/vr/ - Retro Games

what pc do you have currently bro

>just buy another GPU bro

why are you intentionally trying to play games in a shit resolution? what is the actual point to this? did some YouTube retro gamer tell you this is the "true" way to play or something?

>>8666891
retard

>>8666895
so you have no reason

>>8666906
kys

>>8666878
here.....

reason i am so obsessed is because i wanna make spriteart and display it trough CRT instead of relying on shaders because i wanna make that my hobbie, and because i wanna start making my own game, and i want to keep it real and not go for meme widescreen displays.

>>8666921
>Speccy
OI

>>8666880
>good luck with that lol

>>8666863
>>8666921
You don't have to do any of that stuff nowadays, the GBS-C can do downscaling just fine:
https://medium.com/rgb-inside/gbs-8200-gbs-control-hands-on-with-the-downscale-feature-f65d3b6907be
Especially for drawing sprite art, share some of your art too please

>>8666957
Downscaling is just as bad as upscaling, either way you're filtering the image.

>>8666957
>https://medium.com/rgb-inside/gbs-8200-gbs-control-hands-on-with-the-downscale-feature-f65d3b6907be

Isnt that thing prohibitively expensive too?

>>8666964
Ok little miss sunshine, do you have a solution for OP's issue then?

>>8666970
buy any of the cheap ass graphics cards which support 15khz + whatever transcoder or sync combiner you need to plug it into your preferred display. done.

>>8666973
my motherboard doesn't have more then a tiny puny pcb connector for a tiny pcb, since the GPU one is already in use, in fact mine only has a PC-I express x1

>>8666964
who cares? Remember, OP is using this for sprite rendering and will probably be using stuff like photoshop. external device is easiest/best

>>8666967
Prebuilt is like $150-$160 right? I think less than $100 if you assemble it yourself

>>8667024
>Prebuilt is like $150-$160 right? I think less than $100 if you assemble it yourself

well, i guess i can get one prebuilt, but where?

>>8667070
here
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=gbs-c&_sacat=0

>speccy

>>8666863
It's really not hard mate. Just follow the guide. https://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1052#p1052
>isnt Retroarch supposed to put 240p out of the gate when conecting to a TV
If you have the resolution set correctly and have done everything else, yes.
>how are super resolutions supposed to work even.?
you set an ultrawide horizontal resolution such as 2560. Old console games run at a resolution that mutliplies up to 2560. Once it's stretched out, it's stretched via a clean integer and thus there are no artifacts. And because all the resolutions mutliply up to 2560 evenly, there is no need to switch resolutions. That's how they work.
>locks to 480p
No it doesn't

>>8666891
yes, you are retarded
>>8666863
after trying many many many solutions and buying many many adapters, i could only output a 480i signal at minimum to my CRT from my RTX-2060 and actually ended up damaging my trinitron trying to get a proper signal.
Retroarch can brute force 240p but the signal has a very good chance at still being interpreted as 480.
it isn't impossible, you just need to keep trying solutions.
i wish the mister would do N64 (i know it's just about ready for PSX/Saturn), then I would actually buy one.

>>8667321
i'm not OP but there is something really really unorganized and un-intuitive about getting CRTemudriver to work, i would need to sit down and give it a whole day of attention and testing.. but bro it's just so fucking gay. so i opted to use CRTPi and its forks instead because i only really wanted to play SNES and Genesis. If I get the urge to do arcade, saturn, and PS1 on my set i will definitely be back to suffer some more. there's a hurdle of daunting tasks that need to be handled and then it usually makes sense after that

to anybody reading this, just do whatever works for you. you dont need to spend a lot of money AND that should never ever be your prerogative from the start

Guess I'll ask. To what degree should I be trying to match the native resolution of a console? Because a lot of those systems didn't display in 240p. I've heard people say sometimes it's better to go for a multiple of the original resolution, so at least things scale properly. I don't know.

>>8667450
OP here, i for once wanted to emulate the 2D NDS titles on retroarch, and since the tiny resolution is 256x192, i supposed 240p will be perfect, cause i love Portrait of Ruin per example, and yes, i set up so i get only once screen visible and swap them with a single button on my controller, i dont care for games with touch screen bullshit.

Also i mentioned i wanna get into devin, and having a crt display of 240p will help me out

>>8667348
The Wii can output 240p so i would say ''JUST EMULATE THERE AND SHUT UP LOL'' but it doesn't do PS1, Dreamcast, or even GBA and NDS, hell even N64 needed dedicated emulators per specific game with speedhacks.

also i saw some people making pixel art and running them on retroarch via image viewer and playin with shaders, i supposed it could be fun outputting those images on real crts at 240p

>>8667321
>https://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1052#p1052

you linked to a guide with dead screenshot links xp

I use one of those cheap $4 HDMI to composite adapters. High resolutions will lag a little, so run at 640x480. It only supports 480i which isn't ideal, sure, but is by FAR the easiest way to output the image from a PC to a CRT TV.

The image is slightly cropped, so use an emulator that supports overscan (like DuckStation) or PCSX2 (zoom out feature).

Sure, you can search for some old arcane GPU, mess with drivers, or spend hundreds of dollars on weird scalers and shit, OR spend 4 bucks on something extremely easy to use.

>>8667515
even 16 and 8 bit games have issues on wii. it made sense a decade ago, but these days a mister or pi with analogue out is by far the better solution.
i will take an OLED+PC+quality CRT shader over wii+CRT any day.

