/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8641995
It has absolutely amazing worldbuilding/lore with a huge scope, awesome music, and a plot that brings it all together. if you like that sort of thing, you will probably like Xenogears a lot.
but the first 20 hours are super slow and vague, and there is more text than macbeth. also, the PS1 3d can get ugly and pixelated, but the graphical design has soul. the game has some great moments, but you have to put in quite a bit of effort to get there.

>>8642064
faggot

>>8641995
You should play it, so that you can stop looking at everything in terms of whether or not it was made by earthbound fans.

Gnosticism is fun.
>>8642154
Shut the fuck up motherfucker.

Disk 2 is a Visual Novel game.

Great story. It's got pacing issues, but what do you expect from a PS1 JRPG of the "50+ hour expected minimum casual first playthrough" variety.

>>8642167
They had the story written, but ran out of time/budget to flesh out that part of the game into exploration and dungeons and stuff.

>>8641995
The story, dialogue, and characters are so dull I quit after around 15-20 hours. Also the AP system is pointless because there's literally no advantage to using it, and the combo system is pointless because the only combo that matters at any given time is the strongest combo you can perform. The other combos don't matter. I keep wanting to like Xenogears but it's just so gay it filters me.

Xenogears a shit.

>>8642154
>>8642221
do you have nothing better to do than seek out every xenogears thread and shit in it? i applaud your dedication for being able to consistently do this in every thread for the past year; but dang man, go watch some big tiddy anime and masturbate or something.

>>8642154
fuck off you stupid faggot, you're literally just seething because someone else has the brain cells required to string together a sentence instead of just saying "reddit" and "tranny" and spamming wojaks over and over like you

>>8642239
Xeno as a whole a shit. No need to fap, have found my clit.

>>8642239
yes

A game that could use a remake more than most.

>>8642167
and it was the best part of the game

>>8641995

other than some philosophy references (doesn't do a good job actually implementing them into the storyline) and the OMG MECHAS!!!! that literally appear out of nowhere and arent really explained. it plays like a pretty standard rpg of the time.

>>8642167
No, it was a conscious decision to make it like that
be thankful that they did because we would not have had any closure at all

Shit combat where you do the same thing in mech 24/7, story is too unevenly paced to enjoy, music is good albeit super repetitive, beyond slow and boring at parts, encounter rate is stupidly high + some dungeons that are purely trial and error which path to go = a genuinely horrible experience, some characters are well written for the most part aaand disc 2 is just dire. A big problem is that the writers tease a lot of the story and the payoff isn't with the very, very slow build. Also I found at times towards the end when plot was trying to get held together that the writers started throwing in large words for the sake of it. It's an odd contrast compared to the rest of the game and makes me feel like it was done by two different teams.

>>8642245
>t. reddit tranny

>>8643161
Because Takahashi could not stop adding to it.

>>8643245
>story is too unevenly paced to enjoy
Subjective.
Story is unevenly paced but vastly more enjoyable than most videogame stories especially JRPG stories.

What's the best/easiest way to play it now?
Just emulate it?

>>8641995
Seems like people think it is the best game ever or pretentious garbage. I dont think there is really much overlap between xeno and earthbound/undertale fans since those games have a much more lighthearted tone.

In my opinion the story is very good and miles better than other "omg so le deep" stuff like evangelion. You probably will have to play the game/ watch the flashback cutscenes on youtube again to put together the full timeline but the story makes sense for the most part the first time you play it.
>>8643245
I liked the slow build. I think you have to be a sci-fi reader to enjoy xenogears otherwise you wont have the patience to get through it. The thing that annoyed me most about the game were the slow menus and encounter rate but they were not that bad after a while.

>>8643778
And the slow text speed.

>>8643665
duckstation plays is perfectly.

>>8643778
>Seems like people think it is the best game ever or pretentious garbage
I just think it's unique. Flawed in multiple ways, but in others much more enjoyable than most other JRPGs with similar story:gameplay ratio. It's not the best game ever (or even the best jarpig ever) and I never recommend it without heavy caveats. But it's definitely not mere "pretentious garbage" although I understand how people can get that impression sometimes.

