/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8611371
It was gradual with each series of games, but became totally soulless once The Pokemon Company took hold in Gen5.

>>8611371
Vanished along with that art direction

>>8611371
It barely had any to begin with.
It was always just a cashgrab.

>>8611371
Money and soul are mutually exclusive

>>8611371
Straight into Mammon's gaping maw, through his guts, out of his asshole and onto the faces of countless people worldwide

>>8611371
There was so much soul

so so much soul

It hurts, but we will always have the soulful games from gen 1 and 2

Red
Blue
Yellow
Silver
Gold
Crystal
TCG GB game
Pokemon Puzzle League
Pokemon Snap
Pokemon Stadium 1/2

Kino for the soul

>>8611371
I want to go back

>>8611371
Pokemon was never good.

>>8611448
they were fine jrpgs for the gameboy

>>8611448
I think they were really solid children's games with fun multiplayer.

>>8611448
you did not form this opinion from actually playing the games, you formed it entirely from your own backlash to the popularity of the franchise

>>8611371
Obese pikachu is best pikachu.

>>8611480
I really wish they would have canonized fat and non-fat Pikachu's coexistence outside of the gigantamax thing in the most recent games. I wish they added more creature raising aspects to this series.

>>8611491
>fat Pikachu is a Kanto regional variant
>retcon this into LGPE
it was THAT EASY

>>8611447
my mom subscribed to TIME and when I saw this in the mailbox I hoarded it and read it over and over

>>8611479
This. Some people on this board are just the biggest no fun faggots. Keep your braindead crybaby opinions to yourself and dont bother to come into the thread.

>>8611371
I thought the soul was completely gone after the gba games. Lostly gone after yellow version to be honest

>>8611448
The girls were

>>8611541
I liked both generations of Sugimori art a lot. I really loved FR/LG

>>8611480
It was genuinely cuter, too. The 'people' who think the bobble-headed baby chimera version is cute have legitimate brain damage.

>>8611479
It's legitimately a poorly designed braindead series of games that was perpetuated solely by good marketing/branding, any random JRPG is better.

>>8611563
I agree that the marketing has a lot to do with it, but they're still pretty good games. I know I can't convince a contrarian such as yourself of that, but I felt like sharing my opinion. Please leave the thread.

>>8611563
But any random JRPG doesn't have 150 characters to generate and collect. And how many JRPGs have multiplayer?

>>8611563
>any random JRPG is better.
any random jrpg is not better than pokemon crystal you disingenuous piece of trash
i get you just hate pokemon for what it represents

>>8611563
The appeal is going on adventure with your trusty companions, and the sheer number of possible parties you can use, leading to replayability.

>>8611541
I loved the gen 3 art back when it came out but now it doesn't look as good

>>8611567
I don't agree with the other anon, I feel I'm a bit too old for pokemon nowadays (shin megami tensei is fine though) but more doesn't necessarily mean better

>>8611569
Pokemon crystal is literally a top tier JRPG, probably one of the best ever once consider its a handheld GBC game.

>>8611371
It is still (mostly) there, it's just you have grown up.
I know that feel, last Pokémon games I truly enjoyed were B/W, but I’m happy that kids continue to get into Pokémon with newer games (and I have a mild interest in that recent Arceus game, it looks fun).

Pokémon is enjoyable up till the DS games (Especially Mystery Dungeon), but Pokémon Go killed it

>>8611676
I was more pointing out it's not your standard JRPG and saying go play another like they're at all the same is dumb. Less or more doesn't really matter, the appeal is in capturing enemies to use against other enemies, friends IRL and trading. The assumption is that pokemon fans never played other JRPGs when other JRPGs aren't really the same.

>>8611696
IMHO the Pokémon games peaked at either Diamond/Pearl/Platinum or B&W.

>>8611948
Gen 5 was absolute trash, also not retro

>>8611447
>we live in the bad timeline where poliwhirl didn't become the mascot

>>8611371
They were told to make the same game over and over for 25 years so the products now very accurately resemble the result of people doing phoned-in work they would rather fucking die than spend an extra hour on than they have to, and the design decisions look like they were made by people from 20 years ago who've never been allowed to look beyond their own studio for that amount of time.

The few who do get to work on new projects unrelated to old run into walls - they are immediately deemed not successful because their profits aren't like Pokemon's, and their unevolved stone-age design paradigms don't get them anywhere critically either.

>>8612558
The non-Pokemon games by Gamefreak tend to be utter ass though. And it's not like they get just bad critical reception, even gaming journalists don't pay attention to these games.
I mean have you ever even heard of Giga Wrecker?

Living through pokemania is one of the brightspots of my life something I always look back on and can smile and say I was there. One of few things about my childhood that feels pure and I can look at without regret.

My grandma hated pokemon because she thought they were corrupting demons.

>>8612682
When Pokemania reached my country a few years later than the US it was gigantic too even if most people here couldn't afford Nintendo handhelds.

>>8612712
shoulda put out a ciggy in her cunt, that'll teach her

>>8611371
>pokemon SOULsilver
all the soul is in gen2

>>8612712
My childhood experience with Pokemon came after gen 2 was already out but I definitely had my brushes with satanic panic types that thought it was demonic well into like 2007. Nobody ever had anyhting to say about Yu-Gi-Oh! though, which is pretty funny given the blatant occult themes in that franchise

>>8612336
>mocked and belittled by my coworker after I said Diglet was my favorite pokemon
apparently these days, the only acceptable answer is fucking Pikachu.

>>8612859
Not retro, not gen 2, fuck off

>>8613412
SoulSilver is one of the best games in the series. Suck me from behind.

