/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8742596
Where is the lightning source in that picture?

>>8742596
Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy are a billion times more popular.
>>8742606
Up your ass.

>>8742596
Dragon Quest has always been the number one franchise in Japan throughout its life, and Zelda was always miles away from that.

Final Fantasy was in second place more or less, it wasn't until Final Fantasy 7, that the latter surpassed Dragon Quest in popularity in Japan, by this time the popularity of Dragon Quest decreased, until in recent times Dragon Quest returned to the top,

In any case the Japanese are weird, Dragon Quest is trash.

>https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Famitsu_Japan%27s_100_favorite_video_games
The fuck is Machi?

>>8742620
Dragon Quest is literally a template JRPG.
Its gameplay is as generic as it gets and so is its story. I seriously don't get why it's so popular. There's nothing remarkable about it.

>>8742606
The lighting is coming from your mom's bum.

>>8742620
wrong
Dragon Quest 7 and 8 were still the single best-selling games of the PS1 and PS2 in Japan

>>8742624
It's a very early visual novel-type game by Chunsoft that used live-action stills. It was the prequel to 428: Shibuya Scramble, which did came out here.

>>8742628
Part of the reason Dragon Quest is so popular is because people there have an unhealthy obsession with Toriyama, this isn't a joke, it is a confirmed fact that the reason why the first DQ sold so well is because it had Toriyama drawings on the cover. I know we live in a world full of retards.

>>8742624
>Sonic the Hedgehog more popular than Super Mario World
I call bullshit. Japs literally don't give a fuck about Sonic. It has zero popularity there.

>>8742638
>It's a very early visual novel-type game by Chunsoft
Jesus fuck and Chunsoft made the first five Dragon Quest games. Japs are really obsessed with their stuff, they made other immensely popular VNs

>>8742606
the shading on that is fine

>>8742628
Dragon Quest was THE standard jrpg before standard jrpgs became a thing

>>8742606
above

Did you know?!?!?
>In the Japanese Famicom release of Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, a grave can be found in the town Saria that reads "The hero Loto rests here."
>In the North American release of Final Fantasy, a grave in the town of Elfheim reads "Here lies Erdrick". In the Japanese release however, the grave instead reads "Here lies Link".

>>8742721
In the Chinese version it reads
>Here lies Donkey Donkey, who died in a panic

>>8742606
t. Draws shitty tumblr-tier art

>>8742596
Yes.

They know it exists, it’s just not Animal Crossing or Mario tier popular.

>>8742606
Go back to /ic/ nigger

Is Ys more popular then Zelda in Japan or are they about the same? Both seemed a little too "western fantasy world", though Ys feeling a tad bit more japany in its presentation.

>>8742812
Judging by youtube views even in Japan Ys is not all that popular

>>8742812
Nobody aside from turbospergs cares about Falcomshit.

>>8742812
japfags do western fantasy well because they are distanced from it. western history is such a mess of conflicting influences you always get retarded shit like werewolf space marines

>>8742596
What if Zelda was an anime girl with pink hair. UwU

>>8743242

>>8743249

Sexy pink haired Zelda before LTTP

>>8743242
>>8743249
>>8743279
>>8743256
Isn't this just a magazine mascot cosplaying as Link?

>>8743242
>>8743249
>>8743256
Didn’t know Metroid a dude?

>>8743279
Look redhead from Zelda
>>8743294
That a error of misgender Link.

>>8743279
>>8743314
Someone needs to draw this two together as Clyde Cash and his Ho.
>Hi! My name is Dirk Metroid and I hate everyone of you. This is my girlfriend Zelda. She's an elf from mediaval Hyrule.

>>8742707
>>8742628
Dragon Quest was just a ripoff of the NES version of Ultima 3.

everyone knows Japan only loves Square and Enix RPGs, puzzle shit, and Mario. all other franchises are secondary. there's an audience for Metroid, Castlevania, Mega Man, etc but it was always relatively niche.

>>8743486
DQ1 came out a year and a half before the Famicom port of U3. More accurate to say DQ1 stole from the original computer versions of U3 and Hydlide.