>>8641995
It's horrible, and everyone knows it's horrible. It's as if a 13 year old wrote the script. You gotta play it to believe it. A villain related to the protagonist is literally called "Id". There even is a crucifixion scene out of the blue. You seriously have no clue how bad it all is.

>>8643896
>A villain related to the protagonist is literally called "Id".
There's nothing wrong with this.
>There even is a crucifixion scene out of the blue.
But yeah that scene doesn't work.

Basically, if you're curious about Xenogears, this kind of poster is the absolute worst to listen to. His mockery won't be funny or insightful, just trite condemnation of anything outside some narrow, boring view of what a videogame should be. He probably spends more time watching streamers on twitch and youtube than playing games.

>>8643921
But he's right. They crucify the damn mascot anon.

>>8643896
So have you finished it? Or do you watch youtube to convince yourself not to play games while learning all about them?

This game sounds terrible to me but I kinda want to play it because maybe it's good? I'd try it, maybe, but... the characters just look so ugly, why are their faces so punchable? I don't want to look at that crappy art for 70 hours or whatever.

I think Gear combat would be a bit better if you could carry your attack level to the next encounter (but always reset for boss fights), having to build your attack level at every random fight gets boring fast

>>8641995
If you liked psx jrpgs, it's pretty high up there with the best of them.
Just be ready to get text enough to fill a bible. Everything that happens, you have to click through 30 minutes of text, including before hard boss battles where it's not that hard to get a game over

>>8641995
I liked how it literally was Ancient Aliens:the JRPG, we should have more of those instead of simply murdering god because le destiny bad.

>>8641995
My favorite game, and I consider myself to have well-rounded tastes in games, so not a hipster.

It's a mixed bag but overall pretty good

>>8642064
>the PS1 3d can get ugly and pixelated
I really like the graphics, it's a more natural evolution from 16-bit than what Final Fantasy did. Square agrees, because they're going back to it with their HD-2D series that is one of their only good ideas in decades.

>>8644493
Xenohater here. This was the redeeming aspect. Lets take a high Type II, crash their ship and see what happens. That's a story good enough in itself.

>>8642167
Not really though. I replayed it recently. While they converted what looks like a few amazing chapters into text, there are also 4 dungeons, which might be the best in the game, not to mention the world map.

1/8 of the game was "abbreviated" and people won't let it go. Sad.

>>8644508
don't get me wrong, the game's visual style and design is gorgeous; it's that the ps1 doesn't do them justice. the game would have looked absolutely beautiful if everything was double the resolution.

>>8644493
Agreed, the later "Xeno" games don't deserve the title.

>>8644550
While there is plenty of pixel art, a surprising number of textures are actually pretty high res already. They went overboard on texture detail that we never got to see in 1998. In my opinion, playing at 1080p or higher makes Xenogears look comparable in some respects to modern indie isometric games.

>>8644552
Because Takahashi and his everchanging opus.

>>8644550
Those "updated" portraits are objectively worse in every aspect except line sharpness.
This is what happens when artists learn to draw by copying derivative anime.

>>8644660
lol the HD portraits are literally the artwork that the in-game portraits are scanned from. You're retarded bro

>>8644367
He's (partially) right about one 3-minute meme scene in a story long enough to be 9 movies or several seasons of a TV show, which is a pastiche of Empire Strikes Back where Darth Vader provokes Luke to come rescue his friends by torturing them. Except Krelian puts the gears and Chu-Chu on crucifixes. If you're invested in the story at that point, it might be a minor immersion break, but unless you're a self-conscious manchild playing on a twitch stream it's easy to just move on.

The game is full of text. It can be slow. It belabors some points that could have been made implicit. It has a lot of flaws, especially late in the game when the storytelling is rushed and done with storyboards + text. Maybe the amount of 90s edginess will kill it for you, maybe not. Some can't take it and immersion is permanently broken. Others love it and are inspired to make something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qHWAWKC-W0

>>8641995
Playing it the year of its release I couldn't get into it. There was just so many other better RPGs and games being released. People who did recommend Xenogears to me told me that it was better than Chrono Trigger. To this day I still think that it's overrated anime trash. It was hard for anybody to give a shit about this game with FFVII coming out around the same time.

