/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://www.nexusmods.com/quake/mods/7
https://www.moddb.com/mods/violent-rumble

AD MORTEM
Beta thread
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125461
Current release
https://mega.nz/file/erwV0IbC#LE6uNgNAXh8CkxNhZpFxY3cxMWrS6_eaO92ZdotUfho

=== NEWS ===

[03-24] Wadazine extras debut
https://wadazine.com/portofolio-extras/

[03-21] Doom 64 Revenant is done
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=68009

[03-18] Huge collection of converted textures for Serious Sam mapping
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10n2GrJ-LrB7Az1aw4fstZUviC8uN5XfD/view?usp=sharing

[03-18] Deus Vult II confirmed still in the works, targetting Doom's 30th anniversary for E1 release
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2469298

[03-13] Quake 2 hi-res pack final release
https://www.moddb.com/mods/turoktirol/addons/oblivion-for-quake-2-hi-res-texture-pack

[03-12] Powerslave patch and editor released
https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/1502729607363051522 (embed)

[03-07] Q3Rally v0.4 released
https://www.q3rally.com/2022/03/02/q3rally-v0-4-is-out/

[03-05] Elementalism Phase 1 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/100102

[03-04] Chocolate Descent gets a beta release
https://github.com/InsanityBringer/ChocolateDescent/releases/tag/v0.1-beta

[03-03] Anon finishes The 10x10 Project
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125783-the-10x10-project-complete-cl9/

[03-03] Underground Dungeon begins Serious Sam TSE mapping jam

[03-03] John Romero releases a new WAD
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727328864489046110/948764939949072394/one-humanity.zip

[03-02] LOLAttack: every monster uses every attack
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=74802#p1214275

[03-01] DBP45: Vrack Botanicals is out now
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2462/vrack-botanicals

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=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://www.nexusmods.com/quake/mods/7
https://www.moddb.com/mods/violent-rumble

AD MORTEM
Beta thread
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125461
Current release
https://mega.nz/file/erwV0IbC#LE6uNgNAXh8CkxNhZpFxY3cxMWrS6_eaO92ZdotUfho

=== NEWS ===

[03-24] Wadazine extras debut
https://wadazine.com/portofolio-extras/

[03-21] Doom 64 Revenant is done
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=68009

[03-18] Huge collection of converted textures for Serious Sam mapping
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10n2GrJ-LrB7Az1aw4fstZUviC8uN5XfD/view?usp=sharing

[03-18] Deus Vult II confirmed still in the works, targetting Doom's 30th anniversary for E1 release
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2469298

[03-13] Quake 2 hi-res pack final release
https://www.moddb.com/mods/turoktirol/addons/oblivion-for-quake-2-hi-res-texture-pack

[03-12] Powerslave patch and editor released
https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/1502729607363051522

[03-07] Q3Rally v0.4 released
https://www.q3rally.com/2022/03/02/q3rally-v0-4-is-out/

[03-05] Elementalism Phase 1 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/100102

[03-04] Chocolate Descent gets a beta release
https://github.com/InsanityBringer/ChocolateDescent/releases/tag/v0.1-beta

[03-03] Anon finishes The 10x10 Project
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125783-the-10x10-project-complete-cl9/

[03-03] Underground Dungeon begins Serious Sam TSE mapping jam

[03-03] John Romero releases a new WAD
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727328864489046110/948764939949072394/one-humanity.zip

[03-02] LOLAttack: every monster uses every attack
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=74802#p1214275

[03-01] DBP45: Vrack Botanicals is out now
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2462/vrack-botanicals

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Stardate 20x6 is good but holy fucking shit did Ribbiks show off how much he improved with 20x7.
Much more difficult than 20x6 yet it plays so much more smoothly.

>>8756783
>zerk chainsaw bit fun
>need maps
>lol rekkr
>recommend zdoom
>trilinear chainsaws secrets
>thinking somehow
>cock commando
>gaynigger community
>doomer honestly gayniggers
>shotgun adventure
good cloud

>>8756783
>space ass color crisis
That sounds like a good wad name.

>>8756798
Don't mind me, just jotting that down for map names I want to use (but never will because I don't make maps enough)

>>8756783
>protons probably
Is it finally going to happen?

>had to look up a guide for babe land because because i got stuck at the shooting gallery

Why is the level design in Quake so good bros?

>>8756783
>uac real

>>8756783
>gaynigger cock commando

>Play Community Chest 4
>Enjoy playing a WAD made before the most cancerous gameplay trends starting worming into every cacowards winner

I've grown quite fond of these infographics. They're kinda like adult swim bumps, some fun little tidbits in between the main event. Anyway, here's an ancient meme.

>>8756870
such as?

>>8756881
>playing doom on a controller
Hardcore

>>8756760
If I pull that off will he die?

>>8756783
>shotgun adventure
>fucked mouse
>gzdoom weapon made games weapons
>guys secret fireman furry
>fight ammo
>add retard
>night dark

>>8756984
It would be extremely painful

>>8757013
4u

>>8756984
There would be a lot of pain...
elementals.

>>8756915
Not that guy but I can think of:
>forced arena combat
>slaughter and slaughter-lite
>1 color maps that only serve as eyecandy so fags that never played the maps circlejerk them to the Cacowards
>maps with damage floors spammed everywhere to make it super obnoxious

>>8756794
I only played the first map of 20x7 and it's so hideous with such sloppy monster and architecture placements that for a long time I legitimately thought 20x7 was made way before 20x6, like in the spoons.wad era

>>8757283
Imagine being so gay you hate Sunlust

He was such a dreamboat

Nobody else gives me feedback, do you guys think it's a good way to make Korax's face into a switch (This being glowing switched-on version)?

>>8757283
Is ribbiks monocolor even that common? I know it's been a thing since his stuff caught on but I don't know if it's THAT common

>>8757418
shit like SaturnX and other wads that do the same brown in brown metal crap are also part of that.

>>8756760
Are there torrents instead of MEGA links? Miss me with that centralized shit.

>>8757283
Oh for fucks sake, do you have to complain about this in every thread. Each cacowards has always picks from different styles, even the ones that worship oldschool gameplay. Last year had Doom 2 in Spain Only, Arrival and Cydonia. Year before that Three is a Crowd, Syringe and Rowdy Rudy 2.

>>8757425
Usually guys here complain that btsx is too colorful with all purples, blues, reds and greens.

Also
>btsx
>slaughter
Lol

>>8757432
>IWADs and more (>6 GB): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8

>>8756928
He's holding it vertically too

thanks to whoever mentioned final doomer last thread, nothing spices up wads like a cool new batch of guns purpose made for them, not even the guy who asked for aalien replacements, I've been trying it with TNT and hellbound
although it'd be nice if there was a reskin only option when a wad plays nice vanilla already

>>8757283
>>8757425
I can recall like, two slaughternaps in total for Buttsex, secret ones at that. Also Buttsex is more colorful than most megawads.

>>8757480
Thanks Anon, will seed.

>>8757535
I didn’t get too much of a slaughtery impression from the secret maps, maybe the second one? Map19, Bingo Pool Hall of Blood is certainly much closer but it’s still lacking the obscenity you’d see with slaughtery monster counts.
I also will admit I might have a skewed frame of reference of what classifies as a “slaughter” but I felt BTSX1 was nowhere near as crazy as say Alien Vendetta’s middle maps.

how do I change huds in blood?

What is the worst monster replacer wad you have used? and if possible list the reason why

>>8757380
Looks nice

>>8757683
XEnemies, mainly because mooks there insta-snap to your direction and begin showering you with lead non-stop the frame you enter their field of vision.

>>8757683
Samsara Remixer and Aeons of Death. More does not mean better.

>>8757683
The enemies of Complex Doom Clusterfuck. Dogshit balance all around, no sane individual likes dealing with monsters that wield BFGs and room clearing nukes. ESPECIALLY when the server is set to survival with one life only and everyone dies except for one guy. Then everyone has to spectate and watch this one peckerhead go through a map for 30+ minutes, constantly having to use doorfighting and peeking around corners to kill shit in the lamest, most tedious way possible even though he has absurdly overpowered weapons himself.

