/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://www.nexusmods.com/quake/mods/7
https://www.moddb.com/mods/violent-rumble

AD MORTEM
Beta thread
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125461
Current release
https://mega.nz/file/erwV0IbC#LE6uNgNAXh8CkxNhZpFxY3cxMWrS6_eaO92ZdotUfho

=== NEWS ===
[03-21] Doom 64 Revenant is done
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=68009

[03-18] Huge collection of converted textures for Serious Sam mapping
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10n2GrJ-LrB7Az1aw4fstZUviC8uN5XfD/view?usp=sharing

[03-18] Deus Vult II confirmed still in the works, targetting Doom's 30th anniversary for E1 release
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2469298

[03-13] Quake 2 hi-res pack final release
https://www.moddb.com/mods/turoktirol/addons/oblivion-for-quake-2-hi-res-texture-pack

[03-12] Powerslave patch and editor released
https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/1502729607363051522

[03-07] Q3Rally v0.4 released
https://www.q3rally.com/2022/03/02/q3rally-v0-4-is-out/

[03-05] Elementalism Phase 1 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/100102

[03-04] Chocolate Descent gets a beta release
https://github.com/InsanityBringer/ChocolateDescent/releases/tag/v0.1-beta

[03-03] Anon finishes The 10x10 Project
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125783-the-10x10-project-complete-cl9/

[03-03] Underground Dungeon begins Serious Sam TSE mapping jam

[03-03] John Romero releases a new WAD
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727328864489046110/948764939949072394/one-humanity.zip

[03-02] LOLAttack: every monster uses every attack
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=74802#p1214275

[03-01] DBP45: Vrack Botanicals is out now
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2462/vrack-botanicals

[02-28] Dark Forces launcher released, supports mouselook and downloading
https://df-21.net/?post=57

=== PREVIOUS ===
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I need opinions for the Saints WAD.

Should I simply recreate the levels, and let the player run through it as Doom guy, or should I attempt a full on reconstruction?

Guys, I think my level editor has autism.

>>8738997
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing properly. Doing the levels is a good starting point, then you can expand to the rest as you feel comfortable.

>>8738997
Remaster it in full 3D on the FTEQW engine.

>trying to make a big, open, semi-realistic map not look and play like shit
i'm starting to get why people don't really make a lot of TNT inspired stuff

>>8739006
Good one. Closest I'd get to 3D is GoldSrc.

>>8739002
That's what I was thinking. What makes it shitty is building the map, I think, is going to be the hardest part. My only reference is walk-through videos like this.

https://youtu.be/MNCr2u6Leng

I know how to do custom weapons, and custom enemy/power up sprites. I just don't know about decals and scripting for the inventory and shit like that at this point.

its out!

33 minutes of nonstop brutal dooming in 1080p60fps [nightmare:100%secrets:NoDeaths]

>>8739082
https://youtu.be/3EyVZ-UZxug

>>8739086
>Comments turned off

What a NIGGER

>>8739086
look i'm not gonna shit on you for using br00tal dewm but at least turn the fucking filtering off

>>8739096
no, it looks better

played sigil; liked it
was literally like playing thy flesh consumed 2

>>8739072
...GoldSrc is 3D. What are you even saying?

>>8739098
hello graf

>>8738969
Hey frens, I got a fun idea for a mod. Probably already been done, but I wouldn't know coz I'm a newfag.
Its a multiplayer, a whole bunch of levels, where each person plays as a classic FPS character. BJ, Doomguy, Quakeguy, Duke, Lo wang, Caleb, Gordon Freeman.
Everyone gets their weapons from each game, and you can only kill the enemies from their game, and only get items from your game. You can pick them up and give them to other players, but you cant use them. This creates a whole thing where you're trying to get a specific teammate over to your location, could be a bit of fun. Thoughts?

>>8739119
That's great anon you should make it and we'll all play it one night.

>>8739121
I'll get started

>>8739119
Sounds like somewhat of a combination of Samsara and Ikaruga, could be fun

>>8739119
A novel idea but what happens when Lo Wang gets bodyblocked by a hoarde of pinkies and Doomguy is off on the other side of the map jerking off?

>>8738304
>All we need now is the Archvile that is the HR Giger Girl
has it ever been stated that design is the archie?
because i know doom 64 was based off ps1 doom and that port couldn't get the archvile to work
it can make sense if the design is infact the archvile itself because until the 2 headed dog or more cybernetic cyberdemon, i can't see them cook up a whole new complex set of abilities for that female demon creature
i do like to think that doom 3 should have used this design instead of their "just the base archvile but fatter and no mouth tubes" version

>>8739141
I guess I'd try to make it less hallway-focused and a bit more linear. I like the idea that they all work as a team, and stay together someway. Maybe swap it for a specialty system- Doomguy gets the shotgun, Lo gets the Katana, BJ gets the machine gun, etc. I can change the enemies/bosses so there's less of them but they're stronger, and have each one vulnerable to a specific gun.

>>8738973
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/73426-share-your-sprites/?page=65&tab=comments#comment-2470938
master chief in doom

>>8739086
what are the lore implications of this video?

Is doomguy a psychopath?

Repostan from past thread
>I'm interested in playing some good looking deep cavern levels with nil breaches of sunlight, or just with any setting that mostly takes place underground really -- like sewers. I got mainly inspired by Ultima Underworld and Arx Fatalis, so I'd like to see how pretty things could be done in practice with Doom engine. Please leave a suggestion if anything springs into your mind.

>>8738304
>>8739147
Im not that anon but Im guessing he meant either of pic related - the bottom two are actually from the same source - a sleeve for the album Brain Salad Surgery by ELP, left one on the outside, right when opened. I wouldnt be suprised if archvile was inspired by giger's works

>wanna play Skull Tag Hotel
>can't find a download fucking anywhere
What gives? I want solid spooks.

E1M9 should have had the plasma gun so you get at least something out of finding it

>>8739460
The plasma gun wasn't for freefags.

>>8739336
The model for the upper 2 paintings killed herself after dating Giger

>>8738501
I love TNT, but it is what it is and it's not for everyone.

>>8739034
Lots of people don't like those extensive Drake O'Brien style adventures no matter what, so don't labor it too much if some people don't like it.
I'd say to never do backtracking which doesn't feel significant, make sure to add in more monsters and supplies so that it stays interesting, make the player fight through it, maybe even alter the geometry so they can't go the exact way back, activate some crushers, etc.
I'd also say that if a map is really large, make a good chunk of it a single optional secret area, the exploration is part of the fun with maps like these.

Whatever you do though, try to keep progression obvious, and never, NEVER EVER do a Disaster Area. Ever.

>>8739503
>fun games made /vr/ better

>>8738969
aaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>8739462
eh they could've added it in later releases, like the switch for the megaarmor in E1M1

>>8739503
masterpiece pistol balance
imagine ideas, finish projects
jesus seems mortem
long big thinking
let hate start design
show guys, night feel made /vr/ better
discuss secret hitscanners anniversary
mancubus either wants feeling, talking, meaning
brain fighting wonder
vertical demons longest technically

>>8739523
Romero only made that change for deathmatch.

>>8739034
You might want to check out based.wad. Very much like Drake O'Brien and plays decently.

>>8739505
>I love TNT, but it is what it is and it's not for everyone.
I’ve been going through it again as well, it at least makes pistol starting it snappy. Some of the maps are more straightforward than I remembered.

>>8739525
>masterpiece pistol balance
Halo CE Magnum

>>8739579
It works because the game has a two-weapon limit. It wouldn't be as necessary if you could carry everything at once.

>>8739495
Proof. And how long after. Like immediately, or years later?

>>8739584
The weapon limit and lack of ammo placements are the reason I don’t use it more in the initial campaign.