Nearly a decade later I'd get to play Xenosaga. A friend had given me a free copy of it. It was so terrible that I explained to him that I would pay him just to take the copy back. Fuck these shitty xeno games.

>>8644660
you really are an idiot

>>8644550

>>8644860
I...I commented on the video. I... *sigh*... I said.......

>"you are really fucking gay, please kill yourself."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MWZenptplY

>>8644860
...did Sophia share in the Clitoris of the Mother?

It's a game with infinitely better ideas than it does execution. You can feel the passion oozing out of every bit of this game but while it is a lot more than the sum of its parts, a lot of those parts are a janky mess.

>>8645119
Kinda like taking a massive shit that hits your gspot?

>>8644684
>>8645041
go back to /ic/ animu trash humping

>>8644860
When I first saw Chu-Chu being crucified, I thought it was amusing, but also my previous experience with JRPGs, where you can choose battle members and influence cutscenes, had already allowed me to see some silly juxtapositions. I love Xenogears.

>>8645051
Graf's design is awesome. He's like a surreal robotic Kefka, very scary.

>>8641995
It's legitimately good. Has some issues, but it's still one of my favorite RPGs

I started losing patience on the Meme Disc.
Shit was getting just too crazy for it's own good, shoving tons of concepts at you with little time to process it, then "NANO-MACHINES, SON!" was the go-to a cop-out for almost everything.

The build-up to several mysteries/characters lost all their weight once the twists were revealed. Miang and her nonsense really set me off, especially how it related to Fei's mom. At that point, I checked out mentally for everything and dropped the game at the start of the final dungeon. Fei's an obnoxiously DULL lost puppy of a character that only ever seemed to emote when it only came Elly from what I recall. I'd rather have a whiny brat like Shinji or Tidus in his place.

It doesn't help that XG shares a lot of parallels with Chrono Cross in terms of twists, hard left turns the plots take, dropped/very little character development as well as point-pointing exactly when the stories were rushed and budgets cut.

inb4 >"You just didn't get it!"
Oh I understood it completely after a while. It's STILL retarded.
Just like with Chrono Cross: 10/10 OST, slapdash of a final act.

>>8645239
>At that point, I checked out mentally for everything and dropped the game at the start of the final dungeon.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: Xenogears is a game that demands your full attention. if you check out, then the game will no longer be fun or meaningful. This is not directed at you specifically, but just an observation I've seen with many people that have your same experience. You can't just play through the game casually, it requires effort and concentration on the part of the player to stay engaged.

>>8645218
Now that's the biggest stretch I have ever seen with this "game"

I think I'm gonna play Xenogears.

>>8645239
Unironically, you just didn't get it. It's not retarded, but it is dense. Chrono Cross is a really bad comparison.

>>8645304
I've played it completely through four times and I now follow and retain every plot beat. I think being 80 hours long without any filler is why some people just don't get it. Xenogears is an amazing sci-fi legend that is also a love letter to practically every mecha anime and a ton of Hollywood films from the 60s-90s. Being me, who was a weeb and sci-fi nerd in the 90s, there is no better game.

>>8645351
>played it completely through four times
Shit like this is why you spergs can't tell good writing from bad.

>>8645401
Oh shut the fuck up. You're nothing. No talent.

I never got around playing more than a bit of the first part to check if the game piqued my interest, which it did. I need to get a copy because I only emulate to check if a game is worth having, but the price is holding me back, on top of having to import because we never got it in Europe.

>>8645494
>on top of having to import because we never got it in Europe.
Damn, that's a shame. I guess we're even for not having gotten Terranigma in North America.
I think if you absolutely need the genuine article in your home that you should import the Japanese release and either emulate or burn a copy of the English release, personally.

>>8645498
I like to play the game on real hardware, price be damned.

>>8645518
I'm right there with you. That's one of the reasons why I'm studying Japanese. Have you considered modding your console or importing an NTSC console? I live in the US so I don't really know the first thing about PAL stuff.

