/vr/ - Retro Games

Confession time.

>have owned cartridge since release in 1994
>played through countless times
>have beaten Spore Spawn and Crocomire without looking at the screen, with my toes.
>Best clear time 1:02
>Never cleared with %100

Love the game to death.

I hate the long fade to black/door transition loading times. Cartridge games aren't supposed to have this shit.

Super Metroid is one of those carts I really want CIB or NIB but I fear I'll never have, alongside Megaman X, X2, and X3.

>>865831
Overclock it, play SM twice as fast, profit.

Actually that would be kinda amazing.

I have trouble trying to explain the joy of Super Metroid to friends. I tell them the better you get at it, the more options open up, to the point of being able to play it as an open-world sandbox game. That it's possible to never take the same route through the game twice if you know what to do and if you're creative. That just about anything is possible if you're skilled enough. But they don't seem to really understand why it's such a joy, and I default back into "it's fun and I like it" after I've tried explaining the whys. Maybe it's just something you have to feel for yourself, I don't know, and that would take a lot of time and replays for someone to "get" it, which most won't have time or patience for.

>>865984
No one from this generation can understand the game. There are 2 ways the game is interesting.

The first is when you play it for the first time and experience being lost at all times. Modern gamers want an HUD that guides them 100% of the time.

The second way to enjoy super metroid is playing it for a high score run (either scoring for time, secrets found, or both). Modern gamers concept of playing for score is almost non-existant. They wont play unless the game fucking has an HUD pop tell them exactly what to do and how to do it.

>>865984
>>866020
I think it has a lot to do with how the game is recommended to people. It's justifiably in the top ten of many "Best of" lists, but rarely (if ever) do people know what kind of experience it is supposed to offer. For instance, what if someone were to pick up Portal when all they knew about it was that its a wildly successful FPS?

>>865984
Or you could just play the original Metroid since it imposes almost no restrictions on you and has a higher floor if you want to play well.

>>866048
i don't take advice from a child molester

>>866020

Yeah, I don't think a game like this would fly in today's gaming. If it was released now, it'd be quite a lot different. I'd imagine there to be cut scenes explaining mechanics, at least 3 cut scenes making it known that items can be hidden in walls, that it's possible to bomb walls and floors, etc, etc..

I started the franchise with Fusion and Zero Mission, thus Super Metroid's shooting and jumping mechanics always feel to clunky for me. A shame, but I cannot help it.

It is the greatest game of all time

Played it for the first time five years back or so on the VC. Loved it as it was exactly like a 2D Metroid Prime, really didn't think it would be as detailed and have as much as it did.

Eventually got to a point where I broke the game and couldn't continue. I fell down a hole, needed power bombs to continue but didn't have them, couldn't get back up and I was stuck. Never went back to it unfortunately.

>y cant metroid crawl

Currently playing it for the first time. Growing up I've always neglected it despite loving the gba entries. It's pretty good although a bit clunky at times. I love all the neat tricks you can use for sequence breaking.

I couldn't agree more with what you guys are saying here. I've spent countless hours replaying this since it came out, and I plan on replaying it again tonight. Some people want to go to the beach or watch fireworks during the 4th of July, I'll be shutting off my phone and grapple beaming my way across an underground lake in norfair.

Boring, over rated. Just like the first

>>866169
Comments like this bug me (nothing against you, anon). I hate how going from games with no physics to a game that has them (or vice versa) suddenly means the game with physics is now regarded as clunky.

>>866462
You thought that Super was a very linear game with only one possible way to go every time and that it had a macguffin hunt near the end for no reason other than padding? Oh, you probably meant in the atmosphere and presentation department. You're right about that.

Also, you didn't break the game. You just sucked too hard to get out of where you got into. If you've still got the game available, I could try and help you get out.