>>8667627
Then why did people shill the fuck out of the wii as THE emu machine years ago?

somebody should make a selfcontained usb dongle gpu with native 240p output

>>8667614
I actually had that shit as well, (OP here) and mine stop working, didnt gave me ANY signal,and i barely had use it, its fucking trash and yeah 480i, yuck.

>>8667705
even then s/0/yboys will jew you out of your money and fetishized scartcity

>>8667705
I think you underestimate the amount of crosstalk required between CPU and GPU or overestimate the speed of USB

>>8667678
>years ago
There you go. That was years ago. This is now.

>>8667627
kek no unless you're talking about one of those addon boards for video output, the built-in composite out on all rpi models is complete fucking trash even by composite standards

also wii games just werk, you'll spend more time configuring the rpi than playing it

>>8666863
Not a pc solution but Recalbox claims their 'rgb dual' hardware for the raspberry pi outputs 240p properly.
https://www.recalbox.com/recalbox-rgb-dual/

>>8667795
>for the low, low price of $400 eurobucks

>>8667805
>price of $400 eurobucks
kickstarter says €40
That's about $45 usd
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/recalbox/recalbox-rgb-dual

>>8667834
>Kekstarter!

i deeply hate you so much

>>8667837
oh no, a poor person

>>8666863
why even bother, just embrace 480p, PS2 Gamecube and the original xbox were like that.

So all of these scalers and shit, what do they do for input lag? I feel like the cheapo ones would be notorious for it.

>>8667776
rpis are very easy to configure and i've configured them plenty of times, and i was talking about an addon board.
i'm personally going to just get an OLED tv and build a PC to get 4K output res + 240p/480p internal res + quality crt shader as I'm sick and tired of carrying CRT's into my apartment.
OP just really wants 240p on his CRT with some sort of emulation machine, and he could go for the wii but emulation on the wii is 'meh'. It'll do what you want it to 90 percent of the time but audio issues, some bad compatibility, poor 5th gen support and less than stellar input lag makes it drag behind more modern solutions, but it is easy as pie.
IMO wiis make the best gamecubes, that's their primary purpose these days. 100 percent native and increased framerate on games that used to dip.

>>8667627
>even 16 and 8 bit games have issues on wii.
name one.

>>8668368
Captain Skyhawk

>>8668729
what about that one? really?

>>8668792
It's bugged, it doesn't make me feel the way I felt when playing it as a kid

>>8668812
my dream is to develop severe dementia and regress to being a child so I can enjoy video games the way I used to

>>8667834
Listen buddy. If you're going to come and shill shit, the least you can do is post a link where I can purchase the damn thing. Oh, it's not out because hurr kikestsrter? Then fuck off until it is, I don't pay for promises.

So does anyone here ever got to fully acomplish this task?

Other anons say they get new Nvidia cards working with the Delock displayport to VGA but no matter what I put in CRU I couldn't get anything to display and just ended up going back to my Radeon card with Emudriver. Good luck OP

>>8669786
CRTemudriverd gives you no luck either?

>>8669814
No that does. That's what's frustrating is I have the cables and transcoder already working greatly with that. Just can't make it work through the Nvidia card

>>8670206
well sadly my motherboard cannot accept another GPU, only has PC-I x1 and x16.

>>8670452
you could maybe try throwing a USB C pci card in there and then using a GPU adapter thing that laptops use.

>>8670501
>USB C pci card

Ok i do have one slot for that, but how do they work?

>>8666863

I feel like the simplest solution is just crtemudriver and pic related. I just found some free shitbox PC from ~2010 on craigslist, bought an old radeon for $30 and that was it

>>8667749
Mine works fine and 480i being a bad thing is just autism. There's plenty of situations where it's okay. I played a lot of PS1, PS2 and GC games rendered in 4K and downsampled to 480i, 3D games clearly look much better and sharper than the original resolution on consoles.

Even 2D games where 240p shines, I'll play it on the PS1/PS2 or the Wii, but otherwise I'll stick to the $4 converter. Extremely simple and zero lag.

>JUST BUY MORE GPUS BRAH
FUCK

So can anyone at least post visual proof that they accomplish making 240p output a thing? or is everyone just copium?

>>8671136
Here's my setup, sorry for the horrible quality of the camera. I use one of those generic hdmi to component converters. I have an Nvidia GTX770 and set the custom resolutions though the nvidia control panel (CRU didn't work for me). No noticebale lag, I usually play Bust a Groove and DDR which have very strict timing.

I couldn't do it and I'm not going to spend more money on adapters and shit like that. I'm playing on my PC CRT at 480p with a light scanline shader. It looks close enough.

>>8671226
>NVIDIA + COMPONENT + NVIDIA settings

Not bad, looks sweet actually, 240p right? i tried NVIDIA custom sets before but got no luck with my GPU, and i use a HDMI to VGA connected to a VGA to RCA Grey box.

I wonder what made the difference, the GPU or the HDMI to Component part?

>>8671226
The resolution is 320x240 or SuperWide Resolution?

>>8671272
>>8671274
They are super resolutions, 2560x240 / 2560x244. I tried 320x240 and even though it works, the image is not properly scaled. Here's my config, the main option that made the resolutions work was setting the timing to "CVT". If I leave them in automatic, I get no signal.

>>8671301
Oh sweet, anything else?

>>8666863
RPi and Retropie with CRT TV and composite cable. It just works.

>>8671375
Can it do NDS, Dreamcast, 2000s arcades MAME and GBA or PS1 even?

