/vr/ - Retro Games

megaton edition is on ps3/x360 so nope.

>>8704493
>not vr
try harder

>>8704495
give it a year

>>8704490
Wrong. While i do love the Saturn port, The 64 version is actually far superior and a massive game altogether, with tons of added content. One of few games worth owning the system for.

>>8704619
kek the n64 version? have you seen that crap? shity filter and no music, kek, sorru but I'll stay with my saturn version

>>8704619
Its really cool on the 64 version, there are levels you can access that are hidden in the PC version and even if you use the 64 version level select code, it wont show them, but they are still unlockable in this version by doing the secret means to get to them.

>>8704624
but, no music?

>>8704624
The game is huge, dukebots are hilarious with their own multiplayer maps (or multi-player if you have friends) i prefer the dual smgs, and different weapons, and i could go on. It's hands down the best duke experience on console, but enough going for it to make it different that it's worth owning on its own right. As for the other anon saying lack of music, i think the silence adds more to the nature of some of the levels. Also to add, certain stages do contain a creepy ambient loop that keeps the player on edge.

>>8704642
the n64 has some shity filters and censorship, the saturn version plays well, has music, no censorship and no shity filters, why would you sacrifice image quality, music and no censorship just for some few levels

>>8704647
The censorship is lame, but they replaced it with new stuff and even expanded some of the maps, where as the Saturn port was more faithful to the original, but so much content was cut and scrapped to fit the game. The filters on 64 are not that terrible, and it runs at a higher fps i do believe. And more content was added than a few levels...
Sorry dude but you are just wrong. I have played all ports of this game, and i agree the Saturn port is good (love lobotomy) but this is one of those rare instances the 64 comes out on top.

>>8704623
>my inferior port is better than your inferior port
the absolute state of nearing 40s

>>8704659
Who invitied you? Get off my lawn punk.
:)

>>8704647
>why would you sacrifice aesthetics for more content?

If I want to play Duke 3D single player, il do it on PC. 64 version was a great, easy to set up multiplayer version for vs and coop.

>>8704642
What was neat in the Dukebot levels, were the levels themselves had secret areas you could open up by various means. Lot of fun times doing 4 players and splitting into teams of 2 and claiming "bases" and setting trip laser traps for like 5 minuets before we actually start going after each other.

>>8704659
zoomer

>>8704689
>easy to set up
what does that mean?

>>8704698
Not having to set up lan/multiple pcs.

>>8704692
i'm nearing 30, very nearing, get a better comeback.

Yes.

>>8704509
>i geev heem a yeer

Only good for Death Tank 2

>>8704619
n64 version was an automatic fail due to censorship and no soundtrack.

>>8705002
The improved flow of the levels and the added soul of being able to save the Babes instead of just killing them makes it a much better game than the original.

>>8704658
ever think you might be wrong about something that everyone else already knows youre wrong about?

>>8705004
>we gots ta SAVE THEES a WIMMUN
gay

>>8704490
I would take the PSX port over the Saturn one, even with its shitty framerate. At least it's the complete game with an okay extra episode and an amazing soundtrack.
The N64 version is better too, just for the amazing multiplayer alone.

>>8705021
It's not gay at all dude I would pretend the babes were girls from my class at school and then I would roll dice to determine which of them I'd pretend to be fucking and which sex act we'd be doing together while I masturbated after levels.

>>8705002
What exactly has been censored?

>Saturn
+online play
+cool bonus content like the Death Tank minigame
+best framerate
+faithful OST
-awkward controls

>PlayStation
+most faithful to PC version, runs on actual Build engine, includes all PC version content
+groovy remixed OST
-awkward controls
-worst framerate

>Nintendo 64
+best graphics
+best controls
+cool new content and different weapons with new sprites
-censorship
-no music

>>8705028
Porn shop is a gun shop. Girls are a little more covered up. That's about it honestly.

>>8705037
Don't forget the strip club was removed and replaced with a generic warehouse.

>>8705034
Can anyone else think of any games that came out on PSX, Saturn, and N64? Duke3D, Mortal Kombat Trilogy, and Hexen are the only ones I can think of.

>>8704490
Why playing a console port to begin with?

>>8705063
Rampage World Tour

>>8705063
Gex

>>8705112
It's time for him to come back.

>>8705112
Only the first game was on Saturn, which wasn't on N64

>>8704991
DEATHTANK, BUTT SPANK, YOUR TANK, IS A DEAD TANK!
DEATHTANK, FRUSTRATE, MY TANK, IN DEATHTANK!
DEATHTANK, BODY BAG, GIVE THANK, TO DEATHTANK!
DEATHTANK, DEATHTANK, DEATHTANK, DEATHTANK!

