/vr/ - Retro Games

stupid evangelical moms

>>8729170
it was a simpler time

"consensual sex is simply not appropriate for this wholesome police murder simulator."

Someone really conjured this thought without any hint of sarcasm in 2004.

they fear the bbc

>>8729176
But police murder is a good thing

Typical American news media of the time. Violence is fun and good but badly animated sex in a mainstream video game that you had to hack to get access to is basically the start of the apocalypse.

boomers new media hated fucking GTA in the early 2000's and were frothing at the mouth for ANY excuse to get the games banned. Hot Coffee was perfect ammo for that.

Remember that was a time where people practically considered it a fact that games caused violence.

>>8729170
Man I had 100% forgotten about this shit. Really takes me back. Are there even any game-related moral panics and media shitflinging these days?

>>8729249
Souls games being too hard

>>8729249
Plenty. They all take the form of "[Developer] said a [ideology] thing on Twitter".

>>8729170
All these replies and not a single person said the reason.

It got huge because the content meant it should have been rated adult. A game getting a wrong rating started a few gaming journalists and similar to cause a stink for some clicks/magazine purchases. Ignorant republican Qaren types got pissed from the original complaints to give them something to do, ignoring the original articles issue with ESRB bypassing, not the sex aspect. Those Qaren types are easy to sell to so more places started publicizing it as a sex controversy and not what it originally was; a ESRB rating fail/bypass.

Seems like most retards in here forget it was months of regular reporting on it before it made it to mainstream news. All the original reporting was about reprints and the fact it was being pulled to be patched when it was still selling (tens of)thousands of copies daily.

there was that video game violence youtube video 5 years ago from THE white house. what the hell was that

>>8729249
Yeah there is a site called resetera that doxxes/harrass any developer who commits wrongthink

>>8729170
it wasn't

>>8729254
>>8729276
Woketards harassing devs isn't really the same thing.

>>8729307
>Woke
They're nazis, anon. They're what I call "blue nazis", people who pretend to be left-wing to lull people in before converting them to extremist beliefs by saying "No, they're not liberal, they're conservative, WE are the TRUE liberals!" while encouraging them to harass the fuck out of their target.

It's no different from how it's "elders" in groups like the Irish Republican Army prod the younger generation into doing all the dirty work. Proof they're nazis? When's the last time you heard anyone under the age of 50 say "coon"?

See also: /r/greenandpleasant, that's one news article away from being banhammered but people don't realize they're blue nazis because they're idiots.

It was an avenue for boomer outrage culture to attack a video game, which they took anytime they could until somewhat recently.

>>8729260
No, you're describing what it was MISreported as. These scenes are not available in the game, ever, unless hacked. It did not merit AO rating but was forced to bear it because the misinformed outrage mob did not care about facts.

>>8729359
ESRB made the same rating mistake with the Oblivion where it was originally rated T, but got changed to M after people discovered nude models inside the game files.

>>8729323
Take your meds

>>8729170
it had an M rating, not Ao

>>8729176
The people that threw a fit over hot coffee also already hated GTA in general
But >>8729232 has a point
We're a country that can be puritanical over cleavage and censor the chests of women while at the same time having pay per view coverage on the invasion of Iraq

>>8729260
>Ignorant republican Qaren types
>Those Qaren types

Listen here mutt, next time, speak like a non CIAglownigger, and I'll listen.

>>8729307
Getting "canceled" on twitter is the same thing as the government itself threatening to censor polygon boobies, in fact it's probably even worse than murder.
The Republican party practically makes cancel culture whining as part of its platform more than any act material issue. It's why you see a lot of conservatives siding with Putin because "no Russian ever called me racist!". They're mindbroken

Think of the retarded mutt above me. That evil narcissism. Thats why it was controversial.

>>8729323
>They're nazis, anon.
>Proof they're nazis? When's the last time you heard anyone under the age of 50 say "coon"?
You do know there are actual literal neo-Nazis posting on this site, right? And they're the most Nazis you'll find on one site without going somewhere that would put you on a watchlist.
And they say the most obscure try-hard slurs that even Klansmen wouldn't know, and hold beliefs about black people much much worse than just calling them mean names.
Right?