>>8666863
>how are super resolutions supposed to work even.?
I don't know how they're "supposed" to work really. I just created two custom resolutions of 2560x240@120hz and 2560x480@120hz for my CRT in nvidia control panel, and Retroarch seemed to switch to those resolutions just fine after entering them manually and the games looked great.
It wouldn't switch between the two automatically for 480p consoles though, and Retroarch wouldn't reset the resolution after quitting for whatever reason which was quite annoying.
>>8671136
Here's a pic for you. IBM G72, not impressive for modern stuff as it has a max res of 1280x1024@60hz, but good for 1024x768 and lower. Thinking of putting it into a DIY arcade cab some day.

>Takes pictures but not videos of it working

>>8672032
Looks neato.

>>8671371
That's pretty much it for the crt. For the emulation, Retroarch is the best option, it can scale, interger, manual refresh rate, align, etc like no other. I tried several standalone emulators and most of them had issues with scale and some didn't even recognize the second screen.

I set custom resolution for each core and save the config manually. I use Launchbox as the frontend, click the game I want and it starts on the crt with the proper config automatically. This is an old video of some dude with almost the same setup to give you an idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dDAT4fsTXY

not same anon but i tried superwide resolution set up to the CRT connected but Retroarch when boot has badly set up picture.

bump

I think what we need if an actual visual guide (yes a video) to showcase ALL THE STEPS and all the methods.

>>8673545
do you expect people to put effort?

>>8666863
>Here's a list of all the best transcoders for this job
>they're all impossible to find

>emulators explode on PC
AW SWEET I can play some old favorites in higher resolution
>normalfag redditors explode
>try to rewind time for that AuThEnTiC (TM) retro experience and play back in shitty resolutions
Fucking clown world, zoom zooms are retards

>>8674452
Cope

>>8674452
480p was bad for most games even at the time

>>8674194
which ones, did you checked ebay?

>>8675371
Audio Authority 9A60[A]
Kramer FC-14
Crescendo Systems TC1600

And yeah I checked ebay.

>>8674719
>no u

>>8674719
>being a normalfag redditor
Your waifu is waiting on the other side of that noose, you fucking tranny.
Just in case you don't understand, you will never be a woman.

>>8676950
>>8676947
Shut up you!

Now back on topic, this is the reason i wanted to accomplish 240p on Retroarch from my PC.

Now this is just a mockup running trough RA but i do spritework and i wanna get into devin.

>>8677087
Sadly this is still 480p and with bilinear filter at 3:2 on RA.

>>8675035
I'm sure you had a 480p CRT anon

>>8677087
You need 240p otherwise looks like ass.

>>8677087
What is even the point when you can use shaders

>>8668819

>>8666863
Delock DP to VGA adapter, CRU custom 15kHz modes. Cable depends on what you use, VGA to SCART or BNC with H/V sync combined to composite or seperate.
Works on modern GPUs, you can add all the same modes as crtemudriver, autoswitching of modes with RA or MAME also works.

Super resolutions are just multitudes of the horizontal resolution, CRTs don't care about horizontal resolutions, so you can go as high as you want but 2560 should be enough, it's only used for aspect ratio correction.

There's no need to use old drivers and GPUs.

>>8670535
Simplest would be a 10 dollar DP dongle and cable.

>>8678585
OP here, i tried stuff like that, but when i did, RA just fucks up with badly stretch GUI, ill try to take a photo later if thread's still up.

>>8678605
Sounds like a configuration error.
Start from a clean config, make sure CRT mode with super resolution is enabled and the GUI resolution is correct.

>>8678585
>Delock DP to VGA adapter

Man I have that exact one and it didn't work for me.

>>8678698
The 62967?
What GPU and OS? What cable do you use and what monitor?

>>8678706
Nvidia GTX 1050 TI with Windows 10. It's a Sony Trinitron and can't really find the cable right now.

>>8678709
I've tested a 1070 which is also a Pascal card under Windows 10 and that worked fine just like my 2070S.
Might be a problem with the VGA to SCART or whatever you use for your Trinitron? Maybe a typo in CRU?

>>8678618
Thanks, ill try.

Just a remind, my GPU doesnt have the DP (Display Port) you might mentioned, i have a DVI to VGA adaptor, then the VGA cable goes trough a VGA to RCA box, ill get back to ya.

>>8678739
ah, right, mine doesnt have the DisplayPort you mention, it think that might be the issue.

>>8666906
>what is a crt

Getting a 240p signal out vs having every available arcade resolution/refresh on the fly are two different experiences. Groovymame/crtemudriver may be a bitch to setup, but getting all of those odd refresh rates to be exact means you get perfect scrolling with no need to add lag. Plus per game geometry adjustments are as simple as changing a few numbers in an ini.

>>8678904
have you had luck mate?

>>8678698
Same, anon. I have a custom VGA to Component transcoder that works with my CRT Emudriver card but I couldn't get it working with my 3080TI through the delock. Sucks cause I'd really like to be able to turn off testsigning mode for this shit so EAC stops bullshitting me

>>8678808
good luck getting a GPU with DP then.

>>8678904
You realize that screenmodes and the driver itself are two different things, you can add the same screenmodes to anything, don't have to use crtemudriver.

Bump

>>8678732
lol who knows, I think I spent a bit too much time and money on this for now though and rather just play games instead

>>8666863
>>8678585
I was hoping this dude would respond. He can vouch for that. I can only vouch for some cheap AMD POS card -> VGA/analog DVI -> cable to vga-to-component transcoder -> component cable to component ports on my 15khz CRT TV combined with CRTemudrivers. Works, but you won't have massive GPU power.

