/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8679468
Been ages since I played it but I remember 2 being much better. Maybe try that if 1 is a chore.

>>8679473
does 2 have more abelites that help you sneak?

>>8679482
It has more items I think. Possibly some improved controls.

>>8679468
Make sure to use the rice ball bait trick: throw the rice to a specific location to lure a guard and then stealth kill him before he actually eats it so you can get multiple uses out of it. Also I'm probably stating the obvious here but use the rooftops as much as possible

And remember grandmaster is a challenge to add replay value, ghosting the entire game is the hardest thing you can do and is supposed to take a lot of practice. I eventually grandmastered all the levels but not on my first playthrough. I'd say just play through once from start to finish to enjoy the story and get familiar with the levels and if you can manage to get top ranks along the way then great but don't fixate on it. No need to get autistic with completionism the first time around.

>>8679719
I like this take, and the second part applies to the Thief series as well.

I understand the appeal of going for the highest difficulty immediately, but if you're having to reset your game constantly, I would reexamine the way you use your free time.

You'll be better at the game after clearing it once anyway

>>8679473
>>8679501
I dunno about you, but I played through 2 right after the first game and enjoyed it far less. It looks better, and has far more gameplay options, but it also felt jankier than the first somehow. The nerfed grapple is one thing, but I found my attacks tended to completely whiff enemies (when I clearly should have hit them) far more than they ever did in 1, or having stealth attacks take ages to end, more often than not leading to me getting caught by other enemies because Rikimaru was popping off and posing for 15 full seconds, and then there’s relatively uninteresting stages, as well as generally annoying stages (kill every enemy, get to the end without being caught) made worse by the aforementioned janky combat and slow stealth kills, and Ayame having some straight up insufferable boss fights due to her short range weapons plus aforementioned janky combat. The complete lack of music outside of boss fights, especially when the first game had a fantastic soundtrack, was a baffling choice too.

Tenchu 1 is unironically the best game in the series so if you're not feeling it now abandon ship

>>8679473
>>8679482
2 is dogshit. If you like ghosting a stealth game OP, 2 is definitely THE worst game in the series for you because you can only s rank missions by killing literally every guard.

Is there an english text patch for the japanese version of this game? Since it takes place in goddamn Japan and all, japanese VO would be pretty cool to have.

>>8679741
>I understand the appeal of going for the highest difficulty immediately
im actually playing on normal because I struggled with everything so much in the beginning.

>>8679719
Tenchu 1 has some neat stuff like the rice ball, and the idea of being able to grappling hook over everyone. Your right that that I should not go for grandmaster on every level I just dont like having alerts, and i dont find the combat particularly fun (love the bad voice acting though). Thats how i play hitman/theif/splintercell as well though ill just mash restart until I can do it with no alerts.

>>8680169
>Tenchu 1 is unironically the best game in the series
damn thats disappointing to hear

Just started playing it myself. It's janky but not that much. The problem is that guards can see you too easily, and can see you from beyond the fog so you can't do flashy tricks, which might become a problem later on.

>>8680504
Those are called "undubs", anon, and there's a cheat.

>At the mission select screen hold L1 and press Left, Left, Down, Down, Square, Square, Triangle, Circle
Apparently it only works after the first level, so you'll have to craaaash the party.

>>8680689
>The problem is that guards can see you too easily, and can see you from beyond the fog

this is whats really grinding my gears. I hope you enjoy it though.

>>8679468
Gotta use the strafe shoulder buttons and camera together for better viewing angles and to make fine movement adjustments. Controls become a lot better in the PS2 games where this comes as a natural habit from playing all the games so much

>>8680689
>>8680739
Crouching really helps. It's probably best to crouch and roll around if you're not in an area that's relatively safe like a rooftop.

>>8680602
>damn thats disappointing to hear
Wrath of Heaven is a lot more "modern" and doesn't have 2's fucktarded scoring system but my problem with it is that it has schizo guards that double take constantly just to fuck with you and the level design in general is pretty linear outside of a few standout levels. 1 has the best levels for the most part.

>>8680504
Japanese version already has an English text actually

>>8680762
The stealth kill animation is fantastic but you can't skip it. You're stuck in it until it ends so if an enemy sees you while you're still styling on the guy you just kirisute gomen'd, you're fucked. Doesn't help that some guards stand still looking at one another and they look at random directions with no real pattern so there's a bit too much waiting for a perfect stealth doublekill. But it's still fun so far, no strong opinions yet.