>>8705063
Puyo Puyo Sun
Puzzle Bobble 2/Bust-a-Move 2
Puzzle Bobble 3/Bust-a-Move 3

>>8705112
I unironically enjoyed the PC port of part 2 a lot. Runs better than the crap on PissStation or Nebula 64.

>>8705063
Wipeout XL

>>8705283
Doesn't Wipeout 64 have significant differences?

>>8704490
Powerslave is way better

>>8705575
Apples and Oranges

>>8705171
Actually recorded in Scott Branston's garage

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q9eQF5qOvc6RS29CqPb0CdnNgfNlcPTs

>>8704490
Lobotomy Is A Based

>>8705118
No, let him be remembered for the legend he is.

You know whats crazy. House of the dead overkill for Nintendo wii, says something about sucking dick and mother fucker when you start up the game.
That's odd for Nintendo they usually censor stuff. And the sony ps3 version is what actually censored stuff on the game.

>>8704509
Those are true modern systems. So won’t count.

>>8704619
doesnt even have fucking music lmfao

doom 64 was good though

>>8706591
Saturn version is the PC game but with almost half the game cut from it.
The 64 version is the full game + new content and bonus shit. I will sacrifice a cheesy soundtrack for that gladly.

>>8706660
What an idiot.

>>8706660
>I will sacrifice a cheesy soundtrack
you're retarded

>>8705304
So does Duke but the base game is the same

>>8706660
based

>>8704490
N64 all day baby

>>8706660

>>8704619
N64 rocked in general for FPS if you did not have a pc. Duke 64, Doom 64, Quake 1 and 2, Turok 1-3, Goldeneye, perfect dark. I'm sure i might be missing a few but thats a good list imo

>>8706841
Im pisses me off that dreamcast didn't have any good fps. When dreamcast was more powerful than n64 right ? It doesnt make sense.
There really is something wrong with dreamcast. They weren't able to make any good shooters. And they should have because it came out after the n64 so it should have been better.

Douk 64 has cool looking explosions

>>8706845
it did have quake 3 online. that was pretty cool for a while

>ITT console peasants shitting on each other over what shit port sucks less
PC dominated and still dominates FPS. Why were you so poor?

>>8706854
Boomer here.
I actually enjoyed playing many ports on consoles and picked them up when i could. It was cool to see the differences between the games and how the systems could run them. I actually prefer some console ports over the original. For example, Quake 2 on the N64 is a much better game then on PC. Just my opinion though :)

>>8706852
Is kiss psycho circus any good?

>>8706681
>>8706840
>>8706692
Sorry folks, ignore these music-fags pretending to be gamers. I mean can you imagine caring more about midi tracks then more game content? Sure would be silly.

>>8706910
I play the PC versions I've been playing since I was a kid in the 90s. I get bored in an hour. I play Saturn Duke and PlayStation Quake 2? I can't put them down.

>>8706845
>dreamcast didn't have any good fps.
wrong

>>8707117
Oh mylanta

>>8707117
I tried to play the multiplayer of this on ps2 with my brother and it was unplayable trash. It runs at like 5fps.
Controls terrible. The graphics suck.

>>8707091
Just shit-posters anon...nothing to see here.

>>8705063
Not many, good question though. Bust-A-Move 2, Command & Conquer, Sim City 2000 (N64 Japan only)., Rampage World Tour and thats about it. There stuff like Wipeout that is treated as a different game but is pretty much the same but yeah oddly few games that came out on all 3

>>8704490
>segashits have no games
>have to claim an inferior shit port to make themselves better
many such cases

>>8707117
Great game but this was a baaaaaad port. Ran like shit and the load times are awful. PS2 version is a little better.

>>8707286
>Command & Conquer
Forgot this got Saturn & N64 ports. I was only remembering PS1, but I think that's because I was thinking of Red Alert instead

>>8707291
Take your console baiting posts elsewhere.

>>8704623
It's got a real 3D renderer and is 30fps and it has local multiplayer. And doesn't look like ass aids like Saturn.

The only real downside is no save states. If you die you reset the entire level.

>>8705028
It's funny cus the devs were pissed at Nintendo censoring the sexual nature so they made the gore actually far more horrible than the original.

There's dead women with their lower half ripped completely off with their spine hanging out in the 64 version

>>8706854
I was 7 years old.

>>8707016
God, no.

