/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://www.nexusmods.com/quake/mods/7
https://www.moddb.com/mods/violent-rumble

AD MORTEM
Beta thread
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125461
Current release
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18le6ho89YT_myg8CiUUk2mw1439zPyyJ/view

=== NEWS ===
[02-16] Quake 4 in Quake 2 demake released
https://www.dsogaming.com/mods/quake-4-in-quake-2-demake-is-now-available-for-download/

[02-14] La tailor girl updated to 1.8
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343

[02-12] Co-op arrows mod for Zandronum
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=10520

[02-10] Powerslave Exhumed trailer dropped
https://youtu.be/PzaWiD-tjMI

[02-09] Doom Shinobi releases February 13th
https://youtu.be/6ec6FHhHDII

[02-09] Underdark Overbright (with Copper) added to the Nightdive Quake port
https://twitter.com/Quake/status/1491464634913763331

[02-07] DBP43: Japanese Valentines is out now
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2432/japanese-valentines

[02-01] /vr/ Mondo Project announced
>>8584531

[01-30] John W. Galt has passed away
https://twitter.com/E1M1magazine/status/1487866897551044608

[01-30] ModOhFun! 3.4 - Released
https://darsycho.itch.io/modohfun/devlog/340835/modohfun-34-released

[01-29] Doom Delta version 2.4.0b released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1211719#p1211719

[01-29] GZDoom engine Beyond Sunset demo released
https://metacorp.itch.io/beyond-sunset

[01-28] Powerslave/Exhumed is coming February 10
https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/1486906914017583108

[01-26] Romero's doing a post-mortem for Wolfenstein 3D at GDC
https://www.gdconf.com/news/john-romero-presents-wolfenstein-3d-postmortem-gdc-2022

[01-23] EXODUS for doom released
https://youtu.be/YI6EV7_cv6I

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

Map32 of Ad Mortem. Final fight is difficult. The map's midi destroys eardrums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHJlM0xco_k

I'm still running tests on VRTroopers. If you want to help out, feel free to join and break the server.

>>8635573
>graf add next working enemy
No.

>>8635573
>bad great mod gzdoom
Well, which mod is it talking about then?

>>8635571
heh, yeah, my map was pretty shit

>>8635574
There ya go

>>8635710
It's still up. We may have crashed, but not the server.
So, here's what I learned so far. Samsara vanilla's firestorm has a bug that crashes the server on use. Samsara reincarnation fixes this, however, it's a much more laggier experience overall (And it's also much less refined and far more bloated, but that's beside the point.) This kind of sucks overall.

>>8635707
Don't worry, at least you got some experience. My first map was much worse. I'm sure your next submission will be much better.

>>8635742
yeah
i'd rather be the lowest point of a pretty decent mapset than the highest point of a shitty one

>>8635707
The midi is what drags it down so hard desu. It would've been so much better with something that didn't rape my ears.
Say, have you been working on anything else lately?

>>8635573

>>8635761
>Say, have you been working on anything else lately?
yeah, currently working on a 9-map episode where Doomguy ends up in Japanese Buddhist hell

>>8635573

>>8635820
I had a hunch that was you, heh. Just don't put any earrape toehoe midis in this time around. Best of luck.

is there any way to get rid of the movement inertia in quake 1? I'm sick of constantly running into fucking walls when trying to go fast. Inb4 git gud, I've been playing quake since I was 8 and it's my least favorite aspect of the game.

>>8635820
Have you watched Jigoku?

Regarding 94 Protons Of /vr/, I want to ask you guys your opinions on two things.
(BTW here's the post about compat, if anyone missed it: >>8633931 )

1. I asked you guys about altering some monster sounds, one of the reasons I asked was because I have those assets already for other projects and it would take very little work to add.
Primarily, I'd like to give the Arachno their D64 walking sound, because it's a lot less loud and grating, along with a less obnoxious plasma sound.

I also considered D64 sounds for the Zombie enemies, because those sound cool, however that hurt sound is also shared with the Imp and Boner, so if that's changed they get the Zombie pain sound, which would be kind of awkward, the Fatso also uses the Zombie active sound, so that's something to think about. I have replacements for those already, so it would take no time away from anything else.
D64 style door and lift sounds could maybe also be cool.


2. A zombie with a plasmagun was suggested at one point, and I thought about it a little, but he wouldn't actually add much over other monsters. Instead, what if, for just one custom normal monster, we added a zombie with a rocket launcher?
Hear me out, he has a fairly long windup that'd be telegraphed strongly, he would only drop a single rocket ammo instead of a launcher, he would have a maximum attack range as to not snipe the player from afar, and at really close ranges (probably melee), he would not shoot a rocket but instead fire two pistol shots.

Also toying with the idea of him producing a small backblast when firing a rocket, which doesn't do much damage (the 94mm launcher using a counter charge), but if another monster was behind him, they might get pissed and they'd start fighting him, because that shit hurt. Unsure of how this behavior would be conveyed to the player though.


I'm not married to either of these, so do tell me what you think about them. Rocket zombies I think would have to be used carefully, if added at all.

>>8636010
>Changing arachnotron sounds
unbased
>Changing zombie sounds
no opinion
>Plasma zombie
unbased
>Rocket zombie
based

>>8636010
>rocket zombie with an infight-bait backblast

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/87944-blank-space/

Anybody have tips for pressing both buttons on the last fight of this? I cannot decide who to focus first or what to use my two BFG shots on.

>>8633172
HDest E4M3 Naturist
I'm not as powerful (or tall) as >>8633810 but I sure as hell can ride a zerk high all the way home.
https://youtu.be/lj6xrlvB0_4

>>8636010
Plasma zombie would be a good intermediate harasser.
I think backblast is overcomplicating things. If I position monster behind another, it will be more likely to shoot the monster in front anyway. Backblast is just weird.

I think smaller fragile flier, like those from Heartland might be good to fill a niche.

>>8636124
Based

>>8636010
Add Scythe 2's Evil Marines :^)

>>8636163
Oh god please no.

More tales from the 2p HDest
>Doom 1 over, we Doom 2 now, HMP again
>levels pretty much go skip, skip, skip due to abundant doorbusters
>not refueling base, oh no sir
>stuck getting ventilated again
>armor and supplies dwindle with each respawn
>slow progress just shooting from the starting area, but some asshole zombie ruins it every time because we're both naked
>doesn't help that my friend isn't super advanced yet
>give up for the night
Probably starting from MAP10 with a loadout instead of continuing this, won't try my pal's patience (I could do this all day though). Started appreciating Slayer AKA double barrel AWP in that ordeal, so there's that.
>>8636124
Very cool! Noticed I have some of your videos marked as watched previously, too. Zomfg epic deanon for the win? Who knows. No

>>8636010
You can give rocket zombie a jetpack to make them into fragile, flying heavy hitters.

>>8635820
Is the final map a sea of endless "sand"?

Arch Elementals or Pain Viles?

>>8636247
Cybersouls

>>8636249
Baron of Guys

>>8636234
That's actually not the worst idea I've ever heard, that would make them really versatile. Maybe also make their jetpacks explode midair when they die, so they can't be raised by Archies?

>>8636251
Heavy Weapons Knight

>>8636271
>It costs 4000 gold coins to fire this ballista for 12 minutess

>>8636258
Maybe. Not sure fliers that explode into infinitely tall explosions would be that great though, but if they just disappear with explody animation, that'd work.

>>8636271

>>8636289
Go to bed kegan

>>8636293
no

>>8636241
nah, it's the Sanzu River since it ends with Doomguy getting the hell out (he woke up in hell after having a bit too much sake while vacationing in Japan with his buddy Lo Wang)

how do I turn off NPC buddies speaking in brutal?

>>8636316
>playing brutal doom in the year of our lord and savior 2022
ishygddt

>>8636327
I mostly play it for the recoil

>>8636353
HDest and never look back. Tweak it to be less milsimy if you must.