>>8679803
Yeah or you can install that and have everything done on the fly, Groovymame sets the refresh of whatever resolution to be identical to the game selected, so you don't have to manually install them all.

>>8679258
Yeah been doing this shit for a decade now.

>>8681994
also no one does that anyway, they install one or two superwides and scale everything to that and add vsync which adds lag or run with screen tearing on lots of games with odd refreshes, and still have lots of weird scaling issues on the artwork, but hey at least scanlines are there

>>8682010
So unless this dude actually shows us a full video guide on how he does these: >>8678618 >>8678585 >>8672032 >>8671226 then nobody would be satisfied.

And in fairness, we kinda need one, because the so called ''guides'' on yt are either cameraphone turds who just show you the end result but dont show you the skipped steps, or faggot s/0/yboy leftubers wanting to grift you out of your pocket by telling you to waste in overpriced transcoders that might not work even.

I'd like to know how to output 480i/240p on linux. How to setup xrandr or wayland or whatever. How to setup retroarch and mame. What adapters to use, recommended hardware, how to not fuck up my CRT because it's the only love I have left in my life. I'm also a jobless NEET so I don't want to spend too much.
When I start getting my hard earned wagie bux I'll check how to do all of this, probably going to write a blog post about it or something.
But it's true, this information is really hard to come by. I thought more people were interested in this hobby. But it seems more people are interested in installing 256 GB SD cards in their iPods or installing chink ISPs in their gameboys because the internet is filled to the brim with tutorials telling you how to do it.

>>8672795
In retroarch.cfg, aspect ratio is set to custom (this will be a number, not the word custom), custom viewport x is set to 2560, custom viewport y is set to 240

>>8675962
Either wait for linuxbot3000 to restock or buy portta hdmi to ypbpr (someone correct me if it doesn't do 240p). If it's composite or s-vid, I can really only recommend linuxbot3000.

>>8678739
Just fyi, most "vga to rca" boxes aren't just transcoders, they're downscaling the image to 480i.

>>8682225
>to 480i

so they are useless then for 240p, some dipshit on twatter is trying to convince me he got 240p using those chink ones from aliexpress but maybe the dumbass hasn't take a look.

>>8682196
thanks ill try.

>>8682225
480i, that explains it, best just use a set with vga input or at the very least component.

>>8668332
The good ones have zero lag. Check out retroRGB channel.

>>8681994
What are you on about? You can just use all the crtemudriver modes or enter them manually via CRU, take your pick. As stated, RA and GroovyMAME auto switch just as with crtemudriver. You're acting like this is advanced physics or something.

>>8682010
Only the vertical resolution matters and frequency, auto switching works with super resolutions anyways.
There's no scaling issues, that's why super resolution exists. Also you're rendering each frame while displaying the last one, there's no added latency from v-sync on things like RA, specially with run ahead where you can get lower latencies than the original system with you use a CRT.

>>8682036
Anon has posted several guides though, everything from what adapters to buy, what cables to get or how to make one to how the software works. No idea why they were never added to the /CRT/ thread sticky or related.

>>8682036
The HDMI to composite transformed method is shit though and hard locked to 480i with lots of latency, no idea why you're quoting that. Even the anon said it in the post. It's not the same as DP to VGA, etc.

>>8682212
i agree. i tried retrotek's vga - component transcoder and it was defective. after a long series of emails he finally took it back n i got a refund. i been using the linuxbot3000 vga - component transoder ever since. which was also 30$ cheaper

>>8682036
I'm this guy: >>8671226 >>8671301

This is the adapter I use. It's a cheap chinese transcoder, doesn't even have a serial number. DVI-HDMI adapter coming from the PC (video card doesn't have a second hdmi output). HDMI goes into the transcoder and component cables goes to the TV. That's it for hardware, no need for display port. Since it's an nvidia video card, I can't use CRTemudriver, but the nvidia control panel did the trick just fine.

It's 240p, no 480i or any of that crap. In fact, I hope I can figure out how to output 480i for Dreamcast games. 240p on Dreamcast looks like shit. I agree that there should be a video tutorial explaining these things, but there are so many transcoders and TV models, it becomes imposible to please everyone. You're gonna have your own issues that I didn't even see.

>>8666863
Anons who managed who get this done, post pic proofs like these fellas >>8684482
>>8678618
>>8672032
>>8671226

>>8684482
Holy cow, thanks man

>>8684482
Where'd you buy the transcoder? If I'm going to take the plunge into cheap chink shit, I'd at least like to do so with one known to deliver.

>>8684531
It's been a couple of years but I think it came from ebay. This looks exacly like mine, it's probably the same: https://www.newegg.com/p/2VR-00E8-001W8
It's out of stock but hope it helps to find it somewhere else.

>>8666921
Your gtx 550 has a better ramdac and circuit setup for a crt than any of this modern stuff. Does it not have a vga port?

All you need is a dvi-vga adapter

>>8684646
I have one actually, 2 of em, but i just read that my transcoder is shit and locks to 480i, no matter what, need to get a new CRT then with VGA or component input because the one i currently have is pretty much useless.

>>8684797
Sorry I'm retarded. I forgot you said you wanted a 15khz not vga/31khz.

There's a line doubling hack but it has mixed compatability.

>>8684882
god dammit.

