/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8760754
The higher ups didn't really believe in the game succeeding and gave the team a ridiculously short amount of time to make it, hence the massive amount of reused assets. I thought this was common knowledge honestly

>>8760754
>rarely see anyone mention this when talking about Majora's Mask
People tall about that all the time. Reusing character models is the top complaint every sperg has about MM

>>8760754
Aonuma hated working on the 64DD port of Ocarina of Time and whined to Miyamoto that the time wasted on that could be put towards making a new Zelda game. Miyamoto took him up on the bet and gave him one year to do exactly that. Naturally, asset reuse from OoT was a major time-saver

>>8760754
Its a parallel universe you fucking idiot. Only the happy mask merchant might be the same person.

>>8761146
The skull kid is explicitly the same one as one of the kokiri forest skull kids, also

>>8760754
Because you’re making babby’s first criticism. Anyone with an IQ in the triple digits understands the practicality of game development.

Because it's only an expansion pack they disguised as a game by adding "hours of content" in the shape of fetchquests and redundancy

>>8761176
Imagine how cool it would be if they just added the dungeons and towns from Majora's Mask without all the fucking padding. Too bad it's not a simple expansion pack

Hey Link, did Termina even really exist?

>>8761190
holy shit what a bad take
go push some blocks

>>8761220
“It was all in his head/It was all a dream” is extremely lazy writing and also the absolute worst kind of fan theory.

>>8761263
I just find it more fun than 'timed trading sequence: the game'

>>8761146
and tingle is alternate version of link if he never got a fairy and he grew up normally instead of using the temple of time in OOT

>>8761434
I always thought alt-Link was supposed to be Kafei.

>>8761530
He sort of reminds me of Ravio from ALBW

>>8761530
Kafei is exactly that.
His hair and eye color are the contrast/complementary colors to him, grew in a privileged position rather than being an orphan in a shitty tree house, through as forced to revert back into a child rather than forced to become an adult, chose the cucco lady over the mega milk farm girl. Literally he's mirror Link.

>>8761434
Iirc tingle is more of an in-joke with the developers. He was modeled after one of them.

>>8760754
It is an expansion, and not a full fledged game. Hence why it was called Zelda Gaiden

>>8761530
kafei and tingle each represent him. and they are also the only two characters not in OOT

>>8761190
I never actually thought about it that way.

Yeah, it would have been better. Now I'm even more mad at the game, thanks!

>>8760754
All zelda games have the same characters

>>8761702
Tingle is a cartoony insertion of Koji Kondo, similar to how the Mask Salesman is Miyamoto

>>8761702
>also the only two characters not in OOT
that's not remotely true. Majora's Mask has plenty of NPCs who don't have an OOT counterpart. Both in Clock Town and the four other regions.

>>8761562
Plus he's literally using Link's character model and animations, just reskinned. It's most blatant when you're playing as Kafei in Sakon's hideout.

>>8761710
No shit, but Majora's Mask is a direct sequel so it doesn't make any sense. For example I can understand Marin/Tarin and Malon/Talon since Link's Awakening takes place hundreds of years after OoT. However Malon and Romani make it look like those creepypasta-tier fan theories about Link being dead/transported to some parallel world are true. This inconsistency is pretty weird for a story driven game like Majora's Mask

>>8761530
This
Tingle is (You)

>>8761889
Parallel Universe isn't a theory, it's states clear as day in the US and Japanese manuals as well as Historia. Termina is a parallel universe to Hyrule.

>>8761434
>Link grows up to be the Zelda equivalent of fucking Chris Chan

>>8761889
>creepypasta-tier fan theories
More of Alice in Wonderland to me

>no time or budget to turn expansion pack into full game
>reused characters make no sense now
>I know i-i-i-it's a parralel universe!

Deepest lore

OOT is the Kanto of Zelda and needs to add callbacks from it to every Zelda game like Dampe being in the switch Link's Awakening

>>8761113
>team that made mega drive altered beast 6 weeks
>wonder boy 3 dragons curse done in 6 months
Why do Nintendo drones make a million and one excuses for their shoddy bloat games?

>>8762323
It's almost as if larger games on more powerful systems with an entire extra dimension to play with take longer to make.

>>8762810
More Nintendo cope. Cuphead took 7 years to complete. So that shuts up your entire argument proving a good game can be pumped out quickly while bad games can be released in any time frame.

Majora's Mask is more Ocarina of time than Ocarina of time.

