/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8646365
Not right, it's this game, Dragon Quest 8.

No. That would either have to be DQ8 or FFX. Xeno3 was alright and helped repair the damage of the horrible Xeno2, but it still wasn't too great.

>>8646365
tf is going on with her bra

>>8646393
No offense to other RPGs but I came here to post this. It's usually a matter of personal preference but Dragon Quest games are usually the best package overall. Except for DQ9 on the DS, it's not really good, there are better DS RPGs of course, it's a JRPG machine

>>8646487
preparing for special attack

>>8646365
anime was a mistake

>>8646365
It's either
Suikoden V
Xenosaga 3
Shadow Hearts Covenant

>>8646521
>Battle
>Ready
>Armor

>>8646365
Xenosaga a shit.

>>8646365
>>8647818
This looks sick.

nocturne or dq8

>>8646365
Maybe if you’re a weeb.
FFX had the best art direction and presentation of any RPG that generation, so it gets my vote.

>>8647818
oughta be illegal to post that scene without the music, man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HwWlX1WJgI

>>8646365
Arguably yes, but it's the PS2. Even with the more cinematic cutscenes, the best 6th gen RPGs are like B-tier 5th gen. Even 4th gen RPGs are better.

Also, after three games, Xenosaga's final reveal was very disappointing. And it STILL ends on a cliffhanger!

>>8646724
Suiloden V is not that great bro

>>8646393
I never get the appeal of DQ

I've tired most of them and i honestly think this was the most bland and boring franchise ever existed I'd rather play shitty rpgmaker game than this

>>8646365
>Open world non-Disney Kingdom Hearts with better combat in a cool-ass steampunk universe with skypirates
>Third-person action role-playing game
>Continuous environment, no load time between overworld exploration and combat
>Battles occur as random encounters
>Real-time hack and slash combat system with a party of three characters
>Game becomes open world after first few missions
>Player is free to move from planet to planet using cool-ass pirate ship, Dorgenark

This is unironically the best RPG on the PS2. No one ever says this because it came out in December 2005 when the Xbox 360 was already out so only people who've played it on emulators know about it.

>>8649241
You explore, you talk to people, you fight monsters, there's nothing gay in it. What's not to like?

>>8649241
For classic DQ I see your point, but for modern DQ they're the only thing Squeenix shits out that plays like a classic JRPG while still being modern. So if you wat new games but want a classic JRPG experience DQ is impossible to beat.

>turd based combat
Into the trash it goes

>>8649243
>neglect power-levelling all characters
>suddenly at the ending battle you need all characters and can't finish the game without each weak link finding a way to get through it
>can't finish it
>Have to re-start to spend hours and hours grinding away to make sure everyone levels up
Fun fact: it was supposed to be Dark Cloud 3, but development went so far off the rails that it ended up as something else.

>>8646365
1. DQ8
2. FFX
3. Dark Cloud 2
4. Shadow Hearts 2

>>8648574
>Maybe if you’re a weeb.
>FFX
Anon, I don't even...

>>8646658

Giving 3D graphics hardware and high-capacity storage media to Japanese game developers was a mistake. 98% of 2D Japanese fighting games are amazing works of visual art. 95% of 3D Japanese PSX-or-later games are grotesque kitsch.

>>8648574
>FFX had the best art direction

Hahaha what! FFX has the ugliest designs of any FF game.

>>8649392
FF X-2 is pretty ugly, but FFX itself is nice.

>>8646510
Only legit problem I had with DQIX was the RNG, thankfully there's the hoimi table but besides that the game is by far the best NDS game.

>>8646365
no, it's Shadow Heart Covenant

>>8646365
No, King's Field IV is the best by a country mile. No animu weebshit even comes close.

I cannot stress my disappoint enough with xenofags who go out of their way to praise shit games like xeno attempting to convince people they're anything more than missed potential waifushit with thoughtless world building based entirely on pop sci-fi. The game play isn't even good. I could forgive it all then.