>>8743242
Multiverse plot with multiple Links would be fun shit, using all old scrapped ideas and designs like that SciFi Zelda art and that modern dopey Link in jeans and a hoodie from the one art book.

>>8743279
>that whistle pic

>>8742596
Ocarina of Time along with the N64 sold more units in North America compared to any other region by far. I think the Zelda series in general has been more successful in the west since then.

>>8743495
The developers of Dragon Quest cited the Ultima series and Wizardry as inspiration. They never once mentioned Hydlide

>>8743663
I recall seeing a recent (last 10 years or so) poll listing for the best games of the 90s, and Ocarina of Time was still in the top 10, impressive for what was something of an also-ran system there.

>>8743314
mandela effect

>>8743463
ok boomer

>>8743764
Ok zoomer.

>>8742879
Using YouTube as a metric for anything, when people pander to an algorithm by making dumb faces to get more clicks to make more ad pennies. Shit's beyond belief.

>>8743314

I actually really love that artwork. It's oddly 50's/ 60's inspired. Would have been weird to see that get turned into a cartoon. Imagine if it just had Samus as a man? They just called him Sam for short.

>https://soranews24.com/2021/12/28/japan-picks-the-100-greatest-games-of-all-time-in-video-game-general-election/
The most recent poll. Zelda dethroned Dragon Quest

>>8742596
Is someone scanning Newtype or just sections? I find Japanese magazines jsut aesthetically quite gorgeous.

>>8742596
>but is it actually THAT popular in Japan
Yes. That would be why Nintendo, a Japanese company, considers it one of their flagship IPs.

>>8742606
there's two light sources
one dimmer on the left, one brighter on the far right.
pre-cope now

>>8744457
>lolibait shooter, Farmville for groomers and HMOFA furfags, and the most overrated psuedo-Capcom Zelda at the top 5
disappointing but not expected
does any have that pic of Gen Z kids at Japan saying Gundam is lame?

>>8744002
>Sam for short
Bet they never play Serious Sam.

>>8743314
Imagine a game made with Link and Samus. Where we have LoZ's fantasy mixed with MP's spookyness. And somehow a conjoined game with Metroided Ganondorf with tons alienshit invading Hyrule.

What do you guys think?

>>8742642
Famitsu is pretty famous for having weird and atypical takes when it comes to rating games. Like they're not classic IGN levels of ignorant, but they often go against the stream.

>>8745140
Well that would be fucking retarded you know that anon? I'd rather have a Metroid x Dead Space crossover or a FROMSoft 3D Zelda

>>8745234
Zelda x Castlevania or Zelda x Lineage

>>8742628
>Bread and Butter is literally a template food.
>Its taste is as generic as it gets and so is its texture. I seriously don't get why it's so popular. There's nothing remarkable about it.

>>8745247
Fucking Lineage?? But why? I'm actually surprised to even see it mentioned here, Lineage 2 is one of my favorite online games of all time

>>8745295
Yup

>>8745256
I understand where you're getting it but it's true.
Games are something that should be assessed based on modern merits. Just because something was innovative and influential back in the day doesn't mean it's worth playing now.
and in the case of dragon quest; the gameplay is still more or less exactly the same as the first entry of the franchise. I just don't see the appeal of something so bare-bones.

>>8743691
They openly admit that DQ1 was supposed to be an easier version of Wizardy with Ultima's graphics/overworld so that console players could get a taste of CRPGs.

>>8745410
That's the entire point of Dragon Quest. It's literally made to be baby's first RPG and is essentially treated as a comfort food-tier game in Japan.

>>8742596
Remember that for every one big game America gets, Japan gets a hundred more just as good and influential. We've taken the slim pickings we got and turned them into the most important games because it's all we had. Like if all you had to judge French or Italian movies was based on what aired on cable in the 90s you'd miss hundreds of great films. Almost nothing we think are the best games from Japan are what they consider the best.

>>8745410
I decided to give Dragon Quest a try a year ago and now I'm a fan. Chose the translated Famicom version of the first game as a starting point and just couldn't stop. That's coming from someone who doesn't really like turn-based JRPGs. There's just something really charming about these games. I highly recommend trying DQXI at least

>>8745439
Judging by what Japanese devs say their most important and influential games are mostly the same. There are some pretty popular and influential games like Portopia and Twilight/Moonlight Syndrome that were never localized though

>>8745443
It has a lot to do with the monster designs and how soulful they are. Even the most basic and cliché enemy looks amazing

>>8742620
wrong Pokemon is at the top.