>>8611371
Game Freak sold their soul,
and became Game Normie

>>8611371
out the door at the beginning, there were supposed to be 7 versions, all the colors of the rainbow represented, but instead we got 2 + 1, and from there they just milked it

>>8612712
I wonder what she would say about SMT and Persona lol

>>8611371

>>8611385
fpbp

>>8612575
It didn't used to be that way. Quinty/Mendel Palace, Yoshi's Cookie and Pulseman were great. It seems like their sensibilities as conventional game devs were dulled over the years they were forced to make the same game over and over again.

>>8614026
Whoops, I meant Yoshi, not Yoshi's Cookie.

>>8611526
Cryboy malding that someone holds a different opinion to him.

>>8611385
Pretty much nailed it. But despite the fact that the sterilization started as soon as Yellow, I feel they really did improve in Gen 2 when it comes to injecting personality in the sprites. Lots of Gen 1 sprites are well done in this regard (Voltorb, Electrode, Snorlax) but Gen 2 is consistently dynamic.

>>8613567
>Catch 'em if you can!
>(You can't)

>>8614121
gen one sprites were truly atrocious. and why? it's not like you need more processing power to display a better-drawn sprite?

>>8611371
WHERE DID THE SOUL GO
WHERE DID THE SOUL GO
WHERE DID IT GO

OOOH-OH

WHERE DID IT GO

OH

WHERE DID THE SOUL GO

>>8615274
My best guess is that the sprites were based directly on the original designer's rough draft and that Sugimori simply didn't bother to clean them up until after the game was ready to be shipped.

>>8615287
Pokémon stadium uses the actual artwork used to create the trainer sprites. You have to keep in mind that these Pokémon designs were nearly final and they were scanned drawings and then pixelized. Green has some atrocious graphics, but Blue managed to fix a good number of them. GSC is when they had more final designs for the Pokémon and the artists had better skill, possibly drawn from scratch rather than pixelizing a drawing.

Just gonna leave this here.

>>8615287
yeah, Yellow is the only one with "official designs" (as for gen1), and then going forward from Yellow they made sure that the pokemon were on-model

>>8615274
>>8615287
Gen 1's designs were modeled after the sprites, not the other way around. So you had artists creating their own monsters directly on the canvas, with Sugimori coming in and trying to parse something out of it after the fact.
In some ways the sprites are more true to the original artist's vision, but some of them are seriously rough.

>>8612575
Yes, I even addressed that their non-Pokemon games show they have no idea what they're doing anymore because of how out of touch and out of practice they are.

>>8615287
The Red/Green sprites are the original designs. They were just designed to be sprites to begin with. Sugimori came in and created the "official designs" by interpreting those sprites (with the designer's help) into art that could look like a real creature.
So stuff like Charmeleon having a horn in Red and Green isn't a mistake, it's how it was designed before Sugimori changed that aspect. Or it was decided later to have it changed. The point is that it isn't "an early version", it's the original designs. There is a difference

>>8611385
Whether you liked it or not, they at least tried with Gen 5. Gen 1 and Gen 5 are the only gens to use an entirely new pokedex. But the "soul" that OP is referring to really died after gen 2. While gen 6 and on are just utter shit regardless of soul.

>>8615812
>Gen 1 and Gen 5 are the only gens to use an entirely new pokedex.
I like and appreciate a lot of things about Gen 5 but like half of its Dex is literally just ripoffs of pre-established Pokemon or continued examples of Dex tropes such as Route 1 Rodent and Birb that kinda suck. Gen 5 has some good mon designs but I feel like they should have moved to the smaller numbers of Gen 6 sooner and/or just started doing regional forms earlier instead of making ripoff mons

>>8615812
Except everybody complained about the new Pokedex and didn't like how all the old Pokemon were limited to post-game only, so B2/W2 caved to the old fogeys and threw Gen1-4 Pokemon everywhere.

I don't think that the talent or passion isn't there anymore, I think what happens with these franchises that become successful giants is that old business men in suits start meddling too much, making demands, changing things whether it is to cut costs or fit their personal tastes, set up tight deadlines for the creative team and etcetera.

This wouldn't be an issue if these same old business men didn't so often collude with the state to gain unfair advantage or prevent competitors from showing up with something better with things like IP and copyright laws for example, "state capitalism".

>>8611541
bimbofication

>>8615981
And this is why capitalism is shit. It sucks everything good out of everything.

>>8613567
Better than the original, "Dig 'em up, an' fuck 'em!"

>>8616086
Capitalism is the worst economic system.
Except for all the rest of them.

>>8612682
yup, wasn't even a Pokemon fan back then outside of the occasional anime watch (and saw the first movie) but it was a really nice time to see from afar. It's really painful to witness the modern pokemon franchise nowadays

>>8616086
It's not capitalism. I explicitly explained that it is collusion with the state. IP and copyright laws aren't free market.

>>8615961
I agree, though I despise regional forms

>>8615812
They tried to make a shit game
and they succeeded

>>8616086
The only good video game to not come out of capitalism is Tetris

>>8616490
Capitalism inspires corporations to take someone's idea, someone's genuine vision for something they put their heart into, whatever it is, from a movie to a video game, take whatever that is and use it and abuse it and take it from them and never stop exploiting it for profit

>My First RPG: Cockfighting Edition
>soul
>>>/vp/

>>8616592
As opposed to every other system where none of this would even be possible

>>8616592
You don't even know what capitalism is.

>>8615981
>>8616592
Retard

>>8611448
t. under 25 year old zoomer who didn't experience Pokemania

It left when Pikachu lost weight

>>8616680
Why is it always a pissing contest? Just because someone criticizes capitalism for something the rebuke is always YEAH WELL COMMUNISM
Meanwhile capitalism literally just outsources all production to the communist countries and makes them richer so it's literally the same bullshit

>>8616592
stop watching commie youtubers kiddo.

