/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8574017
Are final generation wide screen Panasonic CRT TVs worth it? Is the tube and stuff ok?

>>8574017
Anyone has the copypasta for 240p RGB for modern GPU's?

I'm on team curved glass + shadowmask consumer set. If you get one with component from JVC or Toshiba that's basically an arcade monitor which is obviously the most authentic way to play video games.

>>8574178
...or you can just get a real 15KHz RGB monitor.

Found this creature near my house but couldnt find enough info about it on the internet because companies are stupid enough to give different model names to different countries

Just eyeballing, can /CRT/ tell me if is worth carrying 59kg to my house?

>>8574350
It's a big Mitsubishi. That's all you need to know to know it's worthy carrying to your house.

>>8574215
Those aren't actually the same type of mask. Unless you mean a real arcade monitor which would be worse because of the hours it would likely have on it. A nice thing about consumer TVs is they're generally on the lower end of usage time.

I would unironically drop $300 on a 21" PC CRT if the right one came up.

I don't really mind CRTs but one caveat is modern furniture isn't designed with heavy displays in mind.

>>8574116
theyre great for everything except 240p. i have one and its my most prized possession

>>8574493
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/raqggk/my_36_pvm_s_retrotink5x_on_a_36_super_fine_pitch/

HD CRTs can actually be a great option for 240p under the right conditions.

>>8574510
thats pretty good. I emulate all of the older consoles on my wii at 480p so my panasonic has served me fine without any retrotink

>>8574493
Looking good anon, my family had the same set back around 2006, I did not appreciate it at the time

>>8574137
>get VGA natively or from a DP converter
>create custom 240p superresolution
>combine sync
there, you now have RGBs the same as a SCART cable

i want a CRT

>>8574449
I just sold one for $50 because I'm nice

just sold 2 out of my collection. It hurts, bros, but I didn't need them...

>>8574417
Of course they are, there's shadow mask, slow mask and even AG 15kHz monitors. Funny how on /vr/ they get so little recognition even though they were the standard for computer monitors once.

>>8574449
Picked up two for free in December, both 500 series Sony's.

>>8574470
Even IKEA desks happily support big CRTs. Unless you're going crazy 36"+, it's going to be fine even with cheaper desks.

>>8575109
there was no standard back then, a monitor of the era is more likely to be composite or digital rgb (or s-vid like the c64 monitors). They don't get recognition because they hardly exist anymore, but certainly you should grab one if it shows up.

>>8575109
Computer monitors are great for a smaller form factor but you aren't going to find them in 27"-36" sizes.

>>8574470
Then just get an old TV stand that is.
Or build one yourself. It's just a few 2x4s.

>>8574510
Glad to see people are finally figuring this out.
You can get even better results with RetroArch.

This might be a long shot but does anyone know how to fix overscan issue on a Sanyo model number DS31650. I tried every method to bring up a service menu but the only option I see is to change something called Sub bright Value

>>8575267
Do you have access to a service manual? You can usually find them online but occasionally they're only available on sites selling them for a few bucks.

>>8575267
It's old school anon, gotta open it up

>>8575269 #
For some reason I'm having a hard time finding anything about this specific model online anywhere.

>>8575267
Thank you very much. Is it a huge pain in the ass to open it up?

>>8575305
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/573008/Sanyo-Ds31590.html

If you open the thing be very careful. CRTs are dangerous.

>>8575310
Do not do this if you don't know what you're doing. Forget damaging the TV, you could get electrocuted.

>>8575310
you can get killed really easily, even hours after leaving the TV unplugged.

>>8575310
BZZZZZTTTTT

i need pussy
oh god i need pussy so bad
no but really i need a new crt tv
mine is old and hardly works
where would you suggest i look for a new one
local thrift stores don't even carry crt tvs anymore
just cheap flatscreens

>>8575387
facebook marketplace is the last bastion. If you're not picky just sort through all the free listings looking for "old tv" or "big back tv" that won't show up on redditor's and scalper's pvm searches

>>8575143
Those are mostly 15kHz analog RGB monitors. Yes, many support composite (some older ones only composite) or digital RGB also.
The standard was PAL/NTSC and RGB signals with the same timings.

>>8574879
damn thats crazy.