>>8645531
I have a modded PS1 that runs both, I got it primarily to save space and play the Japanese release of Rival Schools for the extra characters.

>>8645535
Well hell man, burn a copy of the North American release and get to gaming. I'm sure there's a scan of the manual out there too.

The red X from the logo never makes an appearance in the game. I thought it was an emblem that would become meaningful eventually, but no it's just some odd branding.

Reminder that Squaresoft passed on Xenogears 2 to make The Spirits Within movie, driving the director to make his own company. Although I'm not a huge fan of Xenosaga and -blade, I can't deny those games are probably more well-regarded than modern Final Fantasy.

>>8645465
>don't make funna muh animu trash

>>8645587
What's the lore connection between Xenogears and Xenoblade?

Cruel tease.

>>8645612
The Zohar
>>8645494
The Church had to do with that Euroanon.

>>8645612
There is no connection between the Xenogears, Saga, Blade, or Blade X series, other than aesthetic and thematic nods. It's kind of like Final Fantasy.

>>8645614
Xenogears began life as a Chrono Trigger sequel, and I do consider it a true spiritual successor.

>>8645623
Oh hey dude.

>>8645612
The connection is the Gnostic themes

I dropped it when I got to the ethos.
At that point I still had no idea wtf was going on and I wasn't wasting my time anymore running around to get to the next cutscene.

>>8644550

God they are all so punchable (except that robot thing I guess). Why do you have such bad taste? What do you have against the way actual human faces look? Do you not go outside ever and see them?

I want to pick this up and play it on my vita
How bad of an idea is this?

>>8641995
It's not bad, especially for the time. It is very "I'm 14 and this is deep," though.

>>8645080
Glad to see your priorities are in the right place, anon: making dumb youtube comments and impressing yourself with lazy sarcasm.

>>8646151
You'll be playing a game made for televisions on a small screen but other than that, it's fine.

>>8646294
>It is very "I'm 14 and this is deep," though.
Why, because it actually requires thinking at all? For action sci-fi, it's plenty deep.

>>8647068
Many such cases. That post was made by someone too stupid for a JRPG

>>8645351
This is some masterclass trolling, well done
You had me up until this point, but
> you have to play it 320 hours to truly get it!
is something even an MMO addict would shy away from saying
Here’s your (You) and a tip of my fedora, fellow deep anime appreciator

>>8645304
If the game weren't so exposition heavy during certain points where a character just sits there and flaps their yap for a full minute or two, then it wouldn't have been so egregious irritating. I ended up disliking Gears more as the story was reaching it's conclusion.
What I really enjoyed though is the world's aesthetic and atmosphere, which made me feel like I was exploring a piece of the Star Wars universe, the several dichotomies between whatever the names of all the factions and how they all connected to the plot, as well as this mother fucker's fuck ups and further mental deterioration as the story went along. Solaris' reveal was genuinely cool and I'll give credit to the overall spectacle of the game. It's a hell of a lot more impressive for a PS1 JRPG than FF7 is lauded for and that's coming from a 7fag.

Xenogears a shit

>>8647173
>you have to play it 320 hours to truly get it!
I didn't play it four times to "truly get it," I played it because I like it. But anyway, since it's a game, you can't just skip around to story-heavy parts, you need to play all the way through.

Anyway, if you don't want a JRPG with a dense story, I don't understand why you're playing a JRPG.

>>8648001
>Anyway, if you don't want a JRPG with a dense story, I don't understand why you're playing a JRPG.
I'm a fan of Xenogears but seriously I fucking hate when people say this.
Some JRPGs are story heavy, some are not. No Final Fantasy game has a "dense story" until Final Fantasy VII. Even VI is not dense.

For point of reference, FFVI appears to have roughly 6.5 hours of cutscenes, and that's easily the most of any SNES Square game. Xenogears has 18+. You could also look at other metrics like average length of a cutscene.

There's really a dramatic difference in the ratio of storytelling to gameplay in the PSX era. In the SNES era, a cutscene was maybe 2-3 minutes before you went back to playing. Even in FFVI, 85% of the game you spend on gameplay stuff not storytelling. Most other SNES JRPGs it's 90%+. I'd bet NES JRPGs were closer to 95% gameplay.