>>8685114
I mean, you can go a long way with a monitor with vga input. That should support all the way down to 320x240 and up to 1024x768 easily, and reproach and other emulators handle it fine.

>>8685172
then dont scare me man.

>>8678585
Is there any recommendations for where to buy the adapter at? I'm in NA and most places seem to be EU for it. Also, any idea if it works for a 3060?

>>8685814
Also, since I'm using a CRT monitor, I assume that 15Hz isn't supported?

>>8685172
VGA on a 31+ kHz monitor can either do 240p@120Hz with BFI or 480p@60Hz and scanline filter. Both give similar results.
Otherwise just use a 15kHz set.

>>8685814
Amazon. Should work.

>>8685826
CRT monitors can be either 15kHz or 31+ kHz, if that's what you meant? Old 15kHz ones usually use RGB+S or RGBS+HV and modern ones use VGA, which is mostly the same thing as far as the wiring goes.
Unless you meant the refresh rate, then 15Hz is too low, most go down to ~48Hz but even then it flickers horribly.

but op, dont you know?
pc gaming makes you deficient

>>8685826
60hz is the vertical refresh rate, you always want 60hz. Maybe for some late 90s windows games you could do 70hz for less screen tearing in an fps

15khz or 31khz is the horizontal refresh rate.

Say most arcade monitors or TVs (15kHz/CGA) are designed for a horizontal frequency of around 15,750Hz. At 60Hz, this means you often run around 262 total lines. They are less likely to be multisync.

262 lines per frame * 60 frames per second = 15,720 lines per second = 15,720Hz horizontal frequency

A decent vga compatible monitor will be multisync and can run 15khz-50khz or more. That's 320x240 up to 1024x768 or whatever. Past 768 vertical lines the pixel density starts to be too much or the phosphor on the crt isn't good enough. 1280x1024 looks noticeably bad compared to 768 unless you have a very good monitor.

>>8686161
I'd agree with all this except mouse and keyboard is a good peripheral for many games.

>>8686216
soulpatchanbuff is just a very special guy
the more things he says, the more confused you are
it's like witnessing a unicorn

Threads like this are spectacular autism.
All this bullshit just to lug around a radiation tube because you've convinced yourself 1 frame of input delay makes any difference and filters are for le plebs

Only zoomies fall for the CRT meme. Everyone else was alive when the things were in every household.

>>8686161
I'm curious what experiment this guy is talking about. Also, who screencapped this by the way?

>>8682036
>老ボット
面白い言葉遊びですね

>>8686321
You did while shilling yourself. Well done, retard.

>>8686328
No, I'm not SoulPatchanBuff, but he follows the same people I do on Twatter.

>>8686161
Uh? I know this is bait but what did you think when posting it? It's not even relevant to anything.
I use a controller while playing on a 15kHz set and I also don't use savestates, so why does this matter at all for /vr/ and 15kHz displays on PCs for emulation? Honest question, I'm confused.

>>8686369
What's up SoulPatchanBuff

>>8686310
>not being able to play light gun games

No wonder all you zoomie emufags think the master system is shit.

>>8686402
>>8686391
>>8686369
>>8686340
>>8686310
>>8686268
>>8686161
Here comes the shittism

>>8686405
Thanks for the (you)

>>8686391
Fuck off with your dumb ecelebs, I never even heard the name before. I'm asking a question, either answer of shut up.

>>8686502
>expecting an honest explanation to a zoomer shitpost
Way to signal your autism, anon

>>8685968
>>8686213
Thanks for the explanations.

I've checked Amazon and they don't have any Delock adapters. Is there any alternatives that are also recommended?

>>8686951
look from what i understood after all teh debacle, its recommended your GPU has DisplayPorts (not to be confused with HDMI or DVI ports), that is if you dont have native vga output, and you MUST get a TV set that has VGA input or at the very least Component, because that is the only way you could get native 240p, otherwise it locks at 480i, then you could try super resolutions set trough Nvidia control panel (2560 horizontal), since crtemudriver is a mess that only seems to work when it feels like it.

>>8686983
I know that, problem is that because I have a 3060, which has DP, it seems a lot of adapters don't work very well except the Delock one, but that seems to be mostly only available in EU. I have a CRT monitor so VGA is all it has.

i am gonna need to run trough a flea market for one, or local neighborhood for it.

>>8686983
>and you MUST get a TV set that has VGA input or at the very least Component
You need RGB input, any TV in Europe made after 1990 with SCART will have RGB.
Most TVs with VGA input accept 31kHz already and are HDTVs which suck for /vr/ and specially for 240p. You'd want to avoid those.

>>8688621
mhh, alright so, my TV only accepts shitty composite (had no luck going at a flea market, there is literally NADA anymore, just idiots not wearing masks properly and lots of clothes and food), so to summarize

No need to change GPU
VGA to Composite is out of the picture cause locks to 480i
My GPU has no DisplayPort but i have 2 DVI to HDMI's.
My Chink White box HDMI2AV is out to cause shitty pic and 480i

So would you reccomend:

DVI > HDMI > RGB (component) > RCA.

Or should i just give up (i am getting a used laptop from 2014 with native VGA output anyways in a few months.)

>>8690140
Just RGB mod the TV.

>>8690153
well ok, my CRT TV still works, but, i hope your answer isnt a shitpost because i been thinking to mod the TV to fix some issues with bad brightness color and contrast and add RGB inputs, and maybe SVideo.