How the FUCK does anyone enjoy this? There's a big community for that particular freak mutation of Complex Doom, I want to know what fucking hole these people have crawled out of so we can seal it up and ensure mods like this don't get made again.

>>8757752
i quite enjoyed playing through longer megawads with CF, slowly going from savescumming and peaking corners to grinding up crowds. then again, i play alone.

>>8757757
There are so, so many better options if you want to play a slower, more methodical way anon. It's done in a really shitty way in ClusterFuck, you're given normal Doom mobility and these powerful guns but it means nothing with how fucking fast and lopsided some of those monsters are.

>>8757762
true, true. though for me it was also about the sheer amount of progression it has, lasting through 30+ maps and then some, but i suppose it`s more of a result of it just being a massive messy pile of content. there`s a bloke on YT that tries to rework CF to make it less of a mess, but there`s been no updates for months, so that`s still away.

ah shit, speaking of clusterfuck, i need help anons.
there`s a megawad i played through with it years ago, but completely forgotten the name of it now. if any of you recognize the scene from picrel and can give me the name, i`ll, idk, tip my imaginary fedora in your general direction or something.

>>8757798
d2reload.wad map01?

>>8757380
good way, care to post it here? Im an asset hoarder, never know which future dream map of mine might use it

I like MtPains videos but hearing him wax poetic about how the combination of color textures and a somber midi made him cum 4 times while playing a map makes me think man some people like this game a lot more than I do

>love the brush based mapping of Half Life
>love the simplicity of the level design of Doom
So I guess Quake is my only option?

>>8756783
>based base wads

>>8757843
Yeah, the videos are good but fuck does he get melodramatic

>>8755837
FUCK YOU /vr/!
If you're dumb enough to play on Zandronum this weekend, you're a big enough shmuck to come on down to Sunday Night Shitshow!
Bad WADs!
Servers that always crash!
Trolls!
If you think you're gonna have a good time on SNS, you can kiss my ass!
It's our belief that you're such a stupid motherfucker you'll play on this bullshit, guaranteed!
If you find a fun server, shove it up your ugly ass!
You heard us right, shove it up your ugly ass!
Bring your friends, bring your skins, bring your wife! We'll fuck her!
That's right, we'll fuck your wife!
Because on Sunday Night Shitshow, you're fucked six ways on a Sunday!
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Don't wait, don't delay, don't fuck with us, or we'll rip your nuts off!
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Hurry up, asshole!
This event ends the minute after we make the announcement and you better not bounce or you're a dead motherfucker!
Go to hell!
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>>8757824
just noclipped through a bunch of maps from it, and it doesn`t look like it, even in middle ones set in a city. still, thank you.

>>8757840
Here you go. Crop them yourself.
They are already paletted for doom.

What's that shooter where the guy reloads a double barrel shotgun by just picking up an entire handful of shells and slamming them into the shotgun?

>>8757920
Holy shit I haven't seen that gif in ages.
And I am pretty sure it's just some Doom weapon mod you're talking about.

>>8757920
Postal 2 when using the Beta Shotgun.

>>8757930
Oh right, that was it yeah, thanks. Was misremembering the double barrel bit.

>>8757798
both pics of the same place, right?
because the sketch makes me think of the serpentine in Misri Halek and I'm pretty sure that's not in Seattle.

>>8757957
yeah, i`m pretty sure. original sketch i made a couple of years ago looks like this, i just left out the lower part since i found the screenshot. and i also thought it was AV at some point, but i played through it a couple of times later on and didn`t encounter any similar scenery.

>>8757752
I'd say it's a similar situation to those 100% Difficulty Anti-Rush Sven Co-op servers.
You get 24 people into a server who have all played the mapsets countless times. Everyone's going to speedrun to the exit while easily killing or avoiding everything because they already know what's there. So in order to make it less predictable and easy, you continually ramp up the encounters and punishments for failure until you have something that hardly resembles what it's based on.
Personally, I preferred MoP for my z& slaughter shitfest, but I haven't seen anyone play it in years.

Serious Sam 3 fucking sucks

Even with the Fusion updates where they fixed the reloadable games and added secrets and adjusted enemies and stuff it's just boring, I can't fucking stand this game so far

I actually kind of want to just finish it and never play it again if I even bother to finish it

>>8758261
reloadable guns*

They also increased sprinting speed and did other stuff that improves the experience but it's just boring

>>8758261
>>8758271
doom thread, jeremy

>>8758274
I posted about Serious Sam in the thread twice yesterday and got replies both times lmao

>>8758278
lol (you)s are (you)s i guess

>>8758274
It's also the retro FPS thread.
Sam 3 isn't retro though.

>>8758261
Try to reach The Silent Riddler or Unearthing the Sun, it's when the game starts getting actually good. Although I personally didn't mind the city levels that much, but it's still a visible quality difference.

>>8758261
I did not like Sam 3 when it was first out, I actually didn’t like any of the Sam games back then. A few years ago I got into 3 through Fusion, it clicked so well with me I rushed into TFE and TSE on Serious and had a blast.
What I can’t get back into from that time has so far been Quake 4. It’s ugly, slow, and started to adopt some of those gross mid 2000s shooter tropes.

>>8758303
I just did, let's see how this goes, shame that like a quarter of the game is just kinda "eh" though
>>8758325
Yeah Quake 4 looks eh, I've tried going back to 2000s shooters, mainly Castle Wolfenstein, Call of Duty, and Medal of Honor (I have a thing for WWII shooters) and the campaigns really don't hold up, without the cutscenes these games can't really stand on their own two feet and I much more enjoy going back and watching these games on youtube, either all the cutscenes in a single vid or just longplays, than actually going back and playing them

>>8758346
What a shame. You've developed zoombrain. RTCW is still one of the greatest SP FPS of all time and MoH:AA will forever be one of the best WWII shooters of all time. And the original CoDs are still the best of their series, especially UO.

>>8758346
Can’t agree with you about RTCW, I like some of its level design. Quake 4 has been a linear bore with a good handful of invisible walls that don’t go down until the NPCs have finished their dialog.

>>8758346
>and I much more enjoy going back and watching these games on youtube, either all the cutscenes in a single vid or just longplays, than actually going back and playing them
Dude...

>>8758346
This is bait isn't it?

>>8758261
>playing anything after The Second Encounter
HOLY KEK

>>8758432
f-four is fun

>>8758365
I'll have to try CoD2, I was playing 1 and it just feels boring to me
>>8758387
>>8758412
I'm saying they're easy enough that they feel like a slog, so no it's not bait lol
>>8758432
I kind of agree with this, 4 looks a lot like what I don't like about 3 but I'll have to try it

>>8758457
>4 looks a lot like what I don't like about 3 but I'll have to try it
If you can run it then do give it a try, it's paced so much better than 3 could ever dream of. The game actually starts the moment you spawn in the first level, unlike 3 which takes a few levels.
If you like 4 then you'll love Siberian Mayhem.

>>8757920
"Not Enough Super Shotguns" I think.

>>8756813
There's a chance.

>>8756928
my first exposure to doom was playing with a gamepad
playing freedoom
in skulltag

>>8757752
why the fuck are the most popular servers for modes where you spend most of your time being dead and spectating somebody else
ghouls vs humans was fun for the five seconds you had before somebody killed you

>>8758686
as much as i loved the D64 dominabitch archvile concept, this looks good.

What would be more obnoxious: Arch-vile that can only be damaged when he revives monsters, or the one that can only be damaged when he's winding up the attack?

I feel like quitting mapping after seeing the Lost Civilization wad video. I will never be able to match the mapping autism required to create something like that.

>>8758686
Very cool. Like the pain elementals and arachnotrons, how should he and the revenant be buffed for 64?

>>8758718
Map smaller maps. Nothing wrong with that.

can anyone recommend me a good weapons mod with loud and beefy guns and sounds that do alot of damage but as little bloat as possible?
idea would be just one replacement for each default Doom weapon
thanks.

>>8758717
The one that makes him invulnerable when there’s no corpses for him to revive.