>>8745538
Pokemon actually isn't that popular in Japan. America keeps 90% of it going

>>8745234
>i rather have a crossover that has nothing new to offer
>muh gore totaly unique
Samus exploring ruins is already a thing. Exploring a more primitive planet is interesting.

>>8742596
>Like do they consider OoT to be an influential game and all that jazz?
No, it's really only important for western canon.

>>8745563
Prime 1 intro is amazing and I wish there was an entire 3D game like it. That's why a Dead Space crossover would be cool. Like Fusion but 3D

>>8742812
Ys is not even a fraction of Zelda's popularity in Japan.

>>8745719
I see a lot more billboards for it when I'm walking down the street in Tokyo than I do for Zelda. Even for the older games. You barely see Link anywhere, but I see Adol all the time. A shop I visit often has a statue of him.

>>8745763
It's a popular series but it's akin to SF and KOF.

Zelda 1 sold well in Japan.

>>8745763
No way, there are Adol billboards and even a statue of him? That's pretty cool for a relatively obscure series

>>8742628
>I seriously don't get why it's so popular.
I remember my Japanese DQ fan friends said that they have fond memories of their parents(dad) playing it with them as kids.

http://blog.hardcoregaming101.net/2012/02/top-100-famicom-games-as-voted-by.html
Why is Takeshi's Challenge on there

>>8745825
>28
>Konami Wai Wai World

this game sucks

>36
>Wizardry

Pleasant surprise

>42
>Metal Gear

OH NO NO NO KOJIMA-SAN

also
Feudal Kunio b-mup is in 13 position but the original Kunio b-mup (River City Ransom) is nowhere to be found? This is very odd to me

>>8745857
The first one's Renegade not River City and it's on the 33rd place

>>8745234
>Well that would be fucking retarded you know that anon?
Why? Shit would be awesome. Imagine a story where Samus happens to fall on Hyrule land, bringing tons of Aliens along because they were chasing her. She then accidently brings bad times to Hyrule while becoming unable to escape & deal with the enemies.

Later she finds that her incapability to fight was due to an elaborate spell created by some omnious force which hijacks her. Sorcerers conspiring to resurrect Ganon are promoting chaos in order to steal the triforce and someshit.

Then, Link receives the divine revelation from Farore that he must unite with Samus cuz an alliance with magic and advanced technology is required to surpass the ordeals.

>>8745980
(cont.)
The gameplay could even have an alternation between Link & Samus while also exploring nice interactions between them and other characters from both franchises.

>>8742596
Zelda is popular in Japan in that all the new titles always sell very well. However it's not "T H E" ultimate action-adventure-fantasy game that occupies the central pedestal of nostalgia in most Japanese gamers' minds the way it does in the west. For them, it's more Dragon Quest.

>>8744002
I recently had an epiphany that Metroid is heavily inspired by the old black and white space adventure serials, Super Metroid in particular. Yeah there's some Alien inspiration as well but once you see it the whole "Bounty Hunter Samus Aran is on another one of her space adventures! Oh no, the hideous space mutant just jumped out of the lava! Will our hero be able to blast it in time?" really fits. Plus those robots in the wrecked ship.

Pic related, it's Metroid with his gun

>>8745410
>Games are something that should be assessed based on modern merits
I spit on your entire existence. If any part of you ever touched the sleeve of my shirt I would burn it.

>>8745140
Id say this idea was absolutely retarded if it weren't for the fact nintendo has already considered the idea as one of the concepts for BoTW.

>>8745140
I think it sounds soulless and contrived.
Make a new franchise.

>>8745980
You need to be 18 or older to post, faggot.

>>8746129
Next to Alien I'd say the anime Space Adventure Cobra is the biggest inspiration for Metroid. The main character is probably the earliest user of an arm cannon and there's all sorts of surreal space worlds involved in his bounty hunting too.