Whoever made this useless thread just need to embrace 480i or nothing

https://www.lowes.com/pd/SPT-VGA-to-Composite-or-S-Video-Converter/5001552589?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-elc-_-ggl-_-PLA_ELC_106_Tools-Wire-Connectors-_-5001552589-_-online-_-0-_-0&ds_rl=1286981&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5qvc-Jmz9gIVR6iGCh2TswBvEAQYCiABEgI7OvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Just found this. No. I haven't tested it.

>>8691587
It only cost $50 on thier site.

>>8691587
>access denied

nigga, use tinyurl

>>8666863
>crtemudriver
>radeon
YOU DON'T NEED ANY OF THIS SHIT. At least for a PC CRT.
Step 1. Get a Displayport->VGA adapter. I use one from Delocke. Buy a more expensive one if you want higher refresh rates or resolution.
Step 2. (to get the most out of your CRT) Determine the maximum refresh rate at 240p.
https://www.pctechguide.com/crt-monitors/crt-monitor-resolution-and-refresh-rates-vsf
You need to know the HSF of your monitor. If that isn't available, just experiment with higher and higher refresh rates until your monitor can't output the signal.
Step 3. Make a custom modeline with xrandr. Use the "cvt" utility to get the code.
for 120Hz 240p I use...

xrandr --newmode "320x240_120.00" 12.25 320 336 360 400 240 243 247 261 -hsync +vsync
xrandr --addmode "DisplayPort-1" 320x240_120.00
xrandr --output HDMI-A-0 --auto

Step 4. Profit.

Might make a video about this soon.

>>8691598
https://sptsecurity.com/product/15-da01/

It says its for mame.

>>8691629
>https://sptsecurity.com/product/15-da01/

Okie Dokei...........but, which one does, 240p or 480i?

>>8691602
>Might make a video about this soon.

Please do as soon as possible, i dont think 4chan will allow this thread for a few days more, and if it doesnt, make a follow up if i dont do!

>>8691602
For a second I hoped you were talking about 240p on TVs

>>8691939
welp, some PC CRTs have composite input, i saw trinitron ones, those might work.

>>8691989
there's multiscan ones that accept 15khz rgb and vga switch between them automatically depending on the signal
but most with composite just line double 240p to 480p internally since it's cheaper and easier than having circuitry for 15khz

I found something to mod a tv, but its from a s/0/ytuber so make as that as you will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLz6pgvsZ_I

>>8692010
DP to VGA to RGB and a RGB TV or TV with RGB mod should work well and would be better and cheaper than component too

>>8692014
>>8692010
looking at the footage of that video, i cannot see any scanlines.

>>8692028
Correct, concumer shadow mask set at that size doesn't really display individual scanlines and noticeable as higher TVL and/or AG sets.

>>8692032
>and noticeable
as noticeably*

>>8692032
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oFLF6J3qzA

>>8692028
>>8692032
and that's a good thing
PVM meme is a joke

>>8692036
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
A AG TV with high TVL has noticeable scanlines? Correct.

>>8692036
>PC output from 640x480 HDMI to 240p
Will never give as good results as proper 240p straight from the PC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbEyuDTrZvA

>>8691602
>Delocke

Any other adapter that I can buy in the US and not pay 35€ for shipping? I currently have one that was like $10 and it works fine, but if I go anywhere lower than 85Hz it makes a horrible loud beeping noise as if it's going to blow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n-yu1flKbY

>>8692046
>240p@120Hz
Sucks you have to have a good CRT with brightness boosting function since you'll have to enable black frame insertion or you'll get double images with movement

>>8692051
At that point you might just want to use 480p@60Hz and add fake scanlines

>>8692056
Even if you don't have such a monitor (I had one once, and man do I miss it), I've heard it said increasing the intensity of the color channels to max also does the trick. Not sure if that fucks with the overall color accuracy of the image, or to what extent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANbZ45FuyJA

https://cdcruze.com/2019/03/retroarch-and-crt-emudriver-setup-guide/

>>8692064
I think safer would just be to do 480p@60Hz with a shader then, you'd get the same result as 240p at 60Hz without having to mess around with frame insertion

>>8692036
>>8692046
>>8692051
>>8692065
>>8692068
Kek all that shit when people can just do >>8678585 >>8678618 >>8684482

>>8692065
>>8692068
People really buy old hardware and jump thru all those hoops to get 240p on a PC? Emu niggers really are something.

>>8692076
You don't, see: >>8692072

>>8692069
Yeah, that's what I used. It also has the added benefit of 480i support for games that switch between it and 240p with the right shader.

That said, I could be wrong, but the 120Hz method should result in lower input lag, would it not? Or would BFI ultimately eliminate that advantage?

>>8684482
here's one, is it similar?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194876707600?_ul=MX&chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=21562-222008-2056-1&mkcid=2&itemid=194876707600&targetid=878892090234&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=1010005&poi=&campaignid=1823483887&mkgroupid=71048310433&rlsatarget=pla-878892090234&abcId=1140956&merchantid=118952506

>>8692069
I tried using shaders on RA while running CRTswitch and i get no changes, and i had isses with the pixel scaling and had to turn bilinear filter on, otherwise looks dreadful.

>>8692083
BFI eliminates that
Also the games are still 30 or 60 Hz internally, so it would only work for games that actually run at 120 Hz but then you would also not need BFI

>>8692112
Not anon but it's a gamble to know what chip is inside a specific model, specially the cheap ones from China, sometimes you get the one you want, sometimes it's hard locked 480i crap, etc

>>8692162
Well then, there is truly no advantage to 240p@120Hz after all. I tried it once, and after applying BFI to get non-shit motion, I realized it looked exactly the same as 480p@60Hz + fake scanlines, so I just went with that.