Obviously not everyone enjoys the gameplay, especially on /vr/, but personally for most JRPGs I'm more interested in the gameplay than the shitty story. Xenogears is the exception there.

>>8647068
Not even. I loved the game when I was a teenager and thought it was ambitious.

I think if I were to return to it at 40 now, it would be fairly cringe-inducing, so I leave it as a memory.

I played it back in the date when my english was shit and I Was like 17 and dumb.
Since I cant stand the rpg gameplay anymore and I wanted to experience the story alyway, I watched the complete story on YouTube. It Was a great experience, it really is good.

>>8648369
Yeah, JRPGs got better over time because they told more in-depth stories. In fact, they got worse after 5th gen because jap studios could no longer support games of that scope.

>>8648441
So you don't even know what the story is about, but you know it's cringe. Got it.

I'm sorry to say this, but if you found the plot of Xenogears to be profound or well written in any way shape or form, then you have a low IQ. That's just the way it is.

>>8649140
Midwit take

>>8647240
Have you seen the last few episodes of Evangelion?

>>8649128
No they got worse. They forgot how to balance instead storyfaggotry with gameplay, FFVII is one of the few that actually pulls it off.

>>8649283
*increased storyfaggotry

>>8649129
learn to read, dipshit

>>8649283
>storyfaggotry with gameplay
That's what a JRPG is...

>>8649304
I did, you literally don't know what it's about.

>>8649404
There's a huge difference between having 15 minutes of combat and dungeon crawling as a break between 2-hour story segments, and being rewarded with a 5-10 minute cutscene after 2 hours of combat and dungeon crawling.
I really hate stupid idiots like you.

>>8649497
>15 minutes of combat and dungeon crawling as a break between 2-hour story segments
Literally no game is like that

Problem for me always was that the story takes forever to get going, I'd say more than 3/4 of disc 1 is just pointless shit that just takes forever to go through. Then the end of disc 1 and all of disc 2 is just a bizarre fever dream where the writers turned everything up to 11 and had some of the dumbest twists and explanations I could possibly think of. I'm glad some people liked it, but based on the last sections of the game, I can't in good faith recommend it to others. There's just better games to play out there with better overall combat and a story that actually engages you the whole time.

It was also annoying how they teased a million things and intentionally left stuff blank like with those computers for the entirity of disc 1, only to just flip a switch and reveal everything with disc 2.

>>8649140
I've noticed that the only people who bring up IQ, specifically those who tell other people that they have a low IQ, are often stupid. What's up with that?

>>8649570
>3/4 of disc 1 is just pointless shit
I think you didn't understand the structure of the plot, if you feel that way. The point of the story isn't just the ending, but rather the way in which the story is told. To summarize without spoiling it for anyone else, it's supposed to be an odyssey.

>>8649589
What the fuck is this level of cope? I didn't enjoy the story because it dragged ass at times while other times it was reasonably fine. The point of the story has to have build and it has to have a proper ending, you cannot just dismiss this shit as some allegory and pass that off as fine. Do you genuinely believe that xenogears is just special and allowed to not be good because you think it's some high IQ story or something? I keep seeing people dismiss major complaints that people have and instead say how it's supposed to be like that.

No point arguing with people who defend disc 2 in its entiriy. Have fun replaying the game anon, once was enough for me and hopefully I can convince people not to waste dozens of hours of their life on this shit. Thankfully emulators exist though.

I will play Xenogears and report back to the thread with my findings. I will be able to determine if the game is objectively good or not.

>>8649613
I don't think you know what allegory means.

Reading the naysayers' comments in this thread makes me now unironically believe that Xenogears is too high IQ for them.

>>8649627
Same here. All of the complaints seem to be related to how they couldn't focus on the story.

>>8649408
there's no way you made it through the game with that low level of reading comprehension

>>8649618
It's objectively a clusterfuck the question is whether you like the parts that make it better than most other JRPGs or if the flaws are deal-breakers.