>>8746129
>>8746150
Alright if we are talking Metroid inspiration all of a sudden I want to share my thoughts too.The whole 'MUH BABY METROID' thing has always reminded me of Queen Millennia and Galaxy Express 999 because of mother-child relationships and a tall blonde woman lead in all of them of course

>>8746150
Bro I was just watching this series since TMS has it on their channel. Retro anime is so soulful. Wish we got more than just a point and click adventure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6e0p8RgGY

>>8745140
idk about that but i have been thinkin like what if they did a zelda game in space
not even on a new planet entirely just exploring space ya know
just use the apollo 11 of red lions to get around

>>8745104
here ya go bro

>>8744571
jp is a joke market
has been since the early 2000s
it took mobile games for them to survive on their own

>>8745825
>The top 10, that hallowed realm of debate and contention. Nearly half the list is Dragon Quest, a whopping 40%. There is though a Dragon Quest clone in the form of Mother, effectively filling half, with DQ’s main Final Fantasy filling the list with another turn-based RPG. And Mother is the only one which is remotely interesting. Then there’s a action-RPG in the form of Zelda, effectively making 70% of this list an RPG of some form. The remaining three games are all Mario-based platformers, with no.10 being that horrible single-screen title with the POW block.
>
>As the crowning titles for the list, this is not a great start and highlights the obsession Japan has (or certainly had) with RPGs and Dragon Question in particular. As HG101 once stated though, in a Crank Gamer’s entry, all the Dragon Quest games are garbage. Yes, I said it, and yes, I went there.

>>8742628
toriyama
guy might as well have been god for those godless slants

also nips are really monolithic when it comes to trends. same shit happened with space invaders
also the reason the PCE succeeded over there, cuz of some dumb sticker trend
its that bugman thing. they cant help but go with the hive

>>8746274
If you look up anything at all in Japanese one of the top results is usually "人気" or "おすすめ". In other words; nips primarily use popularity as an assessment tool of the desirability of something.

The strong tendency for Japanese to confirm would be a good thing in a healthy, cultured society as we've observed in earlier decades but in a degenerate one it's anything but that.
One example of this phenomenon is the increased westernisation of Japanese media.
The primary reason why even Japanese games are starting to be subjected to woke mandates such as diversity quotas and LGBT inclusiveness is because of vocal twitter faggots demanding conformity to the progressive narrative.
Yes, the same twitter trannies that shove their bio full with pronouns have been coercing Japanese artists and such to be more politically correct and it's starting to break through unfortunately.

Sorry for my autistic rant, I just had to get it out.

>>8746353
>Sorry for my autistic rant, I just had to get it out.
i lik tism
dont apologize

and that makes sense
most cultures do it
us burgers are probably right behind them in terms of trash pop culture mass consumption
its just even more notable in nipland

>bowing to twatter troons
goddamn i wish just ONE of those fuckers would learn engrish so they could realize just how negligible that shit really is outside of twatter and some college campuses

>>8746270
The Mother series is overrated and Sketcz is a schizoid who got scammed by a localizer he simped for.

>>8746270
>That opinion
It reads like a click bait article.

>>8746141
>>8746146
You guys are incapable of providing substantial counterarguments.

>>8744457
>13. Undertale
How the fuck is that awful game so high?
Apparently Japs like woke furry-shit games now. They're not so cultured anymore it seems.

>>8745874
I always forget this exists despite having played it, probably because it's so terrible. Still no Kunio-RCR in the list apparently which is weird

>>8746353
Doesn't matter how well you think you write your posts, you still sound like you're just mad because a game has black protagonists.

>>8747438
of the 4 replies, you whined of the most sensual complaint

>>8746129
>>8746187
and wasn't there someone in /v/ claiming there was an ancient interview affirming they had cues inspired by Birdy the Mighty?

>>8747983
Yes, and i'm still waiting for a sauce on that.

>>8747729
They like the UnderRune games there for the same reason why Hunters was the most sold Metroid Prime game in Japan.
It's a bunch of character interaction they get to fawn around with a bunch of cartoon animals or colorful cast of characters and such with a lace of usual edge allegory that you find on the niche side of things. (you find the same kind of shit in Kirby, Touhou, Pokemon, etc)

and no, you don't see any of the stuff you think they're into in fanart, unless you're going to cite like 3 example of fucking porn or some shit.

