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>>8621367
it do tho

I'm trying to figure out why you might feel this way. Is it the color palette? The music? Or do you feel that caves themselves aren't very Sonic-y?

That isn't necessarily a bad thing.

>>8621412
Spooky Hill Zone

>>8621412
I can't pinpoint why, it's a mix of a lot of stuff. The wood crates, the rails, tile design, it's like it's too "human", or like it belongs to another game. Music is kinda spooky too and doesn't fit the usual Sonic tunes (although Sonic 2 in general has some weird OST)

yeah, it's a little uncanny like the game gear sonic games. the crates might be the most glaring part, but it doesn't have any long sweeping motions and the vertical axis feels a little compressed. sonic usually has more open space. I do think it's one of the best sonic 2 levels though.

>>8621367
>16x9

Hope you didn't cheat to get unlimited time as super sonic other wise it game over

All the metal used to build stuff in the sonic world has to come from somewhere, I figured it was just a mine

>>8621367
Nah mystic cave is sweet. Sonic 2 is nice that they tried for some variation before leaning into making the same game over and over

>>8621367
Let me guess, you think Sonic is "le realism" ala the Adventure era games, don't you?

>>8621530
Did you even read this post >>8621439 or are you shitposting? I implied it feels too realistic for Sonic.

>>8621549
>Did you even read this post
No, since just the OP statement was too retarded to consider other retarded posts in the thread
>I implied it feels too realistic for Sonic.
How the absolute fuck could you think that with neon green rocks and radiant purple crystals? Is just seeing infrastructure of a mining operation enough to make you question how "realistic" it is?

Have you ever seen an ACME cartoon before?

>>8621439
>, it's like it's too "human"
Eggman is human retard, as far as we know he did all of that

And we already know Sonic's world had humans in the jap canon, even if they did a piss poor job at communicating that as a fact, but the point stands, what games do you seriously think Sonic has absolutely no "Earthly" ties to it? Because that is what I would call a non Sonic game then.

>>8621367
I believe the manual said it was an ancient excavation site for iron dug by the Digging Dominicans.

I think what might be throwing OP off is Sonic doesn't usually have spooky/Halloween themed stages. When you think of Halloween, the last thing you think of is Sonic. But, I think Mystic Cave is fine as a one-off.

>>8621367
It's got that negative energy

>>8621367

It has my favourite music track from Sonic 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVEyGntyOZQ

Sonic 2 in general has a bit of a strange feeling about it, which was probably the Western influence. Like Chemical Plant Zone with the city in the background, that looks like it belongs in Streets of Rage, or having a level set on an oil rig.
The other 16-bit era Sonic games are more based around natural feeling environments, ancient ruins, and high tech sci-fi. The only thing that stands out to me is Carnival Night Zone in Sonic 3, which was basically a repeat of Casino Zone.

>>8622825
Chemical Plant is the best level of any Sonic game. Everything about it is on point.

>>8622827
Yeah, but it's a very tonally different environment to what Sonic 1 or Sonic 3 present.

>>8622829
I don't feel like Chemical Plant is that out there. It's just a continuity of the city setting of Spring Yard or Star Light

but WHO worked in the mystic mines?

>>8623468
The Danish Dwarves

>>8621367
Yeah, S2 is a kinda shit game but that's due to American involvement, so no surprises

>>8621474
The superior way to play 2D Sonics

>>8623468
The Burrowing Bavarians

>>8623828
I know it's bait but Sonic 2 is certainly better than 1/CD

>>8622739
2 player version was better
reminds me of Toad Turnpike
https://youtu.be/YKuPQzhk8rY?t=1925

>>8624079
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>8622825
>Like Chemical Plant Zone with the city in the background, that looks like it belongs in Streets of Rage

>>8623832
Correct

>>8621439
Weird. What other stages would be in that ballpark? Only ones that are "close" that I can think of are
>Spring Yard
>Labyrinth
>Lava Reef
>Endless Mine
>Press Garden

>>8624148
kek

2P music > 1P music.

