/vr/ - Retro Games

>try to keep things /vr/ related
>makes a thread about crt sets instead of video games
Umm yeah why don't you practice what you preach OP

Got 3 CRT monitors from outside of the building that was getting demolished. I assume those were from either a small private business, or someone who collected old tech.

>>8707439
this but unironically
fuck tv cultists who never play games and fuck jannies for keeping them on the board

>tfw made the mistake of briefly taking the RGB pill in buying a set of component cables for a Wii I'm giving to someone to make it look less like ass on a modern hd tv
>now composite on my CRT looks like shit to me

send help I want to take the plunge on going from a consumer crt shitbox to a crt monitor now, I know it's worth it now

>>8707440
Finds like this are pretty rare these days

>>8707489
not sure if i know that feel, I use composite, S-Video and RGB depending on the system

redpill me on developer intentions

why should i care

>>8707561
you shouldn't play how you want to, after all that's why we use CRT's

>>8707489
Composite > RGB

Unironically.

>>8707561
if you're playing a game and you see some funky graphics going on at the edge of the screen, the developer probably intended that to get cut off by overscan. that's about it.

>>8707586
nah dawg dat shit was visible on tvs

>>8707561
You shouldn’t. Ignore these CRT autists if you want.
Best thing is to emulate with ultra sharp pixels on a 85inch modern screen.

>>8707440
Nothing worth keeping here.

>>8707614
uhhh, I meant the opposite, I hook my nes up to a rf transmitter and play it wirelessly on my 1960s b&w television set

>>8707617
This is fine too, if you are going to go the wrong way then you might as well take it to the maximum level of autism. I don’t think you even have a television set but good for you if true.

>>8707617
Wh-what's the input delay like?

>>8707621
Same as any other old TV.
Negligible. The issue with these things is the time they take to “warm up” and display a decent picture. Remember to wipe down the wood panelling and check for wood worm too.

>>8707627
>wireless video has 0 overhead
uh huh, that's why vr headsets use massive cables strapped to your pc

>>8707502
Yep, also found these 2 computers from the same place.
>>8707615
What makes those CRT's not worth keeping?

Can you even do 240p over RF? I never saw any 240p broadcasts back in the day.

>>8707630
Analysing a shitpost. Ok anon.
He doesn’t have a 1960s TV. He doesn’t do anything wirelessly with it.

>>8707635
They’ve had the absolute shit kicked out of them for a starter. The PCs look even worse. Anything even salvageable there?

>>8707636
what does that even mean?
do you know what 240p even is?

>>8707643
Sadly everything else wasn't salvageable like CRT's that had completely destroyed tubes, ancient FM Radios, CD players and some other types of devices that I couldn't identify.

>>8707636
a nes hooked up over rf is still 240p, broadcasts were probably required by the ftc or whoever to be proper 480i since that's the actual ntsc standard

>>8707654
retard

>>8707660
>retard
>equating interlaced broadcast with an electronic that uses a hack of 480i

>>8707664
just stop posting anon, I'm cringing for you

What is a good and affordable way to convert HDMI to RGB scart.

>>8707672
cheap converter from aliexpress, they all are equally shit.

Heres my c64 maxi with one, it outputs 720p 4:3 corrected to it looks little squished I think, picture quality is good enough(looks better irl than in the pictures), the text on the modern interface is readable and the input lag isn't too bad, not lagless but good for cheapo converter, its playable.

>>8708550
another pic

Did Sony ever make any non-flat CRTs with component inputs, or did those appear only with the WEGA line? The flat screen models are known to have worse convergence around the edges, so it'd be nice to have a regular rounded tube with component inputs. Or am I chasing a unicorn?

>>8708582
Oh, I should clarify I am referring to regular consumer sets, not PVMemes, which I find overly sharp.

>>8707440
>let me just throw away these vintage monitors each worth a couple of hundred dollars or more
lol

>>8707440
Is the bottom one a color monitor? I'm interested to see it in action.

>>8708754
Haven't had the chance to test any of these monitors yet, but the bottom one is called Viking 1 https://ia903003.us.archive.org/4/items/bitsavers_monitermbrorGraphicsDisplaySystem_1879763/Viking1-MonitorGraphicsDisplaySystem_text.pdf

>>8708582
yeah just one, late 90s curved XBR trinitron. Don't remember the exact model number. There's also the profeels for the RGBmeme.

>>8708582
Yes, the first mode XBR. Good luck finding it.

>>8708752
I assume demolition workers are not going to know the value of old hardware like CRT's.

>>8708815

>>8707439
Fpbp. Also what the fuck would I play PS2 on besides a CRT. Majority of the library is 480 interlaced. Dreamcast is actually solid on HDTVs and LCD monitors using VGA. Do the people in this general even game?

>>8707561
Because playing on comparable hardware that the developers had at the time is the definitive way to experience the games. That’s all there is to it. You’re giving yourself an inferior expierience playing it any other way.

>>8708550
>cheap converter from aliexpress, they all are equally shit
Yes, but they only convert to composite not rgb. It doesn't have to be a cheapest solution, but it doesn't inspire me to put hundreds of euros into it either.

>>8708935
There were no consumer HD televisions in 1999.

>>8707432
What model is that?

>read the guide
>haha bro just politely ask for a CRT at your news studio :)
Who wrote this garbage

>>8708550
>>8708553
>No HDMI to 240p

Pure Fail

>>8709014
Yet Dreamcast (1998) library is mostly 480p, Gamecube (2001) library is mostly 480p, and Xbox (2001) library is almost entirely 480p. PS2 (2000) is the odd one out.

>>8709446
Only about a fourth of the GameCube library supports 480p (though it looks like most of the games that matter for it did support it), but that is indeed a much higher proportion than for the PS2.

>>8709446
>>8709976
In the PS2's defense, many of the games people actually care about support 480p with even more supporting widescreen.

>>8708802
>monochrome
Ebay it unless you're a hardcore vintage computing collector. Probably someone out there that will really appreciate it.

How about the Philips and Panasonic units?

>>8709976
A few games have worse performance because of it and widescreen can make the graphics settings lower

>>8709014
>There were no consumer HD televisions in 1999.
Completely false statement. Take a lap.

>>8710046
What model was released before 1999?

What cables do I get for my Japanese GameCube? When I plug the scart cable into my Sony pvm, it gives off this purple color, even changing it just goes gray. Do I have to mod

>>8710568
IIRC the pinout for European SCART is different than the one for Japanese SCART. I know back in the day when I tried to get RGB out for my SNES, I came across resources saying to stay away from European cables, and to get one that is supposed to be used for the Japanese GameCube instead, and that would also work for the SNES. So, a Japanese SCART cable would probably do the trick.

I found a very nearby listing for a JVC D Series, 60$ moosebux but no remote. Very very tempted by this, is it any easy to set up replacement remotes for TVs?

>>8710128
Everything to do with MUSE Hi-Vision is a good place to start reading. Also look into W-VHS.

>>8710128
Sony KW-3200HD was one of them.

>>8707432
Ordered a deLock DisplayPort VGA dongle and the miSTer VGA to SCART sync joiner
As I understand it's the best way to get 240p

Wish me luck, I'll post about it when they arrive

>>8710658
For emulation? The best way is to use a old AMD graphics card and crtemudriver or just get a Wii. I've never heard about using Displaypor, you need a old graphics card with VGA ports on it.

>>8710684
How does the wii handle n64 emulation now a days?

>>8710658
Good luck, if you need any help, just post in one of the /CRT/ threads.

>>8710684
That's pretty outdated, you can just use custom modes and modern GPUs. Wii is also pretty slow for newer emulation and cuts a lot of corners when it comes to accuracy.
Meanwhile DP to VGA to RGB is the cheapest and easier to get the best experience, at least in my opinion, when you already have a PC anyways.

>>8710628
>>8710649
Hi-vision isn’t synonymous with HDTV. They didn’t have an ATSC tuner, had no inputs that accepted 720p or 1080i, and weren’t capable of handling the HDTV spec. Sorry, they’re not HDTVs.

