/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8618405
>I'm having a hard time seeing how an original Genesis setup would be much better.

It is 100% accurate and has a side of soul.

>>8618405
Do you use a CRT? If yes then yes it’s worth it

>>8618405
Kind of?
You’ll run into the issues of worse video and audio output unless you do a hardware mod so beware of that

>>8618415
You don’t need to mod a model 1 for decent video or audio output. It supports RGB and stereo audio natively

>>8618414
I use a VGA CRT for retroarch and a consumer TV over component for emulators on the Wii
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>>8618418
with the model 1 is it as simple as buying a set of component cables? I get the appeal of original hardware but it would be around $300+ for a console and flashcart versus the already decent setup I have.

>>8618405
i mean it depends
its obviously cheaper to go the emu route

but if you have a decent tv with RGB in then id say go for it
shit looks reeeeeeel nice with RGB

>>8618418
A model 1 will still have noise on the image and some distortion in the audio, even if you get the best revision of the model 1

>>8618423
It won’t output component natively, only analog RGB, but there are cables that convert to component inline.
On a VGA monitor I guess you’d need to have a good upscaler

>>8618410
>accuracy
i mean i agree opie should get real hardware
but genesis was never a difficult system to emulate
its been more than good enough for like 15+ yrs at this point

>>8618437
My TMSS model 1 has clean video and the audio sounds great.

Lads
I like old video game hardware

>>8618525
Me too man.
I used to have a Genesis 2, 32X and Sega CD model 2 but had to sell it to make ends meet back in 2017. I got more than what I paid for the whole setup, but I still miss it. I'm in a much more financially stable position in life now and I keep going back and forth on replacing it.
I'd probably just buy a Genesis or Mega Drive and a Mega SD this go around.

>>8618405
IMO yes. If you're a fan of genesis games, of course. The main reason being the sound. Even decent modern emulators still have a lot of trouble replicating the system's FM synth. Emulated genny games often sound harsh and scratchy. My model 1 sounds incredibly smooth in comparison.
The fact that you can get a non-chinkshit everdrive for like 40 bucks and it can play every game except virtua racing seals the deal. And this is just a minor thing but I love the genesis controller and dislike having to use anything else when emulating

>>8618437
I have two model 1 gennies and they both produce crystal clear RGB video. They have jailbars on composhit, or using RGB cables that use sync-on-compositre, but with good cables using CSYNC, no such issues.

My VA4 model 2 does have jailbars even with CSYNC RGB, but all I needed to do was lift one pin on the CPU to fix it

>>8618423
>300 dollars
Huh? a mega everdrive x3 is dirt cheap and I can't imagine genesis consoles costing hundreds. What are prices nowadays for consoles?

>>8618575
>Emulated genny games often sound harsh and scratchy. My model 1 sounds incredibly smooth in comparison
This is an issue with C64 emulation as well. Emulated SID sounds scratchy and compressed, it lacks the dynamic range of the real thing.

>>8618441
>its been more than good enough
If you don't mind <100% accuracy, sure. Software emulation will never be perfect, no amount of time will change that.

No. You'll notice pretty much no difference, aside from how the MD's pad feels worse than the Saturn one.

If you absolutely have to play on a CRT, as in, you happen to own a Konami Justifier and you REALLY want to play Lethal Enforcers or Snatcher with it, just get a MiSTer. Boots faster than an Everdrive, costs less, and you can switch between audio filters and sound chip emulation. Oh, and you also get a dozen other consoles that you don't have to buy and get flashcarts for.

>>8618679
>MD's pad feels worse than the Saturn one
the 6 button pad certainly does not

>>8618405
>Is it worth picking up a Genesis and Mega SD/Everdrive Pro if I already have a good retroarch and Wii emulation setup?
Genesis emulation doesn't even compare to a real Genesis. So yes.

>>8618784
why are SEGA fanboys like this

>>8618789
>why are SEGA fanboys like this
Why are emuniggers like this? Your software emulators are not, and will never be, as good as real hardware. Especially when it comes to emulating the YM2612.

the one bad part is the 25 or so Genesis hardware revisions all with varying video and sound quality

>>8618794
>emuniggers
I use a model 1 jap MD
you are just deluded
NES sound isn't accurate either, until you use a low pass filter and just like the MD it all of a sudden sounds accurate

>>8618575
>The fact that you can get a non-chinkshit everdrive for like 40 bucks and it can play every game except virtua racing
On that note there's around 70 SNES games that use cartridge chips so you can't play those on a flash cart.

>>8618807
Are there flashcarts that emulate the chips via FPGA yet?

