomguy supposed to pick Hard?

>>8775724
I don't recognize this one. Where is it from?

>>8775731
Arcane Dimensions, version 1.50 and up.

>>8775728
the secret is that it's an out of bounds area, and going through any teleporter will have you telefrag a voodoo doll

>>8775712
I want to see a Quake demake in Doom, whether it's GZDoom or not

>>8775741
Dimensions of the boomed.

>>8775712
Sexy.

>>8775741
Considering how many Doom-style maps exist for Quake, I imagine the reverse is also true.

>>8774590
>cocks for ammo
i'm not even mad that's fucking hilarious

i just played through half of quake before realizing it had a soundtrack

>>8775825
Had the same with heretic 2 but whole game because even with mounted CD it has problems playing it

>>8775825
I played a lot of 90s games without music because I got them from some bootleg CD rips that had removed the soundtracks to conserve space. Because of this I've gotten used to playing those specific games without music and it feels weird if I turn it on now.

>>8775829
>>8775837
>CD game BGM
was it an anti-piracy measure? kinda like how NES games had puzzles unsolvable without the manual?

>>8775846
More of a space thing, really.

>>8775846
No, just part of the medium. 700mb was a fuckhuge on 56k so a lot of pirate downloads removed the soundtrack so it wouldn't take a day or longer to download

>>8775849
>>8775852
things like that are really weird for me, because i used to have phones with gigs of memories as a kid.

>>8775859
>he never exchanged floppy disks containing custom Quake maps with friends
You missed out anon

>>8775837
That's how I mostly played them too. Traversing Barrow Downs and its dungeons from M&M7 is actually quite chilling without Paul Romero's orchestrations. Dead silence is better accompaniment for occasional shuffling and groaning of undead, just undiluted creepiness with nil distractions.
I think Team Silent utilized silence interchangeably with music in their games to opress you where it would be the most effective.

>>8775935
That's exactly how I feel about one of the games I played that had its soundtrack ripped off, namely Quake 2. At least with Quake 1 the NIN soundtrack is muted and atmospheric and it doesn't change the tone of the game itself. However, playing Quake 2 without Sonic Mayhem's score is a completely different experience. With it, it's a blood-pumping action romp; without it, it's an atmospheric exploration of a creepy alien planet. Of course I'm biased because that's how I originally played it, but I do think that the wonderful ambiance gets drowned out by the heavy metal if you have it on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLGvIgjq20A

>>8775954
>without it, it's an atmospheric exploration of a creepy alien planet.
The Quake 2 64 soundtrack does a pretty good job in adding to this. It's not Reznor but it's still the Doom 64 guy,.

Even Duke Nukem 3D can be creepy with no music. My first experience with anything beyond Doom was on the N64, so there was no music outside of the title theme. So picking up a key and suddenly hearing octobrains closing in really bought out the Aliens influence

>>8775979
I miss when console ports were developed by other teams who had to account for the tech limitations more, felt like several completely different interpretations of the same general concept

>>8775987
Duke would be a pretty dark game if not for the man himself delivering constant jokes and oneliners.

>>8776001
Sounds like someone isn't hailing to the king right now.

>>8776001
Duke 3D is still pretty dark even if the Nuke duke is throwing jokes left and right. You can't save the girls in non-N64 versions which is pretty weird considering how much the man himself loves them.

>>8775720
I asked for technical support this past thread. I believe he added the eax.dll file to Hitman 2.

>>8774186
that's feudal.wad by the way.
Cute little map very tastefully designed, not very difficult though.

>>8775991
I think DN64 is worth a playthrough because it's full of every single kind of change imaginable
>changes for nintendo censorship
>changes for hardware limitations
>changes to show what the N64 could do that a cheap 1996 computer couldn't
>changes just to change things

>>8776001
I always felt bad for the babes trapped in the alien pods.

>>8776041
>evil boobies replaced by family friendly gun store in RLD
Nintendo knew us better than we knew ourselves.

Nightmare Reaper is going to have a thriving modding community

>>8776031
>eax.dll file to Hitman 2
great if true

>>8776041
there is the fact that Zero Hour and Time to Kill are a Build gams and no one has reverse engineered it back to PC

>>8773863
Where can I download Solace Dreams?

God damn this shit is painful to play.

Here comes this freak to put an end to your party single-handedly and there are even more of them behind the wall, but fret not, cheerful strings and brass are here to uplift your mood.

>>8775954
From what I've seen Q2 doesn't reach that sense of isolation from Q1, but Strogg abominations are dreadful enough for me to latch on to, alongside my appeal for tech-bases. That's if I were to ignore blings and notifications.

>>8776079
The cool thing about Q2 when it comes to its sense of isolation is when you hear the rumble of battle way off in the distance somewhere. As a kid I didn't understand what those sounds were.

>mod has extensive obnoxious voice acting that you can`t turn off
what causes this

>he doesn't use FTEQW
Sad

>>8776073
how so?

>>8776060
TtK isn't is it? Just zero hour p sure.

