/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8662496
saturn

>>8662497
extra content? looks better? less bugs?

>>8662501
It's the original while the PSX version has busted ground textures in a lot of areas.
Switch and PC are afaik based on the PSX version. (and adds some horrible filtering ontop)

>>8662501
Looks better by a significant margin. Only extra content is another game

>>8662497
>>8662629
>>8662717
I guess I'll play saturn one

>>8662629
Yeah, the HD remaster promised Saturn visuals. And ended up giving us the same old broken PS1 textures. I'm pretty sure the project of porting over the PS1 script to the Saturn version happened in response to that release promising a proper unfucked release of the game and then still just fucking it up anyway.

>>8662501
Saturn version has shadows, use an emulator and upscale it 2x times, use a nice crt-royal filter and you get a damn nice looking game.

>>8662496
Saturn. There's an English patch for the emulated Saturn version.

>>8662497
This is almost always the answer.

>>8662984
Does it work on real hardware?
Emulation does not and never will matter.

Saturn english patched
https://segaxtreme.net/threads/translating-grandia.24330/

Niko got your prepatched version ready.
Use Yabausa, as retroarch core available too.

The english patched version works great, thanks to an already existing eng font on the japanese saturn version.

they're all the same exact game outside of floor tiles in the first town and whether or not sue's purse changes hands when the sprite flips.
the main problem is that the game is impossible to play if you're over the age of 10.

>>8662987
Yes, even has improvements from the original like 480i map screen and some grammar fixes.

>>8662984
>>8662989
unless this patch has the english voice acting don't bother with this OP, no point playing a game just to have a bunch of unsubtitled lines play you cant understand

>>8663701
leaving out that awful dub is a feature, not a bug

>>8663701
the readme says it has fmv subtitles

>>8663708
>character talks
>I have 0 fucking idea what's being said in this game that's mostly about characters because there's no subs
>>8663713
better then nothing but that's still not 100%

>>8663719
There are subtitles

>>8663708
90s jrpg/horror game dubs are literally the only good dubs because they sound like actual people instead of Voice Actors like they started with the 6th gen

>>8662496
It's the same game.

>>8663719
>spend the entire game reading dialogue
>can’t read FMV subtitles

>>8662496
Saturn

>>8662496
Saturn original.
>>8662978
>upscale it 2x times,
Go to bed, timmy. Saturn emulators that can upres games are completely inaccurate and full of bugs.

One understated flaw of the remaster is that they used mirrored sprites for facing left and right (the original game had asymmetrical character designs, so a left facing sprite was different than a right facing sprite. By just mirroring the sprites, you lose the asymmetry)

>>8662496
The remaster is just the Playstation port with a shitty smoothing filter on top of it.

>>8663701
>>8663719
FMVs are subtitled and all important voiced lines have text to go with them. The only voiced line that doesn't have English text to go with it is a part very early on. However the line is repeated a few seconds later with text to go with it so it's not really a big deal.

Basically the experience text and subtitle wise should be no different from playing the HD Remaster with the Japanese voices enabled.

Use Gentoo.

>>8662812
>I'm pretty sure the project of porting over the PS1 script to the Saturn version happened in response to that release promising a proper unfucked release of the game and then still just fucking it up anyway.

No, the PS1 script port happened over the course of many years. There's even some more projects like it, but for porting the Lunar translation (which is shit, sometimes on purpose to sell guidebooks, and needs a retranslation, but that's another matter)

That said the official porting team contacted a prominent PS1/Saturn translation romhacker and got accidentally ignored (message went into mail spam) which might explain why they originally said that was the original plan (PS1 port, then adjusted to unfuck it and add the missing effects, animation frames, ground textures, etc from the Saturn version)

To the official porting team's credits, they tried, at least with Grandia 2 which uses the DreamCast superior version instead of the easier PS2 version.

>>8662992
Because Sega originally planned on localizing and publishing it on their own, but it happened in the same period when they were releasing only one third of their games (Shining Force III) so they reportedly cancelled it around 40%.
Sony localized it mainly as a middle finger to Sega, same with Beyond the Beyond (an average 2D RPG that's worse than some of Sony's own 2D RPGs passed over, but it was by Camelot who recently burned bridges with Sega)

... I think it would have been in-character for Sony to localize Tear Ring Saga, just because it's a similar situation with Kaga and Nintendo. Famitsu did a whole media circus of Kaga's departure from Nintendo, how his Card Battle will never get more sequels, and even published Tear Ring Saga on their own (through their mother company enterbrain, with direct support from Sony). Only thing preventing that was Nintendo's lawsuit.

>>8662496
I only played the first two games and I prefer the first one over the second. The sequel just seemed like a cheaper version of the first game hitting the similar notes (impasse dividing world into two, adventuring, communal times with party, etc.). I used to say the first game was a great beginner's game for Japanese, as it was written for prepubescents, but others here convinced me that videogames are a poor method of learning Japanese and it is best to do it proper, but I still maintain that the game can at least offer some morale boosting that progress has been made.

>>8662984
>>8662989
>still release candidate
WHEN'S THE FINAL-FINAL PATCH RELEASE.
WHY DO MODERN ROMHACKERS ALWAYS RELEASE INCOMPLETE PATCHES.
UPDATE-MODEL IS THE CANCER OF VIDYAAA

>>8665879
The only thing left at this point is fixing a few typos that were already there in the original Playstation translation.

>>8666091
It's been almost a year. I bet these are gonna come with "improvements" that miss the point of playing it OG.

>>8666212
No, it's really just some minor typos here and there. It's mostly minor oops and wrong grammar that was in the original PS1 translation. Stuff like It's vs Its, and things like pic related.

Being such a large game with lots of text the dev has been seeing what's slowly been reported as multiple people play the game. And all that's been reported over a year has been some typos. So it will really just be fixing those at this point and calling it a day. The dev has made it clear the only thing keeping him from doing a full 1.0.0 release is he doesn't want to release 1.0.0 and then hear there's some crazy bug that was never reported.

>>8666252
looks pretty bad

>>8666968
Apparently Sony didn't do any proofreading when they did the translation back in the 90s.

>>8665879
You know these guys are doing this in their spare time for fun right?

>>8667015
I think the point was that releasing in incremental updates is a zoomer thing that shouldn't be done to boomer games, or something like that

>>8667078
That's kind of dumb. These games are big with tons of text in them. The Devs simply don't have the time to sit there and play these 40+ hour games multiple times over and over again to try and exercise every single scenario and NPC dialogue to see that everything is working and bug free. That's why it was released for beta testing.

>>8667115
>That's why it was released for beta testing.
Then fucking SAY SO instead of advertising it as "English patch out hur."
t. someone who HAS released fan-projects in free time when they're actually fully finished

Answer is always Saturn if there is a version available. Yes that includes sotn, no I will not elaborate.... Okay I will, the hacked Saturn 4mb version is the best version.

>>8667125
The patch does say that and that it's a Release Candidate at this point. All that's left at this point are a few typos that were already there in the English PS1 version. If you don't care about that then the current patch release may as well be considered final.

>>8667078
It's also a no-no these days because I've bought dated repros because of this shit.

>>8667137
>paying actual money for pre-burnt CD-Rs
Well that's your own dumb fault.