Here it is, Ad Mortem v4. Probably the most official update you're gonna get. If you are going to play any version I would highly recommend this one. I'm hoping someone can upload this to the doomworld thread and possibly idgames at some point.
Changes include the updates from the last couple threads. I also rebuilt the nodes for map 33 to fix some flat bleeding. The version number is listed in the lower right of the titlepic. Thank you all for your contributions.
Mega:
https://mega.nz/file/erwV0IbC#LE6uNgNAXh8CkxNhZpFxY3cxMWrS6_eaO92ZdotUfho
Mediafire:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ng9rgx5l77wkofs/AD_MORTEMv4.zip/file

>>8636380
Cool, I'll get this for the news post. >>8635562
Just note I'm likely going to remove it to make room for 94 Protons once that starts

Trying to play HDest for the first time and on the page for the bootcamp it says "Remember to load Hideus Destructor before the Bootcamp, it relies on HD stuff!"

...what? What the fuck does that mean? How do I load HDest and then load a .wad? I tried dragging both onto GZDoom.exe but that didn't work, so I assume that's not what they meant, and when I'm running HDest I don't see anything in the menu as far as loading anything else from within the GZDoom client.

>>8636412
Oh you certified sweetie, download ZDL and never worry about this again.

>>8636412
>I tried dragging both onto GZDoom.exe but that didn't work
The order you click WADs determines the load order, first to last. So you want to click HDest first and then the bootcamp wad before dragging them onto GZDoom.

>>8636412
Use a frontend like ZDL or Doom Runner, there is a way to load things in a specific order with drag-and-drop, but you're much better off not loading mods like a caveman.

>>8636418
>>8636420
Ok thanks, guess I'll finally download ZDL

>>8636419
I just tried that and it still didn't work, but it shouldn't be a problem cause I'll just go get a loader

>>8636115
I can give some advice that'll make it really easy but you may not like it. The last fight of this map is incredibly cheesable. Just hit both switches at once, grab a soulsphere and the bfg then drop down and tank the damage of the hurt floor and pick off all the flying enemies. Once you start to run out of health just teleport back up, grab more health and repeat. If you don't want to cheese it I'd still recommend hitting both switches at once. Also you can get softlocked if you accidentally don't pick up both keys. Otherwise fun map.

>>8633387
What the other guy said, Quake is only halfway there. But I did enjoy it and Arcane Dimensions. Could play Copper and addons, I guess. I'm pretty sure I got a ready-to-play package with vanilla, AD and Copper bats from here, can anyone help me out?
>>8634767
I'll try to remember that for next playthroughs, didn't really use them aside from knocking cheetahmen into lava.

>>8635863
learn how to redirect your momentum with air strafing and you'll enjoy it.

>>8636453
I actually started to figure out a non-cheese strat, but I was definitely banging my head against the wall for a while. I press the switches, kill the chaingunners, and use the teleporter to circle back to cover from the affrits. Once I'm in cover I rotate back to the spider demons and use them as cover from the deathballs that are following me cause spiders are fucking fat and made easily docile with chaingun fire. Rinse and repeat while picking off the flying enemies. I don't wanna rely on jumping off for the single segment cause I find there's a chance I teleport into the middle of a horde and get melted, but I end up falling off a bunch anyway.

>>8636380
Good job anon!

>custom enemy - basically a cyberdemon with a hitscan railgun that deals 999999 damage on direct hits and has a tiny bit of splash damage/weak tracers, but it heavily choreographs its attacks and fires slowly
>always fires at you and doesn't attract aggro
>placed in a coverless arena with a bunch of pinkies and lost souls that you're inclined to keep alive to use as meatshields long enough for a teleporter that telefrags the sniperdemon to open
>constantly have to decide "is killing this enemy going to help me live or end up killing me"
>maybe have to divert the big guy's attention to a smaller group of enemies so he doesn't kill as much of your cover at once
any wad ever done something like this

>>8634785
I'll see if I can frankensprogs it, thanks

>>8635573
>muh reload

>>8635573
I feel you

>>8636234
>>8636258
>that would make them really versatile
I disagree, I imagine a flying rocket zombie would make most encounters more monotonous or messy. They'd be scary and require you to focus on them, so you just kill them and then go back to the rest. Infighting wouldn't be much use since they die instantly. It sounds more like a time waster than a niche that could be used to influence available strategies for the player. At least if limited by the ground their placement would matter.

>>8635573

>see Nash saying GZDoom runs at 60 frames on his integrated GPU laptop
>try it on my own laptop since I get frame dips with DSDA
>it's actually better
how.

>>8636728
A couple of last updates had performance fixes.

>>8635561
Asking again for help
I want to edit the Pain Elemental with WhackEd4 to do the following
>be stationary
>spawn lost souls without changing it's facing direction
Any way to do this? I do not want to use ZDoom

>>8636728
I wonder what happens on my pc. I can only play smoothly with prboom+. With anything else (chocolate, crispy, gzdoom, lzdoom) I get quite a few frame drops depending on the map. i5-6600 cpu/r9 270 gpu

>>8636728
Contrary to the FUD, GZDoom is actually pretty well optimized for what it is. You just need hardware that's new enough to have OpenGL 4/Vulkan support. It's a feature requirement, not a performance one.

>>8636728
LzDoom was basically rolled into GzDoom and it added some stuff for better performance with weak machines, such as GLES. The Vulkan renderer also gives improved performance over OpenGL with SOME hardware.

Here comes the Baron/Hell Knight replacement

>>8636842
Doesnt look like a door

>>8636749
Turrets are definitely been done in dehacked. For rotation, I dunno.

>>8636728
GZDoom works fine for me until there's any weather effects. The snow maps in Eviternity were unplayable so I switched to DSDA.

Another thing, is there an easy way to disable all transparency/dynamic lighting for actors if the WAD is played in ZDoom. I replaced the Lost Souls and I don't want them to be see-through

>>8636676
You may be right. I still think Doom needs more fliers. So maybe jetpack zombies with plasmagun is the answer?

Can someone dump Civvie's Chasm video from Patreon?

>>8637190
Just use KemonoParty like a normal person.

>>8637190
Nightdive must not be writing him checks anymore.

>>8637209
I would, but it's not there right now. Last post that was dumped there was for Manhattan Project.
https://kemono.party/patreon/user/11872578
>>8637210
You mean Dave Oshry*?

>>8637219
No, I was talking about Powerslave.

>>8637234
Yeah, I got what you meant. Just initally read your post wrong like a complete retard.

>>8637240
That's okay. Just don't forget your cyanide capsule on the way out.

>>8637243
I thought you were supposed to take it on the way in.

>>8637001
people who play in zdoom ports will have to turn lost soul translucency off, or you could make a separate zdoom port patch that sets render styles and other graphical things off

>>8635561
anyone know where in SLADE i can find the file to edit ammo max capacity for the brutal doom + 2016 weapons add-on? 3 bfg shots max is lame.

>>8637269
disregard me, i figured it out, just had to start a new game, for some reason the changes i made to ammo file wont apply to saved games. who knew?

Arachnotron replacement

>>8636842
What will he throw?

>>8637303
Will he sit on top of a technical?

>>8637234
It came out like 3 days ago, he'd have to be pretty speedy to get a video out already.

>>8637307
Much faster/more powerful shots than a normal spider
>>8637310
huh

Monster idea: Former cowboy
Midway between shotgunner and chaingunner, shoots 6 accurate shots in rapid succession and then pauses.

>>8637319
>huh
I mean, how will he move? Arachnotrons are not immobile

>>8637337
He will be immobile

>>8636749
It seems like the pain elemental attack itself forces the caller to face its target so you can't do that without mbf21/decorate at least. As for being stationary, just set it's speed to 0.

>>8637325
Can also throw sticks of TNT

Why civvie not his own game?

bros... why is it so hard... why would romero do this...........

>>8637384
to make you his bitch

>>8637374
He reviews vidya games, but that doesn't mean he has the talent or resources to make his own. It's the same reason why your english teacher analyzes literature but can't write any famous books.

>>8637398
Especially when it comes to video games since theres a disconnect that comes with coding and stuff. I could tell you the differences between a good feeling shotgun and a bad feeling shotgun but I got no clue how to actually make one either way.

>>8637374
Why?

>>8637384
to show he had the skill left in him to batter veterans,even with no DOOM 2 monsters.