>>8776104
It's a concentrate of everything wrong with modern GZDoom mapping

Greetings anon, could I interest you in a little playtest of my two (Count 'em, two!) WIP Plutonia styled maps?
https://files.catbox.moe/lmt05g.wad
Tested in DSDA-Doom and GZDoom, complevel 9. Designed for pistol start but continuous is alright too.
This is a little mapping exercise before 94 Protons starts, so this will be a standalone release When It's Done(tm).

Rethro means pigsels amirite

>Note: Wait! Stop! Before you copy this actor's definition into your mod, remember the following things: You do not need to copy that actor, since it is already defined. In fact, it's not just useless, it's actually harmful as it can cause problems. If you want to modify it, or use a modified version, using inheritance is the way to go. The actor definitions here are put on the wiki for reference purpose only. Learn from them, don't copy them.
>copiies code anyway
ONE NOTHING WRONG WITH ME

>>8776182
>>8776185
I don't hate things like this, but the lack of variation in floor height bothers me every time.
Scumheads stuff has this issue too. I don't hate the textures, but the maps are flat feeling and there isn't enough texture variety/visual breakup.

>>8776176
How so? Are you talking about extreme overdetailing?

>>8775954
I hate how Quake 2 often stops the level music before you're actually even done with the level, but it does act as a change from a kickass feeling to a spooky atmosphere

>>8776104
I was playing some of it yesterday, I don't think it's outright terrible but here's a few notes I made:
>very slapdash item placement, ammo is everywhere and health is scarce
>HUD is ugly and wasn't designed for 320x200, requiring me to change my scaling settings so it doesn't take up half the screen
>encounters make some effort in enemy variety but it doesn't feel well-coordinated, more like they just picked them at random
>gzdoom mapping features are sometimes detrimental to gameplay, had a few monsters get stuck on sloped floors, and even slight fog greatly reduces projectile visibility
>picking up wand ammo forcibly switches you to the weapon, ignoring your weapon swap setting, but only sometimes
>heavy reliance on gotcha encounters that swarm you without warning and kill you in seconds if you don't have prior knowledge of the specific route out of danger
>very by-the-numbers weapon progression in each map, you pretty much always get a shotgun immediately, then chaingun and super shotgun together, then rocket launcher, then plasma, then some wand ammo
The gameplay overall feels a bit phoned in, like they made these pretty maps and only later remembered that they were supposed to put monsters and items in them. It's not the worst thing I've ever played, but it falls quite short of greatness.

>>8776194
It's weird, back in the day Gothic 99 got shat on for the comical amount of overdetailing to the point of causing unplayable lag, yet shit like Bridgeburner maps get a free pass nowadays for almost the exact same shit.

Do you guys have any guides on how to set-up EDuke32, NBlood and Aleph One to look and play as close as possible to vanilla Duke, Blood and Marathon?
Classic renderer/ 8-bit is a given for all of them.
Mouse vertical aiming disabled for Duke and Blood, use Q+E to look up and down is ok?
Is vanilla FOV for Build games 75?

>>8773869
Making enemy sprites is a pain in the ass. Even the small edits still have to be done in multiple angles and parts of the animation, making it a huge time sink.

>>8776176
I'd say it's a step in the right direction. It has actual map and encounter design as opposed to this insult of a 2017 zdoom megawad

>>8776281
>map 07: dumb simple

>>8776281
Did someone make a map based on their remote control?

>>8776281
Damn, my man's die are pretty fucked up.

>>8776317
Thats domino you uncultured pleb

>>8776302
But wait, there's more!
It's the same thing, but with S L O P E S !

>>8776330
that actually looks like a tv remote, but it got chewed on by a dog

>>8776334
Did I mention this is rated the 24th best zdoom community wad, and was the 17th not too long ago?

Alright I'll stop bullying this one guy's wad and post a ZDoom map I actually like

>>8776336
Now this looks like a demonic computer board.

>>8776336
oy vey

>>8776073
filtered

>>8776364
why yes, Anon. People get filtered by bad map design and encounters.

>>8773863
Here's some Doom2 mods i've Snekified in SLADE and posted on /a/ Jashin snek Threads
>SnekSeriously mega wad map idclev01 to idclev14 plus idclev31 bonus https://files.catbox.moe/v2hpjo.wad
>SneKtosis two map wad idclev01 and idclev02 https://files.catbox.moe/875h6b.wad

>>8776379
>Screen Cap from SnekSeriously

>>8776389
>iddqd

>>8776392
>of Course i iddqd idkfa
i use cheat codes even in twisted metal black

>>8776379
Sunday Night Shitshow anons, can we play this one too??

>>8776379
wtf I love /a/ now

>>8776402
Exceedingly based imagery

>>8776379
But why?

>>8776398
Probably not. They're just existing WADs with tons of shit plastered over a few maps.