>>8739147
i wouldn't mind D64 revenant as her, summoners were pretty much female archviles, while archviles were the hard mofos

Saints WAD update:

The textures are in a WAD, and it fucking works. This is where the fun begins.

ogre

>>8739336
"Oh my god she's so beautiful"
- Mike Dawson

Is there a 12/13" business looking laptop with an AMD APU in it with >= 120hz display?

>>8739618
Just googling “giger girlfriend suicide” gave me this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Tobler

Seems she did it a few years after returning from the states and resuming her relationship with Giger.

>>8739579
Eh, it's only perceived to be as strong as it is because it and the sniper rifle are the only weapons able to headshot, and headshots insta-kill anything without shields. The bullet spread is significant (seemingly greater than any other Halo pistol) and it just kinda plinks off shields. Even unshielded body shots aren't particularly impressive in terms of damage.

this mod is fucking BONKERS
look at the amount of shotguns up in this bitch

>>8739791
>no keltec
aw

>>8739791
what mod is this?

>>8739834
no i will not play blood

>>8739834
No you reddit dog

Chex Quest 2 has surprisingly good level design

Memoirs of magic kicks ass. Completely written in doom engine, you can run this in gzdoom or whatever. The artstyle reminds me of N64 games like Glover, and there’s plenty of Zelda references in the dungeon designs. The author injects certain elements in the art that are best ignored.
Although it’s open world you’re sure not getting past the second dungeon without doing the first, or third without the second, etc. Once you get enough cash to upgrade your strength and weapons it’ll become smooth though. Except before that you need to upgrade speed to even reach the second dungeon.
Speaking of difficulty most of the enemies do not play fair. This is an fps bullet hell. The dungeon traps are grueling as well.
After that is lots of exploring, there’s a ton of content in this game. You might even turn on degreeless mode and just look around the world.

>>8739086
this replay is awesome

it leaves such an impression, a memory on me

ugh it was such a good idea to run it on nightmare. It would be so boring looking for secrets without enemies to spice it up

the more difficult, larger maps are such a playground 2b honest

regular doom tuber playthroughs are on UV or blackmetal (brutal doom added difficulty)

ugh you can just tell when he gets hit it leaves doomguy furious and less willing to make the same mistake that got him hit in the first place. Theres so much emotion in this piece of art (the good emotion: rage)

in simple terms its entertainment being delivered constantly at high speeds. Theres also a constant flow of opportunities of entertainment (respawning enemies)

honestly respawning enemies gives the map so much entertainment value than just the regular UV spawns. UV is okay but only when you play it by yourself. Since spectators arent playing its easy to be bored by slow regular human mental processing and reaction speed

this video is probably as close to as entertaining as watching a bunch of hungry lion killing a bunch of unarmed people in a gladiatorial arena sense

also btw speedruns are fucking boring and the only people who find them rewatchable multiple times entertaining is likeminded autistic speedrunners

>>8739880
honestly I'd like to think the respawning enemies are enemies teleporting in from the warp

also warhammer is cool btw

>>8739503
>particular implemented revenant

>>8739889
Seeing how kaiser was happy with that...

>>8739791
gimme the name anon

threadly reminder

>indie uses GZDoom as their engine
>Runs like dogshit while having Piratedoom-tier sprites

>>8739675
based screen photo boomer

>>8738969
>a map shaped like a hand
good thing it wasn't a map shaped like a dick

>build map in Doom Builder
>hit "test map"
>E1M1 loads up
Uh sure.

>>8739995
You must've picked the wrong format.

>>8739997
It worked earlier. That's what's confusing me. When I took the picture >>8739675 here it worked just fine.

>>8739872
I find the gameplay to be pretty shit and the dungeons are fucking obnoxious. There's ambition there and a fuckload of content as you said, which is why it pisses me off so much that the dev's collapsed star density autism had him leave the gameplay in such a sorry state, there's a reason why no one really talks about that game, and it isn't because of the imp running around in assless chaps or the hawkman with the big fucking bulge.

>>8740004
I had a feeling it wasn’t play tested probably, the difficulty is beyond “6000 hours in quake” and “dev is bored of how easy it is”. It’s simply artificial, for example the stone golems that can instantly kill you with their AoE rocket punches but take at least 50 hits to kill (by the way we trapped you in an arena with 5 of them good luck). The lack of health pickups greatly punish the player, who already has to conserve resources for the lengthy dungeons, the only respite are the distantly scattered inns or campfires.
The absolute grind of the bosses is immeasurable, you need the summons which you only get after an even more bullshit boss fight. It requires a ton of time investment from the player to defeat just one, and it never stops amping up.
Kudos if you can make it through the entire game. At a certain point your character does become insanely strong, but you’ve pretty much beaten everything except the final boss by then.

>>8739931
you best not be talking shit about pirate doom, the gold standard in doom piracy

>>8740063
I've spoke with the dev about this and he bragged about he or his playtesters never had any problems. So their autism is either off the charts or they were playing multiplayer with infinite respawns.
Either way fuck the poison spiders, fuck the ropers, and fuck some of the bosses.

I usually skip secret levels cause they almost always have some sort of gimmick. How much have I been missing out on?

>>8740063
this sort of makes me want to play it
i don't even have the motivation to play games unless they're retardedly difficult

>>8740002
Since you actually took a picture of your screen, I'd argue you did something wrong.

>>8740080
Anon i. . .

>>8740080
I usually don't play secret levels because I don't find the secret exit

Lads forgive me for being dull but what am I doing wrong: If I have a GZDoom game on my backup harddrive it saves games to the /Saves subdirectory like you'd imagine.
But if I use it in Steam (I like to track playtime) it starts doing all kinds of retarded stuff:
>saves inside of AppData>
>If I change save_dir to something like $PROGDIR/Saves it will save to that file but not recognize that there are already other saves in there.
What am I missing to make the install portable? Happens for any GZDoom game but I'm just doing Doom 2 atm

>>8740098
That's just because my capture software didn't want to work.

>>8740208
bro your prt scr key???

>>8740080
I play secret levels every time I can even if it's the puzzle map in Mayhem 17.

>>8740203
This seems to be an issue with the latest version of GZDoom.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/127844-save-game-pathing-issue-with-gzdoom-47/

>>8740208
>my capture software
So you're using a sourceport that can't into screenshots?

>>8739503
>happy hell mapping project
>christ takes cacos

>>8740240
thank god it's not just me
I was going crazy -- setting up directories only for it to shit itself following no logic

>>8739687
I did the same search and only got medical journals for some reason. Thanks.

>>8740208
If Windows: Windows key + print screen, saves to My Pictures.

>>8739687
Doesn't sound like it was related to Giger really. She was depressed when she was with him and when she was away from him. She was just a drug addled nut. These things happen.

>>8740260
>Doesn't sound like it was related to Giger really.
No. I didn’t realize that was you were looking for, and just wanted proof of the suicide.

>>8739503
>chop shitshow

>>8740260
I mean the intense xenomorph rp sex couldn't have helped her situation

>>8739102
Yes, it plays like if Romero mads all of Thy Flesh Consumed and kept it hard like that.

>>8739336
Giger's influences are all over pop culture, Doom would be no exception. I always got his vibes from the unused Arch-Vile model made for Doom 64, the original Arch-Vile is partially inspired by the movie Pumpkinhead (Punchatz had it running in the background while doing the sculpting for it), and the monster in that movie has maybe a little bit of Giger in it. Contrary to the silly name, Pumpkinhead is actually a pretty damn good horror movie.