>>8729418
You are mentally ill

If we were a white-only conservative Christian theocracy, this would've never happened and everyone would be okay with this and San Andreas in general

As you can see from the evil mutt above. They have no values or morals. In fact, when you think about it, the opposition and controversy against the hot coffee mod had no morals to it. It really was nothing more then some outrage done by politicians like Clinton who wanted to use the opportunity to acquire more power, which is why in the years after nobody gave a shit, California tried to pass laws to ban violent video games being sold to children before a Supreme court ruling tossed it out. Thats the nature of the most evil nation on Earth. They screamed about reasonable people then, they screamed about reasonable people over freedom fries and they scream about reasonable people even if it means nuclear war.

>>8729432
True, in fact, I don't even like these retards who want to pretend that the average boomer or American actually cared, like the Hot Coffee was some real national controversy, the only boomers who cared are the type of faggots who sits down on TV and swallows everything the US media says. Although, I guess its hard to differentiate. But the truth is that the Hot Coffee mod wasn't a real "controversy". Americans weren't really offended and Americans didn't really care.The only ones who cared were gamers who spent their time on the internet, mostly being offended about Jack Thompson. It was just some stupid shit stirred up by gaming journalists, and the MSM because politicians latched onto the issue for a brief moment because of a anti-video game crusade led by some weird ass lawyer. Thats it.

>>8729170
I preferred Tales of Symphonia's hot coffee scene.

mericans go hysterical over anything that shows skin

>>8729323
>>8729418
>>8729432
Extremely unmedicated posts, very schizophrenic.
Conservatives are the ones who went apeshit the most over GTA and violent video games.

>>8729170
Americans

>>8729170
Rightwing aunts are retarded

>>8729459
it's actually cold though

>>8729252
fuck off Fromdrone, your dodging simulators are not even hard let alone being a huge controversial topic like hot coffee mod

>>8729459

If I remember right that game did have a hot springs scene, or something to that effect (no glorious nude Raine drawings though, too bad)

>>8729174
I think I would normally agree with this sentiment, but the older I get and the more times change, the more you realize that the world you knew doesn't exist anymore, and your grip over it is even less than it ever was. Stuff like GTA was completely uncharted ground back in the early 00's, most boomers had no idea about how videogames, the internet or even computers worked, the sexual nature of it was the tipping point into full on controversy. With Vice City you already needed to be 18 to buy it.

Something else is that people forget these games are British made, and the creators and their perceived crowd probably had very different moral sensibilites to Americans (which is why this series spawned in the first place).

>>8729213
Fpbp.

>>8729252
That's because it's the only hard game sports 'n shooters normies have ever played.

>>8729719
This is completely wrong. GTA was controversial across the pond in the 90s.

>>8729170
manufactured controversy, only boomers cared about it

>>8729232
fucking this, do you guys remember when american news media fucked illusion hard ? they were like " WTF obscure japanese porn game has a rape function?, we better report this to entire country and act like this is a illegal porn or something".

It was what the right was whipping their voters up about at the time. now it’s crt

>>8730530
Why do they hate our cathode ray TVs?!

>>8729170
The controversy was that Rockstar didn't disclose the existence of the content to the ratings board, because they had "commented it out" in the code, and thus didn't consider it part of the shipped game. But the material was still on-disc, so it was trivial to add it back in the "otherwise-official" content. It's not like the general public was familiar with games back then, so most people heard of it as "they bought a game for their kids that had hidden sex content in it". It was stupid though, as most controversies are, as everyone has pointed out already - you do far worse things than sex in GTA.

>>8729758
It wasn't even obtainable in burgerclapistan right?
Isn't rapelay still on like every banned vidya list while other, later games with rape or worse are just fine? I remember fucking twitch has it mentioned by name despite porn games being a no-no by default already
Hell normal porn has more fucked up shit in it but I guess this was riding the wave of
>Well saying tv causes violence is retarded and we've been called retarded, but you control the vidya so you MUST want to do the things depicted!
Unfortunately that shit is still being peddled every so often
>gta made me steal that car
>loli anime made me rape 15 children
>saw made me a sociopathic sadist and rube goldberg enthusaist
>cooking mama made me a 4 star chef
>violent TV and porn made me rape and murder 30 women this one isn't hyperbole it's a paraphrase of ted bundy's justification of his actions
bullshit errytime and always has been, one of the oldest studies to try and peddle this shit is basically fraud but like a lot of old psych shit still gets treated as valid somehow

>>8729170
Believe it or not dear zoomer. There was a time when this world had some decency. A time when people knew when to stop this kind of immoral garbage. Thats why retro games where so special, they got to the point, they didn't dwell on the same coom garbage that you and your degenerate pals are so used to coomsume. Rewind your brain, stop the programming before it's too late. Stop watching so much gangbang porn before going to bed and clean yourself up.