Any wolfenstein mapset recommendations? so far i have
>Castle Totenkopf SDL
>Time to Kill - Eisenfaust Edition
>Coming of the Storm
>Operation: Heimzahlung
>Project: Eisenritter
>Wolf Overdrive
Funnily enough all of them come with their own executable EXE,no need to have the original wolfenstein 3D game,i dont know if thats intended?

Any recommendations for good Doom 2 vanilla WADs?

>>8776415
Hi doomer snek here
>yes there existing wads just textured swap with snek Sprites

>>8773863
>DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD
BOOMER SHOOTERS sounds way better. Be sure to change it for the next thread, slick.

>>8776453
No.

>>8776453
cring

>>8776453
>HECKIN BOOMERINO SHOOTERINO AMIRITE FELLOW GAMERS

>>8776178
>https://files.catbox.moe/lmt05g.wad
I just played through the first map, I really liked it. The first room was doable on a first try, but the two dickpunches (in particular the surprise revenants) in the blue key room got me good a few times. The last trap made me panic but actually wasn't deadly. Really fun, kinda fast map and the traps were surprises but completely survivable Haven't played all the way through the second map yet, but that toxic sludge room was rough

>>8776453
Bad bait

>>8776472
Pretty good bait because he's already got 4 (you)s and counting.

>>8776467
Thanks anon, it sounds like I'm getting the Plutonia style right. I held back on the final encounter because I didn't want to make the first map too hard and discourage the player. I hope you like the second map just as much. Stay tuned for the full release with three more maps, one by yours truly and the other two by two guest anons.

>>8776453
Yea, let's talk about shooters that were released in the 70's-80's.

>>8776493
>80's shooters
Gradius 2 is a personal favorite of mine.

>>8775163
>for DOOM 64,use doom64CE,it works using a linux native GZdoom.
Thanks; I'll look into it.
It annoys me that, despite Doom64EX being Linux-native, the official Doom 64 remake which is actually based on EX is still Windows-only — but that's just how Bethesda is. If I didn't know any better, I'd say they have a big hard-on for taking games with famously multi-platform (i.e. Linux-compatible) engines and releasing Windows-exclusive remasters, with new content so they can claim the locked-down version is the definitive one. But rather than being an anti-Linux thing, it's probably just an anti-open-source thing. I assume the first thing Bethesda executives do each morning is curse id Software for making the Doom and Quake games open-source. Of course they would scramble to make closed-source definitive editions of id Software's most popular open-source games. The lack of Linux support for those official ports is probably just laziness, or the "just let them use Proton" attitude now adopted even by developers who used to release native Linux ports. Oh well. Enough ranting.
>make sure to ask the creator for the lost level files,due to the batch file not working on linux,you need to use a different patcher that does not work with the lost levels.
Yikes. Sounds annoying. What if I just run the Windows patcher with Wine, or run it on Windows and then transfer the resulting patched files to Linux?

>>8776496
wasn't aware it had first person mode

>>8776501
My mistake, I meant Gradius 3. That game DOES have a 3D section
Okay enough shitposting, back to mapping.

>>8776497
Locking down Quake Live was annoying for a while, at least until Proton hit the scene.

>>8776178
You can open the yellow bars without the key in the first map.

anyone got any suggestions for a doom-like engine i can use?
i want to make a sprite based fps without having to deal with doom's bullshit ideosyncracies

>>8776518
>Check
>It's real
Wow. I'm retarded. I'm glad I posted this here, things like this would probably go unnoticed without your guys help.

>>8776526
Most modern 3D engines will allow you to use sprites for in-game objects with little to no problem.
I'd much rather deal with Doom's bullshit than Build's bullshit.

>>8776536
doom/idtech is aged, build was held together with duct tape and duke's bubblegum to begin with, only placated via regular sacrifices to the door gods

>>8776526
Just use Youneetee
dont forget to make sprites align to camera plane instead of camera object or you will get paper cutouts like 99% of the inept indies out there

>>8776178
>>8776527
I'm not the same anon who reported the yellow bars, but I've also found out you can just grab the yellow key by trying to squeeze through the red doors

>>8776453
that's like saying we should call 3d platformers "scrimblo bimblo"

>>8776551
If I were to commit to making an indie game, I'd probably use FTE or Godot.Strictly because they would enable me to use Trenchbroom as my map editor.

>>8776578
is there any successful godot fps game?
i heard there's an addon that imports doom wad maps but that's it

>>8776584
Godot is a meme and it runs loke dogshit compared to even worst optimised unity crap

>>8776584
Cruelty Squad

>>8776584
not fps but holy lel it's what they made that trainwreck of a sonic colors port on, what a good sign

>>8776178
they're pretty good,though you don't give the player enough breaks (its even less than plutonia)
>>8776497
>What if I just run the Windows patcher with Wine, or run it on Windows and then transfer the resulting patched files to Linux?
that would work,i just sent the creator a message and he gave me the files cause i was already on a discord server he was in.

>>8776336
Ah, I should have realized this was the Touhou wad. I feel like this one gets a pass because of the amount of effort put into bullet hell patterns. Imagine navigating actual level design at the same time? Fuck that.