Why does someone want to talk about economic systems on /vr/ with half the facts so badly

illustrated physically in the real world vs by computer, also having to deal with very limited hardware. i think most "soul" arguments re: games involve these two things

>>8615329
>Comfy and easy to wear
DAMN FUCKING STRAIGHT

>>8618205
None of those countries are communist any more, Anon.

>>8611627
it looked good then because most of use thought it was (unironically) evolving into something really good, and it was just another bump on the way to an increase in quality.

little did we know that it would end becoming a stable of not only the franchise itself but most of Nintendo's series..

>>8612941
having Diklet as your favourite Pokemon is pretty fukkin funny tbf

>>8616143
Holy fuck. I laughed for like a full minute at this.

>>8618478
Well it's my bands name. It's actually on a list of the worst band names of all time top 100, I think.
Up there with Köttdeff ,Cumchrist and Avril Lavigne be my latrine.

>>8615329
kek been years since i've seen this one

>>8612941
How are you posting from jail? Or did you fail to meter out the correct punishment for mocking Diglet?

>>8611371
sterilized to appeal to soulless microtransaction phone npc audience.

>>8613412
Remakes are allowed on /vr/, keep coping you manchild.

>>8621345
Regular remakes and ports to newer hardware, yes, HGSS and ORAS are effectively new games in themselves though. Would you really think that ORAS discussion would be appropriate here?

>>8621359
There have been multiple threads here about the fucking FF7 remake, So yes.
Stop trying to be a backseat janny.

>>8613412
There's no point anon. The new rules have nuked any sort of useful distinction between what is or isn't retro anymore. Instead of being retro /vr/ is just /v/ but with a sprinkle of retro edge.

>>8615274
Oh look, its this faggot again. Gen 1 sprites have an enigmatic soul that zoom zooms can't fathom

>>8621857
trying too hard

>>8616031
what did he mean by this?

>>8611371
It started disappearing once the series moved to the Game Boy Advance.

>>8622049
That's also after Tajiri left. I don't think that's a coincidence.

>>8622049

>>8622173

>>8622183

>>8615274
That's one of the worse examples, but there's some incredible stuff in there too.

>>8616592
imagine being this retarded

>>8611563
Are you getting enough attention at home, Timmy?

>>8621857
I thought they were shit when I was nine, too.

>>8622305
Yeah, some of them were pretty good. There were some real stinkers, though. Apologies for double-post.

I've only ever played Blue on GBC, are any of the sequels worth playing? I didn't like the look of the new pokemon when I was 10

>>8622580
Gen II is great, an upgrade in all respects with only a couple of questionable monster designs. Gen III is where they start becoming a little, uh, abstract.

>>8622580
>>8622587
Also when you get to the 3D games they make all the models fat so they look more like their plushies, not even kidding.

>>8622580
Try Crystal or HeartGold/SoulSilver, Emerald, or Black/White. Recently been playing through the series after dropping it after completing Red as a kid. Just have the 3DS games left. Gen 6 seems ok but I hate how more 3D always makes games slower.

>>8622587
>>8622591
I've played Blue to death over the years but just never bothered with the sequels for some reason, I'll give a try soon I'm sure I'll get into it.
>3D pokemon
Do not want

>>8622596
Yeah, don't bother with the 3DPD ones.

>>8611371
It left when the 90's left.

>>8616592

Alright so I should become a communist because Pokemon games are bad?

>>8616592
You need to be 18 to post here. Go back to stealing your single mom's credit card to play gay chink impact.

>>8611371
Just take those old cartridges off the shelf
I'll sit and play 'em all by myself
Today's games ain't got the same soul
I like that old time game console

>>8612336
Poliwhirl sucked. That would have been so shit. Poliwag should have just evolved into Poliwrath with a water stone instead. Poliwhirl is literally just Poliwrath but rounder and shittier.

>>8622684
Also no fighting type.

depends on what youre talking about
if you mean sugimoris diet-toriyama artstyle which i strongly prefer to his more "developed" style then immediately
was used in the manga, and the instruction manual for gen1, and thats basically it. by gen2 this artstyle was gone forever

if you mean gameplay, then id say after/during gen3
imo the coolest thing about the old games that set it waaaay apart from other JRPGs was its relative lack of forced story events, and its WIDE open sense of progression. in the first two games, you basically get 2/3 badges and then the rest of the gym order is basically up to you. in R/S theres a bit more forced story bull, but still relatively open-ended compared to most JRPGs. once emerald came out that shit was ogre
TONS of forced story
forced legendary encounters before the E4
now EVERY game is
>sry bro theres a herd of psyducks shitting their pants. cant go this way
or
>lol teh powers out
etc

mechanic-wise for battles id argue the series actually only got better up to gen5, with gen2 -> gen3 being the most obvious improvement.
the introduction of fairy types absolutely fucked up the type chart tho
if you want a good team now, you NEED to build around dragon/fairy/steel and it basically knocked EVERY other type down at LEAST one rung
and then they had the balls to fucking BUFF it.
like i get it masuda, clefable was cool, but it could already just sit there and eat basically every atk in-game when it was a normal-type

>>8611385
idk about that
gen5 actually had some gorgeous spritework imo. fully animated too. in fact those games are imo the most pretty pokemon games by far. phenomenal sound-design too sans low-health music
the linearity of it really blows tho. you literally go clockwise in a circle

the obvious divide is the 2D -> 3D jump into gen6
a lotta mons look fucking terrible in 3D, and the basic-bitch re-used battle animations for every mon become that much more apparent

>>8622730
also:
i think a big part of why pokemon clicked so hard in the west was due to nobs translation
the difference between nob era 1 + 2 and beyond is notable.