The thing about this was it wasn't really the sex part, it's that boomers just in general hated videogames and this gave them an excuse. It's just something about their generation, even Trump wanted to go after videogames.

>>8729176
>>8729232
>>8729758
>>8731875
I really fucking hate when people say this because it's obvious they either weren't alive at the time or didn't watch the news. Hot Coffee was like the one really notable time videogames were criticized for sexual content, 99.9% of the time videogames were explicitly attacked because of their violent nature, the entire argument of "americans hate sex but love violence" completely flies in the face of what actually happened back then.

The idea that videogames made people more prone to violence was the entire crux of Jack Thompson's crusade against videogames. It's why people tried to blame Columbine on Doom. It's why GTA was being attacked for years long before the Hot Coffee incident happened. It's why Joe Lieberman and Herb Kohl organized the senate hearings about realistic depictions of violence in videogames. I mean why the fuck do you think Mortal Kombat was controversial?

Game was rated M, had unused content leftover in the game, sex mini game complete with voice lines, that could be activated through other means that weren't in the game itself, so that bumped the rating to AO, until a new version was released without this leftover content.

>>8729170
>Why was this so controversial?
Because western parents have a meltdown if their children are exposed to even the slightest pixel of a female nipple.
And it's not THEIR job to regulate the media their children are exposed to, it's the governments!

>>8729601
Hes right though. The games arent hard for people who spend a lot of time playing videogames, but they are for casuals and normalfags.
Any game that doesnt have a difficulty option and requires even a small amount of effort and skill is blasted by specific groups of people for not having enough accessibility because they think all video games should be made to be equally enjoyable to all people.

I remember when my parents didn't want to buy me TESIV: Oblivion for my birthday one year and I had to give them the lowdown on the nipples not actually being present in the final version of the game. They actually heard me out, surprisingly.

>>8731913
>Hot Coffee was like the one really notable time videogames were criticized for sexual content,
Not true. I remember boomer news sperged out pretty hard when Mass Effect had just come out.
They threw a fit because you could have sex with the Asari consort on the Citidel towards the beginning of the game. It was far more tame than Hot Coffee though, just some close ups of non explicit parts of her body. Funny how they never brought up the other sex scenes with the other characters.

Cause you do be gettin a bow yob You know, gettin ya box sucked?

>>8731913
>Hot Coffee was like the one really notable time videogames were criticized for sexual content
Right off the top of my head I can think of people being triggered over the duke nukem strip clubs and night trap's provocative setting of a teen slumber party invaded by creepy men. Like this anon said >>8732152 people brought this shit up AGAIN with mass effect 1. Its not a new thing, because the american perspective was that video games were toys for children exclusively and any thing uncouth in them was out of the question.

>>8729170
Simply too ahead of its time. These days it would be celebrated by the media.

>>8729170
Americans HATE sex but are ok with gangbanging

>>8732152
>>8732159
I didn't count Mass Effect because that was 2007. the industry was pretty different by that point. You can say that San Andreas was only 3 years earlier, but a lot had changed in 3 years.
That being said, Duke Nukem and Night Trap are perfectly valid examples.

>>8732218
>I didn't count Mass Effect because that was 2007. the industry was pretty different by that point. You can say that San Andreas was only 3 years earlier, but a lot had changed in 3 years.
That's a silly argument. Yes, the industry changed, everything changes when time passes, but it's still another example of moral outrage about sexual content in mature rated videogames.

It's not retro though, so you could have just used this board definition of it as a better argument to exclude it as an example.

>>8729170
because they slapped a certain rating on it and pulled the content at the last minute. If they were honest about it, it wouldn't have caused a fuss.