Is there a wad for the 3DO soundtrack for Doom? Starting another playthrough of Doom the Way Id Did and I thought I could give it an extra twist.

Thinking of just palette swapping for the zombie replacements

>>8637190
Okay, he actually released it today. Will watch it tomorrow probably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5baDD6lydh8
>>8637398
>doesn't mean he has the talent or resources to make his own
>Thought about making a YouTube channel.
>My hardware is shit + that's too much hassle either way.
>Settled for shitty blog with no readers, but "it was more of a hobby for myself anyway".
True.

>>8637530

>>8637569
>"why is he using strange aeons music for the intro? weird flex but okay"
>*the rest of the video* "wait a minute"

>"oh"

>>8637631
With doom mods, you should assume most things in them like music, sprites, textures, whatever are lifted from other games

Recently dsda-doom has been adding support for the doom in hexen format which allows for, among other things, polyobjects. Unfortunately relevant wad lumps are not supported yet which kind of limits what you can do with them. You can sort of replace acs scripting with voodoo scripting, but they're still always silent due to the lack of sndseq. There are also some discrepancies with how gzdoom treats them that would further limit their use here. Enemy line of sight checks and archvile attacks pass through them for instance and sliding doors in particular can be permanently stuck slightly open if the player blocks them as soon as they start to close. They are also prone to rendering problems even when using a "polyobject aware" nodebuilder. I'm not sure if this will be adjusted since it may be accurate to how hexen originally handled them and dsda's meant to be an accurate port.
Here's a tiny map I made while experimenting with the features. Dsda-doom Version 24.0 and up complevel21 (the only one that supoprts Doom in Hexen)
https://files.catbox.moe/q6lz48.wad

>>8637696
whack

>>8637374
His environments used to be done in GZDoom, but iirc they're now all moved over to UE4.
He's shown that knows what he's doing technically when it comes to mapping, but no idea if he's made anything fun.

>>8637696
Awesome

>>8599916
What is the text in pic related from?

>>8637745
the original meme is about not taking the vaccine

>>8637696
Does this also support MBF21 stuff and demos?

I put up another stress test server, name is Ma/vr/icks if you want to keep breaking my shit.

I've been receiving complaints from some anons not being able to join the Friday or Sunday games due to time, so how about I establish another event on a different day?

Made a lot of progress today, pretty soon I want to ask the people of this thread to help with mapping/texture work and make this a community effort.

>>8637826
oops, forgot the POS's

>>8637765
The hexen map format only works with dsda-doom on the mbf21 complevel, no other complevel will accept it. It falls into a grey area in terms of what compat it actually is however because the official specs of mbf 21 don't extend to this format and other mbf21 ports like woof will not run it. You can only record a demo with the -baddemo parameter since the format is experimental. Once it's actually done we might get a specific "doom in hexen" complevel, but it's definently not there yet since for the reasons I listed. New mbf map format stuff obviously won't work since the map data is different but it seems that new dehacked stuff does still work, although doombuilder throws ups some errors trying to load it.

>>8637826
Ehhh, with all together in direct comparison I think the human enemies, except the dynamite dude, look pretty flat. You should add some shading.
Also, good luck with making this a community effort lol

Kegan, what the fuck is the Tech Monk's secret move supposed to be? I'm fucking snort laughing over here.

Map16 of Ad Mortem. Very cramped, very difficult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CHczlwygWA

What's the best/recommended SC-55 soundfont?

>>8638031
>I feel like I have played maps by this author before
2048, MAP24

>>8637384
Just play on a difficulty level you can actually handle, you moaning bitch, Romero making those levels actually twist your sack on UV is part of what makes it good.

>>8638046
Ah, I wasn't wrong then. I can see the resemblance now.

>>8638004
Raiden's electric dive. Funniest goddamn move in fighting games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mngTCbp5zqE

So MA Put is pretty cool

>>8637648
Usually, but sometimes people put in a lot of elbowgrease into a project, or at least part of it, so an episode of maps may be overall typical and common stuff, one of the couple dozen talented musicians in the community made an all original score for the .wad (which will certainly be used again in the future for other works, but still).

>>8638062
Little development insight from a friend: The map is essentially a spiritual sequel to the author's spooktober submission, Uncle Reggie's Basement, which was also a secret level. The idea of the map was being set in a dilapidated shithole with a meth lab at the bottom, hence the name candy factory. The ending was intended to be confronting the titular Uncle Reggie, represented by a commander keen (despite the fact there is a keen replacement in the wad made for the map) who used a demonic ritual to send doomguy to hell in a last ditch effort.
The guy's barely online, he's on for like 3 hours a week tops so the map didn't get much polish, but he was insistent on getting it into the set. On one hand I feel bad for the guy, but at the same time, it was kind of doomed from the start if he's offline so damn much. It would've been wiser to cut his losses imo.

>>8638071
Incredible. I also like the flute for Past-Linked. I'm looking forward to seeing if I can use that to cheese my way out of a trap or a death exit.

>>8638071
Not that anon, but what's this supposed to be? Retirement grease?

>>8638172
It's a callback to my old 64kb Blastmaster Mk 1 mod I made back in like, 2017.

>>8638176
>Blastmaster was originally a 64kb mod
Ah, that makes sense, was the modular rifle a bunch of TEXTURES fuckery?

>>8635573
>post piss man
dare you enter my magical realm?

>>8637530
Which country will this take place in, mostly? Iraq? Turkey? Iran? Saudi Arabia? Kuwait? Syria?

>>8638037
I use this one
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/118828-updates-in-progress-the-most-accurate-sc-55-soundfont/
It's pretty good for the most part, but the Echo Drops sounds particularly awful in it so I recommend replacing it with the one from another soundfont

>>8638185
It was a big chunky cannon. So the Blastmaster Mk 2 was an improvement in every way. Really I consider this mod a failure in some ways but I learned a lot about working with TEXTURES and making shit work.

That angry rattling clip pickup is still funny

>>8638165
Neat. I always liked such development insights.

Expansion packs are typically meant to be harder than the base game, right?
Why is every Serious Sam expansion easier?

>>8637384
Play on medium mode instead of hard.

>>8637394
>>8637442
>>8638053
>>8638319
why did 4 people respond earnestly to my shitpost wtf

>>8638324
Sometimes the best way to counteract a shitpost is with an genuine answer. It caught you off guard.

With enough effort, you could fully complete Doom Shinobi for Strife and turn it into a third-person ARPG, but melee.

>>8638176
>>8638251
ah, the good old days
good times, good times

>>8638393
I was wrong, by the way. It was 2016.
GMOTA turned 8 years old back last month.

>>8638393
Anybody remember /v/oblige? That was fun.

>>8638251
Apologies in advance, but like every TEXTURES heavy mod, I had to see what a clusterfuck it was in Freedoom.

>>8638324
BTFO with kindness

>>8638431
Beautiful.

>GMOTA? More like GMOTA pile of shit! Does it even come with a signed box copy with an alternative soundtrack by Buckethead for the low price of $6.66? Didn't think so dweeb, now lick my knob or fuck off!

>>8638431
built to waste the eldritch abomination in the OP

>>8638251
It had some neat features even if it was slow as balls to get through maps with.

>>8638459
ITS TIME TO FUCKING STOP!

>>8638459
I don't get it. Rekkr at least had name puns. What's the joke here.

>>8638459
I would genuinely challenge Romero to a sword fight if he shittalked my work.

>>8638513
Watch out, he might pull the Daikatana.

I've never heard of Chasm before today but now I really want to play it. Anyone know where I can find the package civvie was talking about?

>>8638573
Found it.
https://www.moddb.com/games/chasm-the-rift/downloads/chasm-portable

>>8638582
Thanks homie, and thank you to David Szymanski for going to all the work of setting it up.

>>8638459
>Coke Zero
>Carmack is known to drink Diet Coke
So this is the reason he got fired...

>>8638582
HUDface is kinda looking like Ranger.

Chasmchads....I kneel...

The fire rate on those shotguns is too high.

What's the best way to play blood? I heard Fresh Supply has some issues.

>>8638738
The issues aren't that bad now, but it's not perfect. Blood GDX or nBlood are best. I guess Raze isn't bad either? never used it.