Anyway, Valkyrie Profile 2 is a much more fun and beautiful game than any Xenoqueer title.

>>8649372
Final Fantasy X is anime style?
>>8649392
Shit bait. The art direction in FFX is incredible and it’s world is fully realized.

>>8650047
>Final Fantasy X is anime style?
Who can say.

>>8650075
nice ps1 models

>>8646365
it's romancing saga minstrel song

>>8650102
I'm not sure that you've ever played a PS2 or PS1 game before.

>>8650114
I guess you are just blind

>>8650047
>Final Fantasy X is anime style?

>>8646365
>tfw I still have the special DVD with the cutscenes from all the games that was released for this

>play Radiata Stories

100% serious. VP2 was also good. Threads of Fate runner up.

>>8650075
looks nothing like animes.

>>8649227
filtered

>>8650047
>The art direction in FFX is FABULOUS
fixed
>it’s world is fully realized
If tacking on random animu shit is "fully realized" then, yeah, the world is fully realized.

>>8646365
bad series made even worse by every game playing and looking completely different

>>8650075
only fag in the middle has decent model and texturing, rest looks ugly.

bro, your REPLICAAAAA!!

>>8653093
To be fair, it's much less noticeable in the original resolution that the game runs in. I just grabbed that screenshot from the internet but it might be from the HD port, so they may have also remodeled his face. I know the redid some of the models for that one

>>8646365
50 posts and no one mentions how awesome XS3 ost is

>>8654318
X2 was shit but one of the best OST's

>>8646487
I'm still confused about this.

>>8654318
>>8655196
As much as I like Mitsuda, I always felt his Xenosaga 1 soundtrack was one of his weakest works. Kajiura stepping in for 2 and 3 was a huge improvement.

>>8650102
Looks nothing like a PS1 game

I can understand and even concur on some pics you /v/rmins are pointing, like Xenosaga III, Rogue Galaxy, DQ, I could even add myself all the .//Hack series as a tough challenger, but these games are great mainly because of the story. This is not bad per se, but I need to quote John Carmack on these: stories in videogames are stories in porn, it's nice to have them, but it's not that important.

But, what about if I tell you there is a japanese ARPG masterpiece solely for the gameplay? This is Monster Hunter Dos,.a game nobody but MH hardcore fans play. The english patch dropped in like 2012 or something and very few people try it.

This is the last Monster Hunting game Capcom released, it is a pocket survival game more more like the Action games MH are now. This is not a bad thing whatsoever, I'm just pointing out differences and drawing a line.

Mechanics feels old but they are masterfully crafted and the core gameplay is very unique. You should try it.

>>8652216
Huh?
I did beat it, it just wasn't that great. The wars were great though.

>>8655704
your opinion still is wrong

>>8649409
I love DQ but I thoroughly disliked 9, what in particular did you like about it? I'm thinking about revisiting the series as a whole

>>8655309
indeed, PS1 models are better than majority of models shown in that screenshot

>>8655950
(You)

>>8655962
(You)

>>8650102
Zooooooom

>>8655950
Shitty blocky model

>>8655950
HD emulated shit doesnt count, zooom

>>8656136
hello, I''m dad
>>8656139
still better than 4 models shown in that FFX screenshot
>>8656140
HD emulated shit vs HD emulated shit, I guess you are just retarded.

>>8656212
Lmao, you are blind. those ps2 models look much better

>>8656241
only centerpiece looks better, rest are bellow ps1 level dipshit, get better glasses.

>>8656247
Stop trolling. the rest have more complex geometry and details. for fucks sake its a ps1 game so it would look like a jaggy, wobbly mess with an awful resolution outside of emulators.

>>8656256
>both are low poly and blocky
>both have low resolution textures
>baked in eyes which don't blink unlike ps1 model
>cutscene ps2 models vs ingame ps1 model
so below ps1 level

>>8656292
Ps1 is even more low poly and blocky objectively speaking. everything is also in engine.