>>8707135
God I wanted to fuck the tits off all women on that show. Especially the slutty sister with the big fake bolt-ons.

>>8706854
Because my Dad got laid off when they moved the chemical plant he worked at overseas and fell into alcoholism working mostly shitty minimum wage jobs and my mom had a complete breakdown and suffered with paranoid schizophrenia throughout most of my later childhood.

>>8707739
Do you have nude pics of your mom? If yes, would you post them?

>>8707143
>It runs at like 5fps.
>Controls terrible. The graphics suck.
Same experience here on my Voodoo2.

>>8707742
No and I would not. She's doing much better now mentally though. It's miraculous to get the person you love back after so many years honestly. Just trying to get her to look after herself more physically she's gotten way too heavy and had a scare with being pre-diabetic but that seems to have gotten her to take her diet much more seriously. I just want her to exercise more too, I know it's hard with her knees but still I want her to be here for her grandchildren for a long time.

You didn't ask but I will say Dad is over his alcoholism too. He's even quit smoking for over 5 years now too.

I hope your folks are doing good too anon.

>>8705063
doom
fifa 98

>>8706854
Really going for the low hanging fruit there. Have a (You).

>>8707016
Avoid the DC port. PC version at least has bearable controls and performance.

>>8704632
sure that sucks but i can just put on my own music

>>8707091
I care A LOT about the music in idtech or build engine games....or any DOS-era game. I either use high quality sound fonts or (if possible) music packs recorded on something like SC-55/88. All part of the experience.

>>8707824
Doom 64 is a completely different game though.

>>8707824
Doom 64 is not a port of Doom. It's a completely separate game.

>>8705063
tomb raider soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNHlby2Ez9k

>>8707376
The OP is literally a baiting post you dumbfuck

>duke nukem doesnt have multiplaye-
https://youtu.be/9WbCkiXl4zw

>>8708408
shut faggot stay mad

>>8706660
>cheesy
you have to go back mf

>>8706841
kek and they all run at 2 fps

>>8706845
you are retarded

>>8706851
the explosions on duke 64 look like shit ngl

>>8705063
ok I remember another one: Destruction Derby
and maybe some sport games

>>8708427
Stay gay nigger tranny stay gay

>>8706851
Are they like in Quake 2? No. They scale two low poly balls outwards - one with a fire texture, one with smoke. Great. I prefer the mushroom explosion sprite.

>>8708464
you mad?

I hate this board

>>8705034
Sometimes the censorship resulted in cool new stages though. For example, Red Light District got a whole new Duke Burger building, and the stripper stage area became a stock yard of all things. It's like a weird remix out of necessity, and it's kind of fun but a mixed bag because you know you aren't allowed to have something.

At least Duke Zero Hour got to keep its sex puns and adult stores as jokes though.

>>8708478
You gay?

>>8708795
here have ur (You)

>>8708819
Thank you faggot

I ain't afraid of no quake

>>8710221
based

also nuclear strike

>>8708436
We are talking N64 here, not Saturn

It's a really good port, but has a lot of inaccuracies to the original game. I spent a lot of time playing the Duke Nukem 3D on PC. The Slave Driver engine works fairly differently from the Build engine. The Build engine constructs everything in 'sectors', objects can be created out of floors and ceilings. The Build engine can move sectors around like tram cars, it can do swinging doors, and have overlapping rooms. The maps in Duke 3D had to be rebuilt with real 3D space. They couldn't put certain features into the Slave Driver engine, that Build could do. Like the moving gears in Death Row. Example of moving sectors. Lobotomy still does a really good job reconstructing the game. It tries to get most of Duke Nukem 3D's features, and adds enhanced coloured lighting, and the Saturn game is in a real 3D game map, as opposed to the way the player would be teleport. Like going under water in build, you move to another part of the map. Their Quake port is quite impressive too, despite the slow framerate. But when the game was released in 1997, most people were not playing Quake 1 at the most optimal framerates, Saturn game didn't look too bad. To be honest the PS1 port is the most accurate version of Duke Nukem 3D. I have played that one. It really is the BUILD engine on PS1, but with lower quality textures and assets. The game runs slow too. At its core, this is the PC game with a CD soundtrack. PS1 game does have link cable support for more than one player. But the Saturn game had netlink, N64 definitly wins here with its two player split screen and 4 player death match. I think the N64 port is interesting. It had a lot of censorship, but the devs also decide to redesign some of the maps. I don;t mind some of it. Also, not the biggest fan of the weapon changes, It's a good port.

