/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8685556
Not really. It's the best 2D platformer franchise on the SNES, making Mario games look actually pathetic.

>>8685556
Influential at the time, still holds up. DKC2 was the better game, though.

>>8685556
Depends what you mean by overrated. It's definitely one of the best platformers on the console. I personally prefer Yoshi's Island though but I still have a lot of respect for DKC.

>>8685556
This is the only good platformer that was developed by western pigs

Very overrated. It's clunky and has simplistic gameplay. The only cool thing in the game is riding the animals, and that was hardly used at all. Even SWM stomps it in terms of actual depth and diversity of gameplay.

>>8685556
no
they were so unbelievably good that shiggy's dick retracted into his body like a turtle head
these bongs shit on japan

>>8685583
>It's clunky
Wrong
>simplistic gameplay
Its gameplay is more complex than Mario and Sonic.

>>8685556
Ya it's pretty good

Especially when you see the crap they made for N64

Should have just kept going in that direction (they did later)

>>8685656
>Its gameplay is more complex than Mario and Sonic
In what ways? Not asking you to write a dozen paragraphs but how is it more "complex"?

>>8685818
>how is it more "complex"?
In addition to just running and jumping DK can roll, rolling into an enemy extends the distance of his roll, he can roll-jump off ledges, slap the ground to find hidden bananas, and slap enemies for an extra banana. That's more complex than what Sonic and Mario can do. You'd know that if you actually played DKC instead of watching 5 minute gameplay clips on youtube and pretending to understand it.

>>8685583
>SWM
Sliced Wurst Munch?

>>8685563
Kirby is better

>>8685563
Fpbp. It actually gave SNES a fighting chance against Mega drives superior platformers.

>>8685894
>slap the ground
I owned this game and would forget about this shitty move.

it's good but gets hard carried into legendary by the soundtrack

>>8685894
>"You'd know that if you actually played DKC instead of watching 5 minute gameplay clips on youtube and pretending to understand it."
>instantly becoming aggressive and insulting others the moment someone asks any question

>>8686004
Anon is chimping out.

>>8685556
Very. Wasn't remotely visual beyond its use of the ugliest 3D known to gaming. It was a pack-in title sold on its graphics rather than being a good game. Nintendo literally had it produced because they thought Genesis Aladdin looked better. Lol.

The game was just bananas

>>8686097
he’s going bananas

I actually prefer DKC 1 over 2. It's more simple and straightforward while still having some good platforming, the music and general presentation is also great.
Though really I have a fondness for all 3 of the DKC games.

>>8685894
fancy words but the reality of DKC is huge sprites on a small screen with little scope for manoeuvring and none of the "flow" of the Mario games. I'm talking about things like Mario chaining 5 koopas in a row, hardcore shit like you'd get in The Lost Levels, DKC is nowhere near that in finely tuned complexity.

Also: hedgehogs > apes

I'll concede the music is excellent.

>>8686123
"This shit is bananas" - Gwen Stefani

Steve, don't you dare go bananas

>>8685556
No, it's sick as fuck.

>>8685556
Overrated in that it's not a contender for best 2D platformer ever made like some say
Underrated in the fact that plebs pretending to be patricians think the sequels are better

>>8685556
Nowadays? It’s underrated.

>>8685924

>>8685556
Why is that even a question? It's one of the best 2d platformers ever...maybe even the best. I cant think of another one ive had more fun with.

>>8686108
Retard take right here.

>>8686169
What 2d platformers that arent mario are better? Go ahed tell me so i can call you an idiot.

>>8685924
>It actually gave SNES a fighting chance against Mega drives
DKC single-handedly murdered the 32X by coming out on the same day and being far superior to anything on that piece of shit's launch lineup.

>>8687381
Pack in titles are still popular to this day

>>8687405
Yeah we all know the intentions of the publisher or developers are always translated to the final game. Just look at goldeneye.

Retard .