>>8776601
i thought that port was either outsourced or the footage came from someone emulating it

>>8776613
As a fan of the original, that port was a shitshow all around, but this isn't the place to discuss it.

>>8776423
>all of them come with their own executable EXE,no need to have the original wolfenstein 3D game,i dont know if thats intended?
Yes, these are modified EXEs. Many retro PC games are modded like that (Tomb Raider for example). In fact Doom is the only one I know where people were smart enough to come up with some text-based description of hacks, which is then applied to original executable.
As for recommendations, personally I only cared about ECWolf-compatible mods, those being:
Wolfenstein Missions First Encounter: https://www.moddb.com/mods/wolfenstein-missions
Coffee Break: https://www.moddb.com/mods/coffee-break-episode-1-castle-hasselhoff

take the goldsrc pill

>>8776636
There is also the Macenwolf stuff
on which i wanted that someone had added the remaining sprites for those adrian carmack did for the mac ports

what's a fun mod+wad to give all god through

>>8776613
it was outsourced I believe
can't wait for generations ultimate given to the team behind cod:mobile and developed on the x-ray engine

>>8776664
>cheating
>fun
Pick one.

GZDoom is the new Brutal Doom

>>8776684
Wasn't Brutal Doom the new GZDoom because it invented mouselook in Doom (according to gamejournos)?

>>8776684
What did anon mean by this?

>>8776681
it's a christian game and you're supposed to praise the Lord in the console

>>8776684
i was about to call you a faggot but both have ugly and completely out of place graphical "enhancements" (lens flares,texture filters,you name it) and childish and petty userbases so you might just be onto something

>>8776536
>>8776553
well shit
thanks for replying at least

>>8776684
>LZDoom died
>GZdoom just keeps getting more bloated and making it harder to run on my potato machine
>Some mods exclusively work on the lastest versions of Gzdoom
fuck

https://youtu.be/1UtTtrwMQHI

>>8776742
Everything LZDoom did (on the technical side anyway) got upstreamed into GZDoom. Potato support is better than it has been in a long time because of the addition of the GLES renderer.

>>8776750
Wasn't this made by a dumb Russian kid just looking to start shit?

>>8776757
>GLES renderer.
So i just need to switch into that renderer?

>>8776759
even if it was it doesn't make it any less true

>>8776757
I just wish GZDoom had the option to use smallfont for menus. The font it uses looks fucking awful.

>>8776759
Can confirm Discord screencaps are in Russian

>>8776265
>Mouse vertical aiming disabled for Duke and Blood, use Q+E to look up and down is ok?
DOS Build allows you to look up and down with the mouse by default, it just forbids you from moving vertically and horizontally at the same time unless you use BMouseFix.

>Constantly download new wads,update old ones,etc
>"I will play them someday"
>That day never happens
>Dont delete them because "I will need them someday" despite never using it
Fuuuuck

>>8776750
>actors running checks for a million flags, values and etc.
How else would've you done that?

>>8776497
>or the "just let them use Proton" attitude now adopted even by developers who used to release native Linux ports.
Probably this. Why bother paying people for dev time on a Linux version when you can not do that and the comparatively tiny Linux playerbase can solve it themselves?

So what mods are even played on GZDOOM aside from Brutal Meme and Hideous Destructor?

>>8776806
I just play my favorites over and over again.

>>8776829
The Golden Souls trilogy. Really it and HDest is the only reason why I bother updating.

>>8775624
>>8775664
Duke shipped with vertical mouse aim turned off. You should be able to toggle it with U, and toggle crosshair with I.

Doom typically doesn't come with vertical mouse aim so that's in your port's options

>>8776829
For me? Treasure Tech, La Tailor Girl, and Walpurgis.

>Unsure if mod works on Both GZdoom and LZdoom
is there a fast way to test this? i know some will just crash on LZdoom,but i assume there is special coding on enemies,weapons,maps that will work on GZDoom,still run in LZdoom but wont work at some points

>>8776829
My mods folder is quite big but here the ones I use frequently:
AutoAutoSave (modern games' checkpoints spoiled me so it's either rewind for dsda-doom or this mod for GZ)
Corruption Cards (just right amount of fun randomness)
Doom Delta (mainly for Doom 1 wads)
Final Doomer (for respective wads, like Plutonia/TNT sequels)
Trailblazer (when I want to have fun steamrolling everything)

>>8776836
Based

>>8776807
There are other ways, but the GZD's issue is that it has to do every check one by one in a linear sequence without any hyperthread or multitask since Graf can't figure out a way to do it without breaking compatibility with absolutely everything

>>8776864
>Corruption Cards (just right amount of fun randomness)
I think its just me,but newer versions of that mod tanked my fps,i keep using the old versions,What version are you using?

How do I download Chocolate Duke?
> https://github.com/fabiensanglard/chocolate_duke3D
I tried to set it up after reading >>8776265 but I dunno how to compile stuff

>>8776871
I don't think anybody can. Because of Doom's deterministic nature, multithreading is simply not possible. Either determinism is broken as the game reaches different results on different thread counts or the threads have to be kept in sync, defeating the point of multithreading in the first place.