>>8656293
so nu-zoomers don't even know that most of the FFX cutscenes are run on engine and such cutscenes use higher quality models than ingame ones.

Don't forget to zoom out more to hide how hideous those models and texturing look like.

and don't forget to take screenshots in ~448i original ps2 resolution or you already forgot that you don't like "HD emulated shit"?

>>8646393
This game is so boring I unironically fell asleep while traveling between cities due to the snoozefest of a battle system. Never before I've seen a battle system so bland, slow and boring as the one that forms the basis of DQ. I've read the creator of DQ was inspired by Wizardry but battles in wizardry begin and and faster than the attack animation for a single character in DQ8.

>>8656327
You are grasping at straws at this point. Battle models don't look much different from cutscene models. They still look a whole lot better than PS1 models.
>to take screenshots in ~448i original ps2 resolution
As opposed to ugly 240p?
>or you already forgot that you don't like "HD emulated shit"?
That wasn't me. I'm just grabbing stuff from google

>>8646393
I tried to get through this a few times, but the Weekday Morning Toddler Cartoon aesthetic and sounds just turn me off

>>8656338
This screenshot is from remaster/hd and not original ps2. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that a dipshit. Next time hide UI elements.

>to take screenshots in ~448i original ps2 resolution // or you already forgot that you don't like "HD emulated shit"?
yeah, right~ it wasn't me who complained about "HD emulated shit" it was you and it seems you can't even get google part right.

Original FFX does not render fingers properly, lol.

>>8650075
>>8656338
and first FFX screenshot is from remaster too, original's texturing and poly count is lower.

>>8656412
Fine then, if you don't want to count the remaster, the original PS2 game still looks much better than whatever PS1 game you have in mind. Pic related is a PCSX2 screenshot
>it was you
Nope, that was someone else
>Original FFX does not render fingers properly, lol.
And original FF7 didn't have fingers at all lol

Wow, what a retarded argument. Someone is really insisting that a PS2 game looks like a PS1 game just because I posted a screenshot from a PS4 game. And they're very angry about being called a zoomer for some reason

>>8656436
>the original PS2 game still looks much better than whatever PS1 game you have in mind.
We are talking about how horrible npc models in 1st screenshot FFX look like, not overall game quality, you cretin. But feel free to try moving goalposts.
>Nope, that was someone else
lol
>And original FF7 didn't have fingers at all lol
Moving goalposts hard this time, eh? Did you notice that noone was or is talking about FF7?

>>8656454
Are you retarder or something? Original point was that 4 npcs around the fag look like from ps1, which they are. Some nu-zoomers got upset about that, failed to disprove the point and now are moving goalposts.

>>8656487
But they don't look like they're from a ps1 game. The polycount is too high and the textures are higher resolution that just about anything on the ps1. They look pretty par for the course for lower detail models in a ps2 game. I don't really see what's so contentious about that. I am not retarder or something.

>>8656487
>We are talking about how horrible npc models in 1st screenshot FFX look like,
Then why did you post an image of Yuna?Every FFX post including the first one look better than any PS1 model blind retard.
>Moving goalposts hard this time, eh?
Its just a little tit for tat. You also haven't posted anymore PS1 models

>>8656520
>Then why did you post an image of Yuna?
So you already forgot that you tried to sneak remaster screenshot, eh? No-fingers just proves your dirty handiwork.
>better than any PS1 model blind retard.
Started to miss words, eh? Quite upset, aren't we? Better ps1 model is already posted, feel free to stay delusional.
>Its just a little tit for tat. You also haven't posted anymore PS1 models
In other words you have nothing and you fail to comprehend that a single screenshot is enough to demolish your point.

>>8656412
>Yuna literally getting older for each remaster
wtf

>>8656619
time accurate remaster

>>8656589
>tried to sneak remaster screenshot, eh?
It was related to the first image, you know, those three models we are talking about
>Better ps1 model is already posted
You mean this? >>8655950 you really are a blind retard
>that a single screenshot is enough to demolish your point
As stated above, you are blind. That screenshot looks like shit

>>8656656
strawmanning, strawmanning and even more strawmanning. Ran out lies, eh, buddy?