>ugliest 3D known to gaming

Almost nobody agrees with that aside from some contrarian virgins on this board. They literally used the most advanced 3d rendering available at that time.

>>8685567
Yeah. DKC was and is a fun game, but the sequel is so much better in every way that the original is overshadowed.

>>8685556
>>8685563
>>8685567


One of biggest problems with Nintendo franchises is the fact that the most vocal about them are zoomed or consumers who don't remember or never played the originals.
DK is good. But its worth is often deluded by the contemporary fags now.

>>8687384
Yoshi's Island
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
DKCTF

>>8685556
Sonic 3 & Knuckles > Donkey Kong Country trilogy

>comparisons
Sonic 3 & Knuckles is the peak of video games, it would make any game look underwhelming in comparison. DKC is great

>>8687648
Yoshis Island is a Mario game even if it is a bad one.

>>8688094
>is a Mario game
Eh, it's a game by the Mario Team and uses a lot of the Mario fundamentals but it's more of a spinoff, not a main Super Mario game. Similar to SML3 being actually a Wario game.
>a bad one
lmao, /v/ is that way, low effort troll.
>noooo but the baby crying when I get hit and-
/v/ is that way.

>>8688098
>I enjoy listening to babies cry
The levels of cope. I bet you also enjoy collecting eggs and stopping at a standstill to carefully aim them too. And it's called Super Mario World 2 for gods sake.

>>8688106
>ever getting hit
Get good
>ever stopping for aiming and throwing
Get good
>it's called Super Mario
yes yes, same with Wario Land. Still.
As I said, it does use fundamentals of the Super Mario games, yet it's a spinoff. Get a few more brain cells.

>>8685924
>superior platformers
like?
as far as platformers go there were way more and better ones on SNES

>>8688114
>get brain cells
You control Mario in yoshis Island and you're telling me it's not a Mario game. And I'll be waiting for your playthrough without getting hit once.

>>8688129
I'm telling you Wario Land is also called Super Mario Land, and yet it's a Wario game.
Super Baby Mario is more like a mini-game part, 99% of the game you play as Yoshi.
>And I'll be waiting for your playthrough without getting hit once.
I'm not the one complaining, you must get good first, then we'll talk.

>>8688134
>more like a mini game
Cope. I own and beat Yoshis island a long time ago. What the hell does getting good have to do with the massive flaws this game has?

>>8688143
>Cope.
About what? the Super Baby Mario are short segments in like 2 levels, you really don't play as him in 99% of the game.
>I own and beat Yoshis island a long time ago.
Not sure about that.
>What the hell does getting good have to do with the massive flaws this game has?
The fact you have an unpopular opinion about "flaws". Just be better at games. If you come to a point where the baby crying punishments gets to your nerves, you're doing something wrong. Horribly wrong.

>>8688127
Shinobi, Sonic, Altered Beast. Multiplats like EWJ are far superior to that unplayable screen crunched mess on SNES.

>>8688158
>screen crunch
Nice console warry argument.
EWJ 1 is better on PC. EWJ2 however? I'd say it's a tie between MD and SNES, with SNES being slightly better... I wish the Saturn version was better, if the controls weren't fucked it'd be the best version. Anyway, EWJ was never better than japanese platformers.

>>8688158
EWJ is on SNES
also MMX, SMW, DKC, SGnG, SCVIV among others

>>8688175
>>8688176
>ewj is on snes
And it's a mess. Pc version is slightly different to the original Genesis. I prefer Mega Drives music to pc as well.
>never better than Japanese platformers
Name ONE Japanese platformer with better animation. Suoer Metroid is another science fi themed platformer and her basic shooting animation is bland by comparison.

>>8688186
That's fine, you seem to be a console warrior so you seem to focus only on SNES vs MD. PC still has the best version no matter what.
>Animation
I'll give you EWJ has great sprite animation, but that doesn't mean the overall game is better than japanese games in terms of controls and level design.