Does anyone know if it's okay to leave MBF21 complevel on for regular basis, how reverse compatible it is? I'm not interested in demo recordings, but I'd like to know if there's any possibility of game breaking stuff appearing with any of the WADs I'd decide to play. From little that I know, there's different RNG table since Boom which doesn't really affect anything important.

>>8758749
It's possible someone would type in invalid numbers in their sector or line types and properties that suddenly would become valid in MBF21.
I saw a discussion on Doomworld how a bit for some kind of impassability turned up on a line in an old wad, making it unplayable.

>>8758749
Pain Elementals will spawn infinite Lost Souls.

>>8758724
Vile doesn't really need buffs, maybe a version of his attack with a faster windup used at melee range. Revenant can fire two rockets, with the chance for homing rolled individually instead of based on frame timing.

>>8758717
HDest Archviles only take damage when they get painstated

>>8757918
Thank you anon! Very kind of you

>>8758513
The answer is to make your own popular server. Just join the one you want to or make one and join it and even if one other person joins it, now it's got 2 people and will start showing up at the top of the list and others will pile in. I've done it many times with all sorts of modes.

>>8758730
DAKKA, Final Doomer, Combined_Arms maybe

>>8758730
Eweps

>>8758710
Yeah, shame about the concept being lost, but maybe someday. The one from >>8758686 is amazing too

>>8758758
Thanks. I'd guess probability of this is not bigger than on ZDoom, but it's something to consider.

>>8758759
Oh yeah, I forgot about this one. It comes as a habit purging these obnoxious meatballs the moment they appear in sight, so I guess this one won't incur that much frequent problems..?

>>8758749
There is this one too, but it's possible to retain this bug in MBF
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Ghost_monster

>>8757934
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXHbf2MOFZs
?

>>8758824

>>8758724
Brings back two monsters at a time and has a secondary blue flame attack that ignores armor.
Rev is simple enough; it can shoot two rockets with both of them having a chance to seek or not.

>>8758724
I'd rework them, if anything. Make the revenant act like its PSX version, and make the archvile slower, with reduced pain chance or more health to compensate.

>>8757920
>>8758473
pretty sure Combined Arms' shotgun has an altfire that shoves a bunch of shells into it

>>8758770
>>8758890
No new archvile changes would be a very big disappointment, but I guess the harder part would be getting any sort of "agreement" on what they should be. I'm fine with multiple revenant rockets, and I'd be fine with the archvile having a chance to just spawn more bad guys even though Babel already does both, they're good ideas though.

>>8758824
Never seen this but that was my re-imagining of what I thought I remembered.

>>8758931
I took that from the Beta shotgun from Postal 2/Eternal Damnation.

>>8758945
nice

>>8758686
>D64-style archive
one step closer to 64 Units of /vr/, I guess

>>8758965
>Units
bits

>>8758965
We've got a replacement for the archie and boner, and there's a decent chaingunner edit floating around somewhere. All we'd need now is a Mastermind. Brutal 64 had one but I remember it looking weird.

>>8756813
>>8758491
Hopefully the textures and props should be ready by Friday. Hopefully.

>>8759030
You're not fooling me.

>>8759041

>>8759041
>Friday comes
>Chop reveals there was never any work on 94 protons
>Project never starts
>Doomkart 2
>Time wasted

>>8758724
metadoom makes its eternal archive use a flame attack when the player is out of its sight/taking cover
it's not locked on, but it can multiply as the player moves and it keeps exploding for a bit
in eternal, the archvile has that sort of attack in the form of a "fire lake" that can appear even when you're not seen
basically, a fire attack that sort of complements the main fire attack like an opposite

>>8759107
That sounds cool as shit, but I can't trust monster randomizers to place them effectively, even sophisticated ones like the one in metadoom.

>>8759068
>Doomkart 2
YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHH

the way it was meant to be played

>>8759182
ah... soul

Is there anything else that takes advantage of the Eternity Engine yet or should I just delete it once I'm done with Heartland?

>>8758749
You won't be able to collect the BFG on that sunlust level that spits it out. Organize your wads by compatibility so stuff like this isn't a problem, rare as it is

>playing map pack
>be on map 20 of 32 or so
>something doesn't work because it requires vanilla doom enemies
>modded enemies break the interaction
>kill the run
Fuck me

>>8759416
uhh just noclip past it?

Anyone remember if Unloved has any Blurspheres? I wanna do a run with Ashes weapons, so I'm trying to figure out if I need to make a randomspawner so something else can drop modkits.

>>8759516
No blurspheres according to the things tables on the map's pages on the doom wiki.

Nine Inch Nails would be bearable if the motherfucker stopped trying to sing / write lyrics

>>8758497
Mine was on the Xbox version of Doom 3. My dad got that collector's edition with the cool steelbook, had Ult Doom and Doom 2 on it. Thanks, dad.

>>8759543
Fug. I'm gonna have to fuck with the wad itself and make some monsters drop them with different % chances, then.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2473707

TNT2 came out

>>8759803
It's happening. >>8756768

>>8759803
Holy Shit!

>>8759803
>There's still no Map 26

>>8759803
>TNT2
wait then what's revilution?

>>8759803
>Barring one map everything else is complete.
I wonder whose, heh

What is it about TNT that makes so many people try to make sequels/successors to it

>>8759825
Unrealized ambition

>>8759825
That truck in map 19

>>8759815
Revilution was a separate project that was formed by ex-TNT2 people over disagreements in the direction. Revilution just happened to finish earlier.

>>8759856
On top of that, Convilution (Now TNT Forever) is also set to release after TNT2, which contains even more scrapped maps from TNT2.
Yep.

>>8759858
At this point we're gonna need a TNT tier list

>>8759825
TNT was an early example of an adventure themed megawad.

>>8759862
TNT Evilution immediately goes into D tier.

>>8759862
Seems more appropriate for Plutonia. There's Plutonia, 2, revisited, revisited 2, urania, soon to be blutonia and never to be 94 protons, and probably more I'm forgetting.

>>8759858
>>8759874
But when's the Icarus: Alien Vanguard community project?

>>8759870
Eh, I'd put it in C, myself. There are some good maps in there, and most of its problems can be boiled down to "it was made in 1995". Only MAP08 AND 22 are actually bad even for its time, IMO.

>>8759874
I've still never played any of the other Plutonias.

>>8759891
Plutonia 2's dope as hell, but if you're expecting it to be like the first, then you might be disappointed.

>>8759856
I think it was more formed by the content that got scrapped from TNT2 (most of which then also got scrapped from Revilution)

hey chopblock i made an epic and cool titlepic for 94 neutrons of doom (so cool) pls no bulli

>>8759803
Someone redpill me on Map 26.

>>8759939
>Marcaek has MAP26 claimed
>It's his only map in the project
>Project lead decides to let him have his slot since it's his only map in the project
>This ends up delaying the project for fucking years
MAP26 not existing has become a meme in completely unrelated places and I absolutely love it.

>>8759893
There were definitely disagreements over the direction of TNT2, IIRC. Part of why Revilution was formed was because of some people wanting it to be full of drake o'brien worship, where as TNT2's leader at the time felt that was only a very small part of TNT, and that TNT had a lot more shorter levels than people want to admit.
Of course, the finished version of Revilution doesnt quite resemble what Revilution was originally formed for, though, as I do remember Kyka went MIA for many years and was finished without him (Its only recent that hes active again).

>>8759803
Let's gooooooo

>>8759943
can't you just like kick them out as a lead? if it's delaying the project years singlehandedly just yeet the fucker

>>8759976
They're frens, anon. You can't just cold shoulder your dearest ones like that but with that said I would have put my foot down at some point

>>8759943
>>8759976
Isnt Marcaek a project lead?

>>8759985
Marcaek is the project leader for TNT2

>>8759967
It was less a disagreement and more Whoo threw out 90% of the completed work for TNT2 and restarted the project.

>>8759998
The same thing happened with Plutonia 2 when Gusta stepped in. Funny how history repeats itself. I wonder if TNT3 is gonna be made by a 10 year old russian kid just like with Plutonia 3.