>>8638738
>>8638745
Seconding that GDX is the best but really it's fine either way.

>>8638752
Yeah. From what it sounds like, you can't really go wrong these days. Even Fresh Supply is fine, you probably won't notice anything unless you're a die hard fan... Which if you're playing for the first time you can't be.

how do i build panzerchasm (for linux)?
id use the DOSbox version but it fucken sucks and panzer doesn't save with wine for some reason.

>>8638738
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1010750/discussions/0/1644292444647662838/
Here's a list of certain differences

>>8638757
The thing is that Fresh Supply will never get any better, whereas nblood, buildGDX, and Raze continue to be updated.

>>8638745
>>8638752
What are the differences between the ports that make one more preferable than another?

>>8638985
The advantage of BloodGDX is that it's closer to the actual game Blood in a few subtle ways, but all the differences that significantly change gameplay have been fixed. That, and it will continue to run on computers for 2587652 years because it's in permanent development. If you don't care about either of those, and frankly most people shouldn't care about either, then Fresh Supply is slightly easier to just download and run.

Also I found this post from a guy at Nightdive while looking into the Blood source ports. Does this mean Fresh Supply might actually get fixed someday or am I just huffing copium

If you're a fan of Killer5's mapping style (particularly EH or ZB), I could use feedback on this map.
I know, I literally just asked for help on another map two threads ago, I don't want to be an attentionfag (well, sort of, forgive my fagginess), but /vr/ anons are generally the most helpful at offering criticism and I'm nearing completion of this wad
If you want help finding the secret exit, the red skull key can be found by
dropping off the platform of the very first fight onto a skinny ledge a la Dimensions 03
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Xv93bq9iKeyjFA3yDmZ-HaSsoaukOxo5/view?usp=sharing
BOOM, MAP 07
captcha:NGG4S

>>8635562
Samsara Reincarnation, a complete refactor of both original Samsara and the "Extra Heroes" mod into something decently balanced, just had a 1.0 release.

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=74652

New features include 43 different player characters (such as seperating the Hexen classes apart and adding characters like Lo Wang) and a monster mixer that will adapt and spawn monsters based on which characters are being played (so Chex guy will summon Flemoids and such.)

I was on their Discord quite a bit while it was in alpha but since it had a full release I thought I'd mention it here for your news. Made me nostalgic for these threads in their heyday.

>>8639158
Hooo boy, it's classic rivalry all over again.

>>8639158
The Hacker when?????????????

>>8639012
Considering all the other things they're up to, if it does happen I guess it will take a while. Either way you already have NBlood and GDX which are still getting worked on.

>>8637384
>sigil
>hard
This propably your first pwad, amirite? Don't try blind saveless runs yet. Practice before trying to be a speedrunner. I would also usually recommend to lower the difficulty, but Sigil's UV isn't that bad. Actually first 2 maps of episode 4 are harder.

>>8639158
Oh fuck

>>8639158
I miss old mashup Parias, but Baratus has some nice meaty weapons, and Shepard is a great addition, I love all of OF's weapons.

>>8639158
Literally unplayable

>>8639258
What, you don't balance spare shells on your glasses?

>>8639195
>Sigil's UV isn't that bad. Actually first 2 maps of episode 4 are harder.
Uh, what? First 2 maps of episode 4 are easy AF compared to beating all of Sigil on UV.

>>8639310
You're stupid. I can barely manage the first two stages of episode 4 on UV, but I only started having trouble in Sigil around the last map or so

>>8639158
>decently balanced
Grondoval is completely busted. And a LOT of characters have rocket launchers with no self damage.

Also the help screen kinda sucks because of the slow text crawl and how the weapons don't give actual stats like how the original help screens of Samsara did, so you get shit like "This gun does lots of damage!" Which doesn't help. I'm also not keen on the addition of the weird summons some characters get, like Leonard can summon Bubba to whack with his crowbar and instantly end the level.

>>8636098
M*A*S*H megawad when?

>>8636212
Continued HDest 2man adventures
>fresh loadouts help finally clear Refueling Base
>ride the invul, pop the ghost squad on the cybie, scramble for the exit, get lost
>die by the blue key niche
>friend carefully makes his way to me with my instructions
>cybie is executed by ghost squad so all is fine
""""O"""" of Destruction of Death of Circle
>after a few scrambles manage to get a foothold
>oh yeah this has a cybie in co-op
>end up circumventing most of the map, ride the invul to the end
>it runs out AGAIN and I once again forget that even with cruise control for cool you still have to steer
>friend has to bust me out of invul hubris prison AGAIN
>wait for him to clear the way in one of the exit towers because I lost my shotty in a roll and all I got is a bronto and a half-loaded revolver
>after all is clear teach him to roll as well because why not
Factory
>find out what arachnotrons do (are they krangs or are spider masterminds? I forget)
>speaking of spider mastermind, there is one in co-op
>talks to the bronto, leaves promptly
>navigate to the final door, bust another ghost talisman, easy win
Downtown
>there is a cyberdemon in this map in co-op
To be continued...
Co-op spy is fun because I get to see how my buddy is carrying 18 mags of 4mm split between pockets and backpack. No, I couldn't persuade him to let go of enough of them.

>>8639321
>like Leonard can summon Bubba to whack with his crowbar and instantly end the level.
That's fucking hilarious. I'd actually be fine with this if it looked for a secret sector to place him in and had a serverside cvar to disable it without outright banning Leonard.

>>8639338
>18 mags of 4mm split between pockets and backpack.
Nothing wrong with that if he's rocking a Vulcanette, they're all virgin mags, and 10 or more of them are backpacked, 4.26 mags are pretty light.

>>8639358
That's the thing, all he ever uses is ZM and Liberator.

>>8639362
Ouch, maybe some addon weapons down the line could help as a gateway to better taste.
Is he a brass goblin?

>>8639369
Is he a what? I don't think he knows how to recast stuff yet.

>>8639373
Hopefully he moves on to other weapons before he finds out, that's a deep dark hole to fall into, and can really bog down sessions if left unchecked.

>>8639375
I assume you mean someone who hoards brass and spends years looking at the reloader and the liberator going brrr on the floor?

>>8639318
That's honestly weird. I wanna make fun of you on you for being bad but it sounds like you're simultaneously worse than me AND better than me. I guess if I was playing E4M1 blind I would have trouble specifically at the red key area, but I don't think anyone has played that level blind for like 20 years now.

Sigil meanwhile has a cyberdemon on like the 3rd level if I'm remembering right, and he's in a position that's hell to shoot at and you barely have enough ammo for him. I have to like plan for that part by infighting and punching the previous two levels just so I have enough ammo to complete the level. I haven't even bothered to complete sigil cause I got bored but it didn't seem like it was gonna get any easier after that.

Compare that to E4M2 which also has a cyberdemon, but you can instantly telefrag him and use the BFG and the ludicrous amount of free cell they give you to fry the like 6 cacodemons that pop out. All while pumped up on blue armor and a soul sphere.

Yeah the only way I could imagine anyone thinking E4M1 or E4M2 are hard is if they are a first time player going in blind, but a first time player would also think all kinds of other stuff is hard so that's not a good metric.

>>8637384
I found it more annoying than hard. Defiinitely not a fan.
I wonder if you can beat it with HDest

>>8639381
Yeah, for most of us, it's just a phase.

>>8639389
I remember when I was a brass goblin. I stopped after I got blasted by grenades from my squad due to lagging behind from the sheer weight of all the 7mil ammo I was hoarding. After the mortar incident I eventually moved back to the Thunderbuster.

Thunderbuster good.

>>8639393
Thunderbuster and brass have a funny interaction.

>>8639386
In gaming there is good difficulty and there is bad difficulty. Good difficulty requires you to use skill and cunning, and bad difficulty requires you to use patience and luck. Sigil is a little closer to the second as far as popular doom wads go.

>>8639393
There was a Hell Knight.