>i never used ZDoom

>>8776829
I like Combined Arms and GMOTA. Also QCDE. If I want to chill out with something more vanilla-esque then Doom Delta.

>>8774037
The enhanced version is very approachable, give it a try. Great game.

>>8776829
Babel. I’ve only ever seen it talked about in these threads.

>>8776875
Version 3.0, never noticed fps drops on my PC. Just tested on Hellbound MAP29 (which barely holds 60fps unmodded, so I use it as benchmark), got 55-60 fps.
Maybe you're using some other mod which drags the performance down? It can be anything, for example I was surprised to learn that Final Doomer is quite resource intensive, being just a weapon mod.

>>8776893
what's his fucking problem?

>>8775381
You need to redirect the power through the water-filled section on the left and then rush back and close both doors on the crusher and wait until the monsters teleport in. It takes a while.

>when someone uses plain ZDoom

Anyone know of any Doom/Quake/Half Life mods/episodes set during the winter? Preferably outdoors with lots of snow. Additionally, any set during the night outdoors as well. I get a fuzzy feeling just exploring those types of environments.

>>8774037
Enhanced version simplifies controls a fuckton, do give it a try. Worth playing.

>Anime wads

>>8776956
I can only offer Doom stuff, but Cold as Hell, one of the episodes of Eviternity, and Whitemare 1 and 2.

>>8776906
GMOTA and Combined_Arms are Zandronum compatible, actually. I made it a point to break off from fancy pants newer GZDoom versions for that reason.

>(Yes, I never ever used plain ZDoom.)

>>8776971
>ZDoom? Sorry only Chocolate Doom for me and I dont play maps made after 2003, thank you very much.

>>8776956
I can give you some snowy ideas for Quake. I love snow maps.
>No Quarter by Scampie (my personal favorite, modern, from Xmas Jam 2018)
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/xmasjam2018.html
>Brumal Quest (Hexen-style, classic, early 00s)
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/alk15.html
>Paluu Pakkasherran Palatsiin by Newhouse (hardcore and unforgiving, from Smej Jam)
>Saunalaakson Verilöyly by Hardcore Mazu (long and difficult, huge map, modern, also from Smej Jam)
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/smejjam.html
>Winter of the Ice Queen by Redfield (based on Frozen, short and sweet, from Xmas Jam 2017)
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/func_xmasjam2017.html
>Icemecha Dojo by Pinchy (sci-fi facility with outdoor snowy area, modern, from Blue Monday Jam)
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/bluemonday_v2.html
>Torrent of Impurities aka SMEJ (long and difficult pack, several maps are snow-themed, modern and ambitious)
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/smej2_1.1.html

>>8777012
Three more.
>Cave of the Selfless Martyr by JCR (short with some bits of story, from Xmas Jam 2019)
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/xmasjam2019.html
>Frozen Demise by Bloodshot (more icy than snowy but still, from Xmas Jam 2018)
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/xmasjam2018.html
>Just a Smejin by Pinchy (open map, from Smej Jam)
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/smejjam.html
>The Realm of Enceladus by MFX (from Arcane Dimensions, has a big outdoor area in the beginning)

>>8775163
>>8776497
>>8776609
I ended up using Wine to run the Doom 64 CE patcher on Linux, and got it to work after a little bit of mucking around.

I ran it like this (from inside the folder where I unzipped DOOM64.CE-3.0.0.zip):
>WINEPREFIX=~/.wine_doom64ce wine cmd /c doom64-install.bat
On the first attempt, the initial patching seemed to work, but then the Lost Levels patching failed as >>8775163 said it would:
>Patching IWAD...
>
>The patch was applied successfully!
>Assembling the Lost Levels...
>
>003b:err:mscoree:CLRRuntimeInfo_GetRuntimeHost Wine Mono is not installed
>Processing MAP34...
>
>Couldn't read ROM. What exactly are you doing?
>Processing MAP35...
>
>Couldn't read ROM. What exactly are you doing?
...and so on.
That error about Wine Mono stuck out, so I installed that, and ran the patcher again:
>WINEPREFIX=~/.wine_doom64ce wine msiexec /i ~/Downloads/wine-mono-4.9.4.msi
>rm DOOM64.IWAD # (created by failed attempt; start over just to be safe)
>WINEPREFIX=~/.wine_doom64ce wine cmd /c doom64-install.bat
That time it seems to have worked. All of the terminal output says patching was successful, and GZDoom for Linux seems to be running the first "Lost" map (after an obnoxiously long intro). I just ran it with
>gzdoom -iwad DOOM64.IWAD -file DOOM64.CE.ipk3 *.pk3
where the "*.pk3" is all of the included/created ".pk3" files (except for the included "gzdoom.pk3" which I assume is there for the included Windows version of GZDoom).

