/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8697291
Did no one ever ask why those icons don't look like a MP5 or SPAS 12?

>>8697331
It's an MP5 without the magazine and a SPAS-12 without the iconic foldable stock.

>>8697357
That is not a SPAS at all.

>>8697357
Yes, maybe if you are blind

>>8697389
And a real SPAS doesn't shoot from the magazine under neath the barrel. No one cares.

>>8697389
What is it then?

>>8697331
The 3d model doesn't look an MP5 either what's your point?

>>8697884
Sure it does. It just has a grenade launcher attachment.

>>8698176
I suppose from the side it looks like it. I don't know why but the jankness of the first-person model is seared into my brain

>>8698207
More like MP5SD

>>8697331
Valve doesnt know shit about guns and dont really care either.

>>8697825
Some made up gun

>>8697291
Half-Life ruined FPS, turning the old school FPS style to cinematic story based bullshit where you walk through preprogrammed set pieces

>>8698969
|>:(

Valve has never made a good game.

>>8698982
Do you disagree? I mean it seems pretty clear that the entire genre shifted almost overnight to emulate Half-Life, with old school style shooters few and far between until the old school FPS renaissance that started around 2013

>>8698997
I agree but this board has a huge hard on for Half Life and I have been warned for making posts expressing the same sentiment.

>>8699002
It's weird, I've had the same thing happen. Not sure why you can't criticize Half-Life here, not even in a way that's clearly sincere and inviting discussion. The fact that Half-Life was such a financial success that the entire genre became emulations of it is simple fact.

>>8698969
>the products shouldn't adapt to the demands of the market
Because Valve forced everyone to like the idea of using your brain for a shooter.

>>8699007
>>8699002
>>8698997
>>8698991
>>8698969
you have to go back /v/edittor

>>8699002
>one thing was extremely popular
>then another thing became extremely popular
>then previous thing became popular again
>then other thing became popular, eclipsing previous fixation with some style
it's not about the board having a half life hard on, it's about adults having a dumb discussion about how trends work
mind blowin' shit

Why aren't alf, australia kun and the silent hill 2 schizo and others permabanned janny?
Do you want this board to become /v/?

>>8699007
Nobody imitated Half-Life, because a couple years later Halo came out and everyone imitated that instead. It was cheap, and easy. With regenerating health you don't even need thoughtful health kit placement, and with 2 gun limits you just have players loot enemies instead of thoughtfully place weapons around a map.

Half-Life involved intricate map design making players crawl through vents and narrow passages and leap into elevator shafts to grab ladders. That's hard. But Halo proved all you need is wide hallways and CTRL-C CTRL-V.

>>8699073
anon you arguing with a schizo.
He literally copy paste the same arguments everytime.
R&I.

>>8699007
>>8699002
>wah wah wah don't delete my shitposts janny

>>8699076
Yeah. But the thought of someone passing by and taking his misinfo seriously bothers me. He may not learn from correcting, but just letting him try to browbeat a false narrative into people rubs me the wrong way.

Not retro

>>8699204
kys

>>8697331
I never really cared, no.

>>8698207
I don't see the issue

Based jannies

I'm tired of pretending the HD models are bad.

>>8697331
Autisimo

>>8699302
No one says that. They just don't fit in with the rest style-wise.

>>8697331
I'm European. In the 90s, if it looked remotely like 'generic submachinegun' or 'generic shotgun' then I was fine with that.

>>8699302
Based

It just works.

>>8699319
>I'm European
Both the MP5 and SPAS-12 are European firearms. The MP5 is made in Germany and the SPAS-12 in Italy.

>>8699884
That means jack shit, really. 99% percent of Germans hadn't seen or touched a firearm in the 90s, save for the ones that did mandatory military service.
I didn't shoot a pistol or a rifle until I did my service at 18.

Thoughts
https://www.moddb.com/mods/field-intensity

>>8697357
The icon for the MP5 has the front-end of a CAR-15 with an M203 grenade launcher, rather than the actual model's MP5SD front-end with an M203 grenade launcher fitted to it. The icon for the shotgun is an Ithaca 37 'Stakeout' model, and isn't a SPAS-12 at all (that's a hand strap on the pump-slide).
The SPAS-12's actual model looks like it's from another dimension, the heatshield is all weird and incorrect, but that's nothing next to 'firing both barrels'

Of course, none of this really matters much, because Half-Life was never really about authentic weapons or die hard realism.

>>8699302
I never did, I always thought they looked much superior to the stock low def models. The pack as a whole also has a coherent style that looks nice, but doesn't look so high def as to not fit into the game.

>>8697825
>>8698962
looks most like a sawed-off ithaca with pistol grip

>>8699302
HD SPAS is fucking awesome tho

>>8699302
it's not that they're bad, it's that HL:Source in general kinda always sucked, and now in this post Black Mesa era is just completely irrelevant.

>>8697331
I played the PS2 Half Life first so I was always under the impression that the M16 was the default machine gun.

>>8701361
>he thinks Black Mesa is a replacement for the original Half-life.
No. Just because it's a decent example of a remake / reimagining, doesn't mean it replaces the original game experience.

>>8701716
Why isn't it tho? BM is better than the original in every aspect.

>>8701361
The HD models predate Half-Life Source by years.

>>8699302
Nah they've always been trash, not really sure why they just took such liberty and made the MP5 into an assault rifle either. Even Gearbox's own expansions look better with the standard models.
There's just something off about it when all of the other geometry and textures are so much lower fidelity than the characters and viewmodels, it's too amateurish.

>>8702082
Fucking Randy!

Bump

25 years later and they still havent removed the silencer from the MP5

Was a mod ever made for this?

>>8702415
There are many different model and sound replacements for Half-Life, if that's what you're wondering. In fact, so many have been made over the years that plenty have just been lost to time.

>>8702415
That's a MP5SD, fucking retard.

>>8703420
>perforate barrel some in front of the chamber to lower pressure and velocity, so every round is always subsonic
>put what amounts to a cutout piece of square shelving around the barrel to act as baffling
>put tube around barrel to enclose this, hole at the front for bullet (important)
>put round heatshield with a rubberized handguard around this because standard ones won't fit, also silencers get spicy hot once you shoot a bunch
>probably replace the locking shoulder for the rollers on the bolt too
It's still an MP5, works the same and shares most of its parts with a regular MP5

>>8699302
While I prefer the originals, the whole vendetta people have towards the HD models is pretty autistic