>>8639396
Oh yes, I've seen it firsthand. I think you could theoretically lay down some casings and zap them to make a trap of some kind but really just blitzkreiging the area with the Thunderbuster alone is enough.

and thanks to the Peppergrinder addon I have a backup weapon that's well suited for shooting fuckers when the Thunderbuster would either be overkill or too dangerous to use. The Oddball SMG.
Except now instead of being a brass goblin I have a bad habit of compulsively cranking it in front of my squad.

>>8639405
:(

In HDest, I used to wonder why you'd need stimpacks when blue pots exist, but after some time with the game I learned the reasons for both.
What I don't know anymore is what the point of the soulsphere is.
What does the megasphere do?

>>8639430
Soulspheres are like 8 full bottles of blue potions. and Megaspheres are that + spiritual armor

>>8639435
I knew that the soulsphere did, I'm just wondering why you would dump so much blue in your system. Maybe if you enjoy the incap state?

>>8639439
It's a good way to treat a lot of burns and purge aggravated damage out of your system. Plus the extra strength for carrying shit is nice.
But the more experienced players I know of usually skip the spheres and opt for a sip of blues every so often and that's it.

>>8639449
I suppose I'm an experienced player now because that's what I do.

>>8639439
Blues no longer conflict with stims, so you can stim yourself back up from most incaps. Or zerk.

>>8639397
good difficulty
>enemies deal lots of damage, and react/attack quickly
>but they're somewhat predictable and you also deal lots of damage
>several enemy types, each with their own method of engagement, which either compliment each other, or when separate serve to change up the pace
>quick reactions on your part are required to not eat shit
bad difficulty
>random enemy damage
>random player damage
>random enemy behaviors
>precognition of the map's layout and secrets are required in order to not eat shit
in short, doom is a terrible game without fastmonsters and maxed damage rolls enabled

>>8639456
Wait, what? Since when?
Is there a reason NOT to buttchug blues at every opportunity then?

>>8639460
Since the drug rework I'm pretty sure, blues naturally wash out of your system faster now, though. So holding on to a potion is nice in case you need to heal burns or aggro, much less reason to turn down a soulsphere, however.

>>8639457
post god machine speedrun

>>8639456
>>8639460
They do still conflict, just not in such an absolute manner. Normally, a stim lasts around five minutes, but if you have blues it'll only last around 1:15, and it'll consume 80 blues in the process.

I have tried getting into the build engine games before but I keep going back to doom. Thought I would give it another chance today. Plan to start with blood cause its the more praised one. How can I go into it with a more open-minded view?

>>8639553
The Build engine is a fucking bizarre engine that feels like it's held together with duct tape in chewing gum, death comes swiftly in almost every Build game due to dangerous enemies or map geometry fucking destroying you. If anything moves in a map, be wary around it. Map setpieces have a tendency of blowing up multiple times, so watch out for that.

And some stuff to note about Blood:
It has a different combat flow for one thing, and instead of using hitscan guns as your primary weapon you'll often be hucking dynamite at dudes. Learn to love the dynamite, master it and it will carry you far.
The Tommy gun's altfire does more damage along with spraying bullets in a wide fan. Shooting Cultists with the Tommy gun will often make them look like they're walking in place, it doesn't look like it but you're stunlocking them when you're doing this.
Make sure to crouch and jump a lot when dealing with Cultists, or better yet, just huck dynamite into rooms you haven't entered as precaution, and then laugh when you watch one of the poor bastards get blown up.

Don't ever let Cultists get in the water. Trust me.

>>8639553
don't play blood on anything less than well done or it's too easy. if your sourceport allows it, maximize every difficulty setting except enemy health, which you ought to leave at the penultimate setting since 'extra crispy' makes things too tanky.
blood is a borderline tactical shooter and you should treat it as thus. don't listen to anyone else, and don't reply to me if you have a contrary take.

also why does this guy keep baiting out blood discussion in every thread pretending he's new

>>8639347
Going through the DECORATE and ACS (and desperately trying to understand) It seems like Bubba only spawns if a Strife player uses the reinforcements ability and Bubba gets selected to spawn?

>>8639321
>Grondoval is completely busted.
I don't see it. He deals a lot of damage but his swings are slow as balls, his weapons require too much accuracy, and without armor he can't take a hit without melting into a fleshy pile.

He can steamroll, but that steamroller takes forever to start rolling.

>>8639596
Really all you need is the big electrified axe, and then afterwards get the two handed sword, and the only way you'd get killed at that point is if you're totally careless and get swarmed, and unlike Corvus or Parias, he can carry 9 health potions and keep all of them between stages, that's a lot of health on top of his 250 spawn health.
Also his ice halberd doesn't seem to properly change sprites when switching between modes, so that's a pain in the ass.

>>8639158
>no serious sam
it's garbage

>>8637384
its hard cause you cant even see anything in some levels

>>8639553
Start it on Lightly Broiled for the first episode. Bump it to Well Done for the second. If the jump is too hard, consider using the GDX or (iffy) Fresh Supply port for custom difficulty options to bridge the gap.

>>8638842
Panzerchasm softlocked me near the end of the game, I wouldnt use it

>>8639691
id rather deal with that and have to carefully save in a way to avoid losing as much progress as possible than 85fov (im used to 120-150,with anything below 110 being really bad and anything below 90 being unplayable),really bad resolution and constant dosbox framedrops.
though playing it through wine did not let me save,it was an excellent actual play experience.

>>8638923
Yeah, but I'd you like the game nothing prevents you from jumping to another port. If you just want to download it and have it conveniently in your steam library or whatever.... Blah blah blah.
What's controller support like in fresh supply or gdx? I've been streaming games to my couch recently. Blood might be the worst game to do that with, but I'm just curious if fresh supply has anything over the other ports in terms of functionality.

What archive is Chasm in? I can't find it, is there a link to the version Civvie used with all the fan patches?

>>8640010
theres steam input for blood.so controller support is top notch on steam,though id recommend gyro aiming for the increased accuracy for aiming.
also well done will feel like a first playthrough again,so lightly broiled may be better for that.

>>8640113
nvm, it's on moddb under the name "Chasm Portable"

Mancubus replacement

>>8640010
>Blood might be the worst game to do that with
All the build games have very mobile and fast characters, so they translate pretty poorly to controllers. You might want to consider enabling aim assist but then you’re sacrificing lots of control over dynamite tosses.

>>8640154
it should be fine with gyro aim,if the controller supports it,trying it in BLOOD and in lightly broiled,it was doing great,though well-done was quite hard,but the first levels of blood are some of the most brutal due to lack of weapons.

>>8640161
>it should be fine with gyro aim
It’ll be better. Ultimately, just like going “keyboard only”, unlimited quicksaves and the “take your time” approach of singleplayer will be his best friends here.

>>8640145

>>8640179
>>8640145
Very nice

>>8639573
Played the first map. The trajectory of the dynamite definetly takes some time getting used to, it is quite satisfying though when you land a good throw.
>>8639662
I'm fresh starting each level so I guess I will keep it on for now. Thanks for the tip bout GDX.

>>8640203
>Thanks for the tip bout GDX.
Ya. It’s my preferred port until Chicken updates the Raze sourceport with its difficulty customization.

>>8639587
i have a contrary take

>>8640173
comparing gyro aim to keyboard is pretty silly,gyro is far closer to mouse than any other aiming system.

>>8640220
I can aim better with gyro than mouse

Who's this ESL who's overusing commas to compensate for his gyro aim shilling?

>>8640220
The point is both ‘controller with gyro’ and ‘keyboard only’ are both subpar to playing with a mouse and keyboard. Keyboard control was brought up because its possible with saving and taking your time, much like any other less-than-ideal input.

>>8640179

>>8640235
I like controller with gyro more than any other input method

>>8640253
cool, i enjoy keyboard only more than anything else, fun and classy

why is duke nukem so lenient with health pickups
i'm pretty sure you can intentionally get hit by every non-environmental damage source at least once and still come out alright, at least up to a certain point

>>8640279
unironically based and Catacomb 3-D-pilled

>>8640207
I wonder how much input Graf actually had in Raze?

>>8638745
>>8638752
>>8638901
I got GDX working.
Holy fuck this is hard.

Progress so far
https://streamable.com/si822j

>>8640235
its a pretty small difference in comparison,its more like a relatively small adjustment period,then its mostly the same.
but i get what you mean.