>>8776928
he's likely genuinely autistic, and even worse german

>>8774971
Not good ones at least. There's another great single map called City Life.
Also, the unreleased expansion Deadly Kiss actually leaked and you can play it. Its very fun.

So according to that Doomworld thread, Doom95 was most people first source port.

>>8776336
Rated by who?

>>8777034
good you got it working,how is it?

Made a >tumblr about retro fps news for the 12 people on there who care about it. Will just be reposts of the news anchor from here.

https://doom-scrolling.tumblr.com/

>>8777031
>>8777012
>>8776960
Thanks a lot dudes. Gonna kick back and enjoy going through these.

>>8777045
Makes sense since it was included with some of the official releases.

>>8777058
you just reminded me of inmost dens
kinda miss that blog

I suppose with my efforts to replay Sunder and finish Abandon map 05 on UV with no saves, it's time to start playing on a real port. What's a decent upgrade from GZDoom in terms of authenticity while still having some user friendliness? I've mostly stuck with gzdoom because it's been able to play literally everything I've thrown at it with no tweaking, but certain huge maps lag as well and it's probably time I play a port that doesn't fuck with the RNG.

>>8777058
>tumblr
Jesus they still exist after they shot themselves in the dick? I mean nowadays is there even any implication after all the tumblrfags infested twitter and half of reddit instead? It's probably, ironically, pretty mellow now

>>8777042
link? i can't find anything about that.

>>8777072
Yeah I spotted the blog a couple weeks ago but it hasn't posted since 2019. Figured it wouldn't be hard to do something similar.

>>8777079
Tumblrites will insist they're better than twitter and tiktok but they're still just as retarded. Completely delusional userbase. That being said there's still a few people on there who care about doom and such but don't hang out here.

NRFTL for Chocolate/DOS when

>>8777086
Doom+ for DOS, Crispy for modern systems. Or are you asking when NRFTL will be downgraded for vanilla limits?

>>8777012
there is a ice themed quake 2 japanese map, and a community mission pack, i think donde's website has the names of it.
i simply forgot the name of the later but the damn thing was hard early on because of fucking gunners and mutants at
the first map

Quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vh1UkCPXLA

>>8777090
the latter, like they did with Sigil

>>8777094
The only snow/ice-themed Q2 maps I personally remember are Arctic Base and Neil Manke's SoF4 map.
https://www.quaddicted.com/files/mirrors/ftp.planetquake.com/cineplex/arcbv2.zip
https://www.quaddicted.com/files/mirrors/ftp.telefragged.com/tenfourmaps/q2/sofm4.zip

>>8777075
usually just a prboom fork, nowadays the most modern being dsda or woof(?)
you might have to enter complevels manually, I'm not really sure I do it out of habit so it might auto-detect, but beyond first time grafix and control setup it should work just fine

>>8777103
feels wrong, the compression is familiar and comfy and this is done via upscaling instead of rebuilding from source audio which scare grug brain with witchcraft

how many burgers and fries until SNS

>>8777105
found it, is the Armageddon Device

>year of our lord and savior 2022 ad
>30 years of hardware evolution
>still not enough to place a tiny two-dimensional bitmap in the right place

>>8777135
I remember that one being atrocious but at least it tried some new stuff

SUNDAY NIGHT SHITSHOW TIME YET AGAIN! Tonight we're playing through some old Skulltag wad called Hell Legacy! Connect with Zandronum
51.161.34.159:10666
51.161.34.159:10666
51.161.34.159:10666

>>8777138
"The right place" happens to be a very wrong place as far as all rendering logic is concerned. It's ultimately id's fault for putting sprites under the floor in the first place.

>>8777058
>Tumblr

>>8777075
DSDA-Doom, primarily because its dev is spearheading the new MBF21 complevel, so it's cutting edge. It also has a rewind hotkey, which is overpowered. It's simply a fork of PrBoom+ 2.6. The dev just added some extra code like the aforementioned rewind and complevel
>>8777109
>autodetect
Nothing can autodetect if the wad needs to be cl9 or whatever. You gotta organize your wads by compatibility so you don't have to guess. It almost never matters, but there are a tiny minority of maps you can't complete without the correct complevel, like that Sunlust map that relies on items falling off ledges so you can collect the BFG. I forget which update changed falling items, if that change was already in complevel 17 or if it was changd in cl21

>>8777180
Doesn't gzdoom detect complevels or whatever? I forget how it works to keep its famed "throw anything at it and it just werks" newbie frendliness

>>8777169
>what_year_is_it.jpg
Anon you're in a Doom thread

>>8777195
tumblr is dead
doom is too angry to dead
big difference

>>8777193
It doesn't bother with complevels. That's something unique to PRBoom and its descendants. It has compatibility flags to enable certain behaviors that are changed by default, but it's up to the user to know what they'll need to toggle.

>>8777204
yeah I remember the compflag menu, thought that it picked the right preset (but not the strict version) based on... something
kind of dumb reading that back but I never did put much thought into it

>>8777081
2nd and 3rd google results for "shadow warrior deadly kiss download".

