/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8733768
it's Star Fox...but DRAGONS!

>>8733768
classic case of sega not having any games so their console warriors have to hype up a painfully mediocre clone of a good game

It's Star Fox, but not really because it's actually enjoyable game.

The music is so unique in the series, I love every soundtrack but it's a shame we never got one in the style of the first ever again. I'd still never trade the OSTs for the other 3 away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDT5VZgcsT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDLyFSo2ug8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE211j91xEg

>>8733768
L@@KR@RE

It's Star Fox, except Star Fox is an After Burner clone. So it's After Burner, which is okay because Sega made both.

>>8733768
Fun shooting, beautiful art direction with a unique feeling world, good music

>>8733783
>clone of a good game
>starfox 64 came out 1 after
stay mad

>>8733768
maybe it's not for you then

>>8733852
year*
also pd is better than starfox 64

>>8733774
It's funny because Star Fox Adventure starts the game with you rail shooting on a winged dinosaur. I wonder if it was a homage or merely an uncanny similarity.

Here's your 10/10 gameplay bro

>>8733880
>LuL LoOk 10sec Of GayMplAy
why are you guys so butthurt

>>8733886
jarpig with zero gameplay

>>8733768
Panzer Dragoon was shit until Xbox (a better Sega console than Saturn)

(Since everyone on this board are just driveby posters, I will make an attempt at a dialogue, however pitiable it may be)

>>8733774
It looks graphically atrocious. I don't even understand why it has to be dragons, or what any of the cybernetic stuff has anything to do with anything else. I read that this series has "le ebin lore" but honestly, it all feels amateurish at best. I'll see if Saga is any better, but so far my hopes are being summarily dashed. And people pay exorbitant prices just to play these... games.

>>8733792
You're fucking insane. Star Fox 64 is the baseline measure of what it means to be a great on-rails shooter (And remember, YOU brought it up first, so allow me to counter). All you do in Panzer, as far as I can tell, is mash the A button while you try to aim that very poor square reticule at hideous fucking enemies jittering against the grainy Saturn backgrounds, and occasionally charge to do a string of shots.

Compare that to SF64, where it has all range mode parts, U-turning, increased bank turning, barrel rolls to evade and reflect shots, team banter, giant epic bosses, and a more space opera feel than whatever rinky dink fanfic Team Andromeda tried cobbling together with the made up language or the dreary locales (Probably to hide the Saturn's poor 3D capabilities). Also, I hear this game is also 2 hours long. Is there any replay value? I highly doubt it.

>>8733857
"Its not for you", yeah, where does it end? When people stop acting like high and mighty pricks? You guys sucked this game off for ages, and it just doesnt seem up to snuff. Im debating this on the pretense that this game is worthy of its popularity, but its just more Segatard cope at the end of the day. No seriously, try telling me in what fashion is this game any better than, say, SF64, or Sin and Punishment.

>>8733880
Isn't that the sequel? LOL, what the actual hell. This series really is just style over substance

>>8733895
sorry if i dont have a webm of pd

>>8733903
this is so cringe and gay, Ive played sf64 on realhardware unlike you, its shity, slow, and faggy, with shity music and shity story, for furry faggots like you. Now panzer dragoon has proper music, proper story and nice style, also it plays good and is pretty impressive. its also more complex then sf64 since you can rotate the camera and shoot at things on ur right/left and behind. so there you go, stop being a furry s o y boy

>>8733903
nice spacing too

>>8733903
>Probably to hide the Saturn's poor 3D capabilities
retard spotted

>>8733783
This is how I maybe feel about PD: Saga
A alright game hyped up as fantastic due to console exclusive, and low print.

>>8733768
It's overrated because it's on the Saturn. Still a good game though.

>>8733945
>retard spotted

>>8733868
I'd say it's just a coincidence. It use to be Dinosaur planet after all and the Star Fox series up to that point were known as rail shooters.

One part Star Fox, one part Dune, on the rocks

>>8733903
oh god you're a fucking nintendildo man child

play panzer dragoon orta, it absolute shits on fucking star fux which no decent on rails player ever ranks high, its fucking furry shit for eternal infants.

>When people stop acting like high and mighty pricks?

like you then?

>try telling me in what fashion is this game any better than, say, SF64, or Sin and Punishment.