Sandychads vindicated.

With all this controller talk, I got curious: what FPS you think do work with gamepad? Besides console titles, of course. I feel like Wolfenstein 3D would seem fine.

Should I look into getting Xbox 360 gamepad for PC as third world country pooranon?

>>8640665
>what FPS you think do work with gamepad?
Any of them post 2006. That’s when they really started to design encounters around them.
You could even start with Doom 3.

>>8640665
depends on the controller,cause my recommendation on a controller being close to keyboard and mouse is reliant on the controller having a gyroscope inside it for aiming (so no joystick aiming,just for casual turns).
with gyro,any shooter should be fine with some practice (even stuff like quake),with no gyro,then most modern-style shooters tend to be designed around them,and shooters with exploitable autoaim/aim assist (if you don't mind the shame of using it).
>Should I look into getting Xbox 360 gamepad for PC as third world country pooranon?
it can be fine for non-shooters,but if you intend to play shooters,getting a controller with a gyroscope would be alot better (like a dualshock4 or switch controller)

>>8640539
Heavy weps replacement

>>8640665
Most of them are fine, since you can use steaminput to get working well. Games like quake or unreal (games from the era between doom-esque autoaim and consolized games) might be tricky, but not insurmountable.

>>8640665
As someone who STRONGLY prefers kb+m and feels like cripple with a pad, Doom worked fine for me on a controller. I think if game doesn't require looking up/down then it's good to go.

>>8640687
How about Quake 1 and Quake 2's Respective Console ports? How about Half-Life 1's PS2 port?

>>8640763
I can’t speak for HL2 on PS2 but Q1 and 2’s console ports have some chunky framerate above all else. Perfectly playable for the novelty but the PC versions with controller support would be better. For Quake 1 there’s even that 64 addon but you have to go through Bethshit.

>>8640665
Wolf 3D is pretty good, Doom engine games also play mostly well since you have vertical autoaim helping you out. Duke is slower than the other Build games and you can use vertical autoaim too, so it's also a decent choice.

>>8640730
So what are you using to code this up? Dec/ACS for zandy or ZScript?

>>8640665
Doom is comfy on a gamepad but it can kinda feel like a bottleneck on some PWADs for the same reason that KB only would. MAP28 in Scythe comes to mind as one that wouldn't work well even though it's a gimmick map.

>>8640953
No coding needed, I'm just replacing assets/using DEH

>>8640973
Finding some of the secrets in Sigil was a total pain with a controller.

>>8640423
That's what's fun about it, try to be creative with how you use your weapons in different situations.

>>8640665
I've been playing older games with a gamepad for many years as I've always been a laptop gamer.

Doom works good and Gzdoom actually has a "quick 180 turn" move you can map to any button which I found helpful. Weapon selection can be a bit clunky though.

Most source ports for classic FPS have good controller mapping options. Old games without source ports not so much. Half Life Source (if you can stand to play it instead of the original) has native 360 controller support.

>>8640604
Is this from the AMA?

>>8641015
Weapon selection in GZDoom probably isn't that bad, because you could easily write up a quick mod to layer the weapon binds. Then just switch using the d-pad.

SS1 - dude just run backwards
SS2 - dude just run backwards and spam grenades
SS3 - dude just run backwards and take cover sometimes
SS4 - dude just run forwards

>>8641020
I liked Sam 2's grenades, but it would have been nice if there was more context to them.

>>8641017
Smarter than what I came up with. I just assigned my favourites to the D pad and then next/PREV weapon to the bumpers.

>>8641030
It's what the Xbox port of Doom 2 did.
Shotguns were on Up
Chaingun and Pistol on Right
Rocket and Melee on Down.
Plasma and BFG on Left.
The Unity port kind of has a layout like that, but it doesn't double up any of the slots so you have to manually scroll to the BFG and fists.

>>8641030
X for chaingun
B for shotguns
A for melee
Right grip for plasma
LB for rockets
RB for BFG
Up pad for pistol
Left pad for Unmakyr
Behold my awkward but works-for-me Steam controller bindings

>>8640252
nice i was hoping you'd get a technical in there

>>8640179
>>8640252
Is this going to drive away from the player while firing at them? That was doable in dehacked if I remember right.

>>8641020
yes

FRIDAY NIGHT FIREFIGHT TIME! Tonight we're fragging on The Ultimate TWANGO. Connect with Zandronum and let's get this shit started!
51.161.34.159:10666

>Wolfenstein 3d theme is actually anthem of NSDAP Horst Wessel Lied.
Imagine this today.

>>8640665
Wolfenstein 3D and Doom work excellently. Rise Of The Triad seems like it ought to, but I've never tried.
Duke Nukem 3D and Quake work alright.

>>8641016
Afaik It was just an impromptu @everyone he threw out today.
Also Jimmy might be conscripted to do music for Sigil 2.

>>8636010
Do not change the default arachnotron walking sound - unless you want to replace every sound and sprite in the game, meaning:
if you change the walking sound of the arachnotron without changing its sprite, you're using original assets but with different sounds, which is bad. So use a new arachnotron sprite with the new sound, even if its that over-used one from Ancient Aliens. AND because you changed one monster sprite/sound, now you have to change them all. Except maybe the cybie and spidermama. Anyway, the point is, go all the way with the idea, or not at all. Stock sprites clash with new sounds, and replacing a select few monsters but keeping most of them DoomII is also lame

>>8641321
Thanks Revae.
You dork.

>>8636010
>I also considered D64 sounds for the Zombie enemies, because those sound cool, however that hurt sound is also shared with the Imp and Boner, so if that's changed they get the Zombie pain sound, which would be kind of awkward
You can use extended dehacked to create new sounds, numbered 500+, so it'd be ActivationSound = 500 or something, I haven't looked at dehacked in months

>>8641332
Np. You nerd.

>>8640539
>the death sound isn't allahu akbar

>>8640604
>hating the best Doom 2 map
wtf is Romero's problem, just jealousy?

>>8637186
>I still think Doom needs more fliers
Gargs from Ad Mortem. Flying manucubi might be cool, like the volcubus sprites from Realm667. Mothership.wad uses a flying skull box kind of like the spawn cubes but they're enemies and attack with straight and chasing revenant missiles.

>>8637186
Astral cacodemon from Eviternity, although now that we have MBF21 it can have its own unique fireball instead of it firing conflicting mancubus and caco fireballs - although the differing speeds of its projectiles do make it harder to dodge. Should it infight with regular cacos or no?

>>8636271
Zombie Mastermind & Spiderman

>>8641387
>pic
>when the doomguy is sus!!!

>>8635561
Oh god, oh fuck.

>>8641409
Holy shit you actually did it.

>>8641020
Why are people generally happier with Siberian Mayhem than SS4, when it's literally the same exact thing, but with easier encounter design, more pointless open space, almost completely sidelined enemy types, and a direct downgrade to your assault rifle? It doesn't even run better.

Is it a shilling campaign, do certain content creators™ hold that much sway over public opinion, or have we finally collectively admitted that SS4 offers absolute peak gameplay?

>>8641162
Server killed. Looks like it wasn't that good of a set.
Any suggestions for SNS?

>>8641537
swan fox

>>8641409

>>8641409
This looks sick as hell, is it some sort of mod for HDest that you put the OP pinky in?

>map makes you go through a long and tedious segment with just the shotgun
>it isn't hard at all and can be done without taking any damage whatsoever
>immediately after you get a super shotgun
why not just give me the ssg before you gargantuan ass

>>8641409
How'd you get your game to look like that? I want your modlist.

>>8641576
The weapon and item skin pack is in the description of this video: >>8636124
It's a bit out of date but it should still be fine if you stick to releases rather than latest main, outside of a couple of items from Ugly as Sin.

Map08 of Ad Mortem. A very weird level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjXsJBt-i7U

>>8641409
Looking Glass dickerer here, loved this. Currently in the middle of training some Lands of Lore pictures but I'll try and generate and process neural-Pinky's attack and death animations today or tomorrow for a complete sprite sheet.