>>8688186
>And it's a mess
it's mildly less good overall while doing some things better, hardly would call that something that the SNES doesn't have

>>8688192
Pc still has the best version no matter what
Care to post your copy or are you larping and never played it? Every game I've discussed in this thread I own and beat.
>control and level design
Smw controls beautifully yet is bland and boring compared to Sonic. Ewj also has great level design.

>>8688202
>Care to post your copy or are you larping and never played it? Every game I've discussed in this thread I own and beat.
Yet you don't provide any proof.
>yet is bland and boring compared to Sonic.
Very different kind of games, I love both, as I am thankfully not a console warrior. Feels good growing up a segatendo idort, unlike others.

>>8688215
I now and then post copies of my games. Not at home at the moment. I don't see how I'm a console warrior when I point out crappy versions of multiplats.

>>8685556
i unironically don't like rare games really
their styleand graphics
they're not for me i guess

>>8688231
Timestamp it
>not at home
Well, do it later, then.
Also I do prefer EWJ1 on md to snes, but PC is still the best. EWJ 2 however, I like it better on SNES.

>>8686129
>I'm talking about things like Mario chaining 5 koopas
You can chain enemies in DKC too, anon. And you can do some crazy shit with roll boosting.

>>8688239
>timestamp it
I no longer have dkc as a friend lost it and gave me a copy of secret of mana to make up for it. Total rip off of a deal. And you can tell that copy of Metroid is mine by the black marker all over it.

>>8685894
“Uh oh, someone is engaging with my post! Better get hyper aggressive so I seem like I know what I’m talking about”

>>8685556
Nope. The 2nd one is.

not even close to being overrated. DKC trilogy is very high up there with the best videogames ever made.

>>8685556
Kinda, but the other 2 are both masterpieces, and some of the best platformers ever made.

No. It's less complex than Battletoads or DKC Returns, but it's at least as good as the original Mario. Nintendo underestimates graphic design and the importance of having quality music, and some of their decisions for DKC Returns really seemed bizarre.
>make it uglier and more like a 00's cartoon
>make it more like the SMW hub world
>make DK roll like Sonic around hills
>don't give DK a button to speed up jumps
>don't allow use of a classic controller
Kenji Yamamoto's score is fine when it's understated, but when the tracks are using more percussion or become more jazz-oriented, they lack the soulful emotiveness of David Wise's original music. That atmospheric meditativeness was partly the point, Nintendo botched that by making it more kiddie-tier

the gameplay is extremely boring. it was successful at the time because of the way it looked.

>>8688518
Zoomer take.

>>8688518
that criticism is a bit like saying Hammer Horror was successful due to the way it looked, and not because of its characters or plots. They're more like thematic excursions. Some of the shittiness of DK64 gets dumped on DKC, but the original design for DK64 was to make it more like SMRPG crossed with Battletoads.

>>8688518
yawn.

>>8685556
The sequels sure are.

>>8688528
Should have stuck to being just like Battletoads.

>>8685567
based DKC2 poster

>>8685567
Nope. Fuck 2 and 3. Dkc1 was perfect

yes

>>8685556
>Yes. It's shit and always been shit. Play real games you graphics whores.

>>8685556
Not even a little bit. If anything 2 is overrated.

No. Spot on platform game, no flaws, lots of "soul".

>>8691145
hiding secrets behind blind jumps into the pit is an objective flaw

>>8685656
>Its gameplay is more complex than Mario and Sonic.
you just press a to jump and then roll to get some more distance and that's it. there aren't any interesting physics like sonic or momentum like mario, did i really have to make to tell you this

>>8691165
*to make this post and tell you this

>>8685556
No, but 2 certainly is.

>>8685567
>dk is technically suboptimal, made up for by getting to playi as the cool alpha ape
dkc2 lost a bit of soul here

>>8685556
>Is it overrated?
No

>>8685567
I disagree. That stretch of gimmick levels right before the ending ruins the game for me. I don't even really dislike those levels. Just that they're all in a row like that.