>>8739824
>>8739898
ATOMRAIN
its on MoDB
Im playing it with BD Monsters Only Fix loading it after the monsters mod
but it should be compatible with any monster/bestiary mod as well
second to last difficulty applies fast monsters by default
its fucking nuts
challenging but fun
Im going through the Nerve episode with it and Im having a blast

>>8739687
>There were reportedly tumultuous goings-on, involving promiscuity by both partners and frequent use of drugs. On one occasion, Tobler failed to appear at the house and Giger, terrified, started frantically looking for her on highways. Eventually, he received a phone call from Tobler, three days later, who informed him that she had to make a trip of extreme urgency (probably with another boyfriend of hers, as remarked by Giger years later). According to the painter, "as of that moment she did, more or less, what she wanted".[2] Giger, who was although madly in love with her, suffered his own psychological problems and agony over his artwork. Giger later stated that he was cheered simply by the fact that Tobler had found another lover, as that would make her happy and also improve Giger and Tobler's life together. It has been acknowledged, however, that Giger also used to see other women, much as Li Tobler had parallel affairs during those years.

Sounds like two mentally ill people being dysfunctional together. Tragic but not uncommon, I think their difference was that Giger had a stronger will to live, hence why he didn't end himself, and instead lived to old age and tripped down the stairs in his own home.
Truly one of the artists for the ages, we're fortunate to have been blessed by his so very strange existence.

>>8740390
>Giger's influences are all over pop culture, Doom would be no exception. I always got his vibes from the unused Arch-Vile model made for Doom 64, the original Arch-Vile is partially inspired by the movie Pumpkinhead (Punchatz had it running in the background while doing the sculpting for it), and the monster in that movie has maybe a little bit of Giger in it.
All this plus the initial idea of Doom was to be a licensed Alien game.

>>8740416
Right, forgot to mention that.
>hey, Aliens was amazing, what if our new game was based on that?
>ths license is available
>eh, nah, let's do our own thing without tying ourselves to Fox
>what if we made a game which was like a blend of themes from Aliens and also Evil Dead 2?

>>8740452
>>what if we made a game which was like a blend of themes from Aliens and also Evil Dead 2?
One of many brilliant choices that led to it still getting content nearly three decades later.
I also enjoy how much this mirrors Blizzard with Warcraft but in a good way.

>>8740064
good mod but the gun sprites are bad_

>>8739102
Thy Flesh Consume is gud other than glitches and the first level where they dont give you enough ammo for the stupid hellbarons

Doom II > Doom

>>8739915
what animal uses two different plurals to describe different species and different individiuals?

>>8740656
Plutonia > The Ultimate Doom > TNT > Doom 2 > Doom

>>8740668
Perdition's Gate > all

>>8740663
octopus
octopuses
octopi

cactus
cactuses
cacti

>>8740680
[citation needed]

>>8739931
What game, because I haven't seen any that run poorly.

>>8740680
Octopuses and octopi means the same thing. Cactuses and cacti means the same thing. Mancubuses and mancubi means the same fucking thing, you wanna-be presciptivist linguist mouth-breather.

>>8740185
So you only play them if you do happen to find it?

>>8740682
>>8740706
wrong

Just going full retard with the creepypasta stuff, are we?

>>8740745
it's a spongebob doom tc, I believe we started at full retard and went from there

why is it that every time i make a tc it's wrong

>>8738969
So, something i noticed with this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvXDIqn-U2Y
Q2 under S3TC has animated skyboxes

and is more linear than Q1's own take on it.

>>8740706
ignoring the forced meme, wasn't the octopus thing a case of the suffix not being a latin conjugation or something meaning -pi was incorrect wholesale, but it's been used for so long it's recognized by oxford types anyway? linguistics can be retarded, but octopi sounds better honestly so fuck it

>>8740757
just make whatever you feel like anon

>>8740768
why is it that whenever i make a tc it's wrong
why is it that whenever i make a tc it's wrong
why is it that whenever i make a tc it's wrong
my leg

>>8740759
and VOGONS has that archived http://vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=1415&menustate=0

>play hellbound for the neat atmosphere and vanilla+ difficulty curve
>all going well
>reach hell
>UV-max records are all like 30 minutes, let alone blind play
I said it before, but man this is draining
Still looks good, although the hell-in-the-void aesthetic is far inferior to the doomcute fest that was the city and techbase levels, maybe the last couple will turn it around

>>8740745
"Mixed bag" epitomizes that TC. I didn't bother to finish it but the sprite work was excellent and everything else sucked. The work of a very promising newbie. The creator will probably get much better as they get older and develop more taste and skill. Maybe Doomer Boards could make a good project out of the sprites and theme.

>>8740790
I stopped here, but I was impressed with this part, so there's already signs of improvement.

>>8740787
Map 29 will probably be a little too draining for you, because holy shit that is one slog of a map.

fungus
funguses
fungii

>>8740840
is there a mushroom mancubus sprite
there should be

>>8740842
>It was never the demons at all
>It was the mushroom people

>>8740842
And he launches spores that do damage on impact and cause lingering damage clouds.

i have this shit on my laptop called asus splendid that makes the colors and color temperature of my monitor not the eye-rapingly blue default driver settings, and for some fuckin reason zdoom is the only source port that turns it off in fullscreen mode (latest chocolate, crispy, prb+, and gz don't mess with it). now why come the fuck that is?

>>8740701
Hedon
but also mods like say Wolfenstein Blade of Agony
FWIW I'm talking 70fps instead of steady 144

>>8738969
The Mega needs the latest version of Ion Maiden/Fury added. Not the best game but it's pretty fun.

>>8741058
>Not the best game
name 10 that are better

>>8741067
Snake 1, Snake 2, Tetris
Nah in all seriousness I do think it's still great but the later levels aren't as interesting as earlier ones imo

Hey fuckhead, do you still want to do that HFFM expansion? And if so, when? I'd love to make a Young Man's Chaingunner Association map

>>8741054
Ah. BoA I agree with. Haven't had any issue with hedon, but my monitor is shit so I wouldn't notice anything less than whatever-the-shit it is

>>8739503
>>8740298

>>8741081
ah, I haven't made it that far lol
only on e1m4 or something

>>8741110
ah, it's just personal opinion. i still found it fun the whole way thru

>>8741109
That's it chop, you've kept me waiting long enough, and now it's time for your punishment

>>8740476
They're from Outlaws, they arent original. They look shitty because theyre supposed to look like a cartoon.

>>8741110
the first handful of levels are the city stuff
after that practically every level is a generic factory or sewer or lab

>>8740476
That's why you play it with High Noon Drifter.

>>8741132
What are you gonna do, take my porn?

>>8741279
You're playing with fire, little man. Watch THIS!

>>8741282
W-what are you doing with that stick of butter?

>>8741285
Checkmate Liberal

>>8740873
brap

>>8741285
Thats string cheese, my non-American amigo.

>>8741082
>Young Man's Chaingunner Association

>>8741298
Whatever you say, fatso. You gonna talk about Doom or nah?

I'm currently pistol starting Sunlust

It's too hard for me and I should probably climb a ladder of progressively harder .wads and come back to it later

>>8741082
Didn't he say something like sometime after 94 Protons? Ergo still years away.

>>8741312
>You gonna talk about Doom or nah?
You gonna finish 94 protons or nah?
>>8741314
You're right, guess we won't be seeing that for a loooong time.
Say, what's that mean for 25 Frags? Which comes first?

Boy, you know I'm an old fogey when software which was released 10 years ago is new and exciting for me.

>>8741323
>You gonna finish 94 protons or nah?
Yes. Also not my post.

>>8741384
God DAMN, no wonder you're taking so long. Take all the time you need.

>>8741384
>twerking cyberdemon

>>8741389
That's Adrian Carmack's effort, not mine, I've only started working on this dude.

>>8741421
I dunno man, it looks like you made him thicker. The dude's been getting his squats in, clearly. Glutets for the sloots.