>>8729170
they felt tricked

>>8729170
Interacial sex should be banned, not controvercial.

>>8729724
Didn’t say it wasn’t, what I meant was that the games were made by people alien to the sensibilities of the culture it was made in. To this day no American developer has made a game as edgy and as critical of American culture as GTA (and also Manhunt, RDR, etc), stuff like Saints Row borders on complete ridiculousness, not satire. It took a foreign developer with different sensibilities to do this, hence why it was a far bigger moral panic in the US. In other parts of the world the game was just seen as unnecessary violent, but the moral panic wasn’t as pronounced.

>>8731523
boomers saw us playact mario and do innocent things that happened in video games (like jumping around yelling WAHOO) and immediately jumped to the conclusion that "if kids do what videogames do so if you do violence in videogames kids will do violence"

>>8732176
GTA6 should have gay sex with a tranny

>>8731875
In the 90's these christian nutters spent the last 30 years trying to get dungeons and dragons banned while being mostly laughed and then it comes out the priests were raping the kids and in some desperate attempt they tried to distract people by bringing up mortal kombat etc.

>>8729170
1993 doom comes out and people are shocked, 2 years later every game is that violent and no one cares. Same thing with swearing but that is cringe.

>>8731523
>Isn't rapelay still on like every banned vidya list while other, later games with rape or worse are just fine?
It's probably cause it was physical media and physical PC games are getting rarer. Otherwise, they'd have to block access to DLsite in general cause of loli games & things like Battle Slave Fantasia. It's not like they're paying much attention, tho.

>>8729173
>>8729551
Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton were coastal liberals, one a Jew and the other atheist. So you can kindly fuck yourself retards.

>>>/b/

>>8729232
But kids are more likely to have sex than to go on a shooting spree... at least, before Columbine that is...

>>8729170
it wasn't. americans are prudes and their politicians are retards, that's all.

>>8736501
Hillary Clinton is a Methodist, retard.

>>8738518
Do Satanists know that the deity they pray to is a Methodist?

>>8732152
>Not true. I remember boomer news sperged out pretty hard when Mass Effect had just come out
>boomer news
Stopped reading there. I blame a lot of that on Bill O'Reilly, thankfully force-retired once he was exposed as a secret perv.

>>8738518
Yeah I'm sure she's a VERY motivated Methodist and that isn't a cynical political vestige of the boomer era

>>8729176
you are being generous in supposing these "people" generate their own ideas. in reality there is a jewish box in every room where they gather and they receive all their ideas from the box. that's why the one sex mod the box decided to go after was controversial and no other.

I think it was controversial because Rockstar thought that no one would be able to access it so they didn't submit it as part of the ratings for the game. They were wrong.

I think the funnier thing is how much of a controversy was NOT generated by Oblivion. Just two years later they ran into the same trouble, except worse. They had "topless" character models on-disk that people patched back in (analogous to San Andreas), except they also had content (pic related) that they just didn't properly show during the rating review process. They had to go back and re-label all of their games as "M" instead of "T" (mature vs teen), and some retailers stopped selling the game.
For some reason it didn't generate a lot of controversy though, again, the public/media combination is retarded and inconsistent.

>>8729170
It's a game about being a criminal who breaks the law in pretty much every way possible and regularly goes on killing sprees, often killing innocents just for fun. Also you can have normal, consentual sex if you modify the game and for some reason THAT is the big problem.

>>8739621
Thebcharacter models make this extraordinarily hard to take seriously. It looks like a mod

>>8729758
If only they knew the shit you can get today...

>>8729170
Because the ESRB rating was M when it was discovered. I think it got re-rated to AO later on to account for that. And it wasn't nearly as controversial as your zoomer ass thinks.

it happened when games were still seen as advanced toys, and sex hadn't been depicted in a mainstream game at that point. It was shocking because boomer parents would buy games for their kids without really knowing or caring what was in them and assumed that the state of the industry was still sonic and mario.

You ever stop and think that maybe people consuming all this extreme violence is at least partially responsible for the mass increase of school shootings and general violence we see? Something has changed in society, this shit used to not be so rampant. I don't think video games is sole cause, but playing a game where you sadistically kill people will have an impact on your psyche.