>>8745825
>HG101

>>8742727
he probably thinks art should be realistic and sterile like how it is now.

>>8748065
context? was it them saying that?

Zelda was popular in Japan up until WW.

>>8750518
I loved that when it failed to even sell in Japan too Aonuma cried that it was just people didn't play video games anymore.

>>8750518
>>8750529
To be honest WW looks like a game that Japan should love the most

>>8750817
Its art direction looks a lot more western than OoT and MM though.

>>8751157
No way. If I didn't know about Zelda I'd think OoT was a western game aside from female designs

>>8742610
>Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy are a billion times more popular.
lol no

>>8742620
>it wasn't until Final Fantasy 7, that the latter surpassed Dragon Quest in popularity in Japan, by this time the popularity of Dragon Quest decreased, until in recent times Dragon Quest returned to the top,
False.
DQVII was the top selling Japan video game in 5th gen.

>>8743191
>western history is such a mess of conflicting influences you always get retarded shit like werewolf space marines
No it's because of sci-fi geeks and nerds that you get retarded shit like this.

>>8745410
Modern games are garbage so you're just lowering the bar.

>>8751157
No it doesn't. Wind Waker is so anime you can easily find the sources it's plagiarizing... I mean, ah, "inspired by"

>>8745439
>Remember that for every one big game America gets, Japan gets a hundred more just as good and influential.
Now this is bullshit.
The number isn't that huge and all of them certainly aren't influential.

>>8745527
That's Akira Toriyama for you

>>8747896
Nobody wants niggers in their games.

>>8745234
>a FROMSoft 3D Zelda

>>8746131
Iron Man!

>>8751157
>>8751193
>>8751382
Release on same time as SP vs the World art style?

>>8745104
>>8746225
Kinda sad. What's the source/age for this?
What do they even like nowadays?
For decades mecha were extremely ubiquitous in Japan to the point it was synonymous with anime in the west for years. That seems to have died in the 00's. Idols and isekai seem to be the main appeal now but you can barely call the latter a genre beyond just a theme or set-up.

>>8752683
Nah, it goes back to the 60s.

Zelda's popularity in Japan started to fade with OoT, mainly because the N64 bombed hard there. It's the reason why they pandered hard to the Japanese with Wind Waker and all the toon Link games (unsuccessfully). After that failed they went all out on the American audience with Twilight Princess.
Japs fucking loved Breath of the Wild though, it's the best selling game in the series even there.

>>8752728
Funny enough, OoT was also the game where they changed the logo from the Japanese one to the English one. That's why BotW going back to a Japanese logo was such a big deal for Japan.

>>8746187
One thing I rarely see mentioned is how Galaxy Express inspired Ico. The Tetsuro/Matel/queen Prometheum triumvirate is the same as Ico/Yorda/dark Queen.

>>8742640
I mean he was chosen for a reason, and Shonen Jump did articles on it after initial sales didn't do that well. The Jump thing is why they tried to replicate it in America with Nintendo Power, following the same tactics. But no one here knew who the fuck Toriyama was until a decade later.
>>8746274
Cringe post though

>>8752703
>What's the source/age for this?
NHK, 2014
http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-25017.html

>>8745140
I’d much rather have Samus interact with and have a legitimate crossover with the other space based Nintendo series like Kirby, Star Fox and F-Zero before Zelda.
I’m usually not too big with my sci-fi mixing with my fantasy unless it’s a pretty composite fantasy setting like Guilty Gear or Bastard!! That are dark fantasies with elements of horror, the supernatural, religious mythology etc. in them so when big ass mecha and alien shit starts cropping up its not as much of a stretch. Not that Zelda has a complete lack of stuff like that especially with certain games in the series like Majoras and BoTW but I would say at it’s core Zelda has for the most part of its life been a more Tolkien Western Fantasy setting.
Would also be hard to justify Samus not completely steam rolling all the threats in Hyrule with out some contrived reason like “lol magic did it.” Sure Metroid always finds a convenient way to make Samus lose her abilities but even at her base she’s decked out in super advanced future tech and shooting missiles and laser beams. Whose gonna stop her by the time she’s got wave beam, speed booster, space jump and screw attack on top of all that.
Nintendo has a ton of crossover potential that it doesn’t capitalize on nearly enough but I don’t think Metroid and Zelda is one of them.