>>8649551
Beginning of FF9 is.

>>8649760
I can tell I'm going to enjoy it a lot.

>>8649760
>the question is whether you like the parts that make it better than most other JRPGs or if the flaws are deal-breakers.
i can agree with this. for some, the flaws are unbearable; and for others, they are incredibly minor issues that the high points of the game shine right through and make disappear.

Xenogears a shit, got no tit, would rip off its own clit. This game is truly for fuckwits

>>8649687
We shouldn't be fighting. I should be donating to charities for people like you.

>>8650014
everyday, bro.

>>8651616
The Eternal has nothing on the hate I have for this game anon. I will be here...forever.

>>8652063
Your fucking retarded this is the best game on ps1. If your to stupid to understand then watch resonant arc on YouTube explain it. Imagine having a low iq and not liking xenogears

>>8646386
You really need to get a hobby.

>>8652148
Xenogears a shit

>>8653168
Xenogears a hit

>>8653609
Xenogears for twits

>>8649259
Yes and before you say ANYTHING: Eva did it better.

>>8649627
>>8649628
>Sitting through a 60+ hour JRPG with static sprites texting you the plot at a nauseatingly slow speed while the camera occasionally circles around the scene to let you know the game's still running as if something is happening and if you've been a good boy enough to stick with it, you get to play the game again with sporadic encounter rates where you watch characters take turns stepping up the cardboard to break dance for several minutes means your "High IQ"
You dropped your brainjak.

wew so deep

>>8649613
>I keep seeing people dismiss major complaints that people have and instead say how it's supposed to be like that.
If anyone ever makes that statement, have them play Y2K: A Postmodern RPG, pre and post patch. It's an extremely flawed indie RPG where most of the design decisions that plagued it are supposedly intentional and has gotten such a bad rap over the years, one of the devs was so butthurt about it, he went back and changed several aspects of the supposed flaws people had with the game to try and win people over into playing it.

It's like if Xenogears and Paranoia Agent had a baby and that baby is the modern day equivalent of a Zoomer that discovered /vr/, grew up with the modern SMT Personers and took 1 semester of Philosophy, believing themselves to be a genius.

>>8654034
well of course, xeno was copying the idea
EVA originated it

>>8654034
thats why eva is so boring?

>>8641995
This game is possibly one of the best attempts at "I want to be a super deep symbolic story AAFDSLSJLKAJ Successor Nadesico" ever made, and while the story doesn't quite manage to be "A super-deep-story about the meaning of humanity, god, life and why we exist and the thing" completely as it Xenogears would like, here's the thing, all the stories that tried to be that failed miserably and they seem to me much worse than Xenogears, so what makes Xenogears special isn't that it's a story that directly manages to be the "THE super-deep-humanity-story with Mechas™" is looking to be as I said, but that it's literally the closest we've gotten to a story doing that. So seems to me basically like the best attempt on that category.

And there is a pretty simple and basic reason for that, the reason why Xenogears is light years away from things like Evangelion, and that Xenogears instead of obsessing over its symbolism, artistic/philosophical message or how much history deconstructed a supposed genre and all that pretentious bullshite, Xenogears HAS funkin characters and their journey through story is the focus, not something that is left in a second place.

One of my problems with Evagenlion is that it was so obsessed with Shinji's psychological deconstruction, that Shinji ends up becoming more of an idea/concept than a character, because the plot is Shinji thinking shit non-stop and never coming to a conclusion with his thoughts.

In Xenogears, on the other hand, every one of those things that some people call 'the philosophical/muhdeep pretentious garbage' isn't used as the entire reason for the story, but as something to enhance its Scale and make you see the dimension of everything both on a universal scale and on a personal level for the Characters.

>>8655060
(2nd part)

Because what Xenogears is looking for with its story is to make you feel that the story is 'the biggest ever told', and make you feel like, you consumed in 50+ hours literally millions and millions of years of a story, and yet, the story somehow manages to keep its main characters somewhat involved in all of this on a personal level.

The true center of the story is a love story between two people who have been in a constant cycle looking for each other, loving each other through multiple lives, and they have never been able to satiate that love, because they live trapped in this cycle as they are constants of life.