>>8763162
very surprising that a hand drawn game with band performances for each song took that long to make
stay on /v/, consolewar retard

>>8762323
What makes the anon you replied to a 'Nintendo drone'? He didn't even say he liked the game to begin with what the fuck. Are you seriously comparing fucking Altered Beast to a 20 hour 3D adventure game? I understand that /vr/ is all about finding creative ways of shitting on Nintendo but you didn't even try

>>8762323
Altered Beast is shit

>>8763354
>20 hour adventure game
Like I said, bloat.
>>8763357
Cope. Altered Beast has better character designs, pacing, story, action than any Zelda game. If the game went for 20 hours or had anything from MM shoehorned into it it would he awful.

>>8762323
>altered beast
>wonder boy 3
Can't remember the last time we had a thread on those. OTOH we have Zelda threads every fucking day. Probably too often desu but keep seething.

>>8763697
>can't remember we had a thread on those
Which is a real shame this board is full of zoomies and nintendrones unable to discuss anything but the same 12 threads.

>>8763660
I respect Altered Beast fans because I grew up with it and it's rad to see people appreciating Sega classics other than Sonic but what bloat are you talking about? Literally every action-adventure and RPG title is bloated compared to arcade games. Different games have different purposes and satisfy different needs.
...and after typing all of this I remembered that the PS2 game exists and you are most likely reffering to it and not the first one. Damn. I need to try it, looks great

I think it's meant to be a parallel hyrule and the only characters actually from Hyrule are Link, the Skull Kid and MAYBE the Happy Mask Salesman though that one is ambiguous because he is a lot less strange in OoT however he also seems to immediately know who Link is.

The thing I would like to know is what the fuck happened to Navi

Apparently in that Hyrule Encyclopedia thing Termina was created by Majora's mask and is the product of the Skull Kid's imagination, ceasing to exist after the events of the game.

>>8764040
I wonder why they chose Skull Kid of all the NPCs, they could've created an original character for MM. His role was so minor in OoT, he does what? You play music with him and give him the skull mask and that's about it. Hell, I bet most players didn't even encounter him once. He is pretty weird though, definitely doesn't look human or hylian. Maybe he's even immortal since he returns in TP and guides you to the Master Sword. That being said he became a pretty popular character after MM and I'm surprised he didn't return to lead you through the Lost Woods in ALBW and BoTW

Even though it's an asset flip I think the familiar characters add to the game's unnerving atmosphere.

>>8764040

That's not only a lazy cop-out, it's also just copying what they did with the Wind Fish. I hate the split timeline BS too.

>>8763751
Bloat is running around a mostly empty Hyrule field and i've never played Altered Beast on ps2. I didn't even know it existed until many years after.

>>8764040
>>8764171
>>8764365
Encyclopedia is fanfiction written by Nintendo Dream magazine writers and editors in the preface. Unlike Historia which at least had Miyamoto and Aonuma directly involved.

So Encyclopedia isn't worth considering.

>>8762194
high iq post

>>8760754
Because it was an asset flip shat out in a year and a half.

>>8760754
>I rarely see anyone mention this when talking about Majora's Mask
The whole "MM is a OOT romhack" meme is one of the most spouted around.
Majora's Mask only uses some assets from OOT, but even the characters that are reused have differences, they're not 1:1 identical to their OOT versions.
There's a lot of characters that are new, and the whole environments and areas are all 100% new.
Master's Quest is more like a romhack, not Majora.

>>8765490
They used basils face for three character models. Get the fuck outta here.

>>8765821
>didn't play the game
they're brothers
and really the only reason there's three of em is for the romani quest anyway, one would be in the bar but the other two chase you down

>>8765821
wow, THREE characters!? holy shit, forget about all the other dozens completely new ones, they reused the same face THREE times!

>>8765841
Okay? How many new characters?

Kafei
Anjus Mom
Deku Princess
Deku Butler
Deku King
That Music House guy and his daughter
Reception Lady in the Mayors Office
The Mayor
Mayors Wife

Did I forget anyone?

Everyone else is reused.

>>8765840
Its lazy and you know it.

>>8765847
Have a real list

>Models that were modified for Majora's Mask (New textures, higher polycount, colorations, outfit edits, etc.)
>Link, Gorons, Zoras, Bomber Gang Members, The Happy Mask salesman, certain Deku Scrubs models, The Curiosity Shop Guy, Ingo and his brothers, Mr. Barten, The Postman, Anju's Grandmother, Shooting Galley owners, Medi/Biggoron, Lulu, Grog, Mayor Secretary, Tael, Tatl, The Skullkid, Trading Sequence Business Scrbus, Link the Goron, Great Bay Fisherman