>>8710773
>accepts 480p over component
>can run ps2 in progressive on it
>noo anon it's not the same!

>>8710773
Anon said HD televisions not HDTV. They are not the same thing.

>>8710658
>>8710770
Wait is this about getting 60 hertz 240p from a normal computer? Or 120 hertz?

>>8711251
240p/60

VGA and PC CRTs already work for 240p/120 but you'd need BFI and you'd get horrendous sharp scanlines

>>8710756
Better than nothing, if that's all you have, but nothing great either.

>>8707432
>developers intent edition
Imagine thinking that in order to have fun or appreciate things you must go through other people's thought process
this is some sort of cuck mentality shit.

>>8711301
This, just hook up your console to your CRT and play, don't go full autismo about it

>>8710038
Panasonic one is TR-120M1GS, while the Philips one is PRO 3CM9809.

Has anyone had any success with CRT emudriver on Windows 11?

I set up an old AMD card with on a different desktop, worked just fine, was able to output 480i and 240p to my pvm without issue, so I then transplanted the card into my modern desktop; the card works fine, which is amazing to me, I didn't realize you could just stick multiple graphics cards into a PC, let alone running an ATI one alongside Nvidia, but I can't get windows 11 to go into test signing mode to actually install the modded drivers to adjust the video output.

Anyone tried it in 11? I can't find any info on it searching online, or alternatively, any info on using Nvidia custom resolutions? I've had no luck with that, either.

>>8711443
crtemudriver is rather broken and not really updated
try the DP adapter method mentioned above and either just add the modelines from crtemudriver or add them manually with CRU

>>8711443
Are you using 12th gen Intel chips? or what's the reason that you need to use Win11?

>>8711448

I've got an hdmi to vga adapter; Is there anything inheriantly special about display port that'd make it preferrable over the hdmi one? I'll give it a shot if not.

>>8711540
I don't NEED to use windows 11, but I use this PC for modern gaming and everything else, and I anticipate at some point in the future it becoming a requirement.

I was thinking it'd be convenient to be able to just hook up my CRT to it directly, instead of having a seperate computer for it, but it's not a tremendous loss if there's no easy way; I do already have it fully functional on another system.

>>8711576
just saying that AMD and older Intel CPUs actually have worse performance with Windows 11 and more bugs, specially if you say you use it for gaming, it only makes sense for the 12th gen Intel chips that don't work well under Windows 10
I wouldn't update to Windows 11 for a year or two otherwise, let them iron out the bugs

>>8711576
>I've got an hdmi to vga adapter; Is there anything inheriantly special about display port that'd make it preferrable over the hdmi one? I'll give it a shot if not.
usually HDMI adapters don't work for that but you're free to try

>>8711581
I actually wasn't aware of that, I'm assuming 9th gen intel processors would be having these issues you're talking about; I might look into it, I don't think anything I'm playing right now specifically needs 11 for anything right now, and it shouldn't be a problem to upgrade to it.

>>8711586
I'd seen talk about HDMI adapters usually not working, which is why I hadn't tried it; I'm mostly just curious as to why displayport would work vs hdmi, I'd figure displayport would have the same limitations as HDMI when it comes to low resolution output.

>>8710773
They accepted 1080i and 1035i (both use an 1125i signal) over component. How do you think people with hi-vision TVs hooked up their W-VHS or (for the three people who had one) hi-vision laserdisc players?

>>8710624
Just buy the oem remote online, should work without any setup.

>>8707627
>wood worm
i'm more worried about disc rot

>>8711443
>, I didn't realize you could just stick multiple graphics cards into a PC

Only if your mother board allow for them

>>8710624
alright I ventured out of my cave to pick up a specimen of the fame D-Series CRT, a JVC AV-32D501. And shit man it completely BTFOs my current CRT in terms of picture quality. Geometry seems about as perfect as it can get to me, it's slightly doing that pinch thing near the bottom and there's a tiny bit of bloom but that's it.

Only problem now is I have fucking ZERO plan for how I'm putting this on my TV stand because a TV this big can't be anything other than a centerpiece, really.

>>8712479
fug forgot picture

Can anyone tell me what model this is?

>>8713372
Other pic

>>8713372
Looks like a kv-27fs13 or 32fs13

>>8710782
480p is EDTV not HDTV

>>8713612
Irrelevant here, since we were talking about progressive signals and not HDTV

>>8711598
>'d seen talk about HDMI adapters usually not working, which is why I hadn't tried it; I'm mostly just curious as to why displayport would work vs hdmi, I'd figure displayport would have the same limitations as HDMI when it comes to low resolution output.
I think it might be several things, like HDMI sticking more to its standard, so custom modes are harder to process or impossible, for some chips, also DP being more of a digital protocol with little to no limitations, when you hook up a DP to VGA adapter, the output even changes to VGA in the drivers

is there any difference between the silver ps2 component cables and the plastic ones? SCPH-10100 vs SCPH-10490

Seems like most people only post about the silver ones.

>>8711448
>>8711443
What if you have native vga output? Ill be gettin a refurbished laptop sooner

>>8714221
just have to try, too many different graphics cards in the world to know for sure
pretty sure some integrated ones didn't work, like intel integrated gpus or at least they only worked on windows or linux but not both, don't know for a fact though

>>8714057
personally I'd trust the plastic ones, the silver ones seem too flashy to be quality.

Zenith Advanced System 3 tv here, apparently there were a bunch of different models that used the same name. The model number is on the back of it.

>>8714706
Here's the back of the TV. The AV Loop jacks are connected to my retrotink 2x and that's connected to a capture card.

>>8713372
I have that same model! Love that tv.

>>8714729
Is it worth $50?

>>8714848
>kv-27fs13
maybe, haggle him down to $30 or $40 first

>>8707432
20 inch 500 tvl PVM selling near me
but it's 500 ausbucks and it only does S-video and composite
worth?

>>8716740

>>8716740
At that price, hell no, especially if it only does composite and S-Video. That unit is probably worth $100 at most, seller gives off "I know what I have" vibes.

>>8716740
I'd message the seller that you're interested if they lower the price to something sane, like 80 or 100$ tops. I'd be disappointed for my species if that thing actually sells at a full 500$, and when it doesn't sell hopefully they'll get back to you about your offer instead of just scrapping it.

A big PVM is nice but no monitor is worth 500$, least of all when it stops as S-Video.

>>8717076
>I'd be disappointed for my species if that thing actually sells at a full 500$
Not anon but I've sold worse for more, thank reddit for that.

>>8717085
well, at least it's just redditors getting ripped off and not real people

>>8710770
Just saw one of your pictures posted on /g/
At least the same TV

>>8717123
>At least the same TV
Those weren't TVs, they were monitors.

sony g520, i was getting a hp p1230 the other day but the dude sold it to someone just as i was leaving. cunt.

>>8717126
A very decent budget monitor for the time, specially at its size.

>i was getting a hp p1230 the other day but the dude sold it to someone just as i was leaving. cunt.
Price?

>>8717126

photo is from the first day i got it thats why the geometry is fucked up

>>8717130

yeah it's great honestly i've had a lot of fun using it.

>$60 AUD
just to add to the pre-existing pain

>>8717138
>>$60 AUD
>just to add to the pre-existing pain
RIP

>>8717143

pure devastation, im on the look out for another high quality monitor tho. hopefully a 2070sb rebadge and a pvm i can play console on

>>8717123
Nobody played Doom like that, zoomer

>>8717158
First, does it even matter? Second, wrong.

>>8717058
>>8717076
I mean it is a 20"
500 ausbucks is like 350 US bucks and an RGB mod should be fairly easy but of course that is money on top, I guess it's just because it's extremely rare here, especially that size and 240v and still 60hz
but yeah you're right, I already have a consumer set with RGB

>>8717158
What's offensive in that image?

is this shit seriously what the official OG xbox component cable looks like? Goddamn

>>8707617
Damn I always used either the coaxial cable or the hooks to connect RF. It's obvious you can send the signal OTA and use the TV antenna.
I have never seensuch a device though.
Question: Don't you get extreme interference from the TV station signal?