>>8641715
me on the bottom left

>>8641715
R1C4 looks like he hates the Antichrist.

>>8641715
Nice, I'll add them to >>8641409 and release it when you do.

>>8641715
Me in the middle, second row
>tfw you keep finding bugs

>>8638842
nevermind,figured out how to save,just had to do it from the console.

completed Go 2 It on UV from a pistol start

>>8642031
did you record a demo of it on the right compatibility? otherwise it didn't happen

>>8641329
>Do not change the default arachnotron walking sound - unless you want to replace every sound and sprite in the game
I don't really follow your logic here. Dozens of megawads do stuff like that, replacing the standard plasma sound alone, because it makes the unmodified Plasma or Arachno less grating on the ears, isn't that unusual, throwing in some other PSX sounds isn't that odd either.

I don't see anyone complain about stuff like that in Valiant, Epic 2, Deus Vult II, etc.

>Stock sprites clash with new sounds
That really depends on the choice of sounds.

>and replacing a select few monsters but keeping most of them DoomII is also lame
We're not *replacing* any monsters at all. We're adding ONE new one to use as the Final Boss, and then there was the question of *potentially* adding another new one, a zombie with a rocket launcher, because he could possibly fill a new niche, and probably be funny, if used right.

>>8641334
We should be fine with that, yeah.

>>8636131
>I think backblast is overcomplicating things
Probably true, it's a thing which seemed really fun at the moment, but which also seems like it, again, would be difficult to telegraph and not necessarily that useful as a gameplay mechanic.

>small weak fliers
Potentially interesting.

>>8636163
Absolutely fucking not.

>>8636234
Interesting idea, but I think they would also very easily become obnoxious without freelook, being able to bombard you from basically straight above. It'd be like being blocked and bitten by a Caco except 10x worse.

what ultimate doom episode is considered the better one?

>>8642098
If you just want to replace the earrape plasma and arachnotron sounds, then go ahead, that's pretty common because everyone agrees they're annoying. Anything else seems like needless tinkering, and personally, I find mods that do that to be grating and disorienting in practice.

I know you want the set to primarily be short and sweet maps, but would you be fine with the penultimate map being a city like in Plutonia 1 & 2? I have an idea of making a collaborative effort between some other anons for a finale map

>>8642276
>I have an idea of making a collaborative effort between some other anons for a finale map
Not that anon, but the city block project as the penultimate map would be awesome.

>>8642250
The first episode is almost universally loved.
For me it's the only episode I was able to enjoy before I went to Doom 2, quitting that 20 levels in, and then going to beat Plutonia.

*Schlop schlop schlop schlop schlop schlop*

very important please answer
https://www.strawpoll.me/45968199

>>8642385
I said "own game" purely on the grounds that Doom II does not require Doom or Ultimate Doom in order to be played.
I am well aware that this could also mean that Evilution and Plutonia are also their own games, which is a harder thing to justify.

>>8642276
>>8642283
>but would you be fine with the penultimate map being a city like in Plutonia 1 & 2
For sure, Odyssey Of Noises is a legitimately epic level and I'm really hoping for a bit of urban maps. I've even gathered and cooked up a few suitable textures for it, given the stated interest I can gather a few more. Putting in something like that one highway in Scythe for added detail would be one of many neat things one could do.

In fact, I think it would be really cool if the second to last map in each episode was a little bigger, just for the variety, and for the fact that Plutonia isn't solely short and small maps.

>multi anon collab
That's an interesting idea, but it also seems like it could be difficult, if multiple people are to work on a single level, they should probably be in pretty close communication and plan it out together, because otherwise that could get extremely messy.

>>8642491
>they should probably be in pretty close communication
Don't worry, I'm already in close contact with some of the mapping anons here. I'm not going to reveal anyone's names just yet, don't want to get too ahead of myself here, not before the project has even started.

>>8642385
Can't see the results. Use a better polling site.

>>8640687
>You could even start with Doom 3.
I actually remember my dad playing it on original Xbox, so maybe it is a good idea.
>>8640728
>it can be fine for non-shooters
I intended to it mostly for platformers and such, but wouldn't mind experimenting a bit for the hell of it. At first I wanted get the Series one, but here it costs around ~$100 due to shortage. That's just ridiculous and can't save up that much, sadly. So 360 seems like a good retro option, even with D-pad kind of concerns me.
>>8640742
>>8640746
>>8640952
That's how I'm feeling too. Wolf3D specifically feels like the one that could work well with controller due to its overall simplicity.
>>8640973
>it can kinda feel like a bottleneck on some PWADs
Of course it would. More depends on specific PWAD. Not that I really played much of them, but it's easy to understand.
>>8641015
>I've been playing older games with a gamepad for many years as I've always been a laptop gamer.
That's actually where I am at right now, except the gamepad part. lol
>Half Life Source
Would rather play either original or better game like Ricochet.
>>8641312
Alright, I see. Thank you all for replies, anons. I guess I'll look more into the options and grab the controller if there's a reasonable offer.

Is it ever coming out?

>>8642250
The first episode is the only one I find to be mostly good all the way through. The rest all have their own special flavors of being kinda ass

Idea: boobytrap a 4-shell pickup with a lost soul that warps in afterwards, in a previous room or put the destination on the pickup itself

>>8642694
This but with a revenant, and the player has no SSG yet.

>>8642723
I wanted a lost soul so that the kill is optional / doesn't count towards the counter for UV-Max. I forgot to mention this but the simple idea is you have to expend some of the shells. If I wanted to boobytrap an item with a revenant, I'd boobytrap a berserk like Ancient Aliens map02 or a medkit like HFFM map16

>>8642738
Specifically, the revenant arrives after you grab the berserk, but the revenant pops up out of the ground before you get to the medkit as a scare

>>8641409
This is what nightmares are made of

>>8641715
>>8641784
Forgot that Pinky has 8 attack angles despite having only 5 walk angles. I assume just mirroring the relevant sprites will work well enough at least for this dude, but let me know if that doesn't. Can't get a side-back or back attack animation to look different from walking so far, so here's just the front, side-front, and side attacks right now.

>>8642773
Forgot upload too

>>8642751
>tfw your sleep paralysis demon wakes up

>>8639321
>And a LOT of characters have rocket launchers with no self damage.
The best way to make a rocket launcher, especially if it needs more than two hits to kill anything.

>>8641702
Thanks for playing it
I will watch it later
Sorry, it's not my best.

>>8642665
Yes. Just be patient. lol

>>8642359
Raaaaaaooowa Rawoo

Man, 1998 must NOT have been a good year for DOOM wads if "Earth" by Roger Ritenour is on the Top 10 list for that year. Granted I've only played the first map so far, maybe it picks up, but this is an awful first impression. It LOOKS pretty in some spots, I like the beginning and end shots of the level with this really nice skybox, but that's all I can say, most of the level is dark and cramped tunnels with too many enemies and not enough ammo for all of them

>>8642876
Earth.wad was considered groundbreaking for its clever use of visual effects.

>>8642876
Are you playing classic comfy wads? What are your favorites you found so far? I'm working on Rebirth.wad. It's pretty comfy so far though you might want DOom Sprite Fix or Smoothed.wad since it has some janky sprite replacements like a headless zombieman. My favorite's Scythe and I'm gonna do Scythe2, Doom 2 Reloaded, Doom 2 In Spain Only, and Zone 400 next

Is the current popularity of retro shooters a direct reaction against the state of modern shooters because they are all overly complicated clusterfucks?

>>8642916
Yeah, I know I'm not really the target since I've seen other people do crazier stuff even in vanilla because we've had like 30 years to figure out every trick. In part BECAUSE of wads like this paving the way, even.
I think Phobos by the same author was more visually impressive, but it was also made after Earth so I can't judge too harshly
>>8642921
Every couple months I go back to trying to play through every wad in Doomworld's Top 100 list from 2003. I've played some legit great wads so far, Requiem and STRAIN are two wads with some levels that hold up excellently, but a lot of the wads whose primary appeal is visuals tend to feel less than comfy for me. I just hope none of the remaining wads on this list are as bad as Eternal DOOM

Recently played a super comfy wad called Cyberdreams because of this list. It was a puzzle wad where Doomguy had to evade Cyberdemons and figure out how to use the level layout to kill them and exit the level, without any weapons.