>>8618805
>NES sound isn't accurate either, until you use a low pass filter
I can't comment on Mega Drive sound but emulated NES sound doesn't seem any different from the real thing as far as I can detect.

https://yoyofr.proboards.com/thread/2130/list-special-chipsets-games

Here's all SNES games with cartridge chips. Many of these are useless sports games or common US carts but there are some RPGs in here that sadly can only be played on emulation unless you have the actual cartridge and read moonrunes.

>>8618810
? why would you want that

>>8618840
so you can play e.g. Super FX games from a flashcart.
Everdrive N8 uses FPGA to emulate the FDS and its sound hardware, plus mapper hardware and extra sound hardware cartridges had.

>>8618850
Both SD2SNES and FXPAK PRO already do this and more

i have a genesis in a box that i haven't bothered to buy a flashcart for, i just use the wii and it works great for me

>>8618789
Replicating the MD's ym2612 is a notorious issue in emulation

>>8618807
Yeah I know. If you want a comprehensive flashcart solution for SNES you need to spend like 200 on an SD2SNES or equivalent. But since genesis didn't rely on addon chips, a simple cheap no-frills everdrive does everything you need

Of course you can spend extra for one of those fpga sega cd carts but that's another matter

>>8618894
not really, there are just rabid fanboys that complain about it
use the correct sample rate and it works fine

>>8618903
as anon said, there's only 72 games that use cartridge chips and many of them are shovelware sports shit. only if you want to play the 10 or so RPGs that use SuperFX or whatever.

>>8618903
>But since genesis didn't rely on addon chips
>Rely
ok?
but the MD had the Mega CD, 32x and the SVP chip

>>8619070
Nintendo were a little smarter about this by sticking add-on chips in the carts instead of forcing you to buy a giant expensive peripheral for a handful of games.

>>8619075
Kind of, most of those special chip games were a little more expensive for the developer and subsequently the consumer

>>8619050
Sadly inevitable. They spent a lot of R&D money on SuperFX so they had to recoup their investment by making a shitload of sports games since those were pretty much ATM machines.

>>8619086
>recoup their investment
I would've thought Star Fox and Yoshi's World recouped enough of the cost

>>8619075
For the most part, Sega didn’t have to, because the system was fast enough on its own. But they did do it once with Virtua Racing.
32X was not your typical coprocessor and was meant to be a hardware upgrade like PS4 Pro.

>>8619109
that is literally barely any difference in functionality to the SNES
games that needed addons to work

>>8619117
>functionality
Tell me you don’t know anything about the architecture without telling me you don’t know anything about the architecture.

>>8619128
So you could play Snatcher on the MD without buying a a Mega CD back in the day, good to know

>>8618827
>neat, Mini Yonku Shining Scorpion sounds interesting and...
>racing game, dammit
>how about Kakinoki Shogi?
>Mahjong bullshit
Oh well, at least there's still Marvelous and Daikaijuu Monogatari 2.

>>8619143
the fact that expansion chips were wasted on at least several Mahjong games is very depressing

>>8619143
cool game and features a bunch of chibi Pokemon-esque characters. the best thing is it has no weeb/waifu/kawaii uguu pretentious trash like Square RPGs. just a fun little RPG with blobby monster dudes.

I grew up with a genesis and never really like it. The games were never even as fun as regular NES games. I actually bought a mega sg because of nostalgia but then remembered I don't really like much on it. To this day I don't get it

>>8619175
What an awful take.

>>8619143
>>8619162
>one single mahjong game and some shogi and go
westoids getting launched into orbit over board games again

>>8619175
What an excellent take.

>>8619050
I agree, but it's still a downside with SNES. Personally I just got a no frills super everdrive along with the super famicom games like yoshis island, rockman x3, kirby"s walking simulator, etc

>>8618405
Real hardware feels better, no lag, smooth responsive controls
>>8619175
Same, game library is a bit meh, I enjoyed playing Ristar though

>>8618812
>as far as I can detect.

We are glad you joined in for your anecdotal opinion. 4chan is 18+ btw.

>>8619175
I can see why you wouldn't like it, speaking as someone who is still a big fan to this day. It just happens to have a lot of my favorite 16 bit games and I'm a sucker for good FM synth

>>8619335
>It just happens to have a lot of my favorite 16 bit games and
While Sonic has never moved me that much, Boogerman, Garfield: Caught in the Act, and The Ooze are worth having a Genesis for.

>>8619351
I'm the basic bitch Genesis fan, myself. I love all four of the Sonic games (CD not as much, honestly), Super Hang-On, Gunstar Heroes, Alien Solider, Thunder Force III & IV, Dynamite Headdy, the Ghouls 'n Ghosts port, Gley Lancer, Phantasy Star IV, Landstalker, Rocket Knight Adventures... I like a lot of stuff from the library

>>8619175
The SNES otoh, its Western library is quite meh and flooded with mediocre licensed platformers. The Japanese library however could keep you occupied for a long long time with its huge collection of shmups, RPGs, strategy, and adventure games.