>>8741384
>>8741389
>>8741404

>>8741428
>>8741435
lmao, the wide legs are already there, I'm using the R667 Annihilator as a base

>>8741435
>>8741448
Wait, what's being changed exactly?

>>8741454
My sexuality.

Based

>>8741234
I love sewers and labs so maybe I'll be ok who knows

Requesting the version of this with Duke Nukem and his arm is a leg. My dumbass didn't save it.

>>8741521

>>8741524
Beautiful. Thank you. Have some more good shit in return

>>8741521
I'd post that other one where it's doomguy berserking an imp but my doom folder is large and I don't remember if I even downloaded it

>>8741603
I got it.

>>8739507

>>8741471
No seriously, what's so different about this from the realm667 annihilator that made it take so much prep time?

man the Duke moon levels kinda suck ass

>>8741714
the first episode is the worst one

Haven't visited /vr/ in a long while, very glad these threads are still going, was a little worried the trend would stop after a while. Keep fighting the good fight /vr/os

>>8740080
I've taken the secret exit to Map31 so many times I forgot what the normal exit for Industrial Zone looks like.

>>8740251
That first one is a legitimately great collab name
I think we should remember that one

>>8740080
The one secret I especially thought wasn't worth it was the one in Scythe 2.

>The means to get there in MAP15 is well hidden but has a point of no return if you didn't pick up on it
>MAP31 is cute but can be a ballbuster if you wish to go to the super secret due to a strict time limit
>MAP32 is just pulling off a E3M9

Only advantage is that you can keep your weapons instead of taking a death exit, this and MAP31 more or less defeat the novelty of MAP16 entirely.

>>8741840
have you played HFFM and ad mortem anon?

>>8740214
>>8740245
>>8740257
Thanks guys I'm too old for this shit I'm almost 30. Any guess why it's not loading the custom map on testing?

>>8741312
>pistol starting Sunlust
At least pistol start easier wads first. Sunlust is for when you want to get into big leagues. Depending on what you have beaten earlier, pistol starting NEIS could be a good idea.

>>8741904
>not pistol starting

Pistol starters are so obnoxiously elitistic that they remind me of speedtrannies. I suggest we call them pistoltrannies from now on, maybe that'll make them understand how annoying and stupid they really are.

>>8742037
>trannie trannie trannie trannie trannie
if only there was a way to make you understand how annoying and stupid you really are

>>8742038
t. pistoltranny

>>8740080
Thats the reason I like them, a nice gimmick to refresh the levelset, especially in a megawad with consistent gameplay and artstyle where you can get tired of it
Pumpkination in Ad Mortem and Club Boom in 2048 units of /vr/ were fucking great, so I guess you missed out on some fun.

>>8741993
>not armless starting

>>8742076
Homestar?

>>8742076
You can't drop your fists, you boney dummy!

>>8742087
you can in DRLA. It kills you.

>>8742090
That's why you can't drop them, you're going to explode spontaneously and die

is there a reason to not use fancier compatability levels when making a map? aside from not needing the features or doing a throwback it seems there's no real issue in MBFor MBF2 aside from lack of gz combatibility

>>8738969
>4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games (pre-configured):
>https://mega.nz/folder/CldGAahb#yn_8LkRHraywPgKJMp5pqA
the dude updated Tomb Raider 1, thanks dude

>>8741854
Ditto

>>8742207
No Anon, you're mistaken. That's a Slowpoke.
This is a Ditto.

>>8741856
Suburban-themed maps fighting against the Hellowner’s Association

>>8738973
Was away for some time, it is weird it didn't get into /vr/ news:

02-26: Android Raze Touch was rebranded into Zeta Touch and updated including Eduke32 (along with Raze itself) as an additional engine that can run Ion Fury - http://opentouchgaming.com/zeta-touch/

I've checked it on my potato phone, and Ion Fury requires minimal setup, but runs too slow. Should be fine on high-end phones.

I made a pickup sprite for the Fire Flower, this thing's done so all that's left are two weapons for this set, brightmaps, and some other shit.
I really gotta take a break after this update.

>>8742214
let's fuckin go

Name one (1) wad more overrated than Eviternity

>>8742273
brutal doom c. 2015-17

>>8742140
thanks for reminding me of this upload, I was looking for Jeid knight 2&3 before so now I can finally replay them

>>8742273
Your favorite wad

>>8740004
>imp running around in assless chaps
sounds like HFFM

>>8742273
Scythe 2.

>>8742308
Which map filtered you?

>>8742246
Do the eyes move like Arti's?

>>8742273
Alien Vendetta when it comes to multiplayer.

>>8742273
2048 units of /vr/

>>8741714
The theme/aesthetics arent as cool as the city levels, but the actual level design in E2 is a lot more consistent than E3.

>>8742316
If I could, I'd do that. Though because of the fucked up and hacky method I've had to implement the pickup sprites, making it animated might prove to be tricky.
For context, that sprite there isn't the actual weapon pickup. That's a projectile that's constantly warping on top of the invisible pickup sprite that does the real stuff. This is some gross hack fuckery Yholl helped me come up with to have these items reliably change appearance based on your class.

It's also why my weapons don't respect the weapon stay flag for multiplayer stuff. Zandronum dev seems to be a constant game of doing stupid shit like this.

>>8742335
projectile sprites are animated normally though right? I don't know this hacky fuckery but that shouldn't be too hard

>>8742342
It's mainly due to the a_warp calls involved. So instead of:

Spawn:
TNT1 A 0
TGPU E 1 bright
TNT1 A 0 a_warp (AAPTR_TARGET,0,0,0,0,WARPF_INTERPOLATE|WARPF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
TNT1 A 0 a_checkflag ("SPECIAL","spawn",AAPTR_TARGET)
TGPU E 1 bright
goto death

I'd have to make it really gnarly and do some shit like:


Spawn1:
TNT1 A 0
TGPU E 1 bright
TNT1 A 0 a_warp (AAPTR_TARGET,0,0,0,0,WARPF_INTERPOLATE|WARPF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
TGPU E 1 bright
TNT1 A 0 a_warp (AAPTR_TARGET,0,0,0,0,WARPF_INTERPOLATE|WARPF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
TGPU E 1 bright
TNT1 A 0 a_checkflag ("SPECIAL","spawn2",AAPTR_TARGET)

Spawn2:
TGPU F 1 bright
TNT1 A 0 a_warp (AAPTR_TARGET,0,0,0,0,WARPF_INTERPOLATE|WARPF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
TGPU F 1 bright
TNT1 A 0 a_warp (AAPTR_TARGET,0,0,0,0,WARPF_INTERPOLATE|WARPF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
TNT1 A 0 a_checkflag ("SPECIAL","spawn",AAPTR_TARGET)
TGPU E 1 bright

etc etc. To keep the animation smooth but also to make sure I'm constantly calling the a_warp stuff to keep it on top of the weapon. Though I could maybe use uservar stuff to clean it up a little. Of course with this set up it'd mean the flower could potentially linger for a bit in the world after being picked up, which would look like shit. I could talk with Yholl to figure out a less disgusting method and find a way to keep it on top of the actor itself. But this is ultimately a pain in the ass job that's not worth my time for something so minor. Too much effort and headaches for not a worthwhile payoff. Lord knows I have a lot of other more important shit to handle like brightmaps and some other fairly substantial art stuff that I'm keeping quiet about for now as a surprise.

TL;DR With my current knowledge it'd be a clusterfuck pain in the ass to get working right and I don't think it's worth it, especially when I have much bigger fish to fry for this update.

>>8739460
your reward for e1m9 is more gameplay

>>8741714
I love Lunar Apocalypse

>>8742214
>>8742272
I know Animal Crossing memes in Doom are a tired joke by now but there was this one AC game called Happy Home Designer and you could probably make a good shitpost of a title screen or OP image out of that.