JRPGs usually had fucking AWFUL translations in the 90s
then along comes some freelance dude whos a fan of the game, gets paid some (i assume) minuscule flat-rate, and yet he still puts his all into single-handedly making a really vibrant translation/localization
its even more impressive when you realize he had to basically truncate every NPCs dialogue and EVERY pokedex entry due to hiragana being denser than roman letters

nob seems like a cool guy
i always smile when i run into him and his machop in-game
i hope they eventually gave him more money cuz he literally built them an empire

>>8622596
if you liked gen1, youll like gen2
its basically just better (the level scaling is retarded tho)

if you wanna dip your toes in to see if the later gens are something youre into gen3 is a good middle-ground
if gen3 doesnt turn you off, then definitely try either gen4 or the gen4 remakes of gen2. 4th gen is when the physical/special split happened and it made battles actually interesting and challenging strategically. additionally its the gen where gym leaders are no longer "go in w type-advantage and spam a to win" and start to actually have coverage moves and better, more thought out, defensive typings

regardless, in all cases
MAKE SURE TO TURN ON "SET" BATTLE MODE
this is fucking CRUCIAL
if you want to have any fun at all as a non-7yo, you NEED to go into options immediately atthe start and switch to "set" mode

>>8622801
Fast text speed, battle effects off, set every battle. Wish there were more options to skip stuff like battle intros.

>>8622803
fucking this

>>8622730
>by gen2 this artstyle was gone forever
If you mean the water colours, there were plenty for gen two. My bad if you don't.

>>8622580
>Gen 1 on GBC
Disgusting
>>8622596
Stadium 1 & 2 are good though

>>8622730
>gen5 actually had some gorgeous spritework imo. fully animated too. in fact those games are imo the most pretty pokemon games by far
I don't understand how anyone could actually believe this. The sprite distortions in Gen 5 are some of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in any game using sprites, especially with how battles are constantly zooming (no pun intended) in and out.
Also not retro

>>8622803
yea the lack of even an attempt at some of the most barebones QoL improvements is ridiculous. only amplified when you realize were talking about the literal biggest vidya IP in all of time
lazy dumbass fucking cunts
if a lone 15yo romhacking autist can fix ur shit in like a week, something your literal corporation couldnt do in a quarter-century, you got problems

i just wish they had bothered to explain set mode in-game at all
i remember being the odd kid out because i found gen1 really fucking boring compared to all the other JRPGs id played
wasnt until i played stadium (which is ALWAYS set mode) that i realized the battles had a fair bit of depth

>>8622819
then youre retarded or blind i guess
ill concede it has the worst mon designs overall, but the animations that work literally make the mons have any character at all
the static sprites they used through to gen4 were fucking embarrassing
DQ had sprite animations before pokemon even existed, and then these fags making more money than god cant be fucked enough to even bother

ill give you the zoom-in shit tho
idk wtf they were thinking

>muh not-retro
then bitch at the faggot who brought it up
im fine just talking 1-4 which apparently 4 is /vr/ now cuz tranny jannys make all the fucking decisions arbitrarily now

the only reason i even said anything is that i literally just played black for the first time this month. this idea that its a bad looking/sounding/playing game is so completely off-the-mark its laughable
unless you cant into gen3 and up at all (and fair enough tbph) theres no reason one wouldnt like gen5. it has a bunch of great battles ie the point a really good OST and some very pretty places to explore
the biggest drawback is that its literally a circle

>>8622857
DQ actually has nice sprite animations, where Gen 5 has absolutely disgusting distorting and contorting abominations. Gen 5 was awful in every way, but it's sprites and designs are undoubtedly the worst things about it.
Also gen 4 isn't retro either

>>8622730
>>8622820
>>8622857
not reading your blogposts, schizo
take your meds

>>8622808
no the watercolors are nice

i meant the whole dragonball aesthetic in the character designs. its especially obvious in reds design.
toriyama was everywhere in the 90s, and additionally was one of the few artists actually getting PAID, so naturally everyone else was trying to dryhump his style
end result: the 90s literally looked like dragonball
that artstyle hits people at a multitude of different levels of nostalgia, since it was literally everywhere back then

>>8622869
>>8622872
good idea
FUCK actually talking about vidya
we should just get into a sissy slapfight about who is/isnt a zoomer instead

also
whether you or i like it or not
gen 4 was released in 2006
which apparently according to the faggot hotpockets on this board, is retro now

>>8622875
literally no one called you a zoomer
talk about retro games instead, and take your meds
>>8622876
read that post again, you illiterate retard

>>8622883
>literally no one called you a zoomer
no shit
im referring to literally every other thread on this board wherein this is at least half the thread because most of this board is now /v/irgin faggots
we could try a consolewar argument if you prefer?

i came to talk pogaymens
you came to whine
cry more i guess. a bumps a bump

>>8622892
I'm say it again, please take your meds. You're tilting at windmills

>>8622892
you want to talk about gen 5 (aka the worst gen), then fuck off to /vp/
Also, to answer OP: it vanished after gen 2, when GF decided they were never going to innovate ever again and just repeat the same game over and over but with a worse story and world every iteration

>>8622901
>it lost its soul when they actually made the battles mechanics worth playing at all
hey i love 1 + 2 but godDAMN if they arent just completely mindless battle-wise. every gym you can go in under-leveled with a type advantage and just solo sweep without any real set-up
theres a reason its so difficult to go back to those without some form of speed-up nowadays

art/feel-wise id agree with you though
the first two were classics for a reason. the "go anywhere" and "use whatever mons you want" shtick was all but gone by gen3. imo it was the openness of the world that held much of its charm

the rest became """classics""" simply due to age/inevitability and an overwhelming force of marketing towards children

>>8614121
I love how realistic some gen 1 designs were. Pidgey, Growlith and Sandshrew come to mind as cute almost realistic looking animals. Especially pidgey it was literally just a bird kek. Would have been cool to see a game carry the concept and make all designs like that.