>>866580
>being this much of a rebel

>>867153
>responding to it

>>867137
I agree. I consider one of the things that made Super Metroid so great to play were its controls. I was pretty disappointed in the GBA games where they dumbed it down, but I guess gamers today thing that if it takes a learned skill to play it must be clunky? Once you get good at wall jumping, you can go all kinds of crazy places.

One of the things I loved about the game were all the secret things Samus could do, such as the dropping (or launching!) lots of bombs at once, the combos with the charge beam and one other beam, and of course the recharge shown during the demo. I don't think I ever used any of these very usefully in the game, but they were fun to do.

>>866552

he can

>The first is when you play it for the first time and experience being lost at all times. Modern gamers want an HUD that guides them 100% of the time.

You are never lost in Super Metroid, not even if you're a new player. The game constantly guides you on its set path by locking you out of areas with one-way gates, green and yellow doors, Power Bomb blocks, Screw Attack blocks, Grapple Beam blocks, and Speed Booster blocks.

The game is linear as shit unless you deliberately abuse programming errors, because walljumping alone will only get you so far off the beaten path.

>>868104
Getting real sick of this "Super Metroid is linear without glitches" bullshit.

"Sequence breaking" was obviously intentional in tons of parts of Super Metroid. That’s half the reason for shinesparks and wall jumping. The game flat out shows you how to infinite bomb jump in the demo movie after you've beaten the game once.

For example, there's one room in Maridia where you have to reach a door that's high up, and there are all these balloon-like enemies and grapple beam blocks at the top which you’re supposed to use the grapple beam on to get up there. However, there's also this conveniently-placed straight tunnel at the bottom that's just long enough for you to charge a shinespark (and in fact, serves no other purpose).

>>868267
Congratulations on completely ignoring my post.

Spinesharking and wall jumping will only allow you to sequence break so much before you need to abuse glitches. It is a fact that much of Super Metroid is closed off, the existence of all of those different kinds of blocks and doors I mentioned are proof.

If you seriously think that Super Metroid is non-linear without abusing glitches, I have a bridge to sell you. The game is easy and you are never in danger of getting lost.

If you want an open, non-linear game, play the original Metroid. The only required items for getting around in it are the morph ball, morph bombs, and at least 5 missiles. The game does not lock you out of areas with blocks that require any other power-ups. It actually allows you to go wherever you want and will punish you for not thinking. In Super on the other hand, it's practically impossible to die since the enemies aren't threats.

Sequence breaking is for pussies, because there should be no set sequence and therefore nothing to break. I want another Metroid that's as open and provides as much freedom as the original. One that actually punishes me for mistakes.

But getting lost in Super? A game that provides you with a mini-map and has map stations in every section aside from Tourian? Get the fuck out of here.

>>868479
If you seriously think that Super Metroid is linear without abusing glitches, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

Mostly when people talk about how non-linear Metroid is, it isn't in the boss fights.

You need key items to progress to them.

The non-linearity being that you aren't on one set path through the world. There are many ways to get to the areas and even secret ones that make it faster to get there.

"Which route should I take this time? Should I get Power Bombs to open up that secret passage from A to B? Or maybe I should just use the Speed Booster to take the other route?"

I don't get how some people can’t understand this. Is it, quite literally, autism?

>>868503
Let's take an example though, shall we?

Some possible glitch-less item orders in Super Metroid after obtaining a Super Missile pack:
-Power Bomb, Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit, Ice Beam
-Power Bomb, Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Ice Beam, Gravity Suit
-Power Bomb, Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Ice Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit
-Power Bomb, Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Ice Beam, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit
-Power Bomb, Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Grappling Beam, Wave Beam, Gravity Suit, Ice Beam
-Power Bomb, Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Grappling Beam, Wave Beam, Ice Beam, Gravity Suit
-Power Bomb, Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit, Ice Beam, Wave Beam
-Power Bomb, Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit, Wave Beam, Ice Beam
-Varia Suit, Power Bomb, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit, Ice Beam
-Varia Suit, Power Bomb, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Ice Beam, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Power Bomb, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Ice Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Power Bomb, Speed Booster, Ice Beam, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Power Bomb, Speed Booster, Grappling Beam, Wave Beam, Gravity Suit, Ice Beam