>NPCs that were basically wholesale recycled from OoT
>Aveil, Gerudo Pirates, The Carpenters, Sakon, Honey & Darling, Anju, Koume and Kotake, Great Bay Scientist, Mutoh, Viscen, Magic Bean Seller, Jugglers, Kaepora Gaebora, Zelda, Dampe, Banker, Bomb Shop Guy, Creamia, Romani, Observatory Man, Guru-Guru, Spider House men (both), Doggy Race Woman, Poe Master, Trading Post Part-Timer, Scarecrows, Treasure Shop girl, Composer Brothers, Shiro, Clock Town Soldiers, Sword Dojo Master, Great Faries, Frogs, regular Business Scrubs, Epona

>Wholly new NPCs
>The Monkeys, Deku Princess, Deku Butler, Deku King, Darmani, Mikau, Goron Elder, Goron Elder's Son, Toto, Kafei, Anju's Mother, Madame Aroma, Mayor Dotour, Evan, Japas, Tijo, Beaver Brothers, Pamela, The Gibdo Man, Rosa Sisters, Kamaro, Old Lady from the Bomb Shop, Tingle, Keaton, Seahorse, ???, Four Giants, The Turtle, Goron Link, Deku Link, Zora Link, Moon Children, Zubora, Gabora

And that's not going into enemies (or enemies with dialogue like Igos Du Ikana, Keeta or the Garos)

>>8765873
Kek. Pretty shady tactic t to divide the modified models and the recycled npcs. I see I was right, very little new character models.

>>8765873
>>Models that were modified for Majora's Mask
Ah come on

>>8763660
>talking about zelda
>posts a chocobo

>>8761190
The "padding" was the best thing about MM.

>>8763183
Weird take but OK.

>>8765847
Yeah... It's a parallel universe. Who fucking cares?

>>8761661
He's modeled after Koji Kondo.

>>8760754
Majora's Mask is still great despite the recycled assets, who gives a shit.

>>8761190
You are legit brain damaged. OoT is like a beta for MM which is an actual finished game. What content does OoT have? Helping Cuccoo Lady, biggoron quest, uhh uhh big poes.
>wtf this game has content and shit why can't they take it out so the game is more boring like OoT mmm *eats glue*

>>8765841
>this reused content doesn't mean anything because that other content isn't reused

It doesn't work that way anon. You kill someone, you don't get a "get out of jail" free card because you gave birth to 2 people so it largely makes up for it.

>>8766826
reusing assets is not a crime it's smart

>>8766817
>OoT is like a beta for MM which is an actual finished game

>>8760964
>I thought this was common knowledge honestly
It is, op is probably 15 and is playing through the series for the first time
>>8761102
>I thought this was common knowledge honestly
No, 9 out of 10 times it’s people complaining about the time limit.

>>8766850
I just finished it so it's fresh on my mind. I was surprised to find how little there is to do between dungeons.

>>8766908
Like I didn't even have to time travel once until it's mandatory in spirit temple (finished game without lense of truth).

>>8766946
If you constantly had to travel in time then growing up wouldn't have such a huge impact.
>finished game without lense of truth
How is this possible if you are playing for the first time?

>>8766965
idk having to use the game's central mechanic and theme more than once makes more sense to me than a post hoc coming of age thing.
It's not the first time, I played it when it came out and it was my world for a while. It just goes to show how much of the experience of playing a game is a co-creative collaboration between you and the developers, and how much better kids are at imagination.

>>8761530
>>8761562
>>8761702
>>8761906
>Tingle
>Kafei
>Not Fierce Deity Link

>>8767248
No one bothered to unlock him

>>8765896
>shady tactic to label things exactly how they are
Go fuck yourself. Some models were edited when majora's mask was made. That's a simple fact.

I wish /vr/ didn't have so many nonsensical schizo posters.
Retards and aspies with chips in their shoulders going on 30 years now and can barely communicate a point.
Look at posts like >>8763183
Utterly nonsensical.

>>8767354
That anon who compared Altered Beast (yeah, that arcade game that takes 15 minutes to beat) to Majora's Mask is the best

>>8760754
It's effectively an asset swap.

>>8763716
If whatever you like was worth discussing, it'd probably get more traction.

>>8767248
>>8767250
Fierce deity Link has the usual problem with end-game powerups in many adventure/RPG games: you never have the chance to truly enjoy them since they come so late.

>>8767394
>if it's not Mario, Sonic or zeldavits not worth discussing

>>8760754

It might reuse assets but it feels new because the characters were so dead and flat in OOT and then spring to life in MM, so immediately it feels fresh.

>>8767874
This

>>8767248
Fierce diety is not links counter part you fucking lorelet, he's an evil god, or a war god, and that form is just link using his power.