>>8717260
I'm guessing these sort of xbox cables are chinkshit then huh

>>8707621
>>8707630
>>8707636
We're now living in an era where kids don't even understand what analog electronics are. Do you comprehend there's a difference between a raw RF signal and Bluetooth, zoomzooms? Are you aware that you don't send "pixels" over a composite signal?

>>8708752
Those probably aren't worth a hundred dollars together. For most people this is outdated trash. When it comes to retro autists these are worth as much as people are willing to pay, and unfortunately some people will stupidly, indiscriminately fork over too much cash for something that is hardly rare or good. Also the Philips monitor seems to have a crack in its casing. Given how roughly these were handled you'd be lucky not to have these implode while you're sitting in front of it and get a shard of glass to the neck, or while you're out so you come back to your home burned down. You folks do know these can implode, right?

>>8717230
Probably because it's the PC port running at 240p instead of line doubled VGA

>>8717262
they are all chinkshit, even the official ones
either diy or just accept the chinkshit

>>8707627
>>8707621
>>8707630
VR headsets are wireless these days, even over WiFi 5, I only have a extra delay of 3-4ms with Oculus Air Link on the Quest 2, compared to the wired 2ms. Can't even tell. Considering 60 FPS content runs at 16ms and 30 FPS one at 32ms that you'd be using on the TV.

Anyways, RF is instant, just like composite or RGB.

Britfag here.

I used to be super into RVG and I even got a large SONY PVM for £50 back in the day.

Only problem was, when the fucking thing was in delivery it got hit on the head or something. I took it to a tech guy who had a shop near me that specialised in fixing old TV's and even he couldn't fix the fucking thing.

That was about 8 years ago. After that trauma I ended up selling all my stuff (luckily only the games not the consoles). Now I've had the itch to get back into it. Get a CRT and everdrives/diskburner etc.

Now, what I'm wondering is; does anyone have any advice on a good CRT that is 60hz that aren't too expensive in the UK? I'd love a trini obviously but the price now; holy fuck no way. Plus, the thing was heavy as hell and I am not going through all that shit again. It just needs to be aesthetically pleasing and 60hz; also not too big. It's fine if it uses BNC cables, because I didn't sell the BNC to Scart cable luckily.

TL;DR: Any recommendations for 60hz TV's in the UK that are aesthically pleasing but aren't dumb expensive like the Sony PVM.

>>8707432
I'm playing my old PS2 on a CRT, but it's a flatscreen from 2006
Am I missing out on anything?

>>8717695
B&Os are probably not as common there as in the Nordic countries, but here they are not yet at PVM prices and are aesthetically pleasing

>>8707561
Developers would have preferred players to have computer monitors, which they used to create the game in the first place, but we all need to settle in life. Or, at least we NEEDED to settle. Now we can view the games on OLED and see something even better than what the devs saw.

>>8717803
Plus they don't have meme scanlines like PVMs

>>8717846
You do realize that almost all 8 and 16 bit devs had a high resolution monitor + a TV next to it, the TV showing the sprite how it would look like in the game, at the right size.
I know this is bait but still, should be common enough information to not even be baitworthy.

>>8717846
I prefer my PVM over my OLED. I honestly think the PVM looks better (for 240p/480i content).
>>8717851
You can literally see the scanlines in that pic.

>>8717870
>You can literally see the scanlines in that pic.
But those aren't distracting meme scanlines with super thick black parts in between
Scanlines are normal at that resolution, but not thick ones that make a image 2/3ths empty black space

>>8717803

Holy shit thats nice. I will keep a look out.

>>8717803

Do you have any other info on this? Such as make and model? I've never even heard of B&O before

>>8717867
cope, take your cherrypicked photos and fuck off

>>8717870
>I prefer my PVM over my OLED. I honestly think the PVM looks better (for 240p/480i content).
Kind of hipsterish ngl

>>8717867
Let's do a mental experiment
>most devs autistically checked the hundreds of sprites they needed to draw (and redraw) for how a crt will fuck it up
or
>they just drew the goddamn picture and moved on
It's clear which one passes Occam's Razor.

Now, before anyone posts retarded-comparison.jpg, STOP, look at the entire scene - not a 45x45 crop blown up to 1200x1200 - and sit 8+ feet away from it (TV distance). The pure output looks the same, but brighter and sharper. The CRT looks blurry and dark (literally no improvement).

Crappy 13 inch Durabrand I’ve done a lot of calibration on, still needs convergence work in the upper left corner.

>>8717912
That picture isn't mine, but it appears to be of the Bang&Olufsen Beovision MX4500, a relatively early model in the MX-series whose exterior appearances follows the same style. Personally, I would most recommend either the later MX8000 or MX4200 which, as I recall, have a Panasonic tube

I have Beovision MX4000 model with the later SW 3.1 (software) that has high-end Philips tube and allows access to the service menu without opening the back panel unlike previous SW models.

I think all MX-series models are quite recommended if you can get it at a good price. But you shouldn't pay as much for the 90s models as for the newer ones unless they already have 3.1 or newer software. You should also keep an eye out for Beovision 1 and AV9000

>>8717912
>>8717695
UK had the same CRT market as the rest of euroland at the time. So your best picks are this.
Chassis:
Bang & Olfusen: MX4000, MX7000 y MX8000
Loewe: E3000, E3001 y C9003
Sony: AE-1, AE-2 (A, B o C)
JVC: D-Series

what say you bros about those 15-inch, chink oled displays? ~500 burger bucks and you get better contrast and black level. hobbyists are spending more than that for similarly sized pvms. I am considering to add one to my little retro corner since I don't give a shit about native 240p or real hardware.

>>8718091
I almost forgot to mention. For a B&O TV you must have the correct B&O remote to operate it, make sure when you buy it that it comes with it or that you can get one elsewhere without much overpay. Universal remote controls will not work.

>>8707432
>purchased $20 remote so I can access service menu
>turns out you need to actually solder jumper wires and disable a chip pin in the remote to access menu
_
Fucking shit

>>8717962
Why do you even bother with your madness?

>>8718139

So glad you said that, because holy fuck the prices for the remotes are moronic. But yeah I've found some really nice ones but none super close (obviously its going to be a waiting game). I don't want to trust a courier again, not after losing a fucking £50 Sony Trini PVM. God... What I wouldn't do to get those prices back now.

Anyway, last question and this one is probably the most important. Do you know if most of them run at 60hz? Or what year they started supporting 60hz? I plan on playing a bunch of PS1 games and most were never released in PAL

>>8718393
Those B&O remote controls are their own kind of universal remotes that can usually control all B&O products of their era so people who give up their TVs might still keep the remotes for their HiFi systems which are also sought after in certain circles.

As for your question, I can't say exactly, but at least my MX4000 supports PAL 60 as well as NTSC signals.
I also have the MX1500 which is the smallest, cheapest and one of the oldest in the MX-series and it also supports my Japanese PS2 via the RGB cable even though it pulls the image to black and white via the composite cable.

For more information of each models, you should check the Beoworld website

Picked up a Sony KV-9PT40 recently (it's dinged up on the outside but it was free). The tube appears to work fine going off of , but the RCA inputs on the back don't seem to register input. I'm testing a PS1 1001, PS2 fat, and PS3 Slim with first party composite cables (I also tried the audio portion of an official S-video cable just to exhaust my different possible testings). They all work fine on my normal TV with these hookups, but they're not registering on the Sony.

Also, loud channel-missing style static audio plays at all times when on, even on the VIDEO input and even with the volume turned all the way down (I had to have throwaway headphones plugged in at the 3.5mm front output just to minimize the sound, but now I've just clipped off the plug so I can have silence).

Not that it matters, but here's a simple front picture.

>>8718743
Damn that's smol

>>8707432
ps2 through component on a Toshiba 14AF46

>>8717718
no flatscreen crt are fine for 6th gen.

hello fellow retards

thoughts on rca truflats? I got the chance to buy one for 50 bucks that has component but I don't NEED another crt but it looks nice, thoughts?