2002-2006 were my best years.
Those were the best looking tvs.
Those flat glass ones with the grey plastic.

>>8574879
Come get it

>>8575601
Sylvania. I remember back in the early 2000s. I had one bigger than this and my friends had ones that had better pictures but dont remember the brands.
Also remember we had a giant crt tv like 40-50 inch and nothing was wrong with it and my dad put it out for trash and i shot the screen with a pellet gun.

This one looks real good. Only $20
Craigslist.

>>8575794
Very interesting

>>8575794
Looks good. You can still find cheap CRTs for free or nearly free because the big ones are obnoxious to people so they're happy to just have someone willing to take it off their hands.

FUUUUUUUUCK. THERE IS A TOTAL LACK OF CRTs IN MY AREA AND THE SIXTY MILE RADIUS. I JUST WANT A TWENTY INCH OR SMALLER WITH COMPONENT. I WOULD RGB MOD BUT I SUSPECT I WOULD DIE LIKE A BITCH WHEN I ATTEMPTED TO DO SO.

>>8575826
>I WOULD RGB MOD BUT I SUSPECT I WOULD DIE LIKE A BITCH WHEN I ATTEMPTED TO DO SO.

Find one with component. They are practically equal in picture quality.

>>8575848
>Find one with component.
I'M TRYING TO.

>>8575794
>>8575803

>480i
>4:3 aspect
>Component inputs
>2005 model

Should be a solid set.

>>8575869
This one looks huge and its $30

Is it very bad to turn your monitor on and off several times a day? I like to have two or three 30 minute sessions a day.

>>8575972
Yes, it creates mustard gas.

>>8575109
I have this exact CRT sitting in a corner untouched because it keeps turning off by itself after a little while. Does it need to be recapped? I'm utterly clueless about this stuff.

>>8575803

Going to pick this one up for free tomorrow. Hope it has s-video.

>>8576085
Looks really good dude, if the tube is working well then it might be perfect
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/191837/Panasonic-Ct-36sf37.html?page=8#manual

>>8575972
Yeah a kid in the other school did that and one day he didn't wake up and he was DEAD.

Does a 27" consumer television have the same viewable screen area as a 29" arcade monitor?

>>8576059
Who's this guy?

>>8576367
what do you mean?
are you talking about overscan?

>>8576383
Including the part under the bezel of the TV.

>>8576406
Aren’t the inches measured to the bezel?

do there exist crt monitors which support 24-bit color that have a maximum resolution of 640x480? the vga standard only allows for 256 colors and it seems like any monitor with 24-bit color also allows for higher resolutions (which means more visible scanlines at 640x480). I'm wondering if anyone here has seen or has such a monitor

>>8574870
You think a long cable could handle the meme resolution without dropping the signal?

>>8575915
enjoy your bedbugs

>>8575991
Sounds to me like some cracked solder joints, maybe on the flyback. I had an rca 20f420t with the same problem, reflowed and added solder to the flyback on the pcb, and I haven’t had a problem since

Are rear projector CRTs really that bad? There is a huge Sony one from 2000 that I can pick up for free but I'm wondering if it's even worth it

>>8575991
Mine did all kinds of weird shit, one day I just put it with the face on a tower and took the back off, then reflowed one by one all the solder joints. The caps were fine in mine so I'm sure they will be in yours too, they don't run very hot and are from a time when shitty caps weren't common. Might want to try that.

>>8576085
Is that a Gaoo? I have one from '95 and it's an amazing set despite only having s-video, looks better than my JVC D series.

>>8576370
Some weird sidekick from an old Green Lantern cartoon, I believe. I made that image like a decade ago, so I don't recall exactly.

Master quest was fucking confusing at times

>>8577221
>rear projector CRTs

>prone to screen burn-in
>Horrible in rooms with ambient light
>Large and heavy
>Terrible viewing angles
>Contrast ratios suck
>Light guns response not consistent
>Some used image processing that introduced lag (Not sure about Sony)

Your mileage may vary.

Just picked up 3 in one day for a total of $20. I think im good for the rest of my life now.
>>8575794
Yeas it is this one.
>>8577447
It looks just like a gaoo. It has s-video and y/pb/pr

https://streamable.com/8ia09w

>>8578102

>>8577447

>>8576620
Yes. Some of the big multimedia monitors.