>>8685929
>the soundtrack
this. The soundtrack is goat

>>8685567
>>8685556
it gave Snes a chance to beat it Megadrive in Europe.

>>8685656
>Its gameplay is more complex than Mario and Sonic.
The platforming physics and consequent level design of DKC are a joke compared to Mario and Sonic. The strengths of DKC are strong atmosphere and diversity of the experience with stuff like the animals and the varied level gimmicks (which eventually will become excessive and overtake the entire game), not its platforming fundamentals which pale in comparison to the depth in Mario and Sonic.

No dkc and dkc2 are almost perfect games with great music.

>>8685556
>>8685583
>>8686108
"Overrated" is a retarded non-argument buzzword used exclusively by pretentious faggots.
Literally "s-stop liking (thing) TOO MUCH!"

>>8693760
cry harder, your pack-in game is nothing special.

>>8693776
Disliking popular things is not a personality, you are not special and you do not have good taste for doing so.
Do try to develop an actual personality some time in the future.

>>8688347
yeah this.
sounds like someone needs to git gud

>>8693782
cry harder, your pack-in game is nothing special.

>>8691161
T.baby who won't take risks

>>8694007
Wasn't Super Mario World the pack -in game, though?

>>8691161
>objective flaw
I was happy whenever I fucked up a jump and ended up falling in a bonus stage though so it's not objectively bad.

>>8694164
dkc was for late adopters hence why everyone had it

>>8694164
There were DKC bundles like >>8694191 posted.
Not sure why this other retard brought it up as if it helped his argument though.

>>8694202
australia-kun always does mental gymnastics to justify anything anti-Nintendo (even if it doesn't makes sense, it sort of does in his little mind)

>>8694217
auster is pro-nintendo.

>>8685556
No but there are better platformers from the 16 bit era. Mainly its sequel Diddy Kongs Quest, SMW, Yoshi's Island, Rocket Knight Adventures, Micky Mania.
Retards on the internet don't understand nuisance and speak about shit like its binary, everything is either the absolute best or worst or that there is some universal hierarchy of taste. Play it if you like it, don't play it if you don't like it just don't waste your time and energy on things you don't like.

>>8694220
auster is anti-video games, so no.

>>8694232
"auster" is a boogeyman you Discord cucks resort to whenever you receive even the slightest bit of pushback.

>>8694562
>m-muh Discord...
Are things only a boogeyman when it fits your argument?

>>8694574
Auster doesn't exist.

>>8694578
I am not the person who mentioned Auster, I have literally no idea who or what that is. I still feel compelled to point out that complaining about boogeyman and mentioning Discord literally in the same sentence is fucking stupid.

>>8688528
>but the original design for DK64 was to make it more like SMRPG crossed with Battletoads.
Source?

>>8694591
sort of confused Project Dream, which is a Treasure Island type of game with what later became DK64. There was a long period of prep for DK64 however, with design changing mid-way through.

>>8685556
No. It's one of the best games of 1994. The sequel is better in every way though.

>>8688239
Lol imagine thinking consooming gives you more cred. Anyone can emulate these games and whether they do or not, you're still a faggot

>>8685556
yes
but still very güd vidya

>>8695265
>replying to a 2 days old post with such anger
stop being poor, also that was not the whole point of that discussion. the anon you replied to was mocking another anon who tried to get away with his argument by playing the "i own the physical games" card.

>>8685556
Sometimes I feel bad for that Gnawty. It's dawned on him that death is imminent and the regrets are flashing by. All the while he's looking directly at the bananas- a symbol of a war he had no chance of benefiting from to begin with.

>>8695502
Not to mention his dick doesn't work and candy is right next door

>playing gba version for first time
>Gnawty doesn't make retard noise when hit anymore
>Cranky ruins victory moment with words words words
Soulless

>>8695502
By the time you fight him as a boss he's completely accepted his fate, so he just laughs everytime you smash his brain stem.