>>8622926
Gen 1 & 2 include Stadium 1 & 2

>>8622952
true
but stadium1/2 have quite a few subtle mechanic updates over their handheld lil bros
moreover its balanced entirely around battling and battling alone. even some of stadiums lower-tier teams are more thought out than even the hardest in-game battles in RBY/GSC. nevermind once you get to the actually hard fights later on

the handheld games couldnt be balanced like this because it wouldve stomped all over the freedom in play-style that made them fun in the first place

>>8622876
What someone considers to be “retro” seems largely dependent on their own age. To me, anything after the PS1 & N64 doesn’t feel retro to me, but to my zoomer cousins I’m sure anything before the 360 would feel retro to them. That said, it’s necessary to set some kind of arbitrary cut off for this board, and 2006 seems reasonable enough to me

>>8622183
>>8622173
>>8622049
No fun allowed

>>8623027
i dont really wanna get into meta shit rn but yea i get the whole argument

my issue is that this arbitrary age is anything but static
at first it was pre y2k + DC. but by now its slid until were at the point where its "literally all of vidya (except the last 2 gens)"
extrapolate that out over a few more gens and the future here is looking bleak
demographically, its just a nightmare, as the board gradually morphs itself into /v/

idk the easy out is to make another board
i for one genuinely wouldnt mind a newer, slower board to talk about 00s era PC games.
not like they havent already made boards for way gayer shit anyways like fucking vtubers

>>8622445
>Swampert used Muddy Water

>>8622892
Fuck off zoomer

>>8622947
This is literally what people are complaining about when they talk about "abstract shitmons".

>>8611371
it dissapear after second movie and gold/silver, normalfags and normal people moved to another thing.

Underrated Game Freak title.

Pokemon became too sanitized and too focused on appealing to the west. What makes early Pokemon so good is that it's strictly Japanese. When it was a huge hit in Japan it could still take tons of risks, and do whatever it wanted despite being a Nintendo title. Once it became big in the US and rest of the world with Pokemania? They started to change things, there's a reason there's so many banned episodes of the anime and censoring in the Indigo league but not so much starting in Johto.

Same thing with the games and this was gradual, to what it became now. In fact I'm surprised we still see so many tummies in the Pokemon world with the latest release but whatever. If Pokemon had remained a smaller game in the west then Pokemon would've continued to get weirder, it would've still been standardized over the decades that have passed but not to the extent we have now.

>>8621359
>Regular remakes and ports to newer hardware, yes, HGSS and ORAS are effectively new games in themselves though
No they aren't

>>8611371
I only liked it because I wanted to fuck Misty.

>bumping a thread when it's only on page six
I shiggy muh fucking diggidy fuckity foo

Bumping on page 10. Crystal is peak comfy

>>8611371

Main problem is that the art style was codified early on and with each new iteration they stuck to the extremely stylized look of it. Even to this day the visual look tries hard to match the original aesthetics, but it should've evolved as the series progressed into something with a bit more soul in it.

The latest games honestly look like some medium-effort fan mod.

>>8628826
They really do, Pokemon doesn't translate well to 3d. Especially the very basic looking models they use.

>>8628875
Stadium 1 & 2 look fantastic though, even the battles in PBR (not retro, I know) are pretty great. It's just nuGF that fucked up the transition for mainline games

>>8628895
true I think Pokemon XD looks great

>>8628826
Art style maybe is similar, but slapping gen 8 designs into gen 1 would look absolutely out of place

>>8628997
As a pixel artist who started taking emergency commissions to draw people and their favorite pokemon in the Crystal style, I can totally confirm this.
Pokemon designs for the first 2 gens were made with the GBC Sprite limitations in mind and I'd dare to say, started as sprites first and actual illustrations later to help ease the transition.
I tried drawing Medicham in the Crystal style and ran short of colors so I can confirm gen 3 onwards designs were made without color or shape restrictions anymore.

My hat's off to anyoen able to draw fucking Eternatus in 56x56 with just four colors.

>>8629174
ngl these aren't great
they're not stylized enough for gen 1, but not polished enough for gen 2
and there's no motion at all, they just seem so flat

>>8628875
>Pokemon doesn't translate well to 3d.

I completely disagree it could translate very well its just that there isn't an effort to do so probably because of the company that continues to make these games is a shitty company. As a kid with Stadium games alone I wanted a 3D game. I knew it could be done and it could look good. I remember seeing a webm where some of these later Pokemon games just get really fucking lazy with its 3D. So it isn't that its not suitable for 3D its just that the effort isn't there.

>>8629234
This. It helps that the jump from the charming but wonky, colorless gen one sprites to the awesome 3D models in Stadium is such a leap. I remember wondering what a true 3D Pokemon game could be like. Colosseum and XD also felt like stepping stones on the way.

Now even mainline Pokemon games are 3D and they look like trash compared to how well Stadium looked. I'd take lower polys if the Pokemon were half as well animated as they are in the Stadium games.

>>8629208
Well anon isn't a paid japanese artist with years of experience to begin with and to be fair, one has to try to bring some of the post gen 4 designs to the GSC style, how's your art anon? I'd say they nailed it considering how the gen 2 sprites look like

>always genwunnery, rarely gen 2 or 3
>can't handle when people don't even like Pokemon
>soul, soulless, kino spam
This is like a greatest hits version of the old /vp/ bait. I actually liked Gen 2's sprites more, and Gen 3 probably had the best 3D game of the series, RBY felt so stale. I'm happy for the people who have good memories about that Pokemon craze, but being so bitter about people disagreeing with you just feels more and more like /v/ is migrating.
It's okay for people to not like your faves. Every Pokemon gen is of its era, for better or worse.