>>8619351
>Boogerman
why are people so in love with this mediocre le ebic 90s grossout humor meme game?

>>8619363
there is over 1700 SNES games the biggest library of any cartridge based console. ok it's probably more around 1000 once you disregard all the sports/mahjong shovelware.

Not OP but looking on Ebay it seems like the Genesis 2 is cheaper than the rest. If I want to buy one, is a 2 good? I was a poorfag that was Gameboy only for the first twenty years of my life, so I'm a bit out of the loop on the home console stuff I missed out on in my youth.

>>8619404
I don't know all of the details but supposedly one model in particular of the model 1 Genesis is the one with the best audio and video. I used to own a model 2 and loved it though; sounded and looked good to me

I agree with that anon who said emulation isn't the same as the real thing.

>>8619369
It’s actually pretty good in spite of the premise.

>>8619385
The SNES has more sports games than the Genesis, though sports shit is a bigger percentage of the latter's library. Also the large majority of Genesis sports games are Western-developed and there are only a handful of Japanese ones.

>>8619075
Not really. The internal chips seem like a more elegant and retard-proof solution, but the customer was getting fucked over by needing to keep paying a ton extra for these expensive chips. Say what you will about the 32X, but the concept behind it made complete sense. Why buy special co-processors for five different games rather than a single add-on whose processor enables the use of those five games? Buy one processor or buy that same processor five times over. 32X failed due to a number of reasons, timing mainly, but the concept was legit

>>8619404
Generally the Model 2 is less desired since it uses a different soundchip that generally lacks the punch of the model 1. However, that can vary between different internal revisions of the Model 2 as well. For instance, I have one that sounds pretty flat and nowhere near as good as a model 1. But I also have a model 2 with a smaller motherboard than usual inside, and it actually sounds pretty good. Model 1 still eeks it out but I really had to play them simultaneously to really notice. Still a really solid unit, and it's the one I keep hooked up to my CD/32X since that matches more.

Also there's an audio bypass mod you can install to get good sound out of any genesis, if you're into that.

>>8618405
If you're really into the console yes just make sure you don't pick up a VA7 model 1 the sound is no good.

>>8619497
both the CD and 32x cost more than the extra cost of the chipped games at the consumer level

>>8618405
Only if you can get the problem with your brain/eyes fixed so you can see

>>8619543
Both the Sega CD and 32X added more in terms of capabilities than any of the SNES addon chips. They were system upgrades.
Sega CD
>additional 68000
>CD storage
>PS1-style audio processor with multichannel PCM playback
>RAM upgrade
32X
>2x SH-2 CPUs like the Saturn
>additional VDP with bigger color palette and a framebuffer
>Qsound stereo PWM audio processor
>RAM upgrade
They were both very capable architectures, but their marketing was mismanaged and they were poorly supported by third parties. They were also more risky ventures compared to additional hardware in the cart

>>8618405
No, save that money for something better like Laseractive.

>>8618798
OP here, yeah this is kind of making me more weary of purchasing one, seems like a clusterfuck to sort out the different revisions and make sure I'm actually getting the right thing off eBay.
>>8618584
A model 1 is around $75-$100 on eBay and I wanted a flashcart capable of playing Sega CD games so that's at least $200 for the Mega Everdrive Pro.

>>8620871
>and I wanted a flashcart capable of playing Sega CD games so that's at least $200 for the Mega Everdrive Pro.
Sega CD is an entire different can of worms though. But yeah, doing FPGA emulation of the sega CD is going to set you back no matter what. Honestly not sure if it's worth it, but I got my CD unit years ago back when they were still inexpensive.
Still, I'm honestly shocked that geneses go for 100 bucks. I imagine the model 1s that say "HD graphics" go for even higher due to memes (people after all this time are still falsely under the impression that ones that don't say HD graphics have bad sound, which isn't the case at all. It's only a single revision with the bad sound chip, and it's easily identified by the placement of the power jack on the back)

>>8618405
No.

>>8620521
How does that dispute what I said
Also their “capability” has nothing to do with anything, the super-fx chip was very capable

>>8620871
If you can wait until Black Friday you should be able to get the Mega Everdrive Pro cheaper. Not sure if flashcarts ever go on sale otherwise though.

>>8618410
100% accurate farts

neat it's another thread where coomlectors try to justify their collection of rotting 30 year old plastic when they could play all those games on their phone instead

>>8621701
neat it’s another smartphone native who’s never experienced anything else and probably never will

>>8621701
Everyone is talking about flashcarts though, you absolute mong

>>8621701
bait

>>8621701

>>8621701
>rotting 30 year old plastic
Let's leave your mom out of this

>>8621701
you will always be poor.