>>8759998
>It was less a disagreement
No, there was definitely disagreement. I've read the threads.

Yep, that's me. Stressed out of my mind with too much ammo on my hands.

>>8760007
>too much ammo on my hands
The first step is admitting you have a problem.

>>8760007
At least you're not carrying an excessive amount of 7mil.
...Right?

>>8760005
I have. I was there. Most of the drama was about precisely that it wasn't discussed. Whoo went on hiatus, let Kyka makes most of the project. Project was about to be completed and just needed map 26 of all things. Whoo came back, got feedback, restarted the project without any discussion with Kyka or any of the playtesters who had been giving feedback on that stuff until he made the post throwing out all of his work.

Prior to that the biggest drama was Kyka making some maps more brown.

>>8760024
>>8760026
So what's the best course of action to take when you get set on fire? How do I stop drop and roll efficiently?

>>8760029
So did
>DON'T MAKE MAPS EXCESSIVELY LONG. This is a general problem that the current overhaul is trying to correct.
Come from literally thin air?

>>8760035
Crouch and swing your view left and right, you don't have to sweep too far back and forth. It's the closest thing to stop drop and roll we have in HD.

>>8760035
Bind a "Turn 180" key, crouch and hit it rythmically. I prefer to crouch and shake the mouse back and forth for the visceral feeling, but it's not the most efficient way to extinguish, I've been told.

>>8760037
In terms of internal project discussion? Yes. There wasn't an ongoing issue that was trying to be corrected and debated. It was a last minute scrapping with no communication with the guy who made the majority of the stuff being scrapped.

>>8760052
So why imply disagreement with a statement like that, if there was none to begin with? That straight up sounds like intentional fanning the flames for drama.

>>8760041
>>8760042
Thanks. Time to increase my chances of not dying.

>>8760035
>>8760060
I should add that if you get set completely ablaze by a huge volley from one of the larger imps, strip your armor when you try to extinguish. Assuming you're wearing green armor, it will absorb some of the flames and burn separately from you.

>>8760065
>>8760042
>>8760041
nigger what the fuck, I ain't even got a y-axis on my camera and you people are playing with immersive stop drop and roll mechanics?

>>8760068
Hideous Destructor, anon.

>>8756829
Same. Pretty weak level overall, probably the worst in all of Duke 3D.

>>8760071
I assumed that's what HD stood for and not H-Doom
I just didn't realize how nuts it's gotten

>>8760090
The fire mechanics and putting yourself out has been a thing for a few years.

>>8760092
I've only ever gotten bits of second hand info from posts around here, since complex tacticool doom isn't my thing
I'm mostly just impressed though

>>8760035
>>8760041
>>8760042
One of these days I'm going to try HD. But not today.

Anyone done a Doom version of the Will Smith slap meme yet?

>>8760184
Do it one of those days

>>8757283
>forced arena combat
>slaughter and slaughter-lite
These were already common things before CC4 even began development. I'd even argue Slaughter crept into 2000's era blockbuster megawads a lot more egregiously than 2010's era.
>1 color maps that only serve as eyecandy so fags that never played the maps circlejerk them to the Cacowards
Ribbiks is the only mapper I can think of who consistently does single color theming, and his maps very much aren't only for eyecandy purposes, either.
>maps with damage floors spammed everywhere to make it super obnoxious
Romero literally did this in Thy Flesh Consumed.

>>8759881
I'm still waiting on Eternal Doom 2: Eternal Harder.

Also there is Icar2015.

>>8760350
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Eternal_Doom_IV:_Return_from_Oblivion
Does this count?

>>8760350
>Icar2015
a based mapset

>>8760350
As other anon said, there literally is a sequel. But you could also check out Lost in Civilization.

So you have all these sequels for TNT, are there any projects to just give TNT itself an improvement pass? De-jank things where they need de-janking, unfuck some shittier maps, bring it up to modern standards so the positives it has can shine clearer

>>8759803
Huh, was low key hoping 94 Protons would beat it. Shame I'm too busy with the assets to play.

>>8759813
Nevermind, we'll still beat it after all.

>>8759825
Maybe you like how it plays, maybe you don't, but TNT undeniably has a really cool aesthetic, and some really cool music, making for a fantastic atmosphere.

>>8759874
Cydonia, which is probably the closest one to Plutonia.
Ozonia, kind of.

>>8759874
Plutonia 3 releases later this year.

>>8760628
Cydonia is basically Plutonia The Way Casalis Did. Very good wad. Ozonia does have Plutonia influence, but it also takes lot from Valiant and Eviternity. It's more like it's own thing with those dehacked monsters and all. Too big to be simply Plutonia. Also very good.

>>8760003
Plutonia 3 is being developed by mix of Plutonia 2 team members and Plutonia Revisited mappers, that reached their legendary mapper status last decade such as Scotty, Darkwave0000 and Xaser. The Plutonia 3 which you talk about is a shitwad, that used the name without permission and thus is now removed from idgames. Just like Doom 3 or Episode 5 from 90s. Just shitwads, and not part of official mapping canon.

>>8760291
IDK why it's got the shotgun equipped.

>>8758718
>I will never be able to match the mapping autism required to create something like that.
most people couldn't, i wouldn't think too hard about it man

>>8758718
Jaska is a gaming genius, even AAA developers can't match his skill. See the apartment building fight in Lost Civ 2, the one where you drop in and can't run away. That was the most fun I've had with an FPS in years.

>>8759235
that ideous GRNROCK flat..

i was planning to replace it with a black square, so that when playing crispy/dsda in widescreen i'd never have to see it again

is it used that often in any maps? i don't want to find myself in the middle of a black void when playing a wad, just because I've replaced an iwad resource

(yes I'm aware of the existence of widescreen statusbars)

>>8758718
I feel like I want to be as good as him in mapping but at the same time I don't even like Doom that much to spend all that time on creating elaborate maps.

>>8760751
What he's making now is pretty far from vanilla doom, in a good way IMO.

>>8759813
>IDCLEV26
>this show up
eh

>>8759967
>Part of why Revilution was formed was because of some people wanting it to be full of drake o'brien worship
I love his maps, but 32 levels of that is going to be an extremely fucking hard sell to most people.

>>8760090
Anon, vertical mouselook has been a thing in ZDoom ports since the 1990s, and many, many mods have incorporated it into gameplay one way or another.

>>8759874
Do not forget Plutonia 7.
the best plutonia.

>>8760150
Well, check this out.

>>8760951
How are you moving so fast? Should I stop picking up every single thing I find in HD?

>>8760974
It's a matter of choice, carrying lots of shit slows you down, but at the same time, there's a lot of really useful shit, many would say to balance for what you need. Mind that Hideous Destructor lets you adjust the value for Encumberance, including turning it off entirely.

>>8760974
That's not me, so probably? I remember moving fast (and destroying my stamina) by bunny-hopping around, but that was long ago and probably doesn't work due to moon gravity.

>>8760974
>Should I stop picking up every single thing I find in HD?
If you’re slow because you’re hoarding lots of stuff you don’t use then maybe, though that’s more of a general standard for many games. If you’re slow because of the heat you’re packing then it’s more of a choice like >>8760983 says, and being a murder turtle with a vulcanette and launcher can be fun.

Hideous Destructor would be better if guns gave you hearing loss unless you were wearing earplugs, but earplugs make enemies harder to hear.

I beat Serious Sam 3 and now I'm playing Serious Sam 2 (which is retro fyi)

Serious Sam 2 is weird, it's a beautiful game, and the cartoony look is much more in line with SS1 than 3 and 4's visuals, which I think are too gritty and boring, and the humor doesn't bother me, neither does Netty talking to you while you're playing, but the game is very much a product of its time, series of scripted events and turret/vehicle sections, out of place physics puzzles, but it's not bad, it just seems like both 2 and 3 have problems that don't make them terrible but just very different and unevenly paced (they both have pacing problems in their own way) and your enjoyment of both of them has to do with what you specifically do and don't mind about the games

The designs of the weapons in 2 are great though, gatling gun shotgun is hilarious

>>8761062
earpro my man
but that would be a funny mechanic to try out

>>8761091
I don't know if suppressed weapons already exist, but that would be a good mechanic to introduce alongside them if not.