>>8719156
I had one once, a 27" model. They're actually quite good. I had my Wii hooked up to it with component, and 240p looked nice and crisp.

>>8719173
It's, surprisingly, a 14incher which is nice cause I need a small tv for my other room. I just am lazy and don't want to drive 30-40 minutes for this unless its worth

>>8718009
>whats more likely, this hard evidence or my thoughts
gee anon, I dunno

>>8718775
unfortunately 480i doesn't really capture well in photos as you only get half of the image

>>8718009
Occam's Razor isn't an argument and you're a retard.

>>8718009
>most devs autistically checked the hundreds of sprites they needed to draw (and redraw) for how a crt will fuck it up
yes? it's not even that much work
1 mugen guy could do it

>>8718009
>most devs autistically checked the hundreds of sprites they needed to draw (and redraw) for how a crt will fuck it up
...yes? wtf that is most logical thing you have presented. Obviously artists would put effort into their creations.

>>8718009
>>most devs autistically checked the hundreds of sprites they needed to draw (and redraw) for how a crt will fuck it up

desu even nowadays it's not a bad idea to check what your art looks like on a shitty washed out flatscreen monitor

>>8717803
Is that a Tate TV set?? Waat?

My MX4000 has a prettier image quality than this but I like the compact size of this one.

what's this hook on the back of my D-Series? My first guess would be an attachment point for anchor straps but it doesn't seem particularly reinforced for such a fat tv. I wouldn't mind if it I could strap it down some way to my tv stand to make sure I don't like knock it over or something.

My MX4000 has a prettier image quality than this but I like the compact size of this one.

>>8720035
B&O tvs are aesthetic as fuck goddamn

People always consider FV300/310s to be "grail" consumer sets, but what's /vr/'s opinion on the KD-36XS955? Supports 480p+ for 6th gen compatible games, decent 480i deinterlacing, HDMI input to connect your PC, just to name a few pros.
Obvious major downside is the lack of 240p, so not sure how ass 5th gen and older would look on this. I already have a 20" PVMeme, but a 36" television would be nice to have whenever guests come over.

>>8720032
holds the cord plug

>>8720065
I had the 30" version years ago. It was ok for 6th and 7th-gen stuff, not too good for older games. 480p for GameCube/Wii and 1080i for Xbox 360 was cool, but it looked kinda fuzzy at 480p, though it might've just needed extensive hands-on calibration (and believe me, I spent a LOT of time on the Service Menu trying to improve the image - I could only get so far). PS2 480i wasn't bad, though the deinterlacing was obvious in motion. 5th-gen and below was absolute ass - it line-doubles 240p, and there was random screen tearing for whatever reason. And even through HDMI, PC stuff just didn't look good.

Honestly, unless you get a set that's professionally calibrated, you're probably better off with a modern display with a good scaler for 6th-gen and upwards.

>>8720035

I need this TV

>>8720069
yeah that makes more sense. Wish I noticed it while I was moving it would have saved me some tape.

>>8720035
Here's size comparison of the two. The MX4000 is also quite reasonable size/weight and thanks to its built-in handle it's easy to move around.

>>8720147

Looking around for one of these and everyone has lost the fucking remote. It's killing me.

>>8718743
Open it up and check if the solder points on the back are broken.
It’s a common thing for things to be plugged in and out constantly, stressing the points until they break.
Resolder if that’s the case, five minute fix.

>>8720269
Most likely they keep them for themselves or have already sold them separately

>>8720296

Is there literally no alternative? Can you only config and change channels via the remote?

>>8720303
Some people have got some specific universal remotes to work, but most of them will not work, I do not recommend them.
In general, using the TV already with its own remote control is its own process because with the MX4000 I had to program a second scart output for my devices right from the start to use it at all and I had to painstainkingly follow the instructions to do it.
Turning on the TV/selecting the right channel with Beo4 has to be done by first pressing the "List" button until the text "V.AUX" appears on the remote's own display and then pressing "OK".

Using the MX1500 with the Beolink 1000 is simpler but here too the correct channel is selected by first pressing the "AV" button and then the "TV" button

B&Os are the Alfa Romeo's of CRTs

>>8720404

Guess this is just the waiting game then. It's so much easier for American's because they have Goodwill and other places that still stock CRT's. It seems that in the UK, we are scrapping them constantly.

>>8707561
You shouldn't. Leave this hobby alone. The second hand market is already fucked and more demand is not needed. Go emulate.

>>8711464
This looks good and reminds me of my childhood

>>8707432
>tfw no universal remotes work for these tvs
>tfw no listing online for the remotes
>can't even get it from the manufacturer anymore

Kill me, Pete

this shit looks so nice on a crt

>>8721270
You manahed to get 240p?

>>8721298
no, it's an rca with component input that displays at 480i. i've just got my ps3 running through some official sony component cables

>>8721270
Would look even more amazing on a multiformat CRT at 720p.

>>8718743
Does it only input rca?

>>8721304
i've got a sony pvm-1342q that i've been dragging my feet on using because it's such a pain in the ass to use, might hook it up to that one day. i believe it goes up to 1080p?

I know this is possibly and odd question. But I'm looking to get a CRT (probably scart/RCA). However, I want to be able to watch stuff like YouTube on it (mostly stuff like MST3K as that show just feels so strange to watch on a fucking HD laptop. I also plan on playing ALISA on there since it offers a 240p option. So yeah, anyone got any recommendations of what they were to play modern displays on CRT's? I'd love to play Kentucky Route Zero on a CRT with those delicious scanlines.

Also if anyone has any images of their tv playing Youtube or whatever, id love to see them. This is my porn.

>>8721318
>PVM-1342q
Great monitor but not multiformat. That model only supports 240p/480i.

>>8721270
7th gen on crts is comfy, shame everyone defaults to HDMI on them (aside from the Wii obviously)

Makes me wish the WiiU's analog output wasn't complete trash it would be a lot of fun using it on a CRT. But alas it's fucking 480i widescreen only of all things, having to choose between squished widescreen or fucking letterboxing on a crt is not comfy lmao.

>>8721702

Hey, from what I remember the Wii U can by 4:3? It's just a pain in the ass to set up.

>>8721714
must be some cfw thing then because it's certainly not something it supports natively. Real 4:3 that is, if you try picking 4:3 in the system settings you get the letterboxed widescreen.

>>8721298
Taking a photo of an interlaced image will only show at 240p because it can only display half of the image at one time

>>8717151
Where are you in Aus?

>>8717158
Amateur

>>8716740
Worth it. PVM prices are crazy here, but you might never do better. And even if you do better, you can resell this one. As long as you can RGB mod it, she'll be apples, mate.

Are all PVM's 60hz?

They can do both 60Hz and 50Hz.

>>8721307
It also takes RF, unfortunately I have nothing on hand to test that connection. And ideally I don't want to be limited to that

>>8707432
I'm getting a lot of interference on my rf connection while trying to connect my ps2 to my ancient crt. Composite is not an option

Is it true that this is caused by the tv attempting to translate digital signal now that analog broadcasts are gone? If not, what are my options of getting rid of all the interference?

two questions

is this a RCA 20F420T TruFlat
and is it good?

>>8722574
All wireless signals in your house will affect it
It’s not really a viable connection, especially for a PS2, I wouldn’t really bother but try a couple of ferrite cores on the cable to see if that makes a difference but better yet get a better TV

>>8722574
the interference is extra SOUL you retard, zoomers will use computer filters just to imitate it

This is my 13inch CRT that I got off of Kijiji. I bought it for 10 dollars a couple years ago. I like to use it for my Ps2 and for my NES/SNES/N64. Recently did a playthrough of LoZ, had the tv on a nightstand at the foot of my bed. Very comfy.

>>8721685
gotcha. i'm not too versed in pvms really, a friend of mine didn't want it so i bought it off him. the few times i did play ps2 on it the picture was stellar.

>>8721702
i agree, it's how i first experienced 7th gen as a kid. had a 13 inch crt with only composite and mono audio. still takes me back (very cheesy, i know)

>>8722921
I hate everything about this comment.
It’s all true.