>>8623468
The Tunneling Turks

>>8623468
The Gimping Gauls

>>8621367
The music always sounded like bootleg NES shit to me. Not Genesis quality at all.

Pee-poo-peeee-pooooo-durun-dun-dun...

>>8623468

Game theory: Mystic Cave is located somewhere at Pumpkin mountains

All the miners are died and turned into ghosts

>>8621367
>that based inspector gadget track tho

>>8621564
>And we already know Sonic's world had humans in the jap canon
Can you sauce me on this? It was my understanding that Eggman was the only human implied to exist before the Adventure games.

>>8625265
There's been plenent of Adventurefags posting Japanese manuals from the classic era impling humans always existed

I don't personally care about that, since they weren't in the final product, they don't matter to me. But in truth, SA1 implies humans always existed as Japs wanted Sonic on Earth, not some planet named Mobius. Imo I never liked the name Mobius, and don't mind it being called Earth, I just hate that Eggman is a cartoon human with cartoon animals like Sonic, but real life humans or anime humans are meant to make up the rest of humanity. It's clearly shows a lack of creativity and is lazy af to me.

>>8625371
Agreed.

>>8621367
>Level is beautiful
>Jammin' music
>Fun mechanics
>Cool boss
Great level though. One of my favs in Sonic 2 and the Genesis saga as a whole.

>>8625016

I never played much of Sonic 2 but Sonic 3&K Endless mine reminds me of Mystic Cave for whatever reason

its music and the fact it was a 2P only level is pure soul imo
https://youtu.be/QKq1isT2JBA?t=18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SKcTZNeRnQ

(Chrome gadget also gets a special mention for being almost vaporwavey and also another great 2P only course
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BybffkqYOVI&))

>>8622825
>>8622829

You're right it has a negative emotional aura surroundng it.

>>8621367
The level is more like a Sonic 1 stage than a Sonic 2 one (more focused on tricky platforming), which makes it a lot harder and it doesn't have many areas where you can speed around. That's about the only way it stands out. Graphically it's not much different than, say, quartz quadrant or lava reef.

The music is strangely whimsical too.

>>8625740
I get that vibe from sonic 3 onwards, sonic 1 and 2 are positive

>>8625740
>>8625862
Extremly based posts.

3&K=Mania>2>1>CD>Shit>3D Sonic.
Sorry but it's the truth.

>>8625956
To elaborate 3&K,2,and Mania understood that what made Sonic 1 good was the platforming aspect, CD made the mistake of thinking it was the Metroid like quality of the levels and tried to make it some kind of exploration game.
2 only ranks 2rd because it falls off severely in the second half. Oil Ocean, Metropolis and Sky Chase are all mediocre and have meh music.

>>8625973
I can’t agree with Metropolis Zone having mediocre music. The level itself total is though.

Is Mystic Cave making zoomers cry and shit their pants now?

>>8625602
Fair enough. I remembered that just being stars in the background.

>>8625973
Oil Ocean and Metropolis are hard, semi-final levels, where you can see shit getting serious. You aren't in natural places now but polluted cities.
Sky Chase is a break from all of that where you just get to chill. They are all fine, except for Metropolis having 3 acts which was a big fuck you moment.

For me it's because I never actually reached Mystic Cave as a kid.

So nowadays I frequently START Sonic 2 playthroughs as Mystic Cave just for fun.

>>8627424
>Oil Ocean and Metropolis are hard

>>8628306
They are, compared to the first parts of the game. They require more precise platforming, have more annoying traps, good luck trying to kill that crab badnik without getting hit, etc.

>>8628330
10yo me laughs at you from the past

>>8627424
Oil Ocean was easy as fuck. Even at 4 years old I realized you could skip most of the level by jumping through the oil running across the bottom of the level.

>>8625265
OVA

>>8621439
I wonder if maybe the tileset for this stage is not "lit up" the same way as other stages. To me, the foreground tiles have a sort of dull lighting to it where in other tiles, the lighting contrast is sharper.

