/vr/ - Retro Games

90s brits were powerful
argonauts and rare were kings among kings

Rare was peak gaming up until thet left for Microsoft. That being said, I think Conkers Bad Fur Day is one of their worst games. People only remember it fondly for the experience it offered. Most segments in the game feel like a chore to get through.

>>8722195
it’s a a real diamond in the rough among the diamond dozen snes games put there

DKC and M.C. Kids were really great western platformers.

>>8722308
Best soundtrack and possibly top 5 best gameplay for the system

>>8722327
Compared to Bart vs. the Space Mutants? They are nothing.

>>8722292
Everything Rare made post dkc sucked. If you think Perfect Dark and Jet Force Gemini match up to Battletoads you are wrong.

>>8722762
Space Mutants has a kino first level, a shame the devs didn't push the adventure elements in the later levels.

>>8722790
Perfect Dark was godlike

>>8722790
Blast Corps is great.
Jet Force Gemini is great, I love the enemy AI and overall creativity that was put into all the enemies and how they interact in real time.

>>8722195
it's crazy how good this is

>>8722790
>Perfect Dark
Arguably the best of the highly influential Golden-like genre

>Jet Force Gemini
Arguably the first real third-person shooter ever made

Hmm? Rare was still amazing during the N64. They fell off in the 2000s, most people agree.

I'm blinded by nostalgia since it was the first game I ever played, but it really is wonderful. Got it on right now, found my original cart in my granny's basement last summer and have been playing a lot. I'm not usually into speedrunning but I really like doing the extendo rolls, exploiting developer shortcuts, and using glitches in this game. I remember being 4 years old on this screen, and thinking the little dots on the path might be levels too so I kept tapping A to try and land on one as I walked between the first and second stages. Turns out there is a warp right in the bend, and got taken to a later level I hadn't seen before. It kind of freaked me out. Turns out that's a strat used in some runs today. I love that my dumb child brain brute forcing button presses found that out

>>8722839
>They fell off in the 2000s
Rare literally fucking died in the 2000's, anon. "Fell off" is a gross understatement.

>>8722839
As far as I know, all the big talents left (don't know why), this is what kills most studios
And then if you consider the big pubs and how they keep buying all the studios, they basically don't let any talents actually take over
So all we're left now is a hollow as western industry

>>8722790
banjo kazooie is the genre leader for sandbox collectathon platformers. this is mostly due to the genre's collapse post 2005, but there was a lot of competition.

>>8724146
Well, Greg Mayles who was pretty much the main guy behind DKC and Banjo is still at the company to this day. The Goldeneye and Perfect Dark side of the company left to form Free Radical, and Chris Seavor (Conker) stuck with the company for ten years after the Microsoft acquisition.
I think the main thing really is they benefited from having Nintendo there to beat them with a stick, and force them to produce games of a certain quality, while Microsoft were more content to let them produce whatever.

>bonefied

>>8722195
I have a fondness for this game only because it was the very first time I ever gave head. My buddy at the time that was obsessed with this game and was playing it when things... escalated. That was one of my favorite summers ever.

>>8722839
>most zoomers agree
I got a bunch of replies but none of you anons have ever played Bartletoads.

>>8726136
don't forget to look under your bed for zoomers tonight anon
and outside your bathroom window

>>8722810
>5fps
>godlike
lmao

>>8726164
>PERFECT DARK IS LITERAL PERFECTION
On launch GE was alright for what it was. PD had no excuse. Battletoads and dkc can still be played to this day as they hold up as no one seems to be able to make platformers anymore.

It's just Nintendo supervising and not letting them release garbage. Same with other western devs
>original Retro devs
Metroid Prime is awesome and ReCore fucking sucks
>MercurySteam
Samus Returns and Dread are great and their Castlevania games are shit

>>8725026

>>8722813
I really need to get around to beating it. I'm playing the latest entry and loving it, but haven't made an honest attempt at beating the first game since I was a teen.

The most fun thing about this series in play is that you can roll off ledges and then jump, which is an error on their part. I'm not ready to attribute DKC's greatness to actual competence.

>>8729268
>which is an error on their part
It is required to 100% each game in the series.