>>8642932
Partially. It's a rejection of modern FPS trends, but nu-Doom popularized the idea.
Notice how Cawadooty and Battlefield are basically dead. Halo Infinite had big fanfare but it was a microtransaction cashfarm and so people abandoned that really quick too. AAA shooters have been doing terribly recently

>>8642941
I forgot to mention that Jimmy released a MIDI pack for Rebirth.wad which is how I heard of it in the first place

what's it like running build engine games through a zdoom-based sourceport like raze

>>8641329
You have OCD my friend

>>8642932
>because they are all overly complicated clusterfucks?
The only complicated mechanics you'll find in modern FPSs are stapled-on RPG mechanics.

>>8642665
No. Neither is Wrath or RoTT.

>>8642250
I like E2 best by far.

>>8642941
Oh, fuck, all that shit's from like 1997. Not sure if I can do this, pic related

>>8642537
darn, i thought this site was the preferred one
hmm
https://strawpoll.com/z4rxg77vg

>>8642876
1998 has just horrible picks on Ten Years (besides Cyberdreams). It had some good stuff too.
>Insertion
Level pack by Memento Mori and Requiem mappers
>Parallel Dimension
Doom 1 episode with use of Boom features
>Demonized
2 long boom maps

But yea 1998-2001 were basically most dead years. Most original mappers were moving to newer games and there weren't lot notable releases.

>>8643030
The earliest wad I've played and enjoyed so far outside is Rebirth from 2001, pic related. It has larger levels than Scythe and some custom textures, but Scythe is WAY better for speedrunning due to it being all about gameplay

>>8642986
What happened to Wrath?

>>8642941
Cyberdreams sound like a nice change of pace. Thanks for putting it out there.

>>8643045
people didn't want to dish out 25 shekels for quake, and instead pirated the game, thus no money went to development and we gave up
blame the publisher

ALRIGHT BOYS, IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN: SCREENSHOT SATURDAY. WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON? MAPS, MODS, SPRITES? NOW'S THE TIME TO POST THAT SHIT.

>>8643081
I gave the turretman the Wilhelm scream

>>8642932
>current popularity of retro shooters
Has died down a lot I think, and I don’t know how much traction the trend gained outside of PC sans a few console releases. At the least and for what it’s worth, the new Dooms certainly made a splash for people to take a quick break from Apex and Destiny.

>>8643081
I haven't worked much on this but have the idle for the weak flames. I need to finish up the throwing animation for the weak fire, and then do the animations for the green flames.
I gotta stop taking small projects and making them big.

>>8642876
It's purely because it was inventive with its visuals (and consider the vanilla .exe, the tools and resources available, and the knowledge base at the time), the gameplay really is pretty trash. Quoting the OneManDoom review:
>Earth is one of those vanilla Doom II mapsets that remains a technical marvel for its creative use of animated textures. One of the first things you’ll see is the shoreline, with waves crashing against the rocks, splashing over the rugged edges. It’s a prominent motif and perhaps the single best feature the WAD has to offer.
I think that really says it all.

Better stuff from 1998 includes:
>Cyberdreams
>Mars War
>The Darkening
>run buddy
>Twilight Warrior

>>8642950
raze only uses gzdoom's backend for video/audio/input, the games are run using various other implementations like nblood and eduke. so it's basically the same as using those ports, except you have gzdoom's big dick configuration options.

Opinions on Nugget Doom? It's basically Woof! with additional stuff including the option to disable infinitely tall monsters.
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/thread/125256

>>8643114
Dwars said that the dev said that his goal was to bring Crispy Doom's QoL options to Woof but I don't see the ones I want, namely Doom 64 recoil and brightmaps. It has the Crispy Doom HUD which is a must, and colored blood and mirrored corpses hidden in the .cfg, so it's automatically an upgrade to Woof, but I don't use Woof anyways. I would enjoy the low resolution and software-only if it came with the Crispy options, but without the Crispy options, Woof is just a piece of crap step down from DSDA from the players' perspective

>>8643150
oh yeah, crispy removed the recoil feature, i don't know why though.

>>8643159
It did? I havent updated so I dunno. Also I should mention that Crispy is my fav port, so a Crispy Boom/MBF would be right up my alley, but the way things are Dsda-doom is what i use for boom and beyond

>>8643159
it was probably removed cause it warps the sky box; without stretching the skybox u can see the black edges when u shoot

>>8643167
>>8643169

>>8643170
https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/crispy-doom/releases/tag/crispy-doom-5.11
From this version.

>>8643063
the sad reality

>>8643271
>>8643063
you say that, yet i keep seeing the biweekly updates from them, so if anything the team is slow on working on it.

>>8643298
if 3DR ever let their titles go on sale for 50% off instead of 15% off, there would be more funds coming in from people on the fence about buying it, and thus more toward production

how did small dev teams 20+ years ago write an entire engine and subsequently an entire game on that engine in the span of 6-12 months, while small dev teams today sit around twiddling their thumbs unable to figure out how to use it adequately enough to make more than a demo over the course of 4 years
give me a real answer and not a corporate pr bullshit "muh antiquated tech so hard to use uwu" answer

>>8643325
You used to need talent. Nowadays everyone can use a premade engine. There was also lots of competition to be the first to discover new tech.

>>8643325
Mismanagement, lack of skill and experience.
Carmack and Romero were making games since early 80s.

>>8643351
This right here. If you already have the knowledge and experience, it's a lot easier to get things off the ground. Hell, you could salvage an old engine into a better one, or use old assets or have a faster time finding an artist. Not to mention those 6-12 months could sometimes be spent burning the team into the ground with crunch.
It's just more obvious to see how many companies fail compared to back then.

>>8643362
There were a lot of games in development hell back then like Turok, Shadow Warrior, Duke Nukem Forever.
Plenty of games never saw release.

>>8643081
Working on my map still

>>8643386
>Turok
I meant Prey.

>>8643387
>>8643081
And I tried to make sector ATVs

>>8643079
will your mod have any wolfenstein or keen replacements?

>>8643412
SS replacement is meant to be used as the main enemy, no ideas for Keen yet. Will likely have levels where you have to destroy "buildings" to complete it

>>8643091
>I gave the turretman the Wilhelm scream
kek excellent

I have a question though: Are the animations done or are you still working on them? In that one link you posted, everyone was walking like they're MC Hammer.
Also, please get lost of those lone pixel on your weapon sprite, or at least do some anti aliasing.

>>8643404
Succeeded. That's exactly what they look like.

>>8643427
I like the goofiness of my animations, I want people to know I'm an amateur

>>8643081
Making an epsiode of Odamex horde mode maps. I have 4 semi-complete, might make some more.

>>8643351
Standards have shifted as well. There are people that knock out game jams these days that could be considered viable products 30 years ago.
Doom took over a year to make, every commander keen game was a month. A lot of indie devs are doing it as a side gig too.
Project management is a big part of it tho.

>>8643436
If you have a projectile to spare that you're not going to use you could have a a bunch of helicopters fly past the player with a "fwoopfwoopfwoop" noise. For visual flair.

>>8643298
The biweekly updates are a fucking joke, though. They barely give you any information on what's going on and instead do cockteasing shit like "created enemy concept art" then proceed not to show said art to the public.

I need to get back into mapping. How do I make a good city map with optional areas... in hell?

>>8643298
Here is what the typical biweekly update looks like.
And sometimes they don't even meet the deadline on these.

>>8643460
Their publisher is Russian 1C which says a lot.

>>8643452
Or even jets I guess.

>>8643465
Could have been worse.
{spoiler]Akella was way worse[/spoiler]

>made hundreds of cyberdemons my bitch
>still feel slight fear every time one looms by
What is this power?

>>8643489
20-160 impact plus 128 splash

Our hero

My questionable monster ideas for protons:
> A lost soul variant that explodes when it dies. Now you have to think twice before shooting at it when it's charging
> Evil wizard that flies and shoots small homing projectiles in bursts
> Final boss: A beefed up arch-vile that shoots spawn cubes while in pain state