>>8628391
That doesn't work reliably, there's a part where you are blocked and you have to mash jump because you can only pass it while already half-submerged. So you either mash or die. Plus the hit detection of the Sonic games has always been fucked so sometimes you die randomly in the oil.

>>8628306
They’re not hard but they are fucking drab. Metropolis is fine but goes on an act too long and Oil Ocean is just boring as sin

>>8628785
ok pleb

>>8628807
I bet your least favourite zone is Hill Top. Don’t even speak to me

>>8628814
Hill Top sucks ass faggot

>>8628990
Not him but lmao, another pleb filtered.
Current /vr/ is full of really awful children.
Let me guess, you hate Labyrinth Zone too.

>>8628990
Embarrassing. Go back to gushing about Green Hill is the peak of platforming on /v/. We all love Marble, Labyrinth and Hill Top here, cunt

>>8628996
Labyrinth Zone sucks ass faggot
>>8629046
I fucked your mum last night

>>8629050
You can do that but can’t beat Labyrinth Zone? How embarrassing!

>>8629050
>gets filtered by based Labyrinth
>types like a 12 year old
This shit writes itself.

>>8629050
>dislikes the one stage in the game that makes you think ahead and carefully platform instead of just holding right to win
You love to see it

>>8629135
>the one stage
>holding right to win
it's like you've never even played the game dumb fuck

>>8629141
It’s like you never even got past the second zone! Post back when you’ve beaten the game (with all the chaos emeralds), then we’ll talk

>>8629172
Children's game, anon. It's a game for little toddlers.

>>8629194
And yet you haven’t beaten it

why is it that, over the years, zoomers get more and more filtered by Sonic 1 and 2 aka the best ones in the series?
What changed in recent years? Has Sonic Mania done irreparable damage?

>>8629224
Sonic Mania would be a perfect ten if the stages consisted of Marble, Labyrinth, Scrap Brain, Oil Ocean, Metropolis, Sky Chase, Wing Fortress, Carnival Night, Sandopolis and half of CD for good measure

I don't understand how anything in Sonic can be out of place. The whole series is a collection of weird and surreal lands.

>>8629224
>zoomie zoom zoom

>>8629246
This is true for the retro games, but Adventure started doing shit like having Sims-looking humans in them.

>>8629224
There's nothing wrong with Mania, as even that game filtered normalfags
Also, thready reminder

>>8629246
>The games post S3K are random shit, therefore no one should be mad about inconstancy!!!

mystic cave SLAPS

>>8625862
Now this is an interesting post. 2 is my favourite and I'd agree. Something about the combination of pre-rendered sprites, the UI graphics and the music -particularly in S&K- made it feel much more serious. Can't quite describe the idea though.

>>8629545
>Here's a tas that no normal player will ever be able to achieve.

>>8629647
3 tries to be more epic and spectacular. 2 is more "funky", I guess.
1 is interesting in terms of tone. It's a lot more understated. I think of the special stage theme, which rather than being exciting, is more melancholy. A lot of that game has almost a wistful feel to it, actually.

>>8629657
>TAS
Prove it

>>8629842
You posted the video and implied it's doable by a player, the burden of proof is on you.

>>8629657
what are you talking about, this is how I do marble zone.

>>8629942
That's not how that works
And I can do mostly that most of the time playing the game, but I guess if I cant do that all the time it's not "intended game design" and that "classic sucknic is trash compared to le heckin adventurekino"

Fuck off. Stop being nigger brained playing classic video games.

>>8629545
gotta go fast

>>8623468
The Excavating Egyptians

>>8629545
Ah, yes. Everyone who tries the game for the first time will experience this.

>>8630187
Nigger fuck off, only good players are allowed to play Sonic. Fuck off to mobile shit

>>8630198
I too predict platforms I've never seen.

>>8630205
Please just get good goddamn.
Zoomers were a fucking mistake being allowed on this board.

>>8630220
so much this