>>8777168
They had no way to predict what rendering engines would be like in the future, or that people would adapt their engine to a modern renderer.

>>8777165
Is the server kill?

>>8777165
one moment please, we had a crash

>>8777165
New server: "[TSPG] Sunday Night Shitshow #58: Fuck My Life Edition"
104.128.49.2:10856

What happened to SNS server? Was the wad too jank and the server got killded?

>>8776104
Not him, but I found the combat many times very grindy and boring. In more slaughterous sections there isn't interesting placement or room design. Just too much monsters copypasted into gigantic area where you have no problem dodging their projectiles. At least third episode uses smaller rooms and more thoughtful placement.

But the wad is not fully bad. It has lot of soul in it, most mappers of it just aren't very experienced (excluding bridgeburner and dragonfly).

>>8776281
>2017 zdoom megawad
What is it?

sandwich

>>8777324
No.

>>8777324
NO WAY You Double Nigger

>>8777324
no.

>>8777324
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS_gBVmaqYY

>>8777165
Another new server: 104.128.49.2:10848

Are we posting UDMF format map wireframes? I want to post a UDMF format map wireframe.

>pretend it's a feature
>immediately crashes again

>"is the server gonna crash again?"
>"Pretend it's a feature"
>server crashes 4 seconds later

Me: wanting to make a map, not even knowing what to do for even one room

>>8777356
Try placing enemies first and then build the room around them.

>>8777354
The timing on this one was perfect. This is the jankiest wad I have seen yet.

>>8777168
What I'm talking about.

>>8777356
think of an enemy encounter and make it
then detail the room afterwards

>>8777165
FUCK IT!!! Let's play Scythe 2. 104.128.49.2:10848

>>8777369
How about a photo, for luck?

>>8777165
I am livid. Come play Scythe 2. 104.128.49.2:10848

>>8773863
The Doom Speed Demos Archive youtube channel uploaded a video for the first time in nearly a year. It's a pretty comfy one
https://youtu.be/B4MAAqSMA4M

>>8776829
>kegan's shit
>treasure tech
>quickcharge
>doomRL arsenal for less interesting wads
>smaller stuff like peter's hud, nashgore

>>8776829
i like naku naru and high noon drifter

>>8777451
what map is this?

>>8776829
Adventures of Square is the closest thing to a perfect 10 that I've played, IMO, and that's even with that level that I got lost in that I skipped

>>8777251
Yeah, but it's still true that if they'd rendered the sprites above the floor, then this problem wouldn't even exist.

>>8777363
I know. The sprite gets cut off because it's below the floor. As explained in the screenshotted post, the method to replicate that in a hardware renderer is extremely inefficient.

>>8777461
map06 of DBP37

>>8776568
scrimblo bimblo 64
woohoo

But what does Doomguy eat during his time in Doom 1 and 2?
What does any retro FPS protagonist eat during their campaign? They're always busy shooting, when do they get a chance to eat?

>>8773865
[04-03] Anon's H TC Slooter has a demo out!
https://buxomdev.itch.io/slooter

>>8777546
>that first screenshot
Lol. Lmao.

was wondering why it had to download scythe2.wad

>>8777165
One more server. Let's finish this once and for all.
104.128.49.2:10858

Last time I saw that square room was in like 2008

>>8777165
Thanks for putting up with shenanigans tonight.

>>8777606
>that tiny commander keen

>>8777606
Truly this was a Sunday Night Shitshow

>>8777625
Remind me to not let babby pick wads.

>>8777625
The true Shitshow was inside us all along!
KAR

>>8776829
Russian Overkill and Shadow of the Wool Ball are some good mods I can think of.

weird question
i love boomer shooters. quake, doom, duke, sw, even ion fury and dusk
i dont like any of the remakes. at all.
hate doom 3+, hate shadow warrior 2013+, hate duke forever
i didnt even grow up with boomer shooters. my first fps was halo 1. wtf made them so comfy?

>>8777054
Seems okay so far. Haven't played it much yet. Lighting seems way different than in Steam (Kex Engine) version — not a problem, just an observation. I'm guessing CE has the better lighting if I go and compare them. Wall textures in CE seem a bit blurry despite the fact that I have texture filtering disabled in the settings, but whatever.

>>8777686
Beauty in simplicity. Even Doom 2016 + Eternal which are a "return to form" depending on who you ask, can't help but bog themselves down with RPG progression systems and cooldown management.
Sometimes you just want guns and enemies designed alongside eachother and put thoughtfully into levels that let them shine.

>>8777686
Replayability

>>8777686
>wtf made them so comfy
soul

>>8777695
ye all 3 of these posts r stuff ive thought of, so i agree
2016's level design and rpg progression like you said turned me off. the settings were so boring but i cant put my finger on it
never played eternal cause i kept asking people and they told me about some of the stupid gamey features it had like spawning a clump of trash so you can chainsaw them for more ammo
idk i liked the simplicity of doom where a clump of enemies like that have different ways you can handle it without feeling like youre not playing correctly
also someone posted a wad called trench foot and the release date says apr 1 for the demo, is this new or something

>>8777686
There's a technical explanation for the reason Doom is addictive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq3x1Jy8pYM

Doom uses RNG for everthing it can to enhance gameplay. This is a perfect example of how to use RNG for good instead of Loot Box gameplay.