>>8692165
Only dissasambling this things one can see.

How flexible is an average TV for freak resolutions and refresh rates on arcade games?

>>8692321
most are inside 15khz, which is the important part
some might have different resolutions + refresh rate but the end result is still usually 15.3, 15.7, etc khz, which is fine

>>8692337
Such a freak experiment

>>8692337
I see. Wonder if it's worth hunting down one of the late AMD cards with analog output for straight 15khz as I just found out my onboard Intel video is too old for Vulkan usage in Retroarch.

>>8691602
>320x240
Why not make it ultrawide (3840x240)?

>>8693858
Just use a modern card with a DP adapter, no need to limit yourself or hunt down old GPUs.

>>8693876
Probably just don't know about the benefits.

>>8684482
Wait no 480i? Have any of the other anons here using the method on Nvidia cards gotten 480i? Seems pretty gimped if you can't. PS1 resolution switching is pretty nice as well as 6th gen emulation and watching old SD shows.

For the time being i given up on the TV CRT, so i am using and old Compaq Presario CRT monitor

>>8694661
Nope, right out the bat, picturw is too burned in dim anyways, even worse thebln the crt i was using.

>>8694501
Is that a Sony 20FS120 and a Mitsubishi DiamonPlus? Peak taste, my man.

>>8694501
For anything 480* you're better off with a VGA CRT already, both 480i and 480p.

>>8695270
>VGA
>480i
what did he mean by this

>>8695356
You do realize that you can do 480i@120Hz on a VGA monitor? The interlace also hides doubling very well, unlike 240p@120Hz.
But you might as well just deinterlace (or force native 480p) with your emulator and do 480p for everything at 60Hz.

>>8695386
Kek I'm starting to think people actually don't know how to create custom modes using VGA and that's why so many clueless people pop up constantly with these topics

>>8694694
That looks so fucking horrible, i suppose your monitor is burned out?

>>8695190
Yeah, thanks bro. I've moved and picked up a D series for the room and have the FS120 in the garage to make a set up around

>>8695270
I emulate on the Diamondtron sometimes at 60hz and use a shader for 240p/480i yeah but I think SD shows and anime still look better with 480i on an SD set. Also actual TVs come way bigger

>>8678585
>>8686983
>>8691602
I don't get it. I can then just use pic rel to output 240p and 480i to my CRT TV as long as I set up xrandr correctly? (Yes I know this cable won't work if my GPU isn't outputting a 15 kHz signal) Also, if I'm just testing stuff with my pc and then hook it up to my actual monitor (1080p LED) will it switch automagically?

>>8695657
Not with that cable but technically yes, you need a cable that does RGB+S, not just RGB, also if you use YPbPr instead of RGBS (or RGBHV) you need to convert RGB to YPbPr.
Like a VGA to RGBS or RGBHV cable, VGA to SCART with joined sync or VGA to BNC with separate sync, like for European TVs or American/European PVMs, BVMs, etc.
You just need to set up 15kHz modes for the VGA output if your DAC supports it, most external ones like DP to VGA do.

Like pic related, ignore the power and audio if you don't need auto switching or sound on TV.

>>8695663
Then it looks like it's too much trouble for what it's worth. I was hoping I could just buy a 10 dollar cable off amazon and call it a day. I've just bought a hdmi to component adapter from ali, will make sure to poast results in the next CRT thread.

I know this is offtopic, but how do you people deal with using many consoles on a single CRT? I have a cheap pic related just so that I don't need to reach the back of my CRT every time I want to change cables, but is there any quality loss? I pretty much use it as an extension and only have 1 scart connected at a time.

>>8695782
Of course you could buy ready made SCART or BNC cables for this, plenty of retro sales sites specialize in things like that.

>>8695663
not him, but I was wondering how to convert to ypbpr. I currently use a delocke cable to go from displayport->VGA for my CRT monitor, but I want to output to my large CRT TV. The problem is all the converters assume you have RGB SCART. Do I really have to go from Displayport->VGA->RGB SCART->Component?

>>8696260
>Do I really have to go from Displayport->VGA->RGB SCART->Component?
Yes since the RGB to YPbPr converters don't add lag, it's a simple circuit. It's still the cleanest way to do it.

>>8696340
Actually they do add a few microseconds, which is represented by the picture being shifted rightwards. You can adjust your display to compensate though.

>>8696343
Latency itself wouldn't shift the picture, since all the timings stay the same and porches in the timing move the picture, the movement probably just comes from how YPbPr itself is decoded. If you have a device with both RGBS and YPbPr to test with, post pictures.
As for the latency, the circuitry itself is very simple and any added latency would be in the territory of the beam's travel distance and not even a whole scanline.

>>8696435
>Latency itself wouldn't shift the picture, since all the timings stay the same and porches in the timing move the picture,
The circuit you show would result in a small propagation delay for the video signals but not for the synchronisation. Therefore the active signal comes a tiny bit late in each line.
The datasheet for the LT6550 says it takes 20-35ns to settle, so two in series should add 40-70ns. 480i pixel clock is 13.5MHz, meaning a period of 74ns, so you'd expect to see the picture shifted half a pixel to a pixel right.
Probably not a big deal in this case but if other people are using transcoders with higher delays it could be more noticeable. I will say that I haven't personally noticed such an issue.