>>8646365
This looks amazing, holy shit. Is this in game or pre rendered?

>>8656658
Look up what strawmanning means. Then come back with an actual argument

>>8650047
It's good but it's not really the best, specially when FF12 exists

>>8656662
pre-render... actual gameplay uses worse, but still impressive models

>>8656668
yeah it's still impressive, thanks for clearing up, though.

>>8656665
Your point is already demolished and now you fail to offer anything more than namecalling, so keep strawmanning if you want.

>>8656678
You posted a shitty looking ps1 model. How did that demolish my argument?

>>8656687
Sigh, you are hopeless, aren't you? Keep rereading until you get it.

>>8656697
What is there to reread? You just posted an image and expected others to believe it looks better

>>8656704
Just keep doing that, it might take few years but I believe in you.

>>8656709
So now you are arguing in bad faith because you refuse to elaborate and explain why it looks better.

>>8656715
Again, keep reading because it was already explained.
>arguing in bad faith
RIGHTTTT... lets remember that remake screenshot, hmm?

>>8656726
>because it was already explained.
Where?? Are you literally incapable of linking these posts I should reread, because I already read everything and nothing supports your point
>remake screenshot, hmm?
I already posted a PS2 screenshot so that is moot

All answers ITT that aren't Romancing SaGa Minstrel Song or Unlimited SaGa are wrong.

>>8656732
I believe in you, you can find those 5 lines!
>I already posted a PS2 screenshot so that is moot
So where are those npcs? I only see them in that remake screenshot you tried to lie about.

>>8656759
Waiting for those posts.
>So where are those npcs?
Different NPCs but quality is the same
>>8656436
But just in case you still bitch about it, this video shows the same scene with those npcs
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PJv9Tx6j01E

>>8656816
>Waiting for those posts.
Keep rereading, you can find those 5 lines.
>Different NPCs but quality is the same
zoom in properly and post high resolution image
>this video shows the same scene with those npcs
and they look as horrible in native as in high res, thanks for proving my point I guess?

>>8656905
>Keep rereading, you can find those 5 lines
I accept your concession.
>zoom in properly and post high resolution image
I didn't make the image
>look as horrible in native as in high res
They look better than that PS1 model. More detailed and more polygons.

>>8656912
>I accept your concession.
So you are not capable of properly reading, huh.
>I didn't make the image
Oh I guess another fake of your? Wouldn't be surprising based on your constant lies.
>They look better than that PS1 model. More detailed and more polygons.
Righttt.... lol, I guess you need to be completely mentally retarded to state that FFX npc looks better.

>>8656992
>So you are not capable of properly reading, huh.
No, its more like you are incapable of responding to my arguments
>Oh I guess another fake of your?
I got it from google, schizo
>I guess you need to be completely mentally retarded to state
You are the only one retarded enough in this thread to think the left looks better. Its a good thing you managed to only show the upper half since those blocky hands look like complete shit from your previous image

>>8656992
FFX is not a great game, why argue about it?

>>8657025
>incapable of responding to my arguments
you not offering any
>I got it from google, schizo
so I guess another remake one, no? You like to cheat afterall
>ts a good thing you managed to only show the upper half
in other words you can't disprove that left looks better, AHAHAHAHAHAHA. Now you moved to picking on individual parts AHAHAHAHAHAHA. AND obviously failing to notice that PS2's npc hand is as blocky as PS1's AHAHAHAHAHAHA. PS1's model hand is made from 3 separate parts while PS2's made only from 2 too KEK.