>>8578102

Next, I would get 240p test suite and a good colorimeter and calibrate them.

>>8577652
Details on the n64 connection/signal?

>>8578131
Aren't colorimeters like two grand?

Are atari SC1224's worth it?

>>8578240
Nah you can get them for $100 and use them on your new stuff too.

https://youtu.be/3o3awkkAILI

>>8578291
any recommendations? I'd be interested in a good one that won't break the bank.

>>8578302
Look around on Ebay for a Spyder or a Colormunki capable of doing CRT's

>>8575826
i know everything i use now is watching me and recording my everymove. At least I can trust my crt tv

>>8576620
Sony PGM2950

dumb question but did consults just send out an interlaced 29.976 ntsc signal like everything else? were the actual PPUs progressive at all?

>>8578431
http://nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/2017/01/classic-systems-true-framerate.html

Anyone remember that guy that posted on /g/ years ago that was trying to live the crt life?

>>8578637
this looks like what hollywood thinks the homes of underground internet hackers look like

In particular it makes me think of the hacker guy's apartment from The Core

>>8578209
probably s-video, PVMs even make the N64 output look sharp. Very minimal difference with RGB and s-video on it.

>>8575826
> WOULD DIE LIKE A BITCH WHEN I ATTEMPTED TO DO SO.
this is a meme. No one's ever died servicing a CRT and even if you got shocked by one, it wouldn't be enough to kill you.

>>8578678
If I remember correctly the guy was obsessed with lain so it kind of fits into that anime cyber aesthetic of that era.

>>8578637
Fucking true beauty.

>>8578719
8bit Guys vid on it made it seem like a pretty easy project.

>>8575826
worst thing that happened to me is pain and hand burned a little, they arent that dangerous even if you use uninsulated metal pliers like I did for some reason

>>8575387
Step 1, get a hooker
Step 2, look on your local marketplaces

Also reminder to check your local recycling place.
I found this there, it is a 15 inch tube with 86khz, pretty crazy, it looks blurry on the pic but the sharpness came in a little later, I had to power cycle it a few times to get it to look really good, probably was not turned on in a very very long time

I love my Medion, I wish it wouldnt crush blacks but nobody is perfect I guess

>>8578102
>>8578105
>>8578107
>>8578107
based, they look great, anon

thread already ruined by tranime

>>8574530
Try adding a scanline overlay on RetroArch to fake 240p. It looked surprisingly good on my 30XS955.

>>8578798
Bro at least wipe it down with windex

How long should I run a CRT for if it has not been used in over a decade? Just leaved it on overnight or something?

>>8578209
Its master quest on gamecube being run on a wii with component

Really gotta see if I can fix the sag at the top of the tv. Besides that it looks great

Looking for a tube tv to play my original xbox on. Anything I need to know before I go shopping for one?

>>8579118
should be a setting called y-bow, either in the service menu or on a pot in the back

>>8579146
the original xbox can do 480p for every game over component, so if you aren't going to use the tv for any older consoles you could look for an hd crt or even a pc monitor if you didn't mind the smaller screen.

Consumer chads unite
(yes I'll take new pics soon)

>>8574017
I love my WEGA.

>>8579180
oof, that vhs chroma

>>8579161
Really? I'll have to look into it

>>8579180
>Doom cover art poster
>Win 95 guide
>SNES with a PS1
>VCR Sony

Man of taste.

A moment of silence to the TVs left behind. My trusty old Panasonic, loaned to my brother who left it behind.

>>8579192
https://www.neo-geo.com/forums/index.php?threads/sony-wega-trinitron-crt-tv-service-menu-tips-tricks-and-settings-suggestions.235099/
looks like in the service menu its the UYBO

>>8579221
Ill check my set when I get home. I thought I was gonna have to open it, reseat the neck, I know some sets have a ring just for bowing at the top. I don't mind opening a set but I got so many projects ahead of me that id rather not have to open it for a while.

>>8579269
>I know some sets have a ring just for bowing at the top.

Sony added those rings separate from the convergence rings to address bowing like yours. It was about 2005 models and later I believe, shame they all didn't have them.