>>8710781
>shity come back
shity come back, how u like golden eye running at 1fps?

>>8710832
>N64 definitly wins here
I don't think so, the game runs so bad in multiplayer compared to netlink

>>8704490
It comes with Death Tank Zwei, so any further discussion is moot

>>8711336
>I don't think so, the game runs so bad in multiplayer compared to netlink

Two player co-cop Duke Nukem 64 was fine. I had a blast playing that in co-op. I owned a Saturn. But... I didn't have NetLink. I did however play Duke Nukem 3D co-op on a Windows 98PC at 100+FPS (type in DNRATE in the game to see the framerate) using a 56k over the phone lines to other players. I'm not even shitting on the Saturn port. I thought it was great. But it isn't an accurate port. Again, technically Duke Nukem: Total Meltdown is a direct port of the PC game. It uses the Build engine, and has the same map files. You can exploit the same Build glitches too. But has a bad framerate, unfortunately. Also, tiles and sprites get downgraded in resolution. Also, PS1 version does have the link cable support.

>>8711328
I enjoy it since the N64 actually has games unlike...
Why are you so mad tho? You mad?

>>8711437
So did Quake and Powerslave so it's not saying much

>>8712459
fuck you bitch, you'll never experience a 7 player match of DTZ

>>8712649
>fuck you bitch, you'll never experience a 7 player match of DTZ

I'm not the same anon. But the developer of Death Tank / Death Tank Zwie made a third Death Tank game for XBLA in 2009:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUe49SvNImI

>>8712649
And i will be just fine without that.

>>8704490
It's not even a port, it's a conversion.

Duke Nukem Advance was the best fps game on GBA.

>>8706845
>They weren't able to make any good shooters
because the dreamcast controller terrible.

>>8710832
does overclocking the ps1 help the frame rate?

>>8712081
>I enjoy it since the N64 actually has games unlike...
the n64 only has 388 games and the saturn has 1007 games, so stfu and cope while i play outrun running at 60fps

>>8713240
no its ecks vs sever

>>8713303
they did make good fps and you can play them with the mouse and keyboard

>>8713308
>does overclocking the ps1 help the frame rate?

In theory, sure. But I have never overclocked a PS1. Duke Nukem 64 also uses a version of the Build Engine that was modified for the N64. This one actually has polygon rendering, and has the working Build engine features.

Total Meltdown for PS1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-kULCJ6N64&t=395s
shareware original Duke Nukem 3D:
https://youtu.be/ChZSHTzawcQ?t=170
Sega Saturn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-gACLWYlpg&t=151s
N64:
https://youtu.be/NdFYr7azsc8?t=64

Looking directly at the PS1 version. I really don;t see much of a difference from the PS version in the first stage. The enemy sprites are lower resolution, so are many of the tiles. The PS1 version looks like it has some lighting effects not in the Build game. But that is probably due to the PS1. Outside of the Eurobeatz soundtrack and some art changes. It looks like the Build Engine game running at a low FPS. It's kinda cool to see the PS1 handle the Build engine.
Saturn port looks different right from the start. Chopped up tiles and artwork. Engine looks different, map layout deviats from the original. The Saturn game has "star Trek" doors everywhere, while the build versions have swinging doors, There's no swinging doors in the bathroom stall in the Saturn game. This version does run at a better framerate, has nice lighting effects.
N64 game, from the getgo, the devs decided to change the layout of Hollywood Haulocaust. Textures get cut up, tiles are lower colour depth, sprites are lower resolution. But it has all the Build features. Framerate not bad in Duke Nukem 64. Shame about the lack of music. Also, was never really a fan of the N64 weapons. But overall, I like this port.

>>8713474
not eurobeat

>>8713485
>not eurobeat

Techno, trance, whatever.

>>8713420
you can overclock using beetle psx.

>>8713474
I remember playing the N64 version often as a kid. Never did the co-op but the animations for the weapons are so static. Just looks awful and the lack of music or ambiance in the stages sucks.

>>8713474
aiming sucks ass in the n64 version because of the god forsaken lookspring.

>>8713517
saturn version wins again with turok mode

>>8713308
Yes, this actually works.
https://youtu.be/lVqxn-nuWn8

>>8713616
can you overclock a saturn?

>>8713617
No, it's not that simple.

>>8713619
but its possible then

>>8713616
alright now we found the definitive console version.