>>8722574
Move it away from other sources of interference as a first step. Most likely it’s something close to it interfering.
Other than that, you’ll need to change something hardware wise (cable is the first option). RF honestly is awful so this is what you get for going with the worst possible connection.

Ya know after a lot of first hand testing I dont think any 480p and higher is worth messing around with a CRT. For 240p and 480i,a CRT is still mandatory imo but for higher stuff I think modern displays is better

>>8722576
I have one of those, had broken solder joints in the flyback. Easy fix though.

Has severe problems with convergence, alignment, and colors.

>>8722574
This might be a longshot, but try moving the ps2 away from the TV. Had a problem once where my NES was causing interference to my TV cause somebody had opened up the console before I owned it and never replaced the metal RF shield that goes over the electronics. Now if I want a clear picture with that console I have to move it further from my TV.

240p120 on my old PC CRT looks amazing. What's a game that would have bad artifacts? I haven't been able to notice any of the ghosting that people talk about after having tried out a number of games.

https://streamable.com/ojugrv

I think my dog has aids

>>8725126
Just try a game with normally smooth horizontal scrolling. Could be one of the bing bing wahoos or Sanic.

its over for me bros...its been a month and no crt listings under 100 dollars

>>8725507
What websites are you using? There is a large variation in what types of local users are utilizing certain websites. For me, facebook marketplace is the best way to find free CRTs from boomers. Every other site is useless. However I don’t have a facebook so I have to use my wife’s.

>>8725698
craigslist and fb marketplace, idk where else to look, offerup is shit

It seems the crt treasure chest is over for me

>>8710770
Hey, you know if you can feed a game to Retroarch so it would stretch it into super resolution 240p? Want to play Sonic Mania on my TV.

>>8725738
Try different search terms. Search for "old tv", "tube tv", things that a boomer would say.

Holy fuck fellow retards I am so FUCKING TIRED of looking for a 14incher around my area. Millions upon millions of 27-32 inchers that I simply do not need but NOT A SINGLE 14 INCHER it's been MONTH'S.....

It's over fellow retards...I am hitting up Ebay

>>8727703
i just searched for tv and sorted by cheapest,thats where i found my CRT's.

20'' jvc vs 32'' jvc vs 24'' samsung (my only hdtv)

this just makes me think I need a new hdtv more than I needed a new crt

I think my CRT obsession is being replaced by arcade control parts obsession.

>>8729000
It's probably cheaper on the whole these days, so I'll allow it

Can anyone recommend a stand that can hold a 70lb CRT.? Ideally one that folds up or takes up minimal space and is easily moveable.

>>8729454
The same way you found the CRT I guess

>>8707502
Not really

>>8714706
I fucking hate that character so much and I'm a huge fatfag myself. Not retro.

>>8729454
most tv stands can hold at least 100lbs. flatscreen era tv stands aren't THAT flimsy. Just make sure it's something that has support in the middle so it doesn't sag under the weight of the tv. And if you want it to move just buy some casters for it, making sure you add a 5th one to the middle maybe.

That, or try and find one of those old tv carts they used in schools and such.

>>8730403
You've found not one, but several CRT displays discarded from closed businesses on more than one occasion in the past, let's say 5 years or so? Clue me in on how someone can be that fortunate

>>8728696
I’ve got two of them
One given to me for free by a friend, the other in the side of my neighbors driveway
Granted, I am in the rural southern US

>>8730571
I remember long ago I bought a cheapo second hand TV stand with five grooves for electronics (one in the middle and two to each side) made of plastic and plywood. The top plywood board had actually visibly broken on the back left corner and had been reattached with carpenter glue or something. I still dared to sit a fucking KV-30XS955 weighing in at something like 150 lbs. on top of it, and it held forever, but best believe I always took care never to bump into the fucker.

Can't wait for the s-video cable to arrive.

if i want to output 240p to a 33-79kHz monitor from an nvidia card to dp converted to vga, what horizontal resolutions and refresh rates will work best? just from dicking around the lowest i can get is 400p with higher horizontal resolutions being better. but nothing i've tried at 240p seems to work

>sharp pixel fags are missing the transperancy effect on the web
How do they even live?

OSSC + scanlines > CRT

>>8732562
Isn’t that type of transparency related to frame rate?

>>8731949
I think these games really benefit from composite but I guess I’m in the minority
Like all those background elements look great but as soon as they are refined, they look like a pixelated mess

>>8707672
Get an HDMI to VGA adapter: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B7CEOVK/

Get a GOOD VGA to RGB SCART adapter (this is the only good one): https://castlemaniagames.com/products/rondo-products-hd15-2-scart?yoReviewsPage=2

I do this currently. It works REALLY well. If there is any lag, it is less than one frame. It also supports even 240p over HDMI, which is probably what you are gonna use it for.

Pic related, it's how the setup looks when connected together.

>>8717867
unrelated, but i cant imagine how many companies went out of business after forking out so much money to afford these high-quality TV's and Engine's to power their software.

all that electronic waste piling up because the technology companies decided inefficeny was more important instead of learning to work with what you have without throwing out the old. would've been better off making repair services more commonplace.

Beaten.

>>8733390
how many inches is that tv?

Hey, does anyone know if the Sony Trinitron KV 1442EC (in the UK) would be 60hz? It's from the 80s

>>8733550
13

>>8733672
No, only 100hz and other digital type of CRT's support 60hz signal.

Developers intend TO CUM IN MY ASS

No, but seriously, CRTs are blurry and shitty.

>>8734089
that's great man
i still like them

>>8734076
From my own experience, most of the 90s-00's pal televisions also support 60hz even though the back panel would have mentioned only 50hz. I have not tried the 80's crt's

How do I stop hoarding CRTs?

>>8734269
kill yourself. It works everytime.

JVC bros, anyone idea what model this is? Any chance this has component input?

>>8734304
any* idea

>>8734304
>>8734308
It looks a bit too old to have component. Probably s video if you're lucky.

>>8734304
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/82674/Jvc-Av-27115.html
The manual for that series is online and judging by the front panel I think what you have there is either a AV-27115 or AV-27120. None of those models have Component sadly but if it's an AV-27120 it has S-Video.

Either way it's not a bad set for composite.

I can't link it but someones selling a jvc tv on fb marketplace rn, look up "jvc big tv"

super cheap, but its shipping, runs the risk of breaking during shipment

I don;t need this huge unit so here you guys go

>>8734304
looks like a 20-27 inch pre-D series.
>>8734314
These models do have component. It's of the same series as my av-27530

What is /crt/s thoughts on Emerson’s made in the mid 2000s

>>8735081
Dunno, what tube do they use
I know their electronic components would be good

>>8735168
Funai? Idk

>>8730571
my tv stand is bowing in the middle. Most of those cheap Ikea stands these days use cheap pressboard and are only designed to hold a few game consoles, a soundbar and flat panel tv.

Well my tax refund hit so I guess I’ll buy a pvm off eBay since finding one in the wild has been impossible for almost a year now.

What model is this? The guy on Craigslist won’t respond and I’m not driving 40 miles for this if it’s shit

>>8735396
Dunno, but for sure it's from sometime in the 80's. I personally dig the aesthetic, but don't count on anything above composite, if even that much.

>>8735396
>I’m not driving 40 miles for this if it’s shit
then don't
also it looks like pic related but I doubt it's a PVM

>>8735403
That’s what I thought, thanks

>>8735410
It'd make for a nice 2nd and 3rd-gen display, nicely fitting with the aesthetics of the time, plus basically everyone used RF back then. That said, I'm wary of that bowing on the left side.

>>8721965
Yeah I bought it, for a few hundred off, I'll see what it's like after I bring it home

>>8735396

Thats a Trinitron from the 80's. If it supports RGB; then these are really nice, especially if they are selling it cheap.

>>8736543 >>8735396

I should elaborate, what I mean is, if it supports SCART/RGB then it's good. However some of the 80's ones only support composite.

However, from the screens clarity in the photo, it looks RGB to me.