>>8657076
strange that no one mentions FFXII which is far more superior that FFX

>>8656992
>a 16x upscaled and smoothed emulated model looks better than a raw one

Shocker, that

>>8657086
>you not offering any
I am. I'll repeat: explain how that PS1 model looks better
>so I guess another remake one, no
Its literally a screenshot from the PS2 version
>you can't disprove that left looks better
I can. PS1 character models usually have a polygon count of 300-500. PS2 models have 1000-3000. That PS1 model looks very blocky due to low poly and the FFX model looks way less blocky and had additional advantages in texture work and z buffering. You can even see the pixels on that PS1 model

>>8657159
>explain how that PS1 model looks better
Already explained and even shown
>Its literally a screenshot from the PS2 version
You are habitual liar, why anyone should trust you?
>I can.
So where is your "disapproval"? You just listed generic specs. Nothing to do with last 2 images.
>You can even see the pixels on that PS1 model
You can on PS2 model, yes. KEK. PS2's npc model needs texture filtering to look on par with PS1 one.

>>8657203
>Already explained
No you did not. You went "hurr durr retard" for thinking the right looks better
>You are habitual liar
Look at the screenshot you moron, its literally the PS2 version, anyone can see that
>You just listed generic specs
Ahahahahaha, polygon discussion is "generic specs"? Okay, you so you are pretending to be retarded then
>Nothing to do with last 2 images
Polygons have everything to do with how good those models look
>You can on PS2 model
Nope, nowhere near as pronounced as the PS1
>needs texture filtering
A natural feature of the PS2

Imagine thinking that a dithering filled, warped out the ass, 240p, low poly PS1 model looks better than a PS2 one. Just lol

>>8657147
>offline mmo

>>8657240
>No you did not.
and it was explained more than once
>Ahahahahaha, polygon discussion is "generic specs"?
list polygon count of particular PS1 model and particular PS2 npc model, with proof obviously, I'm waiting.
>Look at the screenshot you moron, its literally the PS2 version, anyone can see that
it is PCSX2 image you dipshit, liar is always liar.
>Polygons have everything to do with how good those models look
just listing generic numbers does not improve bad looking PS2 npc model
>Nope, nowhere near as pronounced as the PS1
You can even clearly see individual pixels on PS2 model.
>A natural feature of the PS2
Which is not present here
>"hurr durr retard" for thinking the right looks better
You are right this time, you are a retard

>>8657147
It's not even worth mentioning at all, except for the career death of Matsuno.

>>8657258
But that's a good thing

>>8657258
>>8657335
>>8657338
FF12 is a bad game now?

>>8657356
Vanilla FF12 was always bad. International fixed it, but only weebs and hardcore nerds took the time to play it. Then, the remaster brought International to a wider audience, and gave it even more QoL improvements.

>>8657318
>and it was explained more than once
Where?
>with proof obviously
https://blog.playstation.com/2019/12/16/the-polygonal-evolution-of-5-iconic-playstation-characters/
>it is PCSX2
Its emulation retard, you posted emulated pics as well
>does not improve bad looking PS2 npc model
Yes it does. More poly allows for more details
>You can even clearly see individual pixels on PS2 model
Hardly
>You are right this time, you are a retard
"No u"? Try again

>>8657402
I'm interested in generic numbers you dipshit, list:
a) individual polygon count of PS1 model shown in screenshots
b) individual polygon count of PS2 npc model shown in screenshots
with proof, I'm waiting

>>8657402
so, where are the numbers?

>>8657412
I don't know what that PS1 game but here
https://twitter.com/dreamboum/status/1366281183647137792?lang=en
Its consistent with what other PS2 games have which always have at least 1000+ polycount for models

>>8657369
FF12 was always fine mechanically, it's the story that everyone always disliked. The moment in the game's development that Matsuno left the project is very, very self-evident.

>>8657472
I don't give flying fuck about meaningless generic numbers moron, again list:
a) individual polygon count of PS1 model shown in screenshots
b) individual polygon count of PS2 npc model shown in screenshots
with proof, I'm waiting

>>8657506
>being blind

How have you guys been talking about this for as long as you have? Hasn't it been like two days now

>>8658235
Xeno a shit.

>>8658209
hello, I'm dad

>>8658451
>no arguments

>>8658528
>no arguments