>>8579281
Oh, I'm fairly sure my set was made in 05

>>8579170
I like how you always post your crap

>>8579212
Shut the fuck up, faggot

>>8576894
the display port cable can be as long as you want, the vga cable can be long without dropping the signal but the longer it goes the more interference it will pick up which will affect the quality

>>8579303
No u

>>8578421
couldn't find anything stating that it supports more than 256 simultaneous colors but i'll take your word for it. thanks.

>>8579402
The PC I'll use only has DVI-I and VGA out, I could probably get a DVI-I to HDMI adapter, a long HDMI cable, then use a HDMI to VGA box and finally a composite box next to the TV to try and keep interference down.

>>8578846
I cleaned them all with rubbing alcohol and compressed air last night.
I chose to put the sylvania 32" sdtv in my gaming setup and the rest in storage.

>>8580160
>storage
Do Americans really pay to keep stuff they don’t need or even want in their house at another location for years at a time? Why?

>>8579180
>>8579170
Where did you get these and did you have to pay anything for them?

>>8580163
I got mine from a thrift store circa 2012 or so. It was the last crt the store ever sold as they stopped accepting them after that. I paid $10 and drove it home in the backseat of a Chevy Cavalier.

>>8580170
Not useful but neat story thank you

>>8574510
I have a Sony version of this its not bad

>>8579221
Just checked, my TV doesn't have the UYBO service menu adjustment. I'll take it apart at some point to mess with the rings and maybe reseat the neck.

On the plus side I did take the 10 minutes to replace my Sega Genesis power jack so my Genesis works again. Have a triple bypass board and a recap kit to install in it as well but my workbench is full with other projects.

>>8580057
HDMI to VGA doesn't work, it has to be DP to VGA.
Technically you can get a 15kHz signal out of many HDMI adapters, but it doesn't work well, it can't drop low enough or has a mangled picture.

If you already have native VGA out, you can try using that, either the same way as you would with a DP adapter or using 15kHz drivers or mods. Try and see, be careful not to blast 31kHz+ into the monitor though.

>>8580236
What gay? Tnx

>>8580260
>Technically you can get a 15kHz signal out of many HDMI adapters, but it doesn't work well, it can't drop low enough or has a mangled picture.
You sure? I was under the impression some chipsets could handle it.

>If you already have native VGA out, you can try using that
I did get a cheap 10m/32ft VGA cable a few days ago, but it could only go up to 1024x768 on my monitor, no idea if it'll handle the meme resolution and I don't have the component box yet to try it.

>Try and see, be careful not to blast 31kHz+ into the monitor though.
It's a 2006 Trinitron TV. Aren't there safeguards against out of range signals in late CRTs anyway?

>>8580264
Keio Flying Squadron on the Sega CD

>>8580303
>You sure? I was under the impression some chipsets could handle it.
You can of course try. That's just my experience. As far as I know, HDMI doesn't have the same amount of control and bandwight window for it to work though, at least properly.

>I did get a cheap 10m/32ft VGA cable a few days ago, but it could only go up to 1024x768 on my monitor, no idea if it'll handle the meme resolution and I don't have the component box yet to try it.
Try CRU and create a custom 240p/60 15kHz mode. What GPU anyways?

>It's a 2006 Trinitron TV. Aren't there safeguards against out of range signals in late CRTs anyway?
Should, but I can't promise. If anything is iffy, just unplug or turn off quickly and just in case, always make sure the driver is reporting a signal that should be near 15kHz before trying. Just good practice in general, otherwise you might get used to it even when your current CRT has safeguards for it, but you might use another CRT sometime in the future that doesn't.

>>8580314
>Try CRU and create a custom 240p/60 15kHz mode.
All my monitors are 31kHz so I can't test until the component box arrives.

>What GPU anyways?
Intel HD 4400, supposedly on loonix there's more wiggle room for custom resolutions. If that doesn't work I'll try unearthing the ancient city of HD 5770.