>>8679468
1. It's not hard.
2. If you're doing direct combat you're doing it wrong. Avoid fighting as much as possible.
3. Stealth kill everything.
4. Use the roof tops. Jump up. Look down. They have a harder time seeing you from above. The first level is nothing but buildings you can climb onto.
5. Watch guards. Once they turn around run up and kill them. Rinse and repeat.
6. The only tools you need are your sword and your grappling hook.
7. take it slow. Much of the game is sitting watching guards.

Watch a few of how other people do grand master.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gJ1-rVWuZ0

>>8680769
Like, a full translation of all the text?

>>8680762
>. It's probably best to crouch and roll around
i did notice this somewhat was a way to inch up on gaurds i knew where there its kinda silly but it works

>>8680781
>You're stuck in it until it ends so if an enemy sees you while you're still styling on the guy you just kirisute gomen'd, you're fucked

true but you have a long ass time to get away from a guard alerting after they go to ? state probably because of the clunky (imo) controls.

>>8680781
>Doesn't help that some guards stand still looking at one another and they look at random directions with no real pattern
i know what you mean but honesty if you just wait till they turn completely around you should have enough time to run up on them just takes a bit to get used to.

>>8680782
i agree its not that hard but it is frustrating. Also i try to kill as little as possible in general. I did try to look at stuff for the 4th level a little bit to see if there was something I was missing but I did not look at full grandmaster playthroughs I probably should.

>>8680825
>i agree its not that hard but it is frustrating. Also i try to kill as little as possible in general.

Well, it shouldn't be frustrating either. You slink in the shadows, go kill a guy, and slink back. The gameplay is biased towards rewarding stealth kills and massacring the entire levels which isn't what Ninjas are supposed to be but whatever. You don't set off alarms when guards discover a dead body too. They just walk over to it, do 360 scan and then return to normal.

Watch the longplayer above on youtube. They're quite sloppy, but still gets grand master in each level. They take it slow and methodically, stopping constantly to stop and watch. The Chi meter shows how alert the closest enemy is too.

Also you have a quick turn, which is useful. You need to crouch and you do a 180 spin roll. Crouching also helps by decreasing how much you can be seen by about 50.

The most fun items are the simple boring ones. The rice you get can be thrown, and guards will walk over to eat it, leaving them open to attack from behind.

This is now a thread about Ayame's fat ass

>>8681235
i wouldnt complain to loudly if my thread was hijacked for this

>>8681097
some of the later grandmaster reward items sound really cool like chameleon spell, and decoy whistle. Also, ya the rice bowl is nice to pull out gaurds with.

>>8681235
I play game because fun sneakz, I stay for booty

>>8681235
Is it every Tenchu thread's fate to be smothered by her ass sooner or later?

Echigoya....
Where have you hidden?

>>8681613
He makes it sound like it's a big deal, meanwhile Echigoya is just hiding out in a storeroom around the corner. Did you know in the Japanese version he doesn't run away and you just kill him right then and there? I guess the Americans felt the level was too short and wanted to extend it.

>>8681627
>Did you know in the Japanese version he doesn't run away and you just kill him right then and there?
That's interesting, I didn't know that. But he still fires that matchlock pistol at you in the jap version?

>>8681627
More Japan only shenanigans.

1. The game was re-released with the ability to create fan missions and new levels from the NA/EU version.

>"Rittai Ninja Katsugeki Tenchu: Shinobi Gaisen"
>立体忍者活劇 天誅 忍凱旋

2. The devs asked people to send in their best levels. Presumably this meant mailing in memory cards which I presume were mailed back.
3. The best levels were selected and released on its own disc as a budget expansion pack. For some reason, I never see Tenchu fans discuss this.

>Rittai Ninja Katsugeki Tenchu: Shinobi Hyakusen
>立体忍者活劇 天誅 忍百選

>>8681642
Yes, he has the pistol. But his AI is to first run away. He'll only fire if he has some distance.

>>8681283
>>8680825
Check out the first level playthrough here, and see how they play. The rice ball is stupidly useful. Shirukens take out dogs well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Y58nxFNJA

>you can just straight up murder women

>>8681691
I strongly suspect that Metal Gear Solid devs played Tenchu, since a lot of the tricks in this game show up in MGS2. Including throwing an item to distract enemies, and scaling railings.

>>8681702
Note the game is very lenient with sightings. This guard straight up saw his friend get sliced, but it only counts as a mild suspicion.

>>8681704
Select is for map which I forgot about.