Are trinitrons mono only? I was messing around with the service menu and noticed sound was only coming from the left speaker. I was thinking about buying some speakers to use with the front jack but I'm getting alot of noise when using headphones.

>>8736746
No clue, but my KV-29X2E model has stereo. Audio quality on them is quite bad though, so I am using proper speakers on my AV receiver setup.

>>8736746
Sony TVs will have mono or stereo depending on the model. The WEGA models, for example, have stereo speakers. FYI "Trinitron" is the CRT inside the TV. It's the name of proprietary tube made by Sony.

>>8736746
Not mine. Its build-in speakers has a lot of noise and interference so they are useless. I use scart switch to get the audio directly to my logitech speakers, I had to do that since my previous crt had mono headphone output, and also one shitty mono speaker, and it wasn't even proper mono, just stereo with missing channel.

Here's my setup, Panasonic HDCRT. I had a friend check the input lag with some sort of tool and he said it's lagless on 480i and 480p. He's a bit of an expert on these tvs, apparently the Sony ones do a lot of processing but not the Panasonic ones which is why there's barely any input delay.I got lucky when I found this one for free. I also play elden ring on it in 1080i

>>8737849
Panasonic has always been under rated
Not sure if many Americans had them much but I’ve always bought their TV’s
They always calibrate them so well

>>8737854
Yeah I love it, geometry is pretty good, and the colors are great. I watch all my TV on it too. I got it for free of an older couple who never used it so it doesn't have a lot of hours on it either. Basically a poor man's oled tv and I mean that in a good way

>>8737864
Well I have a Pana OLED and used to have a Pana Plasma, used to have a nice big CRT when I was younger too, great black levels throughout

>Therapist: McQueen TV doesn't exist, it cannot hurt you
McQueen TV: Murderous Smile

>>8737885
His teeth are yellowing, you should brush them

Can I get current market value on these? Thanks

>>8737992
can you even sell them?
or do they just sit for sale for years at a few thousand

>>8738005
Some guy offered me $1k each while I was loading up, but I’m speculating that these will be 10x that in a couple of years.

My cousin in Singapore sold a few 14” bvms with dead caps last year for $3k each

>>8737992
This you op?

>>8737849
I had a Sony 30XS955, and I can't say it had noticeable input lag at 480p. I'm a bit of a Melee tryhard, too, so I think it'd be able to tell if I can't pull shit off.

240p stuff on it, though? Absolute ass. It mangled the image so badly I didn't even bother investigating lag, but it wouldn't surprise me if it fucked that up, too. My cousin had a Philips HD CRT, and while on paper it was inferior, it handled 240p MUCH better, and I honestly couldn't tell if it lagged.

>>8738148
I haven't tried 240p on mine, but my friend has a similar model and he upscales 240p to 480p with scanlines and it looks great.

>>8738159
Now that you mention it, one thing that worked surprisingly well was using RetroArch on Wii at 480p and inserting basic scanlines. The result looked remarkably like authentic 240p on a regular CRT (and I should know, I had a 27FS100 right next to it to compare), with very little discernible loss in brightness.

>>8738164
I haven't tried any older games on my wii, I should give it a shot. I've done n64 in progressive scan on it though, looks really good on this tv

>>8737992
How does a couple gas station scratch tickets sound

>>8738068
you'll want to remember my face now that i've cornered the market, pussy

does anyone happen to have a spare JVC AC-P3U Power Adapter lying around?

>>8737992
can i have one? thanks

>>8707581
based as fuck

>>8707581
Based and dithering pilled

Retard here,
I have a giant ass JCPenny unit, but a few months ago the picture started shutting off randomly and now it seems to happen as soon as a video signal goes through, but the unit itself still has power because the green light would still be lit.

Any tips for me and my dad?

>>8739134
yeah, either get another CRT or learn to solder and recap

>>8735707
Ok so maybe a recap or just some service menu tinkering
Only svideo and comp however I looked inside and it has this little board attached, anyone know what it’s for?
It’s not in the RGB mod page

Is a Dell E770s a good monitor? I might be able to get one and it works, however it has a small scratch on the screen. If so, anything I should get out on it before I take it and can I get it to work on my PS1, N64, Gamecube and PS2?

Anyone know what to expect from a Nokia tube?
Found this SOB years ago but never checked how it faret picture quality wise.

>>8740507
Don't know about Nokia ones, but some 90s Salora/Finlux/ASA CRT TV's have cold solder defects and they may spontaneously combust, so they should be avoided.

what's the best way to play hdmi on composite only tv? don't really want for vidya (although i will probably try emulation with laptop), just want it for watching old tv shows

>>8740816
Just get an HDMI>RCA converter, easy.

>>8740945
Oh boy here we go again! those chink pieces of crap lock to 480i

>>8740983
if he wants to watch TV shows 480i will suffice.

>>8740945
thanks, how much are they normally? looking at one that's like 75 AUD and one that's like 15 AUD, imma guess they are on the cheap side.

>>8740983
and yeah don't really care just for tv

>>8739379
>>8740507
Nokia made tubes now?

>>8739379
I've seen that board. It was on the inside of a PVM-20N2 (a model that has RGB already). I don't have any good photos to show if any of those empty spots are populated, and after repairing the set (for an unrelated issue) i gave it back to the owner.

I do, however, have the service manual for the N1/N2 series, though it's in jpegs. Looks like you can reconstruct most of the RGB circuit from the N2 - anonfiles(com)/n9p8o4Qcx8/Sony_PVM-N-series_service_manual_zip

Is this an N1 model, by any chance? If you post up in the monitor repair section on AussieArcade or even the hardware section on the Shmups forum, i'm sure ppl will jump in to help. OR join the Aussie CRT group and find someone local, mb.

>>8740735
Oh fuck, I've seen someone mention that as well. I don't care if it's going to explode eventually, but I don't want any glass shards in my face.
>>8741096
>Nokia made tubes now?
I'm not so sure any more. Could be they just made the chassis (whatever that means) and the tube is actually from LG/Panasonic. Nokia definitely made TVs and monitors with their branding and it seems like they were actually pretty good. But the LG tubes were apparently shit. Meh.
I guess I'll just test it tomorrow with an old netbook. Don't have anything else to plug in there right now, unfortunately.

>>8741096
Yeah I posted earlier in this thread 20n1a I got yesterday off the guy, not sure he worried too much about it as he had a 20L5 and 2730QM or something?
I was gonna RGB mod it but it looked like someone already got the expansion board for it and it just needs hooking up to a switch and connection to the back board I think but yeah I reckon I will go there, I’m not sure about that 7pin connection on top

>>8740983
>480i
Sooo, perfect for composite, got it.
>>8741043
If you have Amazon, this should work fine. Worst case scenario, you can always return it. No need to overspend, though.
https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B06W9LQDBB/

I'm not sure how to accurately describe this, but the picture geometry on my Commodore 1702's left side is slightly bowed inward ")". Do I have to fuck with the yoke to fix this?

>>8741247
>I AM CHEEKY YUCK YUCK YUCK
>wanna post a s/0/yjack so badly but mods get triggeered

if someone calls you out on your stupidity you just keep coping and deflecting like a stupid child

>>8741431
>When a zoomie has no counter-argument and resort to sperging out
Did you misunderstand >>8740816 's original question, or are you just ESL?

>>8741390
sounds like pincushion, it might be on the right side too but you've probably got that over scanned

>>8741096
>>8741192
Nokia monitors used Trinitrons and Hitachis, sometimes Panasonics. TVs probably did the same.

If I have RGB Scarts for a bunch of consoles, what's the best way I can split video and audio? My CRT has shit speakers so I want to connect the audio to some external ones.

>>8742080
Does your CRT not have line out?

>>8742080
Does your TV input SCART directly? My PVM inputs BNC so the split happens in my SCART adapter.

>>8742096
Yes.

>>8742080
You could try one of those otaku games scart switchers

>>8742132
Couldn't I get some cheaper switch, maybe with a headphone jack? I'm not thinking about connecting more than 1 console at a time.