>>8767335
They are the same. Also, go easy on the seethe.

>In response to a question regarding the Mario characters' willingness to play tennis or race karts with each other despite constantly being at odds, Miyamoto stated that he thinks of the cast as more of "a troupe of actors."
The same is true here. It's just another game with the same actors.

>>8760754
>Why are there so many returning characters from Ocarina of Time in this game?
literally to save production time
what did they give them? like a year?

>>8768320
Mm link and all the others are obviously different you blind nigger

>>8768373
>ff7 was pumped out in less than a year
>shoddy Nintendo game is made and everyone acts like the time limit they were given is why

>>8760964
They just didn't have much time before the N64 was old news

>>8768648
FF7 was not made in less than a year.

>>8768187
>Mask of a Deku turns Link into a Deku
>Mask of a Goron turns Link into a Goron
>Mask of a Zora turns Link into a Zora
>Mask of a Fierce Deity turns Link into.... Adult Link?
Terminia Link is the Fierce Deity and he's taking the form of his own peak power.

>>8768678
Ff6 and 7 were both made in 6 months time each.

>>8768887
FF7 started development in 1994

>>8761146
>>8761151
This.

Also the Goron who visits the inn whose room you steal is Darunia's son because he has the same name as you.[/spoiler[

>>8768648
you have no clue wtf youre talking about lmao

>>8768924
>spoiler
No shit, it's him. It's been a while since I played Majora though, was it presented in some subtle way? I don't remember

>>8768774
No, he channels the power of a god into him. Your fan fiction is cringe.

>>8768774
Fierce Deity is just Termina's respective god much like how Hylia is to Hyrule.

>>8761220
multiverse bullshit

>>8767248
deity link is if link got all 3 triforces himself and became god. but hes not evil or good.

i think MM is an allegory for the acceptance of death and overcoming guilt, particularly for those link is leaving behind aka the entire oot cast and that's why they appear with different names etc in the interstitial world of termina (you might even call it...liminal)
that's my schizo lore theory anyway, it's obviously brilliant asset reuse to get a new game out in under a year

Jesus fuck chill out anons. Fierce Deity is an unlockable for basically 100% the game. Those are supposed to look out of place in video games. Like in RE4 you can play as Leon dressed in RPD uniform with the plasma gun that one shots everything. I'm pretty sure that he doesn't even exist canonically. Regular child Link fights Majora

>>8769704
Okay, Nintendo games never have bloat or made incredibly easy to cater to casuals.

>>8764171
Everybody. Stalfos.

>>8764365
>playing Zelda for the story

>>8767360
kek I remember that
>I clicked on a picture of Zelda to enter a thread. Nobody here is discussing Altered Beast and now I am mad. How can this be happening to me?

>>8768887

>>8770778

>>8768912
1993*
Source is a Famitsu editor, who cites the 1993 CG showcase as the reason he rebranded the magazine from Famicom Tsushin to Famitsu, and why it became so heavily pro-Sony and anti-Sega/Nintendo (to the point of promoting developers who jump ship from either of them, like Shozo Kaga's Tear Ring Saga which THEY published)

Super Mario RPG was around then to mend bridges between Nintendo and Squaresoft but it was too little, too late, and the team working on it quit Squaresoft to either join Nintendo/IS or start new companies (Love-De-Lic, Alphadream, Brownie's Brown) because the project was significantly reduced in scope and Square tried to botch its publishing process with a small print run like earlier games (because preorder minimums and expensive carts in the past) causing Nintendo to take over the US version and along the way a bunch of other PAL projects with Squaresoft to be published by Nintendo cancelled (SMRPG, FF6 at the very least) while Squaresoft cancelled on their own planned all post-early 1995 Western releases for SNES software.

>>8761146
Happy mask merchant is miyamoto, you're playing his OC fanfic.

>People still don't get that MM is a parralel universe
Putting it in the manual was clearly not enough, they should have stuck with the original concept art and went extremely weird with the environments.

bump

>>8765847
All 20+ Zora characters
All 20+ Goron characters
He'll there's even 5 or 6 different gerudo
All the different deku characters
More new enemies than re used ones
Put them in the same game??? How?? You are aware of the limited space in an N64 cart right?
Fucking zoomers...

>>8770730
These were edited out. They were there for asset reuse. The reason the triforce is inverted is because they cared more about the light effect than the symbol on the floor.

>>8774025
>asset reuse
>of assets that werent even in OOT
i dont think you know what an asset is

>>8774196
The light in the top right corner is mainly what I'm talking about. People imply there is a deeper meaning to it, but they just wanted the light effect and we're too lazy to remove the triangle images on the ground.