>>8685556
No

>>8696059
kek

>>8685563
>blatant sonic clone
>instantly best snes game
really activates the almonds

>>8685556
No, because there are several other pre rendered games that came out around that time and they're not remembered nearly as fondly as DKC is. It didn't just have graphics, but also the sound and gameplay to carry it throughout the decades to come.

>>8685556
The OST is still the best I've heard for a game. I don't care if people say it's overrated, DKC will always have a special place for me.

>>8696620
Why did the west abandon the tradition of making good game OSTs? Japs still got it although some name brands should consider retiring.

>>8696704
making left wing propaganda takes priority over good soundtracks.

>>8696704
The West abandoned more than just good OSTs. I don't know how people get interested in new games anymore, but that could just be me.

>>8696730
Yeah I dumped Blizzard after Legion/Legacy of the Void and haven't touched western shit since. Between single players and shitposting I really don't see the point in engaging with other players while gaming. I also have less time.

>>8696704
hollywoodization around the ps3 era
you can still get good music in indie games

>>8685556
Yes. DKC2 and even 3 are much better.
It's not bad though. Just overhyped by people who played it first / only it.

>>8691565
>bitching about gimmick levels in DC2
>when fucking half of the end game stages in DC1 are nothing but barrel shooting levels full of insta-kill pits
You people honestly amaze me sometimes

>>8696704
>>8696713
>>8696730
>>8696758
>>8696752
Please stay on /v/ if you just want to whine about modern games

>>8696792
Pointless

>>8685556
Yes. The level design falls off a cliff in terms of quality and cohesion as soon as you get midway into the game. Nothing but poorly placed platforms, barrels over pits, rehashed swimming levels, and rehashed gimmicks. The final level in this game legit looks like a rushed kaizo hack. These brits scrambled everything together at the last minute for the holiday rush after wanking off to their Silicon Graphics workstations. The graphics look like shit unless you cake it over several layers of CRT shaders that don't even exist properly. Miyamoto's comment about the graphics tricking people into thinking it was a good game is still on point to this day.

This game also started the world's most elitist fanbase known to mankind (DK Vinefags) who only consoom the SNES trilogy and shit on the stellar Retro DK games. They are in this constant delusion that Nintendo will give DK its own EPD studio, a 3D game, and a return of Kremlings all in one batch for their perceived patience and loyalty. Fuck DKfags. You decrepit boomers don't deserve SHIT. I have never seen such radioactive autism for what is essentially stupid monkey scotformer to trick juvenile eyes anywhere else. Well, Sonic might give them a run for their money, but still, they at least know when to stick to their lanes.

>>8696946
Shit take. Disregarded.

>>8696956
I have literally never seen a post accompanied by that gif that was not absolutely retarded, I can only assume it's intentional.

>>8685556

Might be overrated, but its a really good game.

>>8696792
I don't care about new/old divide only good/bad. I thought Yooka Laylee TIL was decent but the soundtrack wasn't memorable at all despite similar staff as DKC.

>>8685556
they're a lot of fun

>>8687394
>DKC single-handedly murdered the 32X by coming out on the same day and being far superior to anything on that piece of shit's launch lineup.
Yeah. I know I myself as a Segahead didn't buy the 32X because DKC just looked so great I bought it instead even though it was (still is) incompatible with my Mega Drive.

>>8685894
>slap enemies for an extra banana
lmao. what a complex and meaningful addition. you really showed him.

Awful lot of zoomers in here...

>>8685556
It is a bit overpraised for what it set out to do which was win the console war against Sega. Outside of that context the games are nothing special

It's funny that Miyamoto hates this title because RARE undoubtedly saved Nintendo's ass by releasing this game. Can you imagine if there was no DKC and everyone jumped to PS1 in '96? N64 would have died the death of the DC. It's too bad that most Brits didn't own an SNES, N64 would have actually gotten that 64DD drive and beaten the PS1.

>>8687394
No.

I was a PC-only player at the time and I wasn't too impressed with what I saw.

>>8698238
*slaps your dick for an extra banana*

>>8699687
What DID impress you back in 1994?