>>8760823
People who argue that vertical mouselook is somehow disrespecting playing the game the intended way, are almost always playing without shit like infinite vertical height on monsters.

>>8760974
Keep your bulk below 1200. You can do action hero shit just fine anywhere below that, you just have to use jumping more than sprinting and maybe slam stims for more comfort at the upper limit. That's a fairly dated webm though, movement physics were different then. That specific trick isn't particularly usable now since the ZM cooks off at 2100 RPM.

>>8761094
I dislike freelook and use infinite-height monsters. What of it?

>>8761095
One more thing. How does the backpack work regarding encumbrance? Does it make things "weigh" less that are inside it or does it only give you more carry space?

>>8761106
It compresses the bulk of stored items to 70%, so a full backpack containing 1000 bulk will only weigh 700.

>>8761115
Okay that makes sense, thanks.

I'm surprised there isn't any Tom Clancy, Deus Ex, or System Shock posting in these threads with so many of you liking Hideous Destructor. Is it just the novelty of it being a Doom mod or does it really stand that far out from those sorts of games?

t. brainlet who couldn't into HD

>>8761127
It's way more in depth than Tom Clancy or Deus Ex, but System Shock 1 approaches its clunkiness, but the reason why we talk about HD is twofold

One, Doom is really popular here, two, HD lets us mod it and play it with any Doom WAD we want, which is a big thing

>>8761127
What's there to be said of Deus Ex that hasn't been said already?

>>8761127
HD scratches an itch I never realized I had: It's so fucking cool using conventional tactics against hellspawn and demons. It's also why a lot of maps "made" for HD suck a fat one: They focus primarily on hitscanners and don't bother with the demons for some dumbass reason.

>>8761168
Booby trap.

>>8761185

>>8756768
new stuff, TERRA https://twitter.com/Quake/status/1508835203678150665

>>8761062
Electronic earpro is a real thing, it enhances sound overall to let you better hear your surroundings, while shielding you from loud noise which could damage your hearing (you hear the gunshot, but it doesn't hurt your ears).
Those can run on regular consumer batteries today, and I imagine that the marine helmets could easily fit something like it with a long lasting power cell inside.

>>8761071
>your enjoyment of both of them has to do with what you specifically do and don't mind about the games
Very true. Every single Sam game after TFE & TSE is seriously botched in one aspect or another. In my personal rating I place BFE third because I value good gameplay, and with Fusion fixes SS3 gives the best experience after classics IMO. Visually it's ass but hey, unlike asset flip that is 4, BFE at least has it's own style.
2 looks incredible but something's wrong with combat in it. I can't pinpoint what exactly. Don't feel the same excitement of strategic monster popping like classics, more like Painkiller'esque mindless shooting. Maybe it has something to do with enemy roster & how perfect it was in TFE/TSE? Dunno.

>>8761209
>czg again
I guess we're gonna see most of his stuff eventually, since he's in dev team. Rubicon 2 when?

>>8761093
The 9mm SMG has an integrated suppressor so that it's not very audible, enemies at long distances won't hear it at all. The 9mm pistol itself isn't suppressed, but it's not as loud as the rifles or shotguns.
9mm isn't a powerhouse, but because it uses heavier projectiles than 4mm, it defeats energy shields better.

>>8760751
Just try creating something you'd yourself like to play. Even something simplistic is going to be appreciated by at least someone.

>>8761216
SS1 as far as I can tell is really only as good as it is because of the extended development time and long playtesting period, I think Serious Sam is just one of those things where the gameplay is so simple and straightforward that the only way to make it standout is by making the experience extremely well playtested and replayable, Classicvania is another example, without the great music, visuals and level design you'd have really standard platformers

BFE Fusion is solid once you get past the city levels, but what's weird is that yeah, SS4 somehow looks worse, it's like every game the developers say "hey what's the most visually boring locales we could use?" and get better and better at it, SS3 at least has a style that's halfway between TFE and Call of Duty 4, and I like the monster design in SS4, but the environments look ass

Serious Sam 2 is weird, it feels more like a shooter of the time than a Serious Sam game, I like that they wanted to try new things, and they didn't want to just repeat what they did in the first game, but it so far just feels like a series of scripted stuff with dumb cutscenes in the middle, I think that Croteam didn't realize that people didn't like Serious Sam 2 because of the fact that it essentially has a non-story and it's a slog, not because of the cartoonish artstyle, people like Serious Sam 1 Xbox and Next Encounter, so I wish they didn't throw out the baby with the bathwater and get rid of the colorful style entirely, even if they didn't make things cartoony again I wish they'd make them colorful

>>8761240
I want to add to this, I just started playing Serious Sam HD

I think this is genuinely the most pointless, worst entry in the entire series, I think people give it a pass since now they mostly just get it as part of a Serious Sam pack and treat it as just another way to play SS1, but it's a terrible way to play SS1

Just like SS3, they drained the game of most of the color, the new lighting and shadow systems make it really hard to see anything that isn't brightly lit, making kleers almost impossible to see in darkness, they fucked with the secrets and rextextured them so secrets that were originally just abstract and hard to find, like a bouncepad that was just in the corner of a level and not textured differently, or the hidden valley in sand canyon, where you have to jump up rock textures on the side of a sand mountain to find a secret path, are now textured distinctly to make them stand out in the scene, the bouncepad is now clearly not a part of the floor with a different texture, and the walkable path on the sand dune is now marked with sand textures, as well as the player literally being able to walk up to the path entirely and not even have to jump up it, making it extremely obvious where the secret is

This whole series is a mess, every single release after SS1 is plagued with problems and it seems like Siberian Mayhem is treated as a return to form, and it's not even made by Croteam

Is The Next Encounter any good or is it a Sonic CD thing where it gets a buff from being more obscure

>>8761250
the jump for that hidden valley secret in sand canyon is bullshit and you know it

>>8761127
>or does it really stand that far out from those sorts of games?
I’d align more with this. It takes what already makes Doom standout from the others and plugs it with more “tactical” and detailed gameplay.
To me, the enemy changes in the mod are just as important as the player side of things.
>>8761237
>build engine’d
Ouch.

>>8761259
ALL OF THE SECRETS ARE BULLSHIT, THAT'S THE POINT

Tell me that secret in the first level where you just run off into the distance towards a random palm tree in the distance, or the rocket launchers, or cutting down trees in TSE, they're all bullshit that involves the player basically accepting that the game has no real rules and there's no such thing as "out of bounds" in these games

>>8761168
>that hasn't been said already?
The multiplayer is criminally underrated.

>>8761267
There are plenty of secrets that aren't boundary breaking like the double barrel hidden behind the wall in the first level or the various 200 health pickups that are behind corners in close proximity.

>>8757798
Maybe this one?

>>8761261
I think the enemy roster is probably the most important part of any gameplay mod. A common sentiment for a long time was that gameplay mods need maps designed around them to work well, but I think it's more that they just need a new enemy roster that's been given as much attention as the weapons. Giving the player new tools but making them fight the same stock Doom 2 enemies is rarely an interesting experience.

>>8761254
>is it a Sonic CD thing where it gets a buff from being more obscure
Funny, this is exactly what I thought while trying out NE recently. I have a hard time ranking it among other Sams. Like 2 it's mostly a mindless arcade where target prioritization doesn't matter much, BUT there's a saving grace - combo system. It's like Painkiller's demon mode but done right, forcing you to be as active in battle as possible.
It looks good. Not gorgeous like 2, but a nice continuation of historical eras theme from classics.
So here's that. It's better than 2 because it's kinda fun, but it still doesn't play like a Sam game.

>>8761254
It has alternate ammo for almost every weapon, including laughing gas for the flamethrower.
Fun fact: all the enemies in the game having a laughing animation, even if those enemies spawned in levels where it would have been impossible to get laughing gas (without cheats).