>>8740080
Holy fuck, what
The whole point of a secret level is doing something cool and interesting that doesn't necessarily connect with the rest of the campaign (e.g. Ziggurat Vertigo)
If your secret level is just a regular extension of your WAD, you're doing it wrong

>>8741714
I guarantee you think that because of the drones. They wouldn't be so bad otherwise.

Anon working on the Saints of Virtue wad here, and I'm wondering if some of the mechanics in saints can even be replicated in the Doom engine.

>>8742470
Everything should be doable in GZDoom with ZScript and ACS, the question is how hard it will be to do.

>>8742293
this collection is so awesome

>>8742468
Getting one to explode near your face looks and feels far worse than it actually is, like it would be as damaging as backing up into a coolie from SW. Drones are also far less annoying with “hitscan only” autoaim.

>>8742470
everything should be easy with DECORATE (zscript and ACS is too difficult so don't bother)

>>8742293
Is Draken part of that same pack? It’s very fun if you like Jedi Knight/Academy melee fights.

>>8742513
>the question is how hard it will be to do.
The things I'm stuck on are as follows:

>scroll inventory
>separate inventory for items
>said items can be thrown
Some switches in Saints were legit activated by throwing rocks at them. It was a huge meme at the time, because you could only find two and if you missed with them both, the game was completely fucked.

>>8742580
I'm not familiar with DECORATE but I'll take a look. Thanks anon!

>>8742580
>zscript and ACS is too difficult
ACS is about as hard as DECORATE and ZScript also isn't *that* hard if you have a rudimentary understanding of how programming works.

>>8742335
Hm... I wonder how Samsara managed to pull off weapon stay then.

>>8742594
it is actually, never heard of it before but it looks good

>>8742301
The Imp wore a tight speedo in HFFM.

>>8742301
>>8740004
>>imp running around in assless chaps
d-does he keep the butthole on the sprite from vanilla?

>>8742835
Not that kinda imp.

>>8742434
might as well bring in doge for the ultimate reddit meme experience

Does this get better? I'm pretty bored so far.

I like the level design of doom 64 and doom 2 the way ID did. So far this game has boring level design that amounts to go over there, get the key, now backtrack. Rinse repeat.

And id be ok with that if the combat was good. I've been enjoying playing wads like back to saturn with fun gun mods like treasure weapons, metadoom, Doom RL Arsenal, etc...

But also so far this game has extremely boring combat. Shoot basic bugs with basic weapons, plus the occasional dude who's just an imp.

Is this the whole game?

>>8742948
>Is this the whole game?
No, but if you’re not enjoying a game from the start I wouldn’t keep going “until it’s good”.

>>8742210

>>8742941
Isabelle's already there

>>8741854
Secret exit on Industrial Zone is one of my brightest childhood experiences, was absolutely amazed watching it when my elder brother found it for the first time.

>>8742941
Doge, like the wojak originally came from the chan sites. Reddit merely made it more commonplace.

>>8739503
>joins the marines
>sees the galaxy

>>8742324
>tfw playing av,hr,hr2 coop and survival with and without mods on skulltag

>>8742948
probably the combat was probably balanced for a sega saturn/ pre-dualshock controller.
the combat will be very weak,even next to DOOM 64.

>>8742468
>that loud ass screech
>either travel in packs or ambush behind corners/doorways
>take way too many shotgun/ripper rounds to take down
>programmed to juke rockets
what the fuck were they thinking

>>8742468
Not that anon, but drones aside, episode 2 is different from the other 4. The others (barring 5) were set in L.A. and felt like real locations with tons of interactivity, while 2 is entirely techbases. It's not bad, it has some really great atmosphere supported by the music (Plasma, gut wrencher, in hiding, others,) but it sticks out from the other episodes.

>>8743189
More like “especially next to Doom 64”. Pharaoh mode will alleviate that but even so, the fun with Exhumed is how the level design gets coupled with the ability progression. For encounter design in Egypt I’d point to Serious Sam.

>>8743205
the drones really aren't an issue outside of that level where there's 20 of them right at the start and you don't have the ammo to kill them reliably

>>8743205
>programmed to juke rockets
They’re programmed to avoid explosives in general. You can use this to your advantage with how they’ll pussyfoot around pipes, making them easier to shoot.
>>8743209
Going into space is also classic “Duke”. Episode 2 is my favorite.

>>8743217
>You can use this to your advantage with how they’ll pussyfoot around pipes
They fly though.

>>8743217
Let's be real anon, most of us didn't play the first two dukes. Kinda like how most metal gear fans didn't play the first two games either.

>>8743225
And they still get confused for a moment. Give it a try.

>>8743228
>Let's be real anon, most of us didn't play the first two dukes.
That’s fine, the game catches you up through the help screen and the game starts with Duke complaining about those “alien bastards” having shot down his spaceship.

>>8742880
lame

>>8742273
BTSX.
At least I got up to map15 in Eviternity.

Sorry but the average person doesn't think Duke is better than Doom.

>>8743212
to me DOOM 64 has the weakest combat of classic DOOM (besides DOOM 1) so it being weak next to that is not high marks.

>>8743262
Duke is rememberable af but not that great compared to Doom / Quake / Blood
>40,000 hitscanners
>meme sponge kamakazi robots
Not as bad ("bad" -- they're all fun) as Shadow Warrior though

And they say that Q2 wasn't made with high res in mind.

I still like Shadow Warrior more than Duke 3D. Levels are more fun in my eyes, and the arsenal is excellent.

>>8743278
since all source ports supports .png for UI, a HD version of Oblivion UI wouldn't be a bad idea

Which engine has better games?
Build or id Tech 1

>>8743298
SW weapons feels better than douk 3d

>>8743306
also yamagi needs to fix their GL3.2 forks

>>8743313
>>8743298
>duke nukem
>doesn't actually have a nukem launcher
>SW does
shamefur dispray, can't outbang the wang

>>8743267
>to me DOOM 64 has the weakest combat of classic DOOM (besides DOOM 1)
I agree, it’s also still pretty good. It lacks the full roster but the changes to what’s there are great. I personally rank the original build games lower regarding encounter and combat design.

>>8743298
SW arsenal is great
>two consistently good melee slots
>nukes are their own ammo so you’re still encouraged to shoot rockets
>smooth switching to easily mix up uzi and shotgun damage when reserving explosives
>coolies killed by the shuriken spawn ghosts faster
>railgun
It only sucks if you hate Japan or are easily triggered by 90s racism and his “faggot rabbit” quote. That fireplace ladder is sucky but funny.

>>8743335
B-b-but Errant Signal said

>>8743358
Whomst?

>>8743335
I was a staunch anti-weeaboo faggot when I played SW and it was my favorite of the build trinity and remains so to this day. The grenade launcher is pure sex.
>Faggot rabbit
lol what, never found that one

Speaking of Lo Wang quotes. The best one is "Row row row your boat, a-gentery down the stream! OOH I TINK MY DINGHY HANGING OUT!"

Out of all the Build engine protags, Lo Wang seems to be having the most fun, Caleb's enjoying himself yeah but it's in the same way a kid enjoys pulling the legs off grasshoppers or burning ants with a magnifying glass. Lo Wang's constantly giggling over stupid shit, making prank phone calls and generally being a dingus.

>>8743364
He’s the only build guy that manages to make me chuckle. Duke’s “you guys suck” is the only other followup.

>>8743362
Some faggot youtuber

>>8743380
I love all the build protags but lo wang is hilarious. Some of the stuff he says doesn't even make sense and that makes it even better.
>Revenge is dish best served... RAW

What about the Sneed shooter?