>>868512
-Varia Suit, Power Bomb, Speed Booster, Grappling Beam, Wave Beam, Ice Beam, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Power Bomb, Speed Booster, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit, Ice Beam, Wave Beam
-Varia Suit, Power Bomb, Speed Booster, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit, Wave Beam, Ice Beam
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Power Bomb, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit, Ice Beam
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Power Bomb, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Ice Beam, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Power Bomb, Wave Beam, Ice Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Power Bomb, Ice Beam, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Power Bomb, Grappling Beam, Wave Beam, Gravity Suit, Ice Beam
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Power Bomb, Grappling Beam, Wave Beam, Ice Beam, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Power Bomb, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit, Ice Beam, Wave Beam
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Power Bomb, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit, Wave Beam, Ice Beam
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Power Bomb, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit, Ice Beam
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Power Bomb, Grappling Beam, Ice Beam, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Power Bomb, Ice Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Ice Beam, Power Bomb, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Power Bomb, Gravity Suit, Ice Beam
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Power Bomb, Ice Beam, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Ice Beam, Power Bomb, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Ice Beam, Wave Beam, Power Bomb, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit, Power Bomb, Ice Beam
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Ice Beam, Power Bomb, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Ice Beam, Grappling Beam, Power Bomb, Gravity Suit

>>868516
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Ice Beam, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Power Bomb, Gravity Suit
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit, Ice Beam, Power Bomb
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Ice Beam, Gravity Suit, Power Bomb
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Wave Beam, Ice Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit, Power Bomb
-Varia Suit, Speed Booster, Ice Beam, Wave Beam, Grappling Beam, Gravity Suit, Power Bomb

I may have missed some possible orders. Even more possibilities open up with glitches of course.

Super Metroid is a classic example of a non-linear 2D side-scroller for good reason. To seriously argue otherwise only reveals one's complete ignorance about the game.

>>868520
>I may have missed some possible orders.
You missed a ton of the orders. You can get the gravity suit before the varia suit with no glitches at all. Hell, you can get the screw attack before the varia suit without bugs. All you have to do is learn to love the sprint key.

Not as good as Fusion or Zero Mission and nowhere near Prime, but still a solid entry.

>>866132

>>868503
>Is it, quite literally, autism?
Apparently so, judging from the next three posts.

Never played this, download it and a SNES emulator then I sent for a USB SNES controler... is it really as good as people say?

>>868556
How do you get Screw Attack before Varia without bugs? The only way I know how to is shooting through the green gate through the wrong way.

>>871408
I was about to describe the process and the remembered that the chozo that lowers the acid requires you to get the space jump, which you can't get without bugs unless you have the gravity suit first, although I guess you can get the gravity suit before the varia suit to get the space jump to get the screw attack, which is TECHNICALLY getting it before varia.

>>865794
>Let's discuss this game.
"It was another slow day in /vr/."

>>871393
I guess you're going to find out aren't you

>>867570
This part was pretty cool, wasn't expecting it.

>>865815
>encountering spore spawn
>2013

>>866462
>Eventually got to a point where I broke the game and couldn't continue. I fell down a hole, needed power bombs to continue but didn't have them, couldn't get back up and I was stuck. Never went back to it unfortunately.
Sounds like the place in Norfair after Crocomire.

Your only option is to wall jump upwards, it's really easy once you get the grip of it.

>>874975
>Sounds like the place in Norfair after Crocomire.
That's one of the places in the game designed to give you your first power bombs. There's a room above to the left with them in it that you can simply run and jump up to if you have the Speed Booster (and you'd really have to go out of your way to get to Crocomire without the Speed Booster).

>>875043
Plus you don't need the wall jump to get back up at any point around there.