>>8713616

Looks pretty good. I have to say, it does look like they ported the Build engine to the PS1 hardware. But the sky boxes look like they are polygon. because they are the only things that wobble. It's weird watching the fire go completely still at a distance. But I think that was a feature of the Build engine in lowest settings?I think? I have never really played Duke 3D at its lowest settings. I don't know what resolution it is running at, one of the PS1 standard ones? The devs did try to keep as much of the game map as possible. I noticed a missing mirror in the first stage behind the cinema screen, probably gone for performance reasons. Poster art is changed. One is a MIB parody poster. Lower Resolution tiles and sprites. There also seems to be an addition lighting effect when Duke fires. It really seems like the devs tried to port the DOS Build game over to the PS1 hardware.

>>8713325
Kek you mad? You mad bro? None of those games are good

>>8713712
kek hows the cope?
>saturn games are gud, but n64 gaymes? not so much, sorry if i dont like bad filters, fog, and games that run at 10 fps

>>8713717
Who are you quoting you angry little guy? Why so mad?

>>8705034
Honestly it seems like they all offer unique experiences and are worth playing in those systems.

I really like the Saturn version of Red Light District. But the level layout is quite a bit different from the Build engine game. I think the devs said that they had to piece together the maps like a puzzle in 3D and make them fit together. If I am not mistaken Red Light District in Build has some moments where the level overlaps with itself. Also the Saturn game is missing the spinning door at the smut/ magazine shop, no swinging door to at the bathroom. It's still a good remake of the map. PS1 game looks identical to the Build game. But runs at a bad framerate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJsFtUiv48s

>>8713728
nice cope

Why does every semi relatable or interesting thread turn into this....

>>8713704
It is an impressive port and probably the best possible outcome. It's amazing that it runs at all.

>>8714095
Forgot to mention, I think they cut a few of Dukes lines too, probably because they had to make room for the remixed soundtrack.

>>8704490
Ok

>>8713731
Yeah none of them are really bad ports, I think the Saturn is the best overall but it wouldn't be a bad experience on PSX or N64 either.

>>8714095
>It is an impressive port and probably the best possible outcome. It's amazing that it runs at all.

I have played the game on the PS1 a few times, emulated it at least once. And rewatched it again in youtube videos to refresh my mind. It's accurate because it is using a port of Ken Silverman's Build engine for the PS1. All the traits are there. But looks like it is running fairly low resolution, and with a variable framerate that looks very low. Saturn game runs at a notably higher framerate, and displays at a higher resolution. Maps are remade for Lobotomy's Slave Driver engine. They do a pretty good job recreating all 4 episodes. But their engine can't actually reproduce some of the features in Build. The biggest loss is the moving tram cars in some stages. The last of swinging doors is a bit lame. Couldn't they add that in? Still an impressive port and best FPSes on the Saturn. The lighting still impresses me in the Saturn game. PS1 game is closer to the original game. With the exception of some altered tiles, and maybe a few altered maps. Not really seeing much different. Saturn game, is less accurate and runs better. N64 game is also based on the Build engine. It can do all the same things the PS1 game can, but uses polygon rendering. It can display polygon models. Almost like a polymost for N64. N64 game losses sound, and makes quite a few changes. Also 2 player split screen co-op and 4 player duke match. All you needed were a few extra N64 gamepads.

>>8714289
All three of these ports are interesting, but I feel like the Saturn and PSX ports are just a novelty nowadays, not worth checking out anymore. If one absolutely wants to play Duke 3D on the Saturn or PSX, then maybe. You can have fun with them, but there nothing more than an inferior version of the PC original. Only the N64 version is still worth playing today, just because it's so different from all the other versions and it has an amazing multiplayer mode. Really a great experience if you have one or two friends that are into retro gaming. Just my opinion. I own all three versions, but I only ever go back to the N64 one.

>>8714289
>It's accurate because it is using a port of Ken Silverman's Build engine for the PS1.
That goes for both PS1 and N64 versions.
You can do various movement tricks and glitches from the DOS version with relative ease there, minus the difficulty of performing them on controller.

>>8713754
a thoughtful and productive conversation?

>>8705037
Duke also swears less.

>Damn, those alien *scum* are gonna pay for shooting-up my ride.

>>8706660
>cheese soundtrack
fuck off, the game is almost dead silent because you cant fit half a byte in a cartridge

Eh

time to kill vs zero hour vs land of babes

>>8717806
Zero Hour > Time to Kill > Land of the Babes
Easy.

>>8717806
Time to Kill was an alright Tomb Raider clo.e, FMV intro was dope as fuck.

Zero Hour is based as Hell and very underrated.

Land of the Babes is just a worse, less-polished Time to Kill.