>>8743395
Redneck Rampage? It’s okay. If you hate the first level you won’t enjoy the rest. Canonically, Leonard may also be the gayest of all the build protags.
>”bend over boy, I wanna see if I recognize you from prison”

>>8743402
He also has one of the worst pistols I've seen in an FPS.

>>8743405
It’s not great. At least the range is serviceable and you get the shotgun immediately.

>>8743308
idtech 1, not even close.
Doom 1 is great, Doom 2 is meh but has mod support, Final Doom is the best Doom game.
Heretic is amazing, Hexen even better.
Rekkr is nice, Hacx is campy but ok, Chex is Chex.
Strife is shit but meh.
All build games are jank.

>>8743271
shadow warrior actually keeps you on your toes cause the enemies are dangerous
duke is just boring because the enemies are weak and retarded aside from the battlelords

>>8741067
I unironically think Ion Fury is the best Build Shooter.

Anyone else played Age of Evil? Thoughts?

>>8742087
>>8742093
Unless you're Arti. Hand grenades.

>>8742948
Yes, the whole game is the first few levels, no more enemies or weapons or mechanics are introduced.

>>8743608
Author himself says it's trash.

>>8743205
They were thinking that they didn't like the snakehead and had a short amount of time to replace it with something.

>>8743430
>Doom 2 is meh

think a new duke would have the self awareness to make him a fallen hero that re-earns his big dick persona, or would they just pretend forever didn't even happen

>>8744108
The smart thing would be to write off Duke Nukem Forever as some sort of fever dream borne from Duke enduring a bad case of food poisoning.
>nobody messes with my meat!

>>8744130
Duke Nukem Forever is actually fine if you consider the implied canon from The Doctor who Cloned Me, which is that everything Duke does in that game that's out of character is because he's actually a Dukebot.

>he still crying over DNF

>>8744178
Who are you quoting?

30 years old...

>>8744184
I only ever got to the 2nd floor but I liked what I played of it. Would really benefit from a RE effort.

>>8744174
>Duke Nukem Forever is actually fine if you consider the implied canon from The Doctor who Cloned Me
No, it's just less of an atrocity, but as a game it's still objectively bad.

>>8744178
I also seethe over Blood 2. Some sequels are so bad that they are actually criminal.

Finally beat hellbound after putting it off, 29 was indeed huge but the straightforward layout and saves made it much less of a strain than the others, aside from pain elementals and 3 halls in a row dumping 100 rockets on you and telling you to hold M1, ending in "surprise" archies you need to bait out
30 was a bit of a mess, key hunting in lava with a sextouple spawn launcher is retarded but once you figure out that there's a single lift tucked in a random corner that leads to both keys it makes more sense. Still kind of a mess, final stage must be a bitch saveless with what a clusterfuck it becomes and all the godforsaken lost souls and elementals drawing your autoaim away from the romero hole
Very atmospheric overall, 100/10 detailing in the cities, drags a bit in hell though, and some secrets are absolutely esoteric thanks to the detailng being so dense you won't notice the one thing out of place
Either way thanks for the rec back when
/blog

>>8744108
>fallen hero that re-earns his big dick persona
I like the idea, but they can't do this without ignoring or at least heavily retconning forever, because although he is a shithead, the game still depicts him to be in the right with everyone sucking his dick.
Also obligatory fuck the hive level.

>>8744130
>his borgar was poisoned by randy's grease
>have to stop him from slandering duke's name thus allowing an alien invasion in unopposed, somehow

>>8744193
I meant in terms of long-term effects on the brand, It could be safely ignored in the event of a new Duke game.

Name a better year

>>8744201
>"forever" is diagetically a movie/game, recieved as well as it was here, open on duke drowning his sorrows while bar patrons mock him, queue alien threat, time to reclaim his image and fuck up his producer, randy
>dukebot theory confirmed, the reel dook has no idea what the fuck is going on but some fake fagit is hogging all his glory and babes and needs to reacquire both by proving he's the true king and killing the mastermind behind the scheme, pandy ritchford
I dunno I'm sure there's something you could do, as long as there's some point where you can violently maul a randy standin over and over

>>8744206
Unreal, and Thief alone have 1998 beating it out for me.

I hate picrel. There's so many different mechanics that just don't work together.
>Rats are hard to spot
>Flame-shooting pricks explode on death, making them a pain to deal with when 90% of weapons are close range and gameplay is about momentum
>Jump pads - frequently used in the game's design - are easily missable because you're constantly jumping
>Bunnyhopping is no longer a reward, but an easy mechanic
>Because of above, plebs like me have a shit time aiming because we haven't developed our bunnyhopping skills alongside our aim

>>8744252
Get good.

>>8744252
>blames the game
>admits he sucks
I can recognize dusks flaws, but its fun as hell and you only arent enjoying it by your own admission because you arent good at its core design

>>8744284
its core design is horseass

>>8744329
4u

exterminate xenos

Has anyone played Elysium's Curse? I saw a preview of it and it looked really good, and no one has mentioned it

>>8744252
>>Flame-shooting pricks explode on death, making them a pain to deal with when 90% of weapons are close range and gameplay is about momentum
How the fuck do you define a "close range" weapon?

>>8744412
I gave the first level a try for just a bit. It does seem good, and a bit tough. It's really pretty.

>>8744085
He's right though. Doom 2 is saved by the community.
I can replay Doom 1 infinitely, but with Doom 2 I get bored/annoyed on MAP06 at the latest.

Just installed Arcane Dimensions a few weeks ago and I've been loving every second of it. I've almost finished every level on hard and started delving into a few on Nightmare, I just gotta wrap up finding secrets and collecting all the runes.

>>8744548
It's ridiculous how good AD is, it's true.

>>8744252
only thing i hate about these new retro fps games is how badly optimised they always are, game looks worse than quake but barely runs on my potato pc

So like the japanese community, what with their cool mapping project, are they doing alright? It must be rough since PC gayming is already niche, let alone an ancient game that likely didn't have the same cultural impact to keep it alive. Hope the slanty doom frens have enough people to talk to and keep things alive, maybe we'll see fresh faces make some cool stuff some day

>>8744612
That's the power of Unity and Unreal, apparently. Why they don't just use the Quake engine for these early-3D throwbacks, especially one as advanced as FTE, is beyond me.
I mean really... is your source code - in which you're presumably just trying to emulate 90s shooters anyway - that precious? Do you really need a deferred rendering engine that can do a bajillion dynamic lights when what you're trying to grift on got by fine with lightmaps?
As many problems as I have with Ion Fury, I can at least respect it for using the Build Engine - and likewise Wrath with Quake (even though its shitplaces). Massive respect to Rekkr as well.

hey guys which one should i get? blood fresh supply or pirate the original?

>>8743617

>>8744531
That's retarded. Doom 2 is way better than 1.

>>8744531
IMO, Doom 2 doesnt get good until Tricks & Traps

I prefer 2 because of how much I love using the Super Shotgun, and the new enemies add a lot to the game. Some of the levels I'll admit look really weird, but the combat encounters in them are a lot of fun.

>>8744635
Unreal is massively optimized, it's just bad developer practices. Unreal is the poster-child for looks great, runs great when in the right hands.
>Why they don't just use the Quake engine for these early-3D throwbacks
The biggest thing holding back people from doing that normally is there is no editor that allows you to see your lighting as it is in-game. Trenchbroom is one of the finest mapping tools ever, and developers for Wrath use it, but imagine making a map rife with complex geometry just like Wrath, but every time you want to see your lighting you HAVE to compile EVERY time. Unity and the rest don't have this problem.

>>8744737
Wait shit no, I think J.A.C.K. lets you see your lighting as it is in-game, but that editor is fucking aids.