>>8742161
If you can make something sure

>>8742164
Would this be a good solution for my case? If I get a 3.5mm to RCA adapter, would this mean I would get sound from both my TV and external speakers? Any chances the pass-through adapter messes with the audio quality or RGB signal?

>>8740735
and those specif ones(saloras and nokias made in late 90's - 2000 or later) also are mostly likely PAL 50HZ only, the widescreen ones apparently are better ones(60hz support) as they were "high-end" ones, but the cheap ones are shit, if you want to play 60hz games.

>>8742315
Dunno, try it and find out

>>8742034
It's so slight that I didn't even notice it until a few days ago. The other side actually looks spot on, it's just on the left.

I've never played GT4 and man this looks fucking better than most modern games. how did they do it.

So fellas, i had this tv stored on the closet. its a Semp-toshiba 14". The problem is the image is stretched vertically (i couldn't find a aspect ratio setting btw) and its flickering (more like wobbling) like every second or so. do you guys have any clue of what could it be? can the stretch be console-side?

>>8734269
You don't. If you want to keep them just keep them.

>>8740393
Please respond

>>8711303
HAVING a CRT in this day and age is already autism tier. The only acceptable circumstance is your parents still having a CRT in their oversized midwestern basement out of the way because every other TV in the house has since been replaced with something that isn't from ACME out of a Wile E Coyote cartoon

>>8740393
I do want to mention that on the "No connection detected" when powered on, the white box on the message seemed like it was light blue. I don't know if that means it is dying or if it should have that little bit of "blue hue" to it.

>>8743194
That's still the opening FMV, the game does look really fucking good for its age though. Aren't they still using some GT4 era car models for some of the lesser brands in the current games?

>>8743665
>Thinks having a $400 scaler with a flat-panel isn't autistic

>>8743876
> implying

How about playing the PSP on a CRT? How good is it? Does the resolution or some shit need to be configured somewhere?

>>8743665
cuckold take. the wifey hates CRTs? just let tyrone work extra and you'll get away with it.

>>8743948
the PSP only outputs 480p I think, so you can use it with any CRT really.

>>8743948
>>8744713
The PSP's native resolution is 480x272, so I'd imagine it'd be displayed interlaced or something, unless it's upscaled to 480i or 480p when connected directly to the TV.

>>8743948
I think the 3000 and go allow for interlace and the go also let’s you use the DualShock 3

>>8744713
can't use it, bad typo. I suppose widescreen CRTs can do 480p but I don't think any consumer 4:3 CRTs ever do 480p.

Does anyone use universal remotes with their TVs?

I'm still trying to find something for my new D-Series (can't find OEM) and I figure I could probably just get a universal remote so I can set it up with my HDTV as well for convenience. Seems like actual universal remotes aren't much of a thing anymore though.

>>8744863
Of course they are, go into any electronics shop and you’ll find a Phillips universal remote no problem

>>8743948

Fuck I need to try the PSP on a CRT. Tactics Ogre just looks so fucking ugly on a PS-VITA. I have no idea what they did to that game, but it's so blurry. I think it's because the PSP screen almost has it's own kind of scanlines, which shadowed the horrible scaling they used in that game.

>>8743956
> The cuckhold take is refusing to pay someone to haul away their trash.
Really makes you think

>>8744858
The 40XBR800 does.

This is what 240p games look like on Sony HD CRTs, by the way.

>>8740393
Here is a picture of the actual thing. You can see the scratch on it, but it isn't really deep.

>>8745712
>>8740393
Wrong file

>>8745713
I actually tested it and it looked like the colors are fine, so I took it home anyways.

Is it any harmful for a CRT to have magnets/speakers near it for extended periods of time while powered off and unplugged?

Since this D-Series is so fucking huge I'm basically gonna have to just shove it out of the way like this to make room for an HDTV any time I wanna use HDMI, but with the HDTV right fucking behind it like this I'm wondering if the magnetism from its speakers might negatively effect the CRT. Like basically am I going to end up having to degauss my CRT if I play some PS4 for a week with this HDTV set up right behind it? Or is magnetic interference only really a thing while the CRT is powered on?

>>8746916
No, it's only an issue while a picture is trying to be drawn. Unless you're working with autism-strength neodynewhatever magnets you're all good

>>8747118
>autism-strength magnets
Don't know why but you got a kek out of me.

>>8747118
That's good then. The picture on this thing is about as perfect as I can ask for, the last thing I want to do is fuck up its calibrating by having itnext to some magnets all day.

>>8746916
Well considering they literally have magnets on the tube I'm going to say not really, especially if it degausses

So I'm currently trying to use my consoles (SNES, PS2) on my VGA CRT, its a PC monitor. I've gotten it to run at 240p when connected to my PC using a VGA to HDMI and it looks great and vibrant. But when using it on consoles through a VGA to composite converter it looks like garbage. I feel like it's due to the VGA to composite convert automatically upscales it to 720p/1080p and was wondering if there are any converters that don't do this? Or is there any other good alternatives here

>>8747530
VGA is a 31khz signal, consoles output 15khz signals
not sure if the issue is there but I assume you'd need some sort of upscaler first

>>8747561
I'm a noob on this stuff, but I've used this CRT on my pc at low 240p resolutions, surely doesn't that mean it would work as well with consoles

>>8747571
On PC it works because you can get it to output 240p at 120Hz, which is the only way native 240p works on a 31KHz CRT. For a console, it's a whole different ballgame, since they output 240p at 60Hz, necessitating some kind of upscaling. I recall way back there were scalers made for precisely this purpose, one being the XRGB2+, which could take 240p input from consoles (might've been through SCART RGB only though, can't recall if it could also take composite) and upscale it to 720p (maybe 480p as well) through VGA. Those are rare and probably quite expensive these days, though, so not sure if there's a better, cheaper solution for what you're trying to do.

>>8747632
But yeah, if you're looking to hook up your consoles to the PC monitor and have it output 240p, you're not gonna get it, unless you also add a scanline generator into the chain, that is, which is yet another device entirely.

At that point, you may want to consider just emulating.

>>8717131

>>8707432
I bought this Wells Gardner arcade monitor on eBay a few weeks ago. It’s got some screen burn but I think it’ll look okay when powered on. Any idea on how to power it? I looked into some isolation transformers but I don’t know if I need one of those or something proprietary. Planning on putting it in an empty arcade machine I snagged from Craigslist

>>8745610
Glorious. There were a few of these for sale near me but I didn't have a truck or 2-3 friends to help me lift them.

>>8749763
Not my set, but no, not glorious. The upscaling looks like shit, and there's random screen tearing.

>>8749763
240p and 480i looks like ass on those sets

>>8749783
Eh, 480i can look decent, but it kinda depends on how you choose to let the TV process it. On my set, you could choose between interlaced or progressive modes. The former upscales it to 960i, which makes it look flickery in stills but good in motion, while the latter deinterlaces it into 480p, which looks good in stills but causes some blurring in motion.

>>8749790
Yes but 480i looks sharp and smooth on a normal set with occasional blurring depending on the frame rate

bros.....I am so bored

>>8750113
As am I

>>8750113
>>8750124
No one even commented on my crt monitor...

I've got a listing for this thing in my area. Worth it?

wtf are pelco monitors? anyone ever use one?

>>8750524
Mire b cool. Wouldn't blow over $50 for it, though.

if 480i is really 30FPS, then are 30FPS games @ 480i basically 15fps?

>>8750974
Fields for second? Yes

>>8750975
Per*

>>8750975
can't believe people tolerated that

>>8750982
They alternate I half seconds
It doesn’t display at 15fps

>>8750994
ah so basically you get the same effective framerate because you were already frame-doubling at 30fps@60hz non-interlaced.

>>8751042
Kind of, the difference is it’s two 240p images on alternating fields so you don’t get scanlines like you would on a single image

>>8707660
False. Most consoles didn't strictly adhere to the NTSC standard.
CRTs were flexible and and could support a given range of scanrates.

>>8707664
Why do people still continue to spout this "electronic hack of 480i" bullshit?