>>8629265
Different anon here but I agree with that other guy, they look like shit, sorry

>>8612941
diglets cool as fuck, your coworker is a faggot

>>8629269
We get it, you missed out on Pokémania

>>8611480
yes, look that cute little fatty pocket monster, i wanna hug him forever

>>8613567
that's why i quit playing Pokemon (endless catch em all) eat shit gamefreak!!

If I get a Japanese Yellow GBC will it work with a Gold version (US/Leaf) cartridge? I have to replace the batterie. But that's not the issue. I need a new GBC. My old Teal stopped working years ago and I'm tech illiterate..

>>8629264
>I'd take lower polys if the Pokemon were half as well animated as they are in the Stadium games.

Yeah exactly. I wish I knew what game but it shows Blastoise doing hydro pump in a later game, may have even been a mainline Pokemon actually vs how it looks in Stadium. The Stadium animation is just way better. I also agree with the rest you said.

>>8629174
That Flygon looks great.

>>8629497
Yes

>>8628815
Crystal + Stadium 2. So comfy.

>>8628896
>XD
kys

>>8629717
Very based

>>8629269
You don't know what it is about Gen 1 that people miss

>>8629738
Everything

>>8629269
>and Gen 3 probably had the best 3D game of the series
Gen 3 didn't have any 3D games. I know this is all pedantic fanboy faggotry to begin with but ORAS is part of Gen 6.
>RBY felt so stale.
Compared to what?

>>8629746
That anon was referring to either Colo or GoD, you absolutely and utterly braindead subhuman retard

>>8629717
If you play Gen 1 or 2 in 2022 I'd unironically recommend doing it all physically and playing them alongside the Stadium games, they are hugely useful for PC shit, you can use Stadium 2 to get into Saffron early in Gen 1, then there's the Stadium modes themselves which basically work as a totally bullshit and unbalanced with cheating AI postgame for both Gen 1 and 2 that unlock the only official way I've ever seen a game company let you play their game with speed up
Game Freak also expected players to get the Stadium games, they were used for official tournaments and included lots of QoL stuff like said before. They're the definitive way to play the early Pokemon games now

>>8629754
>That anon was referring to either Colo or GoD, you absolutely and utterly braindead subhuman retard
Oh, I'm sorry. Colosseum was dogshit and XD was ok. Neither are the best 3D Pokemon game because that would be Stadium 2.
>"that's not a REAL 3d pokemon game!!!!"
Neither are Colosseum or XD, they're spinoffs that weren't made by Game Freak

>>8629757
>I'd unironically recommend doing it all physically and playing them alongside the Stadium games
I agree. I'd go as far to say that RBYGSCStad1Stad2 form a single cohesive experience.
You can play romhacks if you want, there are plenty of good ones for gens 1 & 2, but then you'd need to transfer mons to legit carts/saves, or communicate them with Stadium 1/2

>>8629760
I also prefer Stadium 1 & 2, but you made an embarrassingly retarded post and were btfo. Just accept and it move on.
>"that's not a REAL 3d pokemon game!!!!"
No one said that, no one was going to say that, and no one would ever honestly say that. Take your meds.

>>8616086
Communism will never work

Cope

>>8629719
what's wrong with XD?

>>8629269
Only zoomers even gave a shit about gen 2. Pokemania ended with the Mew card and the first movie, by the time I was downloading the poorly translated hack of Gold/Silver online to play in an emulator before the game came out in the west, I was bored of the franchise and the fad had ended. By the time the game even came out in Europe, I was already looking forward to the GBA, which was only a couple of months away.

>>8629843
It should've been named Colosseum 2

We'll never get monster designs like this again

>>8630441
good

>>8629717
This, I'm about to get my 8th jhoto badge, when should I take a pit stop to stadium 2?

>>8630505
You can take on Poke Cup and Gym Leader Castle soonish.
Poke Cup: your levels must be between 50 and 55, and a max combined level of 155 when you pick three in battle.
Gym Leader Castle: starts at 50 but if you have a Pokemon higher than that they'll all increase levels to match it.

>>8630505
>>8630616
You can do all of R1 in both games with rentals, look up what Werster uses and follow his strats
>but I don't wanna look up a guide that's not fun
The Stadium games have no regard for your time and literally cheat to screw you out of runs, so it's perfectly justified

>>8630441
that's literally just my mom's bowser

>>8611371
>>8611385
>>8615274

I personally thin G1 is special because the dog shit sprites where fixed in the anime by someone giving them that G 1 look.

https://youtu.be/mOdoW6-fCzw?t=35

This makes the proportions of the pokemon look iconic to G 1 while later generations have very questionable pokemon ideas, like the body mass distribution in G 1 is totally different then in later generations and that trademark style eyes of G 1.

I'm basing the look on the anime and pokemon stadium since the game themselves did leave a lot to the imagination.

>you need more processing power to display a better-drawn sprite?
Look zoomer the limitation was the game boy screen. You only have so many pixels to use ! VS whatever hardware you have today. Also needing to upscale things because no space on the ROM.

>>8615961
>regional forms earlier
>>8616479
Regional variants are retarded they should simply name it a different Pokemon.

>>8622730
>sugimoris diet-toriyama
Tell me more !
The G 1 pokemon in anime and stadium have this iconic look that other pokemon generations never got. Like the proportions and stuff.

Pictured these trademark G1 rough eyes.

>>8630989
>Regional variants are retarded they should simply name it a different Pokemon.
The point is to not shit up the Dex with redundant Pokemon that serve basically the same purpose/character as another Pokemon. Regional forms are counted as the same Pokedex number which means you don't have to catch both to complete the Dex. If they started doing stuff like that a lot sooner, the Pokedex would be less of a massive fucking headache to complete in 2022.