>>8761237
Damn, those alien bastards a-

>>8761291
I agree with all of this. For affirmation, we need only take a quick peak at the horde of current and upcoming content still using most if not all of the original enemy roster.

>>8761273
Oh of course, I'm kidding it's not all the secrets but I do really like the boundary break secrets, SS2 and 3 both have some wonky ones and I think it's basically considered to be a part of the series at this point

>>8761317
I thought you were railing on them for being boundary breaks, lol. Croteam definitely likes their almost out of reach secrets.

>>8761182
I always wanted to see a spinoff/mod for battlefield or even more autistically squad or arma that pitted modern military types against a huge open map being invaded by hellspawn of various types
So I can definitely empathize

>>8761462
Well, there is Stalker.

>>8761268
There's a coop mod, but the creator refused to add server savegames because his idea of fun is doing it in a single playthrough, and he didn't want to ruin that artistic vision or some such. So his compromise was that if you pick up partway through the game the server just distributes nanites or whatever amd randomly picks whatever player choices may have been made.
It's a neat mod, but it's shit that it doesn't allow player choice variable to be saved anyway.

>>8761462
>>8761182
Responses like this make me think people would actually be cool with the original version of Doom 4 if it got relegated to a spinoff and not the future of the franchise

>>8761604
The theme for it was fine, it would just be another “by the numbers” linear shooter designed around limited gamepad controls that would pale terribly in comparison to what you can get out of HD. People might be happy enough with the graphics and production value, though.

>>8761604
Spinoff or not, it would've still been Call of Doom in the same style as the military console shooters of the era. What makes HD great is the amount of depth put into everything, and how much a player can do at any given moment.

>>8761541
I think he meant the vanilla deathmatch. I have some vague memory of sniping around at area 51 or something.

>>8760751
>I don't even like Doom that much
Other games have mapping tools, you know.

>>8761649
Yeah, I was just adding that there's also a coop mod.
I've never played the deathmatch.

>>8761652
Gotta finally learn how to use Serious Editor

>>8761742
yesssss perfect
take the SED1pill
If you need any help feel free to ask and I'll try to help. A lot of tutorials out there are hard to follow and I want to make new ones at some point. So helping somebody else would help me reinforce what I already know.

>>8761742
Yeah Serious Sam is genuinely the one game that *needs* maps the most, Doom has multiple solid official games plus tons of great WADs, Quake has both of those too, as well as Duke Nukem, Even Blood now has an unofficial campaign, Sam just has a bunch of flawed sequels and a few maps for each

This mod also needs more maps for it
https://youtu.be/CAnXHpQoPyg

>>8761797
>as well as Duke Nukem
>Even Blood now has an unofficial campaign
Blood seems to have gotten a lot more named mapsets over both Duke and Shadow Warrior.

>>8761824
Yeah it's gotten plenty, Shadow Warrior has gotten the least of the three, I don't know if Shadow Warrior is as popular as Serious Sam overall though

>>8761827
>I don't know if Shadow Warrior is as popular as Serious Sam overall though
You’re very right. Also my bad, I was just making an observation,I’m sorry if I implied more from my post.

Playing through Blood for the first time ever. Extra Crispy and no savescumming obviously.

Is E2M9 peak bullshit or do I just need to take a break? Because this fucking level is seriously grinding my gears.

>>8761876
>Is *level* peak bullshit
>Extra Crispy
The entire game is peak bullshit on that difficulty anon. The fact you made it this far is one hell of a feat.

>>8761882
Shit my bad I meant Well Done. Yeah I'm not completely fucking mental.

>>8761827
I think the SW reboot is as popular as current Sam, but the original SW is usually just a sidenote

>>8761886
Oh. In that case, yeah, it's kinda bullshit, but it's worth going through. You're given so much napalm ammo that you can trivialize not only the map, but entire episode.

>>8761893
>but the original SW is usually just a sidenote
Which is a damn shame because SW is way more fun than Duke 3D, and Wang is way cooler than Duke.

>>8761893
This is true, I gotta say, Shadow Warrior is easily my least favorite of the classic shooters, idk why, it just feels boring to me and I don't mind high difficulty since my fav classic shooter is Blood, although I don't like the new games either

>>8761876
I’d take a break for a few and return to it later. It’s not as brutal as Extra Crispy but WD on a blind playthrough without scumming can easily fuck you if you’re not already comfortable with it, it increases enemy health and makes it much easier for them to hit you.

>>8761913
SW has more interesting and threatening enemies, as well as a great weapon roster.
I still find myself playing Blood way more often. It’s style and tone is right up my alley, despite everything else. Given how much content it’s had for it over Duke and SW I’d like to think I’m not alone in this.

>Habitat 2
What the fuck TNT2?

i'm still waiting for Perdition's Gate Resurgence, HACX 2 and maybe a Hell To Pay sequel/revisited.

>>8756768
Retro Jam 7 for Quake is now available
https://twitter.com/ABrut_us/status/1508930000614998017

>>8762138
I'm waiting for Chex Quest 4.

>>8762214
It all looks so, uninspired. And dull.

>>8762246
Have you played DBP42?
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2343/slime-on-earth

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/2048_Units_of_/vr/
Thank you matador, very cool

>>8762385
That's two of our most recent projects down. Now where's HFFM?

>>8762397
Interest was expressed but he did say it might be too controversial for doomwiki, so I wouldn't count on it being added.
Oh shit nigger, I just realized if HFFM gets on then Sitri will get his own page.

Why is so divisive?

>>8762385
Ooh, pretty comprehensive, there's even pages for each of the levels!

I think trivia worth adding for some is that Map 03 was one of the worst first submissions, but then improved to be one of the better maps, the joke behind Map 20's name, and how Map 01EX was a gigantic waste of my time that I regret making.
So is Map 02EX, by the way, and these two levels belong in the reject pile, but I notice the map pictures are wrong for these.

Work in progress, I suppose.

So what do you guys think about Devolution?
I really like it so far, the gameplay is more classic-inspired than I expected.

>>8762435
Not liking it.

>>8762425
>MAP03
That reminds me, is sandsculker still around? Haven't seen him since HFFM, showed some real promise and then dipped.

>>8762385
>I have my own page on Doomwiki now
This is a silly thing to get excited about, but feels good.

>>8762446
LunchLunch?

>>8762405
I submitted Temple of Flesh anonymously.

>>8762451
He's had one for a while. Some ones I didn't notice before are WME and punchman. I also didn't know violentbeetle and repugnus had one but that's probably just me being ignorant

>>8762452
Ooh, I see the stylistic connection now.

For me it's ONEMANDOOM reviews

>>8762465
I'm not worried about it. Maybe next project will get me an author page.

>>8762478
Speaking of, I think chopblock will finally get a page once he leads 94 protons so NEVER LOL

Next /vr/ project we should list anonymous multiple times in the credits for however many anons work on it.

been doing more bloodborne stuff. Wrote a new whole ass menu just to apply the caryll runes.

>>8762542
Neat

>>8762507
>/vr/ presents - Anon Doom
>everybody is wearing a trenchcoat, fedora, and sunglasses
>pistol replaced with 'samefag blaster' - muzzle flash just spells out >samefag
>chainsaw makes random homoerotic sounds from HFFM
>fists replaced with those of Alf
>shotgun impacts display random /vr/-related words to emulate the word cloud
>chaingun becomes a laptop opened to /doom/ where firing is just typing an autistically long post
>rocket launcher becomes the 'bump limit' - does no damage on impact but kills over time in a large radius
>plasma gun shoots random head sprites of /vr/ shooter protagonists and makes a corresponding noise from them (i.e. HUH for Ranger)
>BFG becomes the 'janny' and fires a projectile of a literal janitor that flies around and sweeps up enemies
>maps are based on /vr/ memes and shitposts
Would probably be awful but funny.