A CRT doesn't care about resolutions. They will display anything that's within the scanrate they support whether it'd be interlaced or progressive.
The whole "double-strike" shit is some retarded jargon coined by Nintendo that still confuses retards to this day.

>>8717846
>Developers would have preferred players to have computer monitors
False.
When a dev was asked what is a good TV to play retro games on he replied Sony Trinitron TV's which were at the time 300TVL on average.

For retro games which are basically output on a 320x240 window you don't need more than 320TVL.
Anything beyond that and you get the scanline effect WHICH NO DEV WANTED THE CONSUMER TO SEE.

>>8718009
None of this matters at all.
The games are 320 pixels wide so they look perfect at 320TVL with no discernible scanlines.
Anything beyond that is a meme and anything below that looks blurrier.

>>8718048
>Crappy
Looks perfect

>>8751449
>For retro games which are basically output on a 320x240 window you don't need more than 320TVL.
If we're talking about LCDs, then sure, but CRTs aren't as easy. Technically you'd want double the TVL to get the least data loss before the benefits are diminishing.

>>8751437
Because 240p isn’t a resolution standard of CRTs
To get a VGA monitor to 240p you have to also do a similar hack

>>8751451
What does TVL have to do with scan lines lol

>>8732664
Fuck no.
Arcade games didn't use composite.
What you want is a coarse mask RGB low TVL(~300 lines) CRT(preferably Shadow Mask).
The reason you get "pixelation" is because of the sharpness of the TV and it has fuck all to do with RGB.

Composite fetishists never cease to amaze me with their retardation. It's like they've never seen a real arcade cabinet in their lives.

>>8751470
Everything.
TVL = Horizontal Resolution.
The higher the TVL the thinner the actual video scanlines will be so the blank "absent" lines will correspondingly appear much thicker i.e Sony BVM D24 1000TVL for example.

Consumer CRTs in the 80s and early 90s were all around 300TVL or lower hence they didn't show the scanline effect.

>>8733672
If it has RGB or Component support it will.

>>8751485
Sounds like BS but I’ll believe it, I’m not quite sure how to count it accurately but I think my consumer set is 600tvl

>>8745610
Nasty. That looks like nearest neighbor scaling on an emulator.

>>8707432
>>8751505
Not bullshit at all, it's literally how it works.
At around 300TVL you don't have horizontal blank lines so you only have the spacing of the pixels.
This is also why 480i looks better on low end sets because the interlacing lines blend in with each-other and that decreases the perceivable flicker.

Pic related an aperture grille 300 line PVM.
There's a very good shader over at Libretro that emulates this look https://forums.libretro.com/t/sony-megatron-colour-video-monitor/36109/621
The maker of the shader still hasn't done an 8K version of this but I think it works fine in 1080p and 4K.

Slot Mask and Shadow Mask also makes the effect less pronounced due to the way they're laid out compared to Aperture Grill tech.
Composite and S-Video can also soften the image but often times it's not ideal.

600 lines is great for 480p games and okay for 240p but not ideal, that said 240p on 600tvl sets can look less harsh in Shadow Mask or Slot Mask.
Also there's the fact that many TVs which were advertised as being "600TVL" were not actually 600tvl.
For example JVC advertised many of their TVs as "700TVL" or something like that but in reality they were half of that and they were counting both Horizontal and Vertical Lines.
Your TV doesn't look very sharp if it indeed is a 600TVL set but it could be just the camera focus.

>>8751540
I dunno, mine looks great at 240p and 480i I measured the set across and it’s 560mm and each line is a little closer than 1mm

>>8751558
Also I forgot to add that’s composite which should’ve been obvious

>>8751558
480i will look really good on a 300-line set as I said partially because it hides some of the flicker. 600 lines is better for 480i because you see more detail but at the expense of more flicker, though this also depends on the phosphor persistence too(higher persistence = more motion blur/less flicker)
And like I said 600 lines can be okay for 240p but YMMV.

What is the brand and mask technology?

>>8751561
Yeah it looked like composite alright and composite can blur the image.
Some consoles have awful composite output in particular like the Genesis.
It also depends on the comb filter of the TV though, there are TVs out there that had filters so advanced that they made Composite look almost like RGB.

>>8751581
It has RGB and I do use it but I guess I just have nostalgia for composite on older consoles
It's a Grundig but the tube is Thomson

>>8751593
I'm gonna guess it's probably Slot Mask since pretty much all Consumer TVs were Slot Mask(apart from some few Shadow/Dot Mask ones from 70s/early 80s) until Sony's Aperture Grille trademark expired.

Nothing wrong with being nostalgic over composite on older consoles(though I'd go all the way to RF myself). Some consoles used RF/Composite tricks like the Genesis and the PSX for more colors and dithering, there was way less of that on SNES though.
Only thing that really sucks balls about RF/Composite is the dot crawl.

Model number?

>>8751612
yeah it's slot I reckon, here it is in the same area with RGB
model number is ST70-703 I think

How are CRT monitors for /vr/ console gaming? do 240p games look “good” or is it too sharp?

Hello /vr/os, I need some help or advice.

I have a SAMSUNG TV model CW-28C7VH that loses image. Specifically, playing games on ps1 or ps2 or watching a movie the image looks like purple, it loses image intensity. Not only that, but the top and bottom edges of the image look weird. They have a fixed strip of colors (red, green, etc). The sound is perfect.

I was looking to see if from the tv options menu I could run a test to correct the image or something similar (like with printers) but there is no similarity.

I have disassembled the TV, and I have removed the accumulated dust.

Can It be fixed? I paid 40€ for it and I would like to make the most of it. Tell me.

I only play games in s video what does this say about me

>>8751681
Most PC Monitors don't support 15khz unless you're talking about 80s Commodore monitors or something like that.

I recently got a pvm, what would be a good speaker setup for it?

I never had to use external speakers

Thank you to whoever suggested I get a B&O. Got an MX4000 and its both beautiful, inside and out.

However I am having a big issue. I bought the TV with a "remote" but it was just a generic one that doesn't actually allow me to access the settings. When playing PS1/2 I am getting major overscan, meaning its cropped a lot and I am missing a lot of info on the two sides.

Is there any way to fix this without the remote or do I need the remote?

And if I do, would it even allow me to change screen position/size?

>>8752060
welcome to BO remote hell
gotta pay the BO tax now

>>8752091

To be honest, if the BO (ew) tax lets me change the screen position/size etc then I will pay it reluctantly. But does it?

>>8752060
Yikes, I can see the big fat scanlines from here.

>>8751506
It's worse, actually. It's a bit hard to describe, but basically vertically it appears to merely line-double, but it does nothing horizontally, making it look sharper vertically than horizontally, if that makes sense. You'd have to see it in person, but trust me when I say it doesn't look good at all.

>>8752150

Not as fat as you my lad

speaking of remotes
>head into best buy looking for universal remotes
>their section is one just rack that's literally nothing but these fucking replacement samsung remotes that only work for samsung products
>literally one peg reserved for actual universal remotes and they're constantly sold out apparently

did they just accidentally order an entire pallet worth of samsung remotes or something that's dumb as shit

>>8750524
Good thing I went. It was an old guy moving and he had a fuckload of CRT monitors lying around from his old work place, said I could have any of them for free since I bought the sony for 60 bucks. Literally a dream come true, I took the 20 inch viewsonic. They both work nice, but for some reason the Viewsonic blinks on and off occasionally which is pretty annoying and I don't know what exactly is causing it as the other monitors don't do this. Anybody have any ideas?

>>8751834
I meant with emulation or a MiSTer.

>>8752910

Cute Sony one.

this actually sold...

wtf is going on?

>>8753047
I always like calling these silver crt/vcr tvs liquidation center tvs because I lived near a liquidation center around the late 2000's and they just constantly had shelves and shelves of crts like this for like 20$ a pop any time I shopped there.

>>8753047
Somebody heard about CRTs on YouTube, went to eBay and impulse bought the first thing they saw without doing any research.

Which Sony trinitron chassis is better:
BE-3B, BE-3D or FE-2?