M U H NINTENDILDO

>>8733880
cope

>>8733768
It has a gorgeous first level with great design and music.
After that first level, the game is just nice, but not amazing.
PD II Zwei is where the series peaked. Great game from beginning to end.

>>8733768
if you dont cream your pants the moment you start the game youll never get it. and thats okay

>>8733903
why is this typed like the script to a youtube review. you should return to a certain other website

>>8733768
It's a fun rail shooter.

>>8733903
I’m not reading all that. Sorry you feel that way

>it is the year of our lord 2022
>furfags are still seething about PD
>it’s been nearly 30 years
>30
>fucking
>years

>>8735221
With that argument you could also call PD a "scaly" game. But the reality is that neither of them are pervert (ok, Rare might have went a bit furro with Krystal... I guess they liked the Amiga after all, these brits), but calling Star Fox furry is like calling, I dunno, Woody Woodpecker or any other classic cartoon with animals "furry". "Furry" isn't even a word that existed in the sense we use today back then.

>>8735221
Can you really say 30 years though? I never even knew this game existed until I started posting on this board. I only shit talk it cause it makes the ESL WebM autist seethe so hard >>8734221
I'm sure it's a fun enough game but I have never played it and am not really interested in ever trying it

>>8733903
Fucking dumbass, the style is based off designed off the works of the French artist Moebius, which is a thousand times more imaginative than fucking fighter ships in space. The reasons people pay tons of money to play the Panzer Dragoon games are
1) the Saturn didn't sell well outside Japan, so the games go for ridiculous prices
2) most Saturn games never saw re-releases
3) people in general are ignorant on emulation, downloading games and bios files

You keep bringing up Starfox and yet the only, ONLY one they ever got right was the one on 64, which came out TWO YEARS after the first Panzer Dragoon, you fucking idiot. Since then, Nintendo has completely disappointed their fans with fucked Starfox releases, never again giving Starfox fans what they wanted.

PD
>highly acclaimed game with an even better sequel
>team switched it up for the next game to great success
>returned to the shooter roots one last time before ending the series on a very high note
>series fondly remembered by those who played it as the perfect set of games
>series wasn’t whored out for years
>the weird out of genre RPG is hailed as one of the best games ever made
>overarching plot that spans across all 4 games with deep, complex backstories and motivations

Star Fox
>highly acclaimed game with an even better sequel, but that’s it
>series was switched up for next game to massive failure
>series never returned to its roots proper. Newer games were weird hybrids or had gimmicks stapled on that ruined the experience
>series is now widely seen as a washed up joke, full of mediocre games and with a fanbase consisting entirely of furfags
>series name is slapped onto unrelated projects in order to shift copies
>the weird out of genre action RPG is seen as the worst game in the series and a total bizarro embarrassment
>every new game is just a retelling of 64’s plot. The last time they tried something new (adventures), it was a total joke

>>8735271
>team switched it up for the next game to great success
If no one bought the games how were they a "great success"? And who are these imaginary people in your head that think jank dragon jarpig edition #100005 is a great game lmao
No one cares about this series dude

>>8733768
Rubbish game

>>8735286
name one good Star Fox game that was made after SF64.

>>8735307
Post your copy. Every PD hater here never even played the game.

>>8735307
Quality post

>>8735413
Don't need to play it to know it's rubbish

>>8733868
Is star fox assault worth getting?

>>8735432
Great board /vr/ is. Full of non retro playing anons who somehow know best.

>>8735432
Nintendo fans never play anything outside of their ecosystem

>>8735286
>If no one bought the games how were they a "great success"?
They sold well considering the system wasn't doing well outside of Japan. And reviews from the time were pretty positive.
> And who are these imaginary people in your head that think jank dragon jarpig edition #100005 is a great game lmao
It got pretty good ratings when it came out in 1998. Generally 9/10 or higher.

>>8735432
still waiting on that one good starfox game since SF64

>>8734190
both seem fine to me, with some water effects on the saturn version

>>8735230
starfox made me furry so fuk u

>>8735230
Furry was definitely around when SF64 came out

>>8735413
chad move

>>8735437
if you like krystal and latex, yes

>>8735413
Here's mine.

>>8735543
"Furry" was around, see Sabrina on Amiga, but it was very niche and the average person didn't know about that weird fetish, like nowadays that the internet made everyone aware and there's a lot more people into it.
Saying anything with animal characters from the 90s is "furry" is shitty bait by people who have a weird brain programming.