>>8762628
>BFG costs no ammo but has a cooldown timer

>>8762637
>>8762628
Now we're talking

I'm doing writeups for the 4chan section of the SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM image. Input is appreciated.
300 minutes
>Just like 200 minutes, but with more time. A much more polished set overall, while keeping the goofy charm of its predecessor.
Combined Arms
>Pick from 4 classes and blast away with some of the most unconventional weaponry made for Doom. Wacky, polished, and fun as hell.
Malefactors
>The monster counterpart for Combined Arms, run them together to crank the crazy to 11, or you can load them with most other map sets to inject a little more challenge and lunacy into your gameplay.
HFFM
>A tribute to the Gachimuchi subculture, featuring extensive asset replacements and loaded to the brim with hard, fast... fabulous maps? Sleep tight, Aniki.
Ad Mortem and Babel are next and I have no idea what to write for those. I don't have much space so I gotta make these really concise

>>8762663
Ad Mortem was a Halloween mapset, so ham it up, I'd say. Maybe make mention of the new enemies and/or novelty of MBF21 mapping features, something like:
>Tricks and Treats galore in this Halloween-themed mapset, blast new and familiar faces in a variety of spooky locales, made by your (favorite?) ghouls and goblins!

>>8762628
>maps are based on /vr/ memes and shitposts
>Entering /vr/ Presents: NIGGUR
>Entering Romero makes spacetime his bitch
>Entering [NO] (an icon of sin fight except it's Graf's chicken avatar, it shoots instant killing [NO]s instead of spawners and the map is made to intentionally run like shit)

am i retarded if i got filtered by trying to setup prboom+

>>8762710
Yes because you should set up DSDA instead.

The main menu is nearly done! It still needs a logo and the font needs a little tweaking, but I'm very happy with how it turned out. NSFW, so open at own risk.
>https://files.catbox.moe/z3gnt9.png

>>8762751
nice work, anon

>>8762751
Oh charcola, I found your new favorite game

>>8762705
>/vr/ Presents: NIGGUR
A much better name than Violent Rumble, honestly.
Does anyone still have *that* picture?

>>8762790

>>8762790
>>8762794
>tfw never got the collected the NIGGUR runes with /vr/os in Violent Rumble

https://files.catbox.moe/0lukbi.wad

Decided to try my hand at a doom map. Its short and has some texture alignment issues, but I'm honestly pretty proud of it.

What do you guys think?

>>8762808
https://files.catbox.moe/he61p5.lmp
This is my second playthrough of the map. I mistyped my record argument.
Really short, really easy. For a first attempt, it's not terrible. You have the idea of making the player return to an older area down, but it leaves a lot of room to be expanded upon.
That Baron that rises up from the pool isn't a threat in the slightest. Barons and Hell Knights are best used when they limit movement. They don't make for good turrets because they only fire a single projectile at a time and it's dodged easily. You could also consider opening up a monster closet near the blue switch to give the player something to do between the Baron and Revenant.

>>8762808
Short and easy, but largely inoffensive. I like the visible door in the secret area cluing the player in to how to get there, but was mildly annoyed that the blue door didn't open from both sides when I went to go get it. To add to what >>8762840 said, the walls of the well could have been slightly lower and the revenant would have been a stronger threat, since it would allow his rockets to pass over it.

>>8762871
I think just simply swapping the Baron and Revenant would suit each of their roles better. The Baron blocks the exit switch while the Revenant would actually be able to hurt the player.
Optionally, replace the Baron with 2 Hell Knights behind the Blue door.

>>8762871
I should have recorded a demo, I don't know why I thought the blue door led up to the key area, it's the exit, disregard that part.
>>8762880
Even better.

>>8762358
Oh fuck I'd forgotten about that, thanks man.

Every Doom TC I've tried has been various shades of Doom with new visuals, REKKR, Adventures of Square, Wool Ball, Hacx, Chex Quest, even Hedon has the same movement and doesn't feel all that different when you're in the middle of combat, it just has puzzles

It's fine but what are some stuff that really changes stuff? Besides HD I know about that one

>>8762976
Play Sonic Robo Blast 2 and its Kart spinoff if you want something truly different in the Doom engine.

>>8762983
FUCK egg rock zone

>>8762989
It's been made easier and easier over the years, get good. I hope the updated version of it has the megaman disappearing block section, but every block is a differently angled slope.

>>8762996
FUCK egg rock "ZONE"

>>8762996
>It's been made easier and easier over the years
Fucking hell what has actually changed about it? The blocks filtered me to fuck the first time and I can't imagine that it was harder before that.

>>8762751

>>8762663
>A tribute to the Gachimuchi subculture
Is this really what I submitted a map to? I think it'd be much cooler to be honest about it. First, the title isn't HFFM, it's "Hard Fast Faggot Maps," and as for the description:
>a memeworthy phrase was found in the /vr/ threadly word cloud, and the name of the next /vr/ megawad was decided.

>>8762663
What all are you adding to the 4chan sectrion?

>>8763054
It became pretty Gachi focused quickly.

>>8763031
Additional air pockets in the spacewalk sections, act 2 was cut down pretty significantly, and rings were added to the megaman block section to guide your jumps, also the last two bosses were put into "Black Core Zone" so you could continue from them instead of having to do Egg Rock Zone again.

>>8763063
According to who? The sprites were added late in the project

>>8763072
different anon, but iirc plans for the hud face were made pretty early but someone flaked.
and some talk of gachi shit was around pretty early. but i wouldn't say it because focused on it wholly.

>>8762808
Not bad at all for a first try. I like the castle, Plutonia map01 aesthetic. Besides what others said, I would add that the opening area is poorly designed because if you shoot at the first grunt, the monsters are all alerted and will crowd up at the stairs. Then they're fish in a barrel. Some should be flagged as "ambush" to avoid being alerted by gunfire. Or you could make sound-blocking line pairs. I know the map is short on purpose, but the areas themselves could just be larger. With such small spaces, theres not much room for the enemies or you to move, and it limits how many enemies you can even place.

>>8762751

>>8762751
noice

>>8763047
>>8763094
New, huh? Bit of this have been being posted for months.

>>8762751
>not having a collapsed search bar
Disgusting.

>>8763063
It did, which is why I want to encourage people be open to more varied gay jokes for that eventual expansion pack.
There's no reason we can't have giant vats of Gay Fuel or a Tarzan Boy midi.

>>8762976
TD

I can find a single secret in tnt devilution.

>>8762385
No problem

>>8762397
>>8762405
It'll probably come sometime after the minutes of /vr/ series. I'm interested in making a page for it though and it'll probably be OK, I just don't know if I can use the word "faggot" without tripping some word filter or something.

>>8762425
What's wrong with the map pictures? It's Doom Wiki policy to remove teleport closets and sound tunnels from the map views but other than that it should be accurate, though maybe I screwed something up when I made the cropped WAD.

>>8763234
Looks like it's the wrong ones.

>>8763118
You jack off to, and draw, pictures of chicks with dicks. You need to unplug for a while. You unironically are a bigger faggot than the guy who made the HFFM sprites

>>8763234
Keep it low-key and call it HFFM. Even if it doesn't trip a word filter, someone will see it and bitch down the line.

>>8763321
>and draw
Are you accusing a post shitting on a screenshot for a Windows customisation feature of being made by the same person who posted the screenshot in the first place?

>>8763328
He's not a very bright boy. He also might just be looking to pick a fight.

>>8763234
>I just don't know if I can use the word "faggot" without tripping some word filter or something.
Did you know that one of 32in24 entries was called CAPTURE THE FAG? I think you might get away with it. Still, I'd rather be on the safer side and either ask around if it will be fine to use the uncut name or should you use one of the alternative names or even make a new alternative name(something like Hard Fast Fruity Maps).

>>8763329
He's not a boy, he's a brown-boned pissy skeleton. Screamy too!

>>8763323
It's already in individual mappers' pages as HFFM, so the page will be called that, maybe with a redirect for "Hard Fast Faggot Maps" if possible and the full name on the HFFM page.

>>8763335
I didn't know. I searched "faggot" on the wiki and came up with nothing but didn't think to search "fag", which brings up that 32in24 and a Mock 2 map ("U Are A Fag"), so it's nice to know there's already precedent for something like this.