>>8695663
>sync-merge with two resistors
yeah, oof and yikes.

>>8696340
So its technically possible to do Displayport -> VGA -> YPbPr it just adds a little lag? But going Displayport -> VGA -> RGB SCART -> YPbPr somehow doesn't have this issue?

>>8698015
Neither add's any noticeable lag over just DP to VGA to RGB.
Read: >>8696435 and >>8696468

Literally nanoseconds, anon even calculated it, the delay being the equivalent of half or one pixel of what the beam draws on the screen.
Of course there's always "lag" to everything, even wires.

>>8698112
Isn't much of a issue even if the lag was in milliseconds instead of nanoseconds since we can emulate old systems faster than the original hardware to fine tune this to match the original system anyways.

>>8696953
Not the cleanest way to do it but if that's all you can muster, it's the simplest. The tolerances on both sides of devices are big enough to be a issue.
If you can't or don't want to DIY, no shame in that, you can get VGA to RGB cables and boxes that do it in better ways online already.

>>8698120
>to be a issue.
to not be a issue*

>>8698120
And then the SCART output can be converted to component with a simple cable then? If my cheapo aliexpress hdmi adapte doesn't ork I'll try this approach, but with a premade box that is.

>>8698778
You can go straight from VGA to SCART via cable into a RGB/SCART to YPbPr converter like pic related, a simple cable isn't enough to go from RGB to YPbPr.

>>8698789
Ah, I get it now, sorry for seeming so dumb this is kinda confusing to me, but I think I get it:
Pic rel is >>8696435
So, you first go from VGA to SCART with >>8698120 or >>8695663 so you can get the correct RGB signal, and then you go from SCART to component with pic rel so you go from RGB to YPbPr. I'm googling scart to component adapters and I'm kinda at a loss there, how much does the one you posted cost and where can I buy it?

>>8698853
>>8698853
Sorry, got confused, the adapter I'm looking for is a VGA to SCART so I don't have to do the circuit myself, although it is an alternative if I can't find VGA to SCART converters.

>>8698789
But 240p or 480i?

>>8698862
Any mode you give out your VGA port that the TV supports, both 240p and 480i. It's not a frame doubler or scaler, it just changes the physical signal from RGB to YPbPr

>>8698853
>>8698859
No problem, don't worry. Now you're getting it.
Example, your modern GPU: DP to VGA - VGA to SCART - SCART to YPbPr - Your TV/PVM, etc
You also need the right settings on the software side though.

The MiSTer VGA to SCART cable should work I think. Haven't tested it myself though but I think it had the right wiring.

>>8698934
Yeah, my GPU has VGA already so I reckon we can just ignore DP to VGA and go straight from VGA to SCART. In the software side I guess I only need to tell xrandr I want a modeline with a horizontal frequency of 15 kHz, irregardless of resolution (240p or 480i). Thanks for the help anon, it's kinda more expensive than what I had in mind, but it''l remain a viable alternative if the cheapest ones don't work.

>>8698972
Yeah, buying a ready made cable and adding a YPbPr converter rises the price.
Otherwise if you can just use SCART for RGB and a DP adapter with a self made cable, it can easily be done for 30 bucks.

>>8672032
>120hz
So you basically just threw away the most important feature of the CRT, might as well just use an LCD at this point. Frame rate must match refresh rate or there is no point to having a CRT in the first place.

>>8691602
>120.00
Stop telling people to use 120Hz, frame rate must be matched to refresh rate or CRT is pointless.

>>8700370
>>8700383
I mean, you can add BFI to get the necessary framerate and smooth CRT motion back, but then why even bother with 120Hz at all? May as well do 480p@60Hz with fake scanlines, as the end result is the same.

>>8700393
I have never understood why people bother with scanlines at all. They look like complete ass on a monitor, and certainly look nothing like a TV.

>>8700410
240p line-doubled to 480p actually looks pretty legit on a CRT monitor. Sure, it's blockier-looking, but at least there's no loss in brightness, and you still get every other advantage of a CRT (colors, contrast, and most of all motion clarity).

>>8700420
Here's a comparison btw.

>>8700383
You can play games at 120fps.

>>8700370
>>8700383
Just use BFI if you really need to use 240p on a 31kHz display.

>>8700393
This.

>>8700410
>>8700420
>>8700426
It's the same as PVM retardation. For some reason ugly black lines between your sprites is COOL.

>>8700817
Not hardcoded games like when emulating old consoles.

>>8700426
What about the 2nd and 3rd pictures?

>>8701841
They don't have scanlines, so they are shit

>>8701841
>>8700426
where the 2nd and 3rd pictures came from?

>>8703117
I believe it's from some common run-of-the-mill Dell monitor.

I have a CRT TV with component input but is only capable of 480i. I watch to watch old anime that I’ve torrented. Whats the easiest way to go about this? I’m willing to splurge on a home media pc for this but i have no clue what could even output to it

>>8704116
it can only do 480i? try plugin an NES and see if it has scanlines, thats 240p

>>8704167
I don’t have NES, I use hacked Wii for everything pre-fifth gen

>>8704194
then put some Nestopia there and test

>>8704116
HD or 120Hz? How is the motion on those things, I would imagine the de-interlacing is kind of shit.

>>8666967
Why are you poor?

>>8705161
lots of us dont wanna be poor.

>>8666967
>Isnt that thing prohibitively expensive too?
lol no