>>8735247
>this entire post

>>>/v/

>>8733768
The first game is pretty lousy. Zwei and Saga are where it's at.

>>8733768
it looked amazing when it came out
it’s still a top-class example of atmosphere, worldbuilding, and soul
but 99% of threads here are somebody who can’t properly contextualize games they weren’t there for and get upset when they aren’t focus-tested like modern games with all the rough edges smoothed over

>>8733903
oh, this is a nintenyearold thread, kys

>>8733898
blessed post

>>8733903
I'll try to share my opinions on what you said in roughly the order you wrote them.

Comparing this game to StarFox 64 graphically is a bit of a stretch due to the rapidly advancing 3d graphics.
Starfox for SNES came out in March of 93. Panzer Dragoon came out in March of 95. Panzer Dragoon Zwei came in March of 96. Stafox 64 released in April of 97.

So, by release date this first PD game is right in the middle of the two starfox games, which it is what it looks like graphically in my opinion. I would say that every game I just listed was at the cutting edge of home console graphics at its time. 3d polygonal graphics really were improving that fast. Panzer Dragoon Orta came out in 02 and looks better than all of these of course. But graphics don't make the game.

Starfox 64 is a great game, maybe better than Panzer Dragoon idk. Its definitely longer, it might be longer than PD1 and 2 combined. The dogfights are fun too but the level two boss in PD is a good 1 on 1 dragon battle. The final bosses in Panzer Dragoon 1 and 2 are both better than Andross and his brain. I'd say they're about even on bosses.

There's more to PD than just button mashing, that seems like a ridiculous simplification. Even space harrier involved strategy and we're a long way from there. Controlling the camera was a completely novel concept at the time. Combined with the two different types of shots there was a lot of strategy involved. Using the radar and making decisions about prioritizing which enemies to shoot first and whether to shoot them with the gun or homing missiles all while maneuvering your dragon makes for a rail shooter with depth and strategy. Maximize your score by shooting homing missiles or go for the easier kills with the gun? Maybe just focus on evasion? Tank a few hits but keep that 100% high score running and just barely limp to the finish line victorious? All stratagies I've used. Part of the fun is experimenting on different playthroughs.

>>8733903
>>8740526
Starfox has barrel rolls (a simple button push) for avoiding enemies along with loops while in the Panzer Dragoon games you typically aim and shoot enemy projectiles which can be more difficult, or you need to shoot your enemies before they can even fire at you. People have different preferences on this one, for good reasons. Multiple lock-ons vs single lockons with a blast radius are another great differentiating factor. I generally see the differences in these two games as good things, like Sonic and Mario, not "Starfox is doing it right and Panzer is doing it wrong"

The main replay value of Panzer Dragoon is trying to beat your previous high score. In the original, there are no alternate or secret routes. This is the same type of replay value that so many other legendary games have, especially arcade classics (which are a definite influence).

The story seemed fine to me. I like Starfox's ok too. I don't really care too much. They're quite different. Both have good music but PD has the edge over both Starfox 64 and its sequel to me.

If anybody is paying for Saturn games
they're a complete idiot, I think we agree here.

Panzer Dragoon 2 has alternate routes, improved graphics, 3d controller support and your dragon evolves to get more homing missiles. I've always thought the final level where you attack an airship was amazing, especially for 96. I always thought the snowy level was a dud though. It has more replay value with a pandra's box menu where you can create your own scenarios. Maybe you'll like this one a little better?

Panzer Dragoon Saga was fun and had a unique battle system and interesting story. I'm not too into RPGs but I liked it. Best game of all time? Probably not but it kept me interested, which is saying something.

>>8733903
>>8740526
>>8740529
Orta might be the best of the series, at least in some ways. I kind of prefer the older titles for their arcade-style simplicity. It takes bits and pieces of all of the previous games and puts together a great shooter with a story that is actually legitimately cringe-inducing. It's a truly awful story, no argument here. You can change your dragon an the fly, speed up and slow down like in Starfox 64, level it up by collecting power-ups and use positioning on the boss battles like in Saga. There's tons of unlockable content and good music. Great graphics and its longer than the other two.

are you kidding? you get to ride. A DRAGON. fuck yes it is cool.

Id agree it's written off as good a lot by people who have never played it. It is true.

I emulated them on pc and liked the sequels a lot better, prob top 10 games of all time. Playing it again seems daunting though