>>8762989
I play ERZ2 as a warm up, get good. Although ERZ1 can be a pain in the ass if you can't fly simply just because of the megaman blocks section

>>8763373
>so it's nice to know there's already precedent for something like this.
Idk, idgames has a few instances of it too, such as loserfag.wad, but when we tried to submit it as Hard Fast Faggot Maps they denied us. You can try though.

How does the Prodeus level creator stack up against it's free competitors?

>>8761281
no, sadly. i looked at it just in case, but i`ll have to admit i don`t actually play singular maps. still, thank you for an attempt anon.

>>8759639
Did you just discover them? It's no secret that the lyrics are the shittiest, edgiest thing imaginable

>>8762467
Didn't he retire?

>>8762751
Now you people are talking my language

>>8763615
I wanna fuck you like an animal

>>8763720
>I wanna BOOGIE like an animal

>>8763695
He's been doing reviews again.

>>8762840
>>8762871
>>8762880
>>8762898
>>8763089
Thanks anons! Will definitely keep this stuff in mind when designing future maps!

>>8759264
Mordeth Episode 2

>>8756794
20x7 is my favorite wad ever
>>8757334
Relax, wander, and enjoy. It didn't spoonfeed prison to you

>>8762397
>>8762405
I'm all for HFFM getting wiki coverage, but because of it's touchy subject matter I think we should focus on getting our other wads up first; once we have a welcome foothold on the wiki we can sneak HFFM on there.

>>8762983
If it weren't for SRB2 technically not being an FPS despite being a Doom mod I'd be gushing about it in these threads all day. Probably the best Sonic game ever made.

>>8763867
The PVP is in first person.

>>8763871
Technically, that's true. I'm still a bit reluctant to talk about it for the same reason people don't talk about Banjo-Tooie in here.
Either way, it's a really fun mode. You'd think FPS Sonic wouldn't work but they found a way.

>>8762663
>Ad Mortem and Babel are next and I have no idea what to write for those. I don't have much space so I gotta make these really concise
For Babel, I’m not sure why I’m spacing out on this as well. It’s what I recommend when someone’s looking for a slightly harder, faster, and more nuanced take on Doom’s traditional gameplay. There’s also the AI additions that need mentioning.

more like Drake O'Boring lol

>>8763927
>finding out your favorite TNT maps (Mill, Heck, and the secret levels) are all Casali maps
That was funny

Do you guys use unofficial MIDI packs?
I didn't really like the TNT one, never liked the Doom 2 one, and the Doom 1 one doesn't mesh well with PWADs that don't have custom music.
The Heretic one is also very meh, so I took it out as well.
The only one I regularly use is the Plutonia one, which feels like the best one made.

>>8762347
Care to elaborate? Haven't played it but some of the screens look decent enough.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this.

>>8763939
>Mill
cringe

>>8763951
the temple of PAIN

>>8763946
These look great.

>>8762437
Why not anon?

>>8763942
I find it weird that they decided to redo the original TNT tracks in the TNT pack too, I thought they would at least leave one level with one of those. At least it means more MIDIs for mappers to use.

>>8763989
Yeah, I hated that, but it sort of makes sense at the same time because if you remove those MIDIs that replace the new TNT tracks you'll notice a very big difference in both style and balancing. The new ones are more synth-ish and are quieter, the OG TNT tracks blow out your eardrums with guitars, which is 10x times better that nu-MIDIs.

>>8763939
Heck even feels like a prototype for Plutonia, complete with homages to Doom 2.

>>8763952
Not him, but Mill is mostly a fine map. But it definitely shows how much the mapping styles of Dario Casali and Ty Halderman clash.

>>8763942
Yes. And they're all actually pretty great.

>>8763573
What do you mean?

>>8759264
Tarnsman's Projectile Hell, but it also works with zdoom. One of original Caverns Of Darkness developers is making EE-compatible version of the wad. Besides that there is nothing else yet. Skillsaw is developing something, but that's it for now. Since mbf21 came most mappers are now more focused on that instead of EE.

>>8763942
I actually felt the Plutonia one had too many tracks that completely changed the overall tone of the original default midis. And most of its good midis I tend to associate with stuff like Resurgence and other wads they may have appeared.

>>8759264
Stuart Rynn's Cubic Worlds is pretty neat: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/111787-cubic-worlds-wip-a-mapset-for-eternity-with-original-music-7-maps-done/
There is 7 maps

>>8763951
bosnian pyramid in doom. hell yeah

>>8762663
no 2048 units of vr?

>>8762385

>>8764082

>>8764115
He's not talking about the wiki, he's talking about the SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM infographic.

>>8762405
I dunno, could just mention that the raunchy uncensored version and that it should be approached with caution if you don't like big baron bulges
I think the only particularly controvresial thing for the level of non-normalfag that hangs out on doomwiki would be "faggot" but that can just be alluded to in a trivia post about its name being a wordcloud and 4chan's "liberal use" of the word
Mind you if it never gets an entry I don't care much, but I think it would be hypocritical to ommit a community project with this much effort behind it from an encyclopediac site because this particular subcommunity has an edgier sense of humor (and not even /pol/.wad edgy for edgy sake, just the word "faggot" and gachi memes done mostly in earnest)

What is the absolute fucking worst enemy of any build engine game ever made and why is it automatic doors?

>>8762698
have to mention it's an early mbf21 adopter, the earliest possibly, and tries out it's nifty new features
also king boner the stiff

>>8764223
>it's an early mbf21 adopter, the earliest possibly, and tries out it's nifty new features
Damn proud of our project being first of something, especially something very relevant in whole doom mapping community

>pressing escape in the pause screen exits back to main menu instead of unpausing
>doesn't even ask you to save
Thank you Raven Software, very cool.

>>8764223
You know what's also cool? Odamex' Horde mode includes Ad Mortem wave and has its monsters outside of that wave too. If that's not sick then I don't know what.

>>8764276
Odamex Horde Mode for next SNS maybe??

>>8764293
Definitely sometime in the future. Just need to figure out how to make odamex server and get the newest horde stuff at that time.

>>8764276
What's also cool is me just now discovering that ghost town of a port is still getting updates

>>8764382
Wheel of time, right?

>>8764389
yep
pretty cool so far

>>8761095
Curious why these sprites are lacking the hands?

>>8764396
that was a deliberate choice when I made that addon last year. So you can pair it with any player skin you'd want in HD and it works with all of them.
Because it bugs the shit out of me if your character is a robot or some shit and you have normal hairy Doomguy arms.

>>8764276
With the same properties as ours? Because those are just Realm667 sprites.

>tnt playthrough
>mill
>don't know the seekrits, but there's an area map so that's cool
>all the secrets are marked as don't draw
sasuga casali, that archvile in a room with no cover was pretty cool too, even if you can get lucky and telefrag him

>>8764406
Given the name of that wave, the properties should be the same. I don't know for sure, I'd need to check both the Horde wad and Ad Mortem wad to know for sure

>>8764393
Looks real good. I wonder what else the devs made:
>Return to Na Pali expansion before Wheel of Time
>then Unreal II of all things, then some Terminator game, before closing the studio
…Ouch. At least Wheel looks good.
>>8764398
Awesome. Where can I get me some of that mod? Not only do I use other player skins, I’m a turbo autist who likes the look of sprites and viewmodels without the hands.

>>8764416
Can you force a certain wave to load? That would be cool to see.

>>8764421
https://combine-kegan.itch.io/separated-arms

I need to update the Bronto so expect to see some shitty sprites when you reload it.

>>8764421
>Unreal 2
ouch indeed.
anyway, this game plays a lot like Unreal 1 actually, what with slightly bot-like dodging enemies, and decent ammo economy for the useful weapons.
switching between weapons is a pain though, as most slots are occupied by gimmicks. at least in Requiem gimmicks were in a separate menu.

>>8764416
I just checked, the properties are pretty much the exact same. Gargoyls have no +SPAWNCELLING

>Play HL2
>Long af
>Enemies are either fodder, annoying hitscanners, or bullet sponges
>Constant chip damage from hitscanners
>Unending storyshit even though its a shooter and I don't care
>Puzzles out of a Leapfrog game
...What am I missing? Is peoples' hype for HL3 just tongue-in-cheek?