>>8611563
>>8611565
>>8611567
>>8611676
>>8611917
Not him however I like to interject for a moment.

I tried going back into pokemon however even the new games feel bland.

I guess they are great as games for kids and do not have any bullshit however the whole """""strategy""""" of simply swap out to a water pokemon if they play rock is really shallow. Again I did have lots of fun with them as a kid.

Only all the games feel repetitive.
I did have fun with a G2 romhack that literally gave random pokemon everywhere however I do not feel like playing G1 games since I know how they are and all other games are exactly like this.

Every other game is the same clone with the same 3 starter types. And no good pokemon to catch before basically 80% into the game.

And the whole "switch out to the pokemon they are weak to" is boring to me now.

Also I gravitate more to games who use some action mechanic that you must complete to do bonus damage or deflect damage.

> 150 characters to generate and collect
There are not 150 characters in pokemon. First some are evolutionary lines. Meaning your pokemon simply becomes stronger and there is no need to have the previous evolution on your team.

Also some pokemon types are literally garbage that no one should use. Other Pokemon have shit stats and will never be used.

SO not really 150 characters.

> 150 characters to generate and collect
Only Pokemon are not really characters. Because of the limitations of the hardware and inherited to today the real characters are the moves themselves. Are you so excited to have Blastoise use surf on your opponents VS Lapras use serf on your opponents ?

There is no real difference and the pokemon are more like something attached to the moves and you care about the moves where the pokemon is only a collection of HP and modifiers that make it do more damage with a given move or even have this move himself.

>>8631003
>To catch them all
You literally can not even do that in the new games.
>To catch them all
Why ?

>Pokemon that serve basically the same purpose/character as another Pokemon.
So basically you want 90% of all pokemon removed since there is no real benefit to using a more shit version of the same type pokemon.

>>8631037
>Only Pokemon are not really characters. Because of the limitations of the hardware and inherited to today the real characters are the moves themselves.
They are characters, why do you think they're marketable as plush toys and figures and trading cards just on the design alone? Pokemon each have a given personality and lore as well. Even middle evolutions or baby Pokemon or whatever, they're each a unique character even if in purely terms of game function they are an upgrade over another form in a literal sense

>>8631342
Because in the game there is no benefit in having these characters. GAMEPLAY !

So why would you ever use the weaker version of the surf using water pokemon ? See saying it has 150 characters is pointless.

>>8630989
Regional variants should've just been very, very minor changes, like the pink mons on that one orange island in the anime

>>8631003
>the Dex with redundant Pokemon that serve basically the same purpose/character as another Pokemon
Ever since they did literally this in Gen 5 by making 95% of new mons just shitty Chinese bootlegs of previous mons, I just don't care any more

>>8631354
>So why would you ever use the weaker version of the surf using water pokemon ?
Your brain has been corrupted by competitive

>>8631683
>Regional variants should've just been very, very minor changes
Now we get the comedy of
>I like Persian
>>Wait what variant ?

>>8631695
>I like pink Rhyhorn
>I like crystal Onix
Easy

>>8631693
>Your brain has been corrupted by competitive
Posibly.
Where you the one not talking about :
>The point is to not shit up the Dex with redundant Pokemon that serve basically the same purpose/character as another Pokemon.

???

>competitive
Explain your logic.

>>8631701
>>I like crystal Onix
Not wanting your separate crystal snake mon.
Disappointing !

>>8631704
>The point is to not shit up the Dex with redundant Pokemon that serve basically the same purpose/character as another Pokemon
Yes, but I don't care if they make a bootleg Gengar or a bootleg Sunflora

>>8631708
nuGF would fuck it up

>>8611371
Lmao those threads are worse than literal boomer comics.
>poke shit by bugmendo
>soul

>>8611371
hahahaha look how fucking fat big Pikachu is. Also what's with the wheels of that bike?!

>>8629269
> well ackshually

Fuck off

>>8631738
Boomer comic,
>"why cant I swipe book?"
If you tried to swipe a book like an iphone
>being enough of a brainlet too at least
the page would fold, swipe long enough (like you would a tablet) and you turn the page.
>a zoomer who like history :)

>>8630983
>you need more processing power to display a better-drawn sprite?
This is referred to as a "rhetorical" question.
>You only have so many pixels to use !
The gen two sprites are great.

>>8628896
XD, is pretty good alright

>>8611448
>le contrarian retard

>>8631354
>Because in the game there is no benefit in having these characters. GAMEPLAY !
And? Doesn't make them not characters. You seem to be very autistic.

>bumperooneying a threadanooney on pagerooney sixamakooney
I shiggymahfuckingdiggilydoodaa

>>8635056

>>8635068
I love this card. It delivers what it promises. It is indeed, a cool Porygon.

>>8635068
>>8635231
That's one Cool fucking Porygon.

>>8629323
Had this plush and can confirm it was soft as fuck

>>8635068
here's your only way this card was ever distributed in america bro
cool porygon is the card mentioned on the box

>>8622580
Play Crystal version. It's probably the best game in the entire series.

>>8631354
If you want to be optimal, be optimal. Otherwise just use pokemon you like. It's that simple. If you want to fill out your dex, do it. If you don't want to, then don't do it.

>>8635464
Why is that a big deal? Game sold boatloads. There are tons of Cool Proygons floating around, it's one of the more common BS promos.

>>8635494
For me, it's polished crystal
>all mons catchable without trades
>bunch of qol stuff like multiple select items
>more postgame with pokeadventures characters
>level curve fixed
>natures, physical/special split, and tms reusable from later gens
>kanto is uncucked
>pc box is like gen3+
It's pretty fuckin good. Really wish they didn't cut some of the original 251 mons for later gens though

>>8636270
>natures, physical/special split, and tms reusable from later gens
Zoom zoom!