If that description doesn't give you goosebumps, my first thought is that you are stupid and you like Boku no Hero Academia, or as I call it, Boku Shi, because I prefer that forever to Shinji jerking off and showing me his cum.

Now the story has STUPID things?? Yes if have them, to name a few:

>One of the plot points is that a certain character, is also a certain other character, for some reason this is presented in the game as some great mystery that the characters can't solve, when we literally see... that character, transform into that other character, in front of us...lol, making all the ' muh mystery' scenes REALLY unnecessary.

>At a certain point in the story it is revealed that 3 different characters were the same person, and this isn't just unnecessary, it also happens at a point that it seemed that the game wanted to throw plot twist non-stop at you to blow your mind, when all the plot-twists prior to this one were fine, this last one was uhm yeah a huge "Ehm...ok..."

There are also some plot points that are abandoned, and some of the characters at the end have no purpose or use whatsoever, like Rico. So yes, the game isn't perfect.

But here's the thing, many of the flaws this game has, many other long Jrpgs from this era, or even that came out before or after Xenogears, ALSO have the same flaws.

>>8655070
(3/3)

Which makes me see the comments about the game's flaw a bit ridiculous for me desu, I mean, is Final Fantasy 7 or Valkyrie Profile supposed to have fewer flaws than this game? Yeah no, a Flawless JRPG with not bullshit isn't a thing that exists yet.

As everybody is going to tells you, the CD2 is a 'visual novel' more than anything, because most of it is just text, not the finale thou, some people hate this, I don't, do you know why? because I didn't play this shit for gameplay really, which still was cool enough.

TL;DR Xenogears is cool, Evangelion is trash.

>>8655075
Godtier posts. Good job anon. I am Op and I think you summed it up.

>>8655060
>>8655070
>>8655075
Xenogears a shit.

>>8654236
Xenogears pays homage to dozens of mecha series. It's a love letter to the genre like no other.

>>8649613
I think he meant that in addition to the main story the game also wants to make you feel that you are exploring and getting to know different parts of the world. even if its environments were ps1 sized I really enjoyed exploring places like the thames and shevat. I guess you have to be a sci-fi fan to enjoy xenogears.
>>8655060
>>8655070
Yeah I agree. I think comparisons to xenogears and evangelion are kind of stupid because their stories are different in almost every way. it also felt more hopeful than evangelion since they actually manage to save the world while in evangelion the main characters get beaten pretty badly.

>>8655060
>THE super-deep-humanity-story with Mechas™
Xenogears isn't trying to do that. It's an epic.

>>8656378
>I guess you have to be a sci-fi fan to enjoy xenogears.
Pretty much. What makes it unique and pleasurable is that it's one of the best examples of mecha sci-fi ever made. If that doesn't turn you on, you won't be motivated to dig into the intricate plot.

>>8656382
I think the discussion fei had with krelian at the end of the game was deep.
>>8654034
This is a stupid comparison because evengelion uses it's asides to show what is going on in shinjis mind while xenogears uses them to say what is going on in the story as time passes. Furthermore I don't really agree that disc 2 would be better if those sections were playable as the scenes fei narrates over are just them revisiting locations from disc one. Besides the game does open up again once you get to the snowfield hideout. Though I wish they added more side quests like in chrono trigger.

>>8656406
I didn't mean to imply that it has nothing at all to say. It's not Dragon Quest.

It's interesting how the Xeno series never really matched up to Gears despite better technology.

Xenogears
>deepest lore
>fun adventures not deeply tied to the grand plot
Xenosaga
>deep-ish lore
>no fun adventures
Xenoblade
>basically final fantasy in lore depth and structure

What are some other jrpgs like xenogears?
>>8656461
is xenosaga really that boring? I am at the beginning on the ship and it seems to be interesting my only complaint is how it drops you into the world with little information.

>>8656508
>is xenosaga really that boring?
the Xenosaga series are decent games, but poor attempts at recreating the Xenogears magic. If you're looking for more of what made Xenogears great, Xenosaga doesn't really deliver it. that's the main issue.