>>8681702
I always found it wierd how both cover systems in Tenchu and MGS1 do this zoom in that looks very similar to each other. But neither one could have ripped off the other as they only came out a few months from each other.

>>8681731
MGS was shown off at game shows multiple times in the years before Tenchu was released, with several playable demos released which the devs would have had access to. It's obvious Tenchu borrows from MGS. Then MGS2 borrowed from Tenchu.

>Can't cut through the shoji doors

>>8681690
>The game was re-released with the ability to create fan missions and new levels from the NA/EU version.
this is really cool. Also i did grandmaster the 2nd and 3rd level so im not entirely unaware of how to play.

>>8681731
not as similar a game but thief came out in 98 as well crazy year.

>>8681751
That looks like shit, but at the same time I kinda like how shit it is because it looks like the entire game was done with sprites and not 3d character models.

>>8680689
how you holding up anon still enjoying the game?

>>8683895
Totsunyū suru.

>>8680689
I'm sorry, fuck you. That 180 flip you did at 0:30 is something I had no idea you could do.

>>8685158
Did you not read the manual, anon?

got all grand masters on all 3 games here
- you can get GM by ignoring everyone in the level while not getting seen. you know, like a Ninja would do. the 1st game is the only one that had that system, for some reason.

- Tenchu 2 as a whole isn't as good as the first, but Wrath of Heaven might work for you, fov issues are gone. but if you need fucking radars on your games you should just stick to modern babby games.

being patient works wonders, crouch rolling is very strong in the first game, and you can poison rice your way to victory as long as you manage to grab it back before enemies eat it.

>>8686058
>ignoring everyone in the level while not getting seen
Assassinating goons is half the game's appeal though.

>>8679468
>The inverted tank controls
Tenchu has neither tank controls nor are they inverted. I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to say and can only conclude you're a massive faggot.
>no radar
The ki sensor is your radar. Fucking pay attention to it.
>a small fov
L1 increases your visual range. You can spot enemies before they spot you.
> it was not a fun experience
You'll play Tenchu until you like it you little bitch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSY_SVd865Y

Someone's working on a mod to improve the FoV in Time of Assassins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTJc99_UiMg

>>8686037
No, and I haven't played Tenchu for 20 years. Just that the game has all these little moves that don't seem useful but you can do them anyways.

Is there any use to the 180 jump? I know the roll 180 is useful as a quick turn.

>>8686448
I suppose. roleplaying as an assassin that focuses on being a ghost and only killing his targets is also cool, and it's nice that the game rewards that playstyle, though, because it makes sense.

>>8686659
>>8686448
yes, it is quite hilarious that massacering everything is highly rewarded for gameplay. You have one less guard doing patrols each time. It comes off as needlessly brutal as well.

>>8686058
>you can get GM by ignoring everyone in the level while not getting seen

right which ia what i did on the second and third level

>but if you need fucking radars on your games you should just stick to modern babby games.
i dont i just need gaurds i cant see to not spot me

>>8686470
>Tenchu has neither tank controls nor are they inverted

ok well what would you call the controls then? also when i hit down on the grappling hook it goes up seems inverted to me. And thats not a knock on the game it just was frusterating me personally.


>The ki sensor is your radar
>L1 increases your visual range
right but its not enough theres a gaurd across the river in level 4 that can see me way before i can see him.

>You'll play Tenchu until you like it you little bitch
i do want to like it thats why i made this thread

This is the first game I ever memorized a cheat code for

Debug mode was awesome to play around with

>>8688004
what does it do?

>>8686653
The moonsault is more of a style thing but it can be useful if you're on a roof and there's a guard below you and facing toward you. You could do a forward jump, land behind them back-to-back, then turn around when you're on the ground, but a moonsault will put you in a position ready to slice their throat right away.

>>8688093
A lot of stuff really

Here's a list https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/198911-tenchu-stealth-assassins/faqs/4279

>>8680785
Yes, I played the Japanese version myself for the level editor.

>all you have to do is go to the options menu
and go to the very last option in the lower right hand corner and
when you select the 2nd option, the story mode and training is all
translated to english. there are more languages but they are in the
secrets part.

I'm talking about the "Shinobi Gaisen" version btw.

>>8686728
May or may not spoil things for you but the ranges you get spotted at are consistent. When ki meter hits 40 crouch. At 60 stop and make sure they are not looking your way. Bow users have better eyes so leave more distance for each threshold.

>>8688834
oh i couldnt tell what the numbers were for is it distance the ? enemy is from you?

>>8688165
thats cool anon thanks. Level editors or fans making levels in the engine are really cool.