>>8700298
Doom II and WC3(late '94) on PC and Daytona USA and Virtua Fighter 2 at the arcade, all technologically far more impressive feats than DKC.

>>8700502
all pleb games

>>8700502
Virtua Fighter was rad, or at the very least it LOOKED rad, I won't argue against that.

>>8685894
>watching gameplay clips
Before I say anything, let me make it clear: yes you should play a game before judging it. That being said, shouldn't it be an appropriate option to learn the basics of a game by watching somebody else?

>>8697643
Grant Kirkhope fell off hard the minute he went deep in realistic instruments. His music has no soul whatsoever and sounds incredibly bland

>>8686368
Toki was so hard, but I still enjoyed it a lot. DK still is the better ape tho

>>8685556
Yes, and when you take away the overratedness, underneath is still a great game.

>>8700518
Daytona USA a pleb game? Even for 1994?

>>8685556
idk, i played it for the first time today (well yesterday) and i think it's pretty solid, only thing that blows was the minecart level. also apparently it's supposed to look good if what i'm hearin is true but frankly i think it looks like shit, especially the characters. backgrounds are okay ig, but it doesn't hold a candle to yoshi's island.

>>8701686
I agree that Yoshi's Island is a much better game than DKC, which is probably an infuriating statement for DK fans in general, but I do think DKC2 is even better than Yoshi's Island.

>>8701689
i meant visually, gameplay wise they're both pretty solid but idk i never finished with yoshi's island after that one extra level in world 1.

>>8685556
Not even slightly. Just replayed it recently. It might be the best 2D platforming series of all time.

>>8685567

no any DKC where you don't play as Donkey Kong sucks

>>8685567
Tropical Freeze mogs this game.

DID YOU KNOW: that Yoshi's Island was created to epicly own Donkey Kong Country with traditional hardware?

*Even though Yoshi's Island was in development for 2 years before DKC existed
**Even though Yoshi's Island had custom Argonaut graphics processors that no other SNES game had

apart from the fugly graphics there is no reason to play this today

>>8703438
it's fun
it fills my niche of an atmospheric and challenging platformer you can finish in like an hour

>>8703440
Too simplistic

a lot desu, dkc2 is better

DKC1 isn't overrated because no one speaks that highly of it. It's near universally accepted that 2 is better, and those who actually played 3 like that better as well.

It's a nice start but leaves a LOT to be desired -- DKC2 went back over every rough area of the first game and perfected it, making for a fucking phenomenal title. DKC1 is not BAD by any means, but it sorely lacks in the polish department and the gameplay feels very wonky compared to its sequels. The environments are definitely better than in 3 and if you don't like what 2 was going for, might even win out aesthetics-wise for people who like more rural and traditional locations. But admittedly the limited amount of said environments gets a little tiring eventually and the level design had not yet reached the heights it eventually would. It still contains a fair amount of gimmick stages but not quite as many as 2 and especially 3 contain, so it's understandable that some would enjoy that aspect of it better as well.

The Donkey Diddy swapoff is more interesting and more mechanically involved than the pairings that would come later but I can see why they ditched that considering Donkey simply isn't that enjoyable to use by comparison. Dixie is a straight upgrade to Kiddy and his upsides are very gimmicky but he STILL doesn't feel as outright different to control as DK does. Which I personally think is an upside, many would say it's a downgrade which I also get.

>>8685556
Nope. Underrated.

Miyamoto was right

>>8706196
he never said that

>>8706196
I agree, can't argue with his logic.

Which soundtrack was better. 1 or 2?

>>8706196
"This games sucks monkey balls"- Shigeru Miyamoto

>>8688158
To be fair, Sonic also has a pretty big sprite to screen ratio

>>8696946
I agree with the first paragraph. The second one feels a bit off

>>8685818
Not that anon, but I feel like DKC does a better job of expanding it's mechanics to the realistic limit, unlike Mario or Sonic where you can only find that in romhacks.