I can say that this room is RNG and yet at the same time can say that it was my own fault for dying in it.
Is it some form of bizarre mindbroken cope? I know it's an absolute bullshit thing to do at the end of the level but it just makes it way more exciting.

>>8777687
For comparison:
Top = Doom 64 (Kex Engine), "Filtering: Off"
Bottom = Doom 64 CE (GZDoom), "Texture Filter mode: None"

Doom 64 CE textures are properly crisp and pixelated with software rendering, but then everything is dark as fuck, so I don't think Doom CE's lighting was intended for software rendering mode. Other games I play in GZDoom look the way I'd expect with texture filtering set to "None" so this is Doom 64 CE doing something weird. It's not a big deal, especially considering N64 had blurry-ass texture filtering if I remember correctly, but it's still strange.

>>8777745
Looks like upscaling, look for resizing options in texture settings.

>>8777754
Oh, I found it. I had impatiently added all of the ".pk3" files, and some of them are for specific effects. There's one called "3PointFilter.pk3" which I assume is specifically meant to emulate Nintendo 64's texture filtering. Removing that gets rid of the authentic-looking but subjectively annoying blur. So yeah, Doom 64 CE does provide its own texture filtering outside of GZDoom's built-in options, but it's easily removed.

>>8777789
Just use the official remake instead of some jank gzdoom mod, especially since you already have it

>>8777789
Ah, I was just going by the appearance of the sprites. Three-point filtering is neat to see the smooth caution stripes on the texture that has them, but not worth blurring everything if you ask me.

TFE virgin from the last thread here, I already complained about the frogs before but I just got to the frog boss in stage 5 and whoever came up with these things belongs in the gulag. Nothing about them is fun to fight, they're just insanely annoying and suck complete balls.

>>8776187
This shit is the opposite of true, because inheritance (at least for monsters) breaks a lot of shit for seemingly no good reason.

>>8777606
Where'd the sprite on the second guy from the left come from?

>>8777864
I know that feel
>Have anonymous function running on a monster's See state
>Make another actor inheriting from it
>The anonymous function spawns a copy of the inherited actor
>Redefining the see state doesn't get rid of the anonymous function on the inherited actor
>The inherited actor now starts making copies of itself, which in turn make more copies of themselves

>>8777804
>Three-point filtering is neat to see the smooth caution stripes on the texture that has them, but not worth blurring everything if you ask me.
It actually doesn't blur the menu text, etc., like GZDoom's built-in trilinear filtering does. So it's not so bad.

>>8777801
>Just use the official remake instead of some jank gzdoom mod, especially since you already have it
>t. Bethesda employee
lol...? Sorry, but I specifically wanted to run the game on a Linux-native engine, i.e., without using Proton, and someone at Bethesda decided that the official Doom 64 remake should be Windows-only despite other Kex Engine games being multi-platform. I'm not seeing any way in which GZDoom is more "jank" than Kex Engine anyway, so I don't know why you're telling me to stop using the GZDoom version after I've already got it working the way I want. Regardless, I'm going to keep both installed so that I can use either of them depending on what I feel like using at any given moment.

>>8777469
Do you not know what youre even talking about? They did render the sprites above the floor. The sprites were technically sunken below it, but the software renderer could easily display the sunken parts over the flat, enhancing the 3D effect. There was no error on Id's part.

Haha
Video games

>>8777939
Vsync would have saved that poor man's life.

>>8777947
He's okay, he just needs a little ibuprofen and a glass of water
More screenshots

>>8776239
excuse me for the dumb question but how do you play on 320x200?
you have some old CRT monitor or something?

>>8777958
I assume he just meant that his usual HUD scale resulted in Elementalism's HUD being too large, I had the same issue at first when i played it.
Why does it need its own HUD anyway?

>>8777958
I don't. I play at 1920x1080 with the HUD scaled to fullscreen. With a HUD designed for 320x200, as most are, this looks fine. Elementalism's high-res bullshit doesn't work so well.

>>8777889
A custom skin that someone commissioned for their own use on our servers. If you want to find it search for "Avali" in the wads section on allfearthesentinel.

>>8776925
>>8776875
some GZDOOM settings tanks fps like the HRTF sound option.

>>8776829
Square
Project brutality (I'm actually loving it)
pirate doom
reelism 1 and 2 (this one is great to unwind after a stressful day)
and a few other TCs

>>8777805
are you talking about the small room you get trapped and frogs come from everywhere?
yeah I got fucking filtered there too.
Second encounter is way more fun IMO

>>8777805
Did you find the Chaingun and Tommygun secrets?

>>8778008
pj is a lot better than brutal desu
love the animations
id recommend trying meta doom and spellcaster