>>8742363
The high point of crime and serial killers was in the 70s-80s before GTA was a thing, so Imma go with no.

>>8739621
I recall the first couple of sex mods (as hilariously simple as they were) getting a fair bit of attention as well. Of course, still nowhere near San Andreas.

>>8742828
That's true, but they weren't made by Bethesda, unlike the nude models, or Hot Coffee.

>>8731523
You forgot that Doom/Quake is the reason some kid built pipebombs and shot up Columbine. Neither games have pipebombs. (the kid who shot up the school did in fact make some Doom levels).

also
>saw made me a rube goldberg enthusaist
lol.
is there a game/movie/whatever featuring a rubik's cube killer?

>>8742961
Cube (1997), sort of.
>Doom/Quake is the reason
No way, José. They (it wasn't one "kid") liked Doom, yes, but it wasn't why they shot up the school. They hated everyone already and were fucked in the head from way before. Doom just got blamed for it.

>>8729173
Eat a dick nigger lol, fucktards who opposed to sex being a thing in San Andreas somehow were completely okay with the endless murder and violence
Wow, killing people is sure better than having sex, only the most natural act ever

>>8729170
BOOBA = BAD
GANG VIOLENCE = GOOD

>>8742363
lol New york in the 80s is way worse than shit these days

>>8729170
violence good, sex bad

>>8743245
>>8743536
Yes?

Niggers relentlessly killing each other over drugs, for fun or "muh hood" = GOOD
Boring, pixelated buba and retarded sex scenes = BAD

What's wrong with that?

>>8742363
violence has gone down in pretty much every way outside of the rare incel mass shooting which are usually politically motivated. more time spent inside with a hobby equals less time out establishing yourself in the alpha pecking order. the problem of videogames is the exact opposite of what was feared in the past, it's making kids less likely to do anything in the real world whether that be aggression or doing something productive.

>>8742363
The link is not what you think. The breakdown of society is causing more men to escape into video games. The breakdown of society is also pushing more men into violence.

>>8742363
The only reason you think there's more crime is because the media makes money from highlighting individual cases then implies it's a widespread problem

Americans are retarded prudes who quake at the thought of nakedness yet are more than fine with explicit depictions of gore. Fucking bizarre people.

>>8736501
evangelical soccermoms did used to be a thing to some extent 15- to 20 years ago, the last gasp of the satan panic carried into the 00s, obviously there's been a realignment.

>>8743594
figure covid would have caused violence to go down not up

>>8743606
>evangelical soccermoms did used to be a thing to some extent 15- to 20 years ago
Sure, it wasn't just Jews cynically demonizing a medium they didn't control yet. A realignment, indeed.

>>8736501
I think Lieberman's and Clinton's aversion to video games were less about them being Democrats and more about them just being culturally clueless out of touch boomers. Like, look at how the PMRC tried to ban music with explicit content. That was led by Al Gore's wife, but it was mostly a bipartisan effort. Or look at the satanic panic surrounding people playing Dungeons & Dragons. Back then, mainstream Democrats were mostly as socially conservative as mainstream Republicans.

>>8743618
I'm sure Jewish businessman were well in control of take2interactive at the time.

>>8743590
>>8743592
Correct
>pushing more men into violence
Not really, it's only more men within a certain small subset of the population. The vast majority are less violent than ever before. It's very likely we live in the least violent era of human history...
>>8743594
...apart from 2014. Good night, sweet prince.

>>8743623
>I think Lieberman's and Clinton's aversion to video games were less about them being Democrats and more about them just being culturally clueless out of touch boomers
err, didn't these guys remember their parents screaming about Elvis ruining America?

>>8743623
>Back then, mainstream Democrats were mostly as socially conservative as mainstream Republicans.
You're remembering wrong, probably because the scale for "conservative" is so different now when we have literal nazis and communists as prevalent political views.

>>8743920
It has less to do with a reaction to cultural trends and more about demographic change leaving boomers with the options of either with a massive foreign non-White population or perma-nihilism from any White person under 30. They are completely blindsided by the world they created.

>>8742363
stop selling assault rifles in walmarts, problem solved.

>thread is on autosage
ayyy