>>8636270
>level curve fixed
Fucking hell I'm so sick of you retards who just regurgitate whatever nonsense you see online

>>8611385
The Pokemon Company was around during gen 3. Their name is on Pokemon Colloseum.

>>8636735
But they mostly kept out of the mainline Pokemon games until Gen5, which was where all the Japanese charm died off and got replaced with "international appeal".

>>8631701
>>8631708
Check out the Orange Version hack by "Pia Carrot" for these. Pretty good for a Pokemon romhack, which are almost always complete garbage.

>>8611371
Right out the window

>>8622808
I loved the watercolor

>>8616086
>capitalism is shit

I agree

>>8615353
>Gen 1's designs were modeled after the sprites
[citation needed]

>>8637281
Sugimori's said so in interviews.

>>8615961
Every gen has ripoffs anyways I dont get how that's a problem in gen 5

>>8637370
Because it's 90% of the dex and they all look like shit, and gen 5 has no redeeming qualities

>>8631738
it never ceases to amuse me that boomers think that since they can’t use computers, kids would not understand how a physical object like a book works

>>8611371
Pokemon used to be this mysterious japanese game full of secrets and school yard rumors like Pikablue and Mewthree. Its been Americanized and dumbed down for the west and all the mystery and secrets are gone. Quality over Quantity. There are just too many shitty pokemon now and the art style went to shit. .

>>8637673
Have you ever seen a zoomer read a book? I didn't think so

>bumpalooreedoreepageahippididoo
Shigeru Miyamoto.

>>8611385
>>8636758
>>8637693
These.

>>8637673
there's plenty of videos circulating on faceberg of little children attempting to swipe a book like a smartphone

>>8635524
>BLASTY-CHAMP ARE IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT
>EVERYBODY JUST HAVE A GOOD TIME
>AND WE GON' MAKE YOU LOSE YOU MIND
>WE JUST WANNA SEE YA
>CATCH THAT

>>8635464
>>8635798

Cool Porygon wasn't included with the game, it was only included in the N64/Pokemon Stadium bundle. That was bullshit but they actually gave it away later in the Pokemon TCG League so that's why there are many around

>>8636413
>choose between a full team prior to e4 or having them all multiple levels lower forcing you to grind
>inb4 you're "supposed" to grind a new mon post 8th badge
>majority kanto trainers being weaker than lance
>inb4 they're "supposed" to be weak when billy has a level 40 ratticate
>grinding 20 levels on your entire team for red
>inb4 it's "supposed" to be a slog to grind level 50 wilds to hit 80 on your team
Blow it out your ass, unlike you I actually played the game

>>8639020
With good move and item choices you can easily beat the Elite Four many levels lower. Grinding is for chumps.

>>8639020
You can do in Red with a pair of Lv60s mons with little knowledge of the game.

>>8639020
Retard

>>8638380
Smartphones were a mistake.
parents who give their children a smartphone when they're below the age of 14 should be punished by having their children sent to a care institution or foster parents.

>>8611447
>Is it bad for them?
Yes. The answer was a resounding yes.

>>8639440
>Imageboards were a mistake
>parents who give their children internet access when they're below the age of 14 should be punished by having their children sent to a care institution or foster parents.
see, I can do it too. if you're here with the rest of us, clearly you and your parents made mistakes.

>>8639440
Agreed. Smartphones should be banned entirely.
>>8639527
Smartphone addict?

>>8637670
Disagree

>>8637693
>Pokemon used to be this mysterious japanese game full of secrets and school yard rumors like Pikablue and Mewthree. Its been Americanized and dumbed down for the west and all the mystery and secrets are gone.
for a long time i've been aware of the weirder side of early pokemon mostly thanks to animutations and stuff like that. i personally think imakuni? in and of himself is deeply fascinating, in that how did this dude become an iconic part of early pokemon marketing and music? nothing against him or the other suzukisan members but looking at it from the perspective of a white kid in 2005 it was strange. though i hadn't really seen much stuff in japanese in general by that point so that probably didn't help
https://youtu.be/TQ6sQ382hRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK6l7ZJYypI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k281VmuJsa4
by the way i've always genuinely loved this song since i heard it (at the end of the porygon episode of course and no it didn't hurt my eyes)
https://youtu.be/wAC_J_EqIpE

>>8639020
They hated him for telling the truth

>>8611371
>Where did the soul go?
Gen3 happened.

>>8639951
>Smartphone addict?
not quite

>>8611371
>>8611385
We were promised 150 pokemon constituted "catching 'em all."
No games after Pokemon Blue and Pokemon Red are canon.

>>8641743
>Sneaks in a 151th Pokemon that supposedly can never be catchable
They were lying from Day 1.

>>8641747
Easily catchable, I saw a wild one just northwest of Cerulean City.

>>8611526
this

>>8629757
> I'd unironically recommend doing it all physically and playing them alongside the Stadium games
seems like a good idea until i remembered that piece of shit transfer pak
>bump slightly
>this happens
never again

Soul and online multiplayer can't coexist

>>8641920
Seriously, it's been literal decades at this point, I don't know why no emudev ever took the time to get this shit fully working in an emulator. Even mupen's current support only works about as well as the old nrage plugin which didn't allow GB Tower to work.

>>8641920
This has never happened to me and I continue to use mine to this day. Take care of your belongings; buy a new one for $10-20 if you have to

>>8642187
Bar the GB tower, transfer pak functionality has been fully working in emulators for well over a decade

>>8641920
I used to have this problem until I realized you don't have to fucking hold the controller the transfer pak is inserted into
Just get the controller set up with the transfer pak then put it down and don't touch it
Not that complicated

>>8611541
They definitely fucked with Bulbasaur's eyes and disposition. Bulbasaurs are supposed to be a bit grumpy/steadfast not retarded feels good man frogs