>>8744740
It does not, unless that was added in versions after they paywalled it

>>8744742
Hammer++ for Source engine games does have a real time lighting preview mode though, pic related. Makes lighting maps a breeze

>>8744737
>The biggest thing holding back people from doing that normally is there is no editor that allows you to see your lighting as it is in-game.
Sure, but iD was able to cope with that perfectly fine in the 90s without such luxuries as fill lights or sunlights. Crack open any id1 map and there's a light entity every couple meters. If they could cope with it on the shit hardware they had back then I have no sympathy for these indie plebs.

>>8744740
It lets you preview shaders and skyboxes, but not lighting. I think the developer said it was planned though.
>but that editor is fucking aids
What's wrong with it?
t. JACK buyfag

>>8744747
>but iD was able to cope with that perfectly fine in the 90s without such luxuries as fill lights or sunlights
Yes, but I don't see you developing a game on id1. You can champion it all you want, but I don't blame devs for wanting to see their lighting when you yourself aren't either.
>What's wrong with it?
It's aids compared to TB is all.

>>8744686
A blood-fountain "rocket" punch would be a cool secret move.

>>8744749
>It's aids compared to TB is all.
It's certainly oldschool, but I find it much easier to work with complex geometry. The fact that I can just plop down prefab spiral staircases, curved ramps, and anything else based around a circle without having to carve out a new, grid-restricted pseudo-circle for every different size area I'm working with makes things leagues easier. Being able to rotate and scale selected vertices around a given point is phenomenal too.
I'll admit I really miss TB's UV editor though. Lining up textures from trim sheets can be a pain without it, but it's still doable.

>>8744761
>The fact that I can just plop down prefab spiral staircases, curved ramps, and anything else based around a circle without having to carve out a new, grid-restricted pseudo-circle for every different size area I'm working with makes things leagues easier
Is there a torrent of this jack?

>>8744763
Maybe. There is a free version that's just the regular thing but behind on updates, though I'm not sure how behind it is in terms of actual features.
You can find it here: https://jack.hlfx.ru/en/

>>8744774
Fuck it I'll give it a buy and see what's up. You fucking shill. Prefabs sold me.

>>8743608
>Drowning out and ego review were 5 years ago

>>8744779
Alright shit this primitives system is really fucking cool. I'll keep it and fuck around.

Who the hell puts items, ammos, powerups in everywhere, even in a hell?!?!

>>8744796
The UAC equipment is probably stuff dropped by other marines while fighting the demons, or stuff they dropped while being zombies, OR the demons themselves took some them either as trophies, or maybe just out of some weird curiosity.
The powerups are condensed devil magicks and human souls crystalizing and forming near all that freaky hell shit.

>>8744796
when jesus conquered death hell and the grave he left gifts for doomguy

>>8744779
>>8744791
Yeah man, it's good shit. Get comfy with arch settings and they'll be your best friend.
Make sure you turn on "don't snap primitive points to integer grid" in settings if you don't want to be grid cucked. It *might* cause compiling issues but I've rarely had problems.

Playing some cool wads on my hacked switch via gzdoom.

What are some QoL mods that help with using a controller? Especially for mods that have a shit ton of guns or features. I don't have enough buttons, but thats the price you pay to be able to play at work while my machine runs

>>8744956
Gearbox, I guess. https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=71086
Alternatively you could just play mods that don't have so much arsenal bloat.

>>8744959
But all that crazy shit is fun

>>8744964
I burned out on that shit myself years ago when I realized how annoying it was having to cycle through four to five weapons per slot and how quickly redundant the weapons become.

>>8744959
What's the difference here?

>>8744970
I assume one is for LZDoom and the other is GZDoom.

>>8744969
That's why i need to dedicate a button to weapon drop.

But i use a different weapon pack with each level pack.

>>8744973
Less is more, Anon. When you get the chance try Project Babel, DAKKA, or Final Doomer.

Best mini map mod?

>>8744745
>Hammer
why wont the voice in my head stop

Is it just me or is this basically the At Doom's Gate?
https://youtu.be/1lxMXofaNiY

Doom 2 has higher highs and lower lows than Doom 1, in my opinion. The Cyberdemon and Spiderdemon infighting was raw as hell.

>>8744990
Doom clicker

>>8744990
Plutinya

SED1 has real time lighting in the editor.

>>8744085
I stand by what I said.
>>8744531
Yeah, I usually play all maps in order to MAP06, then idclev to all the other maps I like, like Tricks & Traps.
>>8744708
Nope, Doom 1 has better textures, atmosphere, level design. The only thing 2 has over 1 is the roster and the SSG, but those are used in a shit kind of way in Doom 2.
>>8744710
I actually agree, but map01-06 are like bread. Plain, you kinda got tired of eating it, but it fills a need.

>>8745053
huh?

i mean a fucking mini wuto mapper

>>8745110
Level design in doom 1 sucks.

>>8745129
>Level design in doom 1 sucks
Now give your assessment of Doom 2 level design, please.

Does anyone have any articles or tips on designing secrets?

>>8739525
>vertical demons longest technically
infinitely tall monsters

>>8745126
You asked for miniature maps.

Is there a entire archive of the cacoawards files in one download anywhere?

Hey fellow Doomers! Can any of you recommend me a mod/WAD that's not only good but also comes close to vanilla Doom 2 and is actually balanced?
I've played a lot of mods/WADs already but it's hard to find one that comes close to the vanilla Doom 2 experience, because most of them focus too much on looks and not enough on balance (so many of them just randomly spam monsters everywhere for example, even on easy mode).

I need ideas for buildings for a gas station/outpost sort of area

>>8745307
Play Ashes 2063

>compet-n apparently getting taken down for good this summer
i'm more of a quake guy but lol what the fuck? is anyone working on preserving it?

>>8745307
you're working on a wad where you play as romero?

>>8744635
That's just optimization in a novice ls hands. It's not an issue for most people, and if your a one man team it might be better to focus your efforts elsewhere.
There are some pants on head retarded choices made in dusk though. Like large(ish) textures for things that could've been 128x128 maps. That's not likely what's eating your performance, but I assume there's some other shit going on too.
Scymanski or however it's spelled is definitely getting better at the art side of things.
One manning a project isn't easy, I can see how someone might just say "fuckit" in a fair few cases.

>>8744784
They made a good duo.

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>>8745347
Definitely throw some references to this image in there.

>>8745339
Wut? Why's it being taken down?

>>8744635
It's not (completely) due to Unity. It's indie "developers" not having a clue and Unity making it too easy.
They were forced to fix it in the Switch port, it initially ran at 20fps but they achieved 60 in the end. But that was years after it was released, and they didn't backport the improvements to the PC version.
A few days ago I tried an indieshit unity game (kingdom of the dead? or something) and it ran at about 50fps. I used a graphics profiler out of curiosity, the turd was doing over 50K drawcalls (this is well over 10 times more than the most extreme scenes in eternal or cyberpunk). Why? It was drawing projected shadows for over 100 light sources all over the level, none of which was even visible.
Most indie developers should be shot. Thanks for attending my ted talk.

>>8745363
>One manning a project isn't easy, I can see how someone might just say "fuckit" in a fair few cases.
That ended up being the best decision it seems. I can dislike the models and environments as much as I want, but most don’t seem to care and he got the game out when “retro shooter” interest was peaking. Now it has to compare with the new Quake port with new models, way more content, and often at half the price that Dusk asks for.
Seems like you can get some nicely detailed levels if you’re willing to put in the time, too. Gloomwood also looks like a huge improvement, I’m glad he’s taking his time with it even if that gives people more time to digest quality Thief content.

>>8745391
http://www.doom.com.hr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=846&p=5451#p5451
it is time to DBR to step up and get the rights and the database, this cant be lost.
It needs to be archived.