>>8656508
It's a PS2 JRPG, so you're ushered from hallway to hallway with cutscenes in between. It's fairly rote, because as I said, there are no segments of the story that are not directly related to the grand plot. You'll never have an awesome chapter like Thames or niche locations like Dazil.

As the XS series goes on, they remove more fun stuff such as the Virtua-On style minigame in XS1 (clearly an attempt to recreate Battling from XG). I would rather replay Xenogears ten times than replay XS once.

>>8656532
Best summary of xenosaga I've ever read

xeno a shit

>>8656406
Opening up at the end would have been better if the plot hadn't involved a mutant apocalypse.

>>8658595
Yeah Xenogears is my favorite RPG but the overworld feels sad and empty at the end, despite the awesome hidden dungeon. It only bothered me the first time I played it, though. Now I kind of appreciate it.

>>8658674
If you only knew how much was cut.

>>8658595
I agree I also would have liked it if there was some sort of epilogue where they rebuild civilization. It was very jarring for bart to start a republic only for his kingodm to get immediately shitcanned by deus

>>8643878
most people can't actually read/ don't know what words mean and make stuff up to fill it in.

>>8645239
>The build-up to several mysteries/characters lost all their weight once the twists were revealed
how do you deal with life knowing you die at the end?

>>8658875
We are all going to find out soon so...meh. Look on the bright side. Zeboim got neutron'd by the Sodom (fuckers cut this, it was the city Fei and Bart found old man Bal exploring that itself was glassed by Zeboim) civ. and there was something to explore, maybe same can be said for us.

>>8658765
I do, I do.

>>8658778
I'd like to think that they could restore people back to normal nanomachines, son

>>8658674
I remember thinking the cataclysm in FFVI seemed a bit underwhelming after the fact. The map changed but most of the towns and NPCs were preserved intact. Meanwhile Xenogears didn't fuck around. They said they were killing everyone so pretty much everyone fucking died and by the end, almost nothing meaningful is left from the original world you adventured in.

>>8660158
Yeah, it certainly works with the story, even if we know that they could have added more stuff but didn't due to time constraints. However, between the hidden dungeon, Battling, and the two special islands, I'm actually pretty happy with what's there.

>>8659068
they all got absorbed by Deus. They're done. They went walking with god.

Xeno a shit

>>8641995
i've decided to try it again recently. is there a way to speed up text? it is painfully slow

>>8661804
there are rom hacks that do just that, either slightly faster or super fast for speedruns.

>>8661634
But kadomony survived the fighting so mabye they could create clones? IDK how they would power it since deus is gone but its possible they could have gone that route in the sequel. IDK I do not remember the story that well.

>>8661634
That's not God.

Looks like I upset a janny ITT, pruned most of my comments after getting btfo.
>to reiterate
Xenogears is typical trash-tier animu writing.
Play the game for the pretty pictures and sounds, you don't need to pretend the writing is good.

>>8661860
>But kadomony survived the fighting so mabye they could create clones?
as I recall, Kadomony got used up 10K years before the game, when Miang made Cain, the gazel, and a few hundred/thousand other people with it. it's just a rusty pile of scrap on that hilltop now.

>>8662845
There's a lot of good and bad in the writing, and the good is head and shoulders above most JRPGs. It's definitely not typical animu writing, at least not that you ever see in an RPG.

Check out Arc Resonant's massive 20 part analysis on YouTube. Also, install Gentoo.

>>8641995
The story is nonsense. It's a total clusterfuck and the script is completely unfinished. The story doesn't even start until disc 2. Then it just dumps exposition on you for several hours.
You need several other sources to make sense of it, like books and wikis etc.
It's a complete and utter mess.

Having said that the first disc is wonderful and absolutely worth playing, even if it did completely ripoff the combat system from legend of legaia....

Xenogears a shit.

>>8664643
xenogears came out 9 months before legend of legaia you tit

>>8664989
Get a life, incel loser.

Xenobros, we can't stop winning.

>>8664643
You don't need outside sources to understand the story. Unless you're retarded I guess.