>>8745763
Not like there are statues of Link in the states either. Just sounds like Falcom might be more involved in advertising Ys than Nintendo is advertising Zelda. Not like they have anything to really advertise for Zelda and as a brand it is already pretty too big to fail especially with BoTW being praised as the second coming literally everywhere. So they probably just see it as unnecessary to do so.

>>8752712
This series was also a big inspiration for Samurai Jack too. Aku and the fire demon look very similar in how they animate.

>>8752894
>Children "Robots are outdated (laughs)"! Special feature on toys at NHK, sales of toys decreased by 24 billion yen
>smartphone games are popular among elementary school students
Mecha bros... not like this ...

>>8752751
Yeah but it's a known fact. Ueda himself said that he liked Galaxy Express
>>8752712
Oh shit, I never noticed the similarities, damn. Nice

>>8745085
False, see Zelda's arm.

>>8753426
it's happening everywhere, Japan isn't immune to it unfortunately.
in 10 years we'll have braindead i-genners determining everything in the video game market based on their shitty smartphone childhood.

>>8754406
>False, see Zelda's arm.
See Link's head

>>8752728
just like Wind Waker, BotW is the most "japanese" Zelda in a while.

>>8743294
yes

>>8747729
>huurr dur dur why is a game that's a mash up of popular japanese video game tropes popular in japan dur dur
not everything you hate is woke btw

>>8752736
>bottom right
>3D RPG
Seriously why do Japs consider those games RPGs? Hidetaka Miyazaki also said that ALttP was one of his favorite RPGs

>>8754619
>defending trannytale
back to /v/

>>8745443
High quality opinion, I like you.

>>8745410
Worst opinion in the entire thread

>>8742606
hello tumblr

>>8754643
Well they consider JRPGs, RPGs

>>8754643
There's no difference between Zelda and the average action RPG other than making stat upgrades physical objects that you can find (often after beating a dungeon, so no different than a level up after several encounters).

>>8754643
That's nothing, watch this.

>>8754643
It says 3D Action RPG, retard.
>>8755025
Looks really fun, going to try this out today.

>>8743314
>>8743279
Oh

>>8753067
I’ve always imagined Link and Ganondorf having a similar dynamic to Jack and Aku anyway.

>>8746137
He's right, you know. Something is only good if it can stand the test of time and changing standards. This is why chess is still one of the best board games of all time.

>>8754619
Woke unironically just means "thing I don't like" for conservatives in the past few years now, and weebs have a made-up version of Japanese people in their minds so they can't comprehend them not matching their imagination

>>8754643
>>8755025
People have always been stupid with genre names, parroting things without thinking about it. On top of this, Japan is literally known for simplying RPGs and making that a standard, so I'm not surprised it got to the point where "RPG" is just a strict synonym of "Adventure" for them rather than a sub-genre of it.

There is also the marketing aspect, it's the most beloved best selling genre. Call your game a RPG, that will bring interest.

But it's not just Japan. After Resident Evil in the west we called everything with a monster in it "Survival Horror", didn't matter if it was an arcade light gun game or a jRPG.
Before that, everything and its mother was a platformer. Even when it was an action sidescroller with non-controllable jumping and few actual platforms and mandatory jumps.

These two things still linger today.

>Woke unironically just means "thing I don't like" for conservatives in the past few years now, and weebs have a made-up version of Japanese people in their minds so they can't comprehend them not matching their imagination

>>8758359
Dilate.

>>8745439
I think you vastly overestimate the ratio of actually good games Japan leaves out, there's mountains of forgettable and interchangable JRPGs which never get translated.

>>8754889
Judging by the light and shadow in this art, I would say that the light source comes somewhere from the right, probably light from the sun or light from a moon. I don't really see a problem with it here.

I don't really see a problem in the OP art either, because that looks like it's cropped and a situation can easily have multiple sources of lights.