>>8745402
>It's indie "developers" not having a clue and Unity making it too easy
And that's not exclusive to 3d or 3d fps games either
All those fucking stupid indie devs can mess up even a 2d "retro/pixel/whatever the fuck styled" game to slow down to a halt on good computers - imagine that - a game supposed to mimic games on far weaker old hardware can't run on newer computers. Also adding insult is the fact few of them actually understand pixelart and tilework well, I played a point n click "gods will be watching" which is god awful because pixels in some backgrounds and sprites are larger/smaller than pixels in others, and sprites move smoothly next to one another which is a fucking eyesore and mess.
Sorry for off topic, we probably shouldnt talk about dusk or other new games.
Lately Ive realized Jedi Knight 2 & 3 were made by Raven, which kinda explains the shift to 3rd person melee combat in Heretic 2 - it probably served as a benchmark for them to make jedi outcast and to model the combat after

>>8745339
purists lost

>>8745512
>I have no mouth and I must unf

>>8745402
Doesn't unity have automatic occlusion? Why would it be turned off? Or why wouldn't they manually occlude things out of sight with some simple zoning?
I'm one of these retarded devs, but I guess I'm not as stupid as some.

>>8745450
>Lately Ive realized Jedi Knight 2 & 3 were made by Raven, which kinda explains the shift to 3rd person melee combat in Heretic 2 - it probably served as a benchmark for them to make jedi outcast and to model the combat after
Kind of sad how much that style and approach to melee combat is as much of a lost art as 6DOF gameplay.

>>8743968
i won't hear a word against waterworks, that's a great fucking level

>>8745558
Last time I checked, Unity doesn't occlude anything by default, it just does basic frustum culling. Culling has to be set up manually.
I mean, literally just read the fucking manual: https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/OcclusionCulling.html
More importantly, run your fucking game under a profiler or graphical debugger, so you can catch gross mistakes (e.g. rendering everything twice, or 8000 shadow casting lights being updated every frame).
Fun fact: culling is fully automatic in DooM. It always works (the wonders of 2D). For Quake, it's part of the map compile, you can skip it but fortunately most people don't, except ironically on fuckhuge maps (Ter Shibboleth / Peril) because it takes too long.

>>8745603
I'm not deep enough into unity to need to worry about it yet. But it's an obvious thing to do.

>>8745603
Ah yeah. Reading the manual it is super fucking simple though. By automatic I didn't mean default. I meant that it's basic shit and doesn't require manually zoning off chunks of the map (except apparently in certain cases). Either way I can't understand why someone wouldn't do it. It's a few checkboxes and a bake to get at least some result.

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>>8744804
I highly advise against the free version of JACK, it has a very serious issue when it comes to saving texture alignments. Instead, use this cracked version dubbed "Cracker Jack" from 2021. It fixes many issues, adds in important features and most special of all, separates itself from Steam.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/iynioy5674y075h/CRACKERJACK.7z/file

Make sure that when you first launch it and set it up, go to the misc tab in the options menu and UNCHECK enable remote storage, otherwise JACK will try to communicate with Steam, fail, and crash.

>>8745665
This needs to go to the op pasta
JACK gets shit done better than TB when it comes to full support to other games and mods.
also it still reads worldcraft maps if i remember well.

>>8745339
I started archiving the profiles of the runners on archive.is. I dunno if there's a faster way to do it other than one by one. Anyone?

>>8745339
purist lost

Some of the levels in Doom 2 have me wondering what the fuck was going on

>>8744431
>tough
The author recommended HMP for fun and UV for a challenge, so I tried HMP yesterday and it didn't seem tough, so I tried UV now and ran into a really clever fight that I'm surprised I've never seen before: archvile imp, with only a shotgun/chaingun. The imps surround you and deplete your ammo while the archie keeps resurrecting shit.

Sign of Torment and Occula are two more new good-looking wads that no one has been talking about here. I imagine they are about as good as Fractured Worlds and Entropy, which I also have not played but are well-received

>>8745790
All workload put on Sandy while the other devs partied or sperged out. He managed to squeeze out a few cool ideas under all that.

Oh god, this is Occula map01 on easy difficulty, and yes difficulty settings are implemented

>>8745741
Alright it's done.
Search for compet-n on archive.is and you should find all the player pages.

>>8745790
still better than tnt

>>8745854
Great work.
>>8745835
Looks good. I’ll still respect the author if they note that they only balanced for one difficulty, but I feel that balancing around “multiple difficulties” should be a standard.

>>8745815
Sign of Torment seems the easiest of the three so far, even on UV, and also the moodiest, so I'm gonna do this one first. I usually loathe exploration-type wads but this one has the music and atmosphere to make it work. I'm not even a secret hunter, but it has a very obvious locked door with a secret key on map02 that has me hunting

Do any of you play through a level in something, subconsciously recognize familiar geometry, then get a sense of deja vu?

An invisible stairset that reveals itself as you climb up

Why yes, I DO crank up the contrast, saturation, and bloom.

>>8745886
Not quite the same thing but this room always gave me a weird kind of tingly feeling, I always just liked it and couldn't explain way. It wasn't until decades later people came up with the term "liminal spaces". I don't even know if that's the same thing, but I don't know how else to describe it. If I were an ancient man stumbling across this area I would say it feels like a holy place.

Thoughts about Metroid: Dreadnought?
It makes Samus faster than Doomguy and more powerful weapons overall too. Do you think Samus would be better than Doomguy?

>>8745952
I like using GZDoom for bloom and my favorite improvement, brightmaps. The default ones are pretty lazy though.

>>8745958
If you want my take, ancient hominids before building houses tried to search for caves and rock crevices that were roomy enough to live in and with some natural upper light source filtering in.

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Just to add my two cents to this, HROT is amazing in this department.
I think that it can run on Windows XP.

>>8745978
One day I’ll be able to stomach the weapon animations and sounds and enjoy it.

>>8745958
i don't believe in liminal spaces
i know the feeling they're talking about and it has nothing to do with liminality

Hey Babel anon, I can't load babel_test.pk3 with WadSmoosh's doom_complete.pk3 iwad. Gives me this error: "Script error, "babel_test.pk3:zscript.txt" line 5: Include script lump FILTEREXTEND.txt not found".

>>8745982
What is liminality?

Last Sign of Torment post for now: man, this wad is WEIRD. Weird, fun, and comfy/easy on UV despite its name, perfect for a returning Doomer. An anon who contributed a map to Ad Mortem said he liked exploratory maps, and I didn't understand why since I cut my teeth on Scythe and was envisioning getting lost on TNT map06 again, but now I understand why. SOT uses lots of silent teleporters which can make navigation frustrating, and occasionally has a dead-end with a taunting message, but it's all been very cool so far

>>8745958
Trying to beat that level on Nightmare as a kid permanently imprinted that section in my memory forever. I somewhat-correctly assumed that it was impossible

>>8745965
Makes sense

>>8745982
Then what would you call that inexplicable sense of awe and mystery that accompanies witnessing certain seemingly arbitrary configurations of architecture? "Interesting" seems insufficient to me.

Hey Saints anon, previously I posted the zdoom forum link with all Saints assets but just this morning I was sent an email from someone who made this: http://typicalgeek.blogspot.com/2013/05/unpacking-saints-of-virtues-wrs-files.html, they sent me "saints_of_virtue_script.txt" script to use with QuickBMS that extracts everything from a .wrs file (this script was in a google drive that needed a request for access, I requested over 5 months ago), a while ago I was interested in extracting the assets of "ANGST: Rahz's Revenge" which uses the acknex engine like Saints but I couldn't figure out how to other than that zdoom thread but now we don't have to worry about mishandeled/incomplete assets because now you can extract them yourself: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/810405089754873906/956646705850384454/saints_of_virtue_script.txt