>>8722195
Western devs can make classics if they follow Japanese design sensibilities

>>8729874
Morrowind is better than any jrpg.

>>8726127
that’s hot but highly unrelated

>>8722195
2 is better and arguably the best game on the system

>>8731483
No it isn't. I'll swap you my copy of 2 for 1.

>>8729268
You can't beat dkc2 as diddy without doing that though

>>8729874
what japanese design sensability is Doom following?

>>8731486
false, incorrect

>>8731493
Well, having swastikas displayed for no reason is very Japanese.

>>8731493
Japs knew FPS were poorly designed games and were mostly right. Look at Nu games for proof.

>>8722195
A classic in its own right, to be sure, but laying the groundwork for this masterpiece was its greatest contribution.

>>8731586
I get why people think this is better, but it loses a ton of its charm by not actually allowing you to play as Donkey Kong.

>>8731586
DKC1 has a completely different style of level design so whenever someone acts like DKC2 obsoletes it or some shit it's really the mark of a total pleb

No clue what they were hitting in the 90s but they stopped in the following decade. DKC3 GBA's redone soundtrack has none of the old energy. Maybe being owned by MS is that soulcrushing.

>>8722195
>say what you will about Western devs
>8 out of 14 of the titles labelled "best game ever made" in pic related in 1993 were made in the West
>/vr/ continues to shit the bed, pretending that jap-crap is anything special

What does it feel like living in a land of pretend?

>>8733083
I never said it renders the original obsolete.

>>8733146
The GBA soundtrack has a better Stilt Village track. The rest is inferior.

>>8731493
Doom has 2D Mario and Zelda DNA (largely traps and hidden rooms, not too surprising considering iD's history with platformers) and deathmatch happened because Romero was big into fighting games at the time

>>8733083
This. DKC1's level design philosophy was "Copy/paste another cave level here."

>>8734307
>Doom has 2D Mario and Zelda DNA

I can't tell if you're trolling, or you're legitimately fucking brain damaged. Not only does that make zero sense, but if we're going back that far, Akalabeth had more influence on Doom than either of those games since Akalabeth had a first-person dungeon-delving perspective and was influenced by Dungeons and Dragons, which Doom was as well. Secondly, hidden rooms and secret areas were a concept originally from Dungeons and Dragons, being the first "game" ever to include the concept of not only exploring dungeons, but also hidden areas inside dungeons.

So in essence, based on your logic, all Japanese video games currently have Western design influences and philosophy behind them.

>>8722790
Rare always sucked shit. For every good game they made like R.C. Pro-AM there were 20 piles of trash.

>>8722195
The UK was the Japan of Europe until all the bedroom coders and their start ups sold out to publishers.

>>8726173
>not playing at 60fps

>>8722203
>>8722195
90s Brit Devs were so powerful that one of them legit married and ripped up Miyamoto's daughters vagina.

Look at Miyamoto's face, he knows his daughter will never walk the same again

This game proved that Nintendo fans are fucking retards that play games for all the wrong reasons

>>8731483
This. The series did not become truly bonified until Donkey Kong Country 2.

>>8734472
What the fuck? Who is he? What games did he make?

>>8734472
Sakamoto looking cute.

>>8722195
A bananafied classic!

>>8734472
isn't this a fake story?

>>8729268
>error
It might have been an exploit that they left in, as they found out it made the game more fun (maybe it was a GameXplain interview with David Wise). But it's not a complete "error" since some things require it for completion and obviously designed around it.

>>8734456
>The UK was the Japan of Europe
The UK was the Japan of the entire west. Fucking top tier throughout the 90s and early 00s. Even now they punch well above their weight.

clunky game with cringe aesthetics

>>8734928
comfy game with amazing aesthetics.

>>8722195
>Say what you will about western devs
Western devs made more great games from 1995-2005 than Japanese.

>>8734952
Maybe, but only because Japan fell off a cliff after 2001, and Western devs began to go nuts with high budget multiplat titles.

>>8734971
Eh? Japan had one of it's best years in 2003.

>>8734952
>>8734971
not even slightly close. Japan's streak only ended with the 7th gen, which coincidently marked the death of video games. And even then, the shining beacon of that gen managed to be the souls series, made by a japanese company.