>Should, but I can't promise. If anything is iffy, just unplug or turn off quickly and just in case, always make sure the driver is reporting a signal that should be near 15kHz before trying. Just good practice in general, otherwise you might get used to it even when your current CRT has safeguards for it, but you might use another CRT sometime in the future that doesn't.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

>>8579197
Thanks fren

>>8580327
On Linux your vga out should show up on xrandr even without anything plugged in. Create a custom 240p modeline and force the vga to output that, then plug it into your tv

Has anyone picked up or bought a CRT that was cleaned beforehand? I understand if you're hauling away a CRT that the owner perceives to be worth very little, or worthless, they probably wouldn't care about cleaning it beforehand, but from the two times I've bought PVMs from people who were aware of their value, they didn't bother to give the case a quick wipe down.

>>8580710
i have a crt that the previous owner cleaned both inside and out, but the irony is that while he was trying to adjust the picture internally he bricked it and cause vertical collapse

Both of these are being sold near me. Looks like they're the exact same model and are roughly the same price. I own a 27" WEGA and, using that as a point of comparison, these are definitely bigger than 27", most likely 32". They have the text "Trinitron" on the upper left side of the screen instead of "WEGA", I don't know what that means though. What do you think? Both also include the forniture they're standing on, which is a nice little gesture even if they both look like they're been through the wringer.
Price is roughly 40 bucks for each. Should I pull the trigger?

>>8581235
They're WEGAs all the same. They're very likely the exact same thing you already have, just bigger.

>>8580710
I cleaned mine, both inside and out when I sold them. First one wasn't that dusty inside, but the other one was to point where I was surprised it didn't caught fire yet.

>>8581235
are you unhappy with the size of the 27"
there's no guarantee either of these haven't been used to hell and are dim/uncalibrated. I guess they could also likely be in great shape, but if the tv you already have is perfectly fine I see no reason to buy the exact same tv when it's probably in worse condition

>>8579146
>>8579169
also get a wii for gamecube with easy 480p component. PS2 has some too but not many, if you hack it you can use opl gsm to output 480p and even 1080i

>>8579212
dust your furniture bro

for me, its panasonic, the best crts

Is this tilt or something else because the sides don't seem to be tilted at all

>>8581716
Fix the tilt and then use the parallelogram adjust to fix the sides of rotating messes them up

>>8581732
Great. Now to decide if I can live with it or attempt to fuck with the yoke.

>>8581235
>Should I replace my 27" Wega with a 32" Wega?
I don't know anon, do you want 32"? We can't tell you what you want.

>>8574017
What filters gets your game close to looking like this? And can it be done without making my RX 570 crash? Because I tried using Cyberlab's Bezel shaders and they made my GPU crash, even when using the 1080p versions (no I wasn't using super sampling or anything). I don't crash when using royale at 4k but it doesn't look like the image.

>>8581829
Isn’t there a crt fillers thread

Just ordered a new vertical ic hopefully it fixes this vertical collapse

I just moved to a third-story apartment and nobody wanted to help me take the 27-incher up so I want to get an LCD as a temporary fix. What brands are any good? Last one I got had an awful refresh rate, fucker actually hurt my eyes.

>>8582309
>Last one I got had an awful refresh rate, fucker actually hurt my eyes
that doesn't make any sense, there's no refresh flicker on an lcd. Also, no lcd will look good with retro games on there own, if you're retro gaming on an lcd you need an upscaler that won't trash 240p

>>8582317
Ah, not refresh rate. Whatever it is that makes things look like they have motion blur. Sorry, I'm a little fucked up right now.

But the one I had was an old one with no hdmi ports, about 20 inches. Games looked alright until anything moved.

>>8582332
that's just how LCDs are. you can mitigate it by getting a 120hz screen and emulating games with black frame insertion but almost any other kind of lcd is going to look like ass in motion

>>8582309
Symphonic WF20L6. It's a 4:3 EDTV LCD with Composite, S-Vid and Component, capable of 480p. Basically perfect for Sixth Gen consoles but does well with 480i and surprisingly even accepts 240p. I see them go for about 10 bucks in thrift stores. DOA3 through component

And an episode of Dirty Pair off a Pi outputting 240p. I also fed it 480i to confirm it stops interlacing and it does, so it seems to treat the format properly

just got one of these for free, anyone ever use one?

>>8582442
What is it?

CRT Chad's, I want a small TV to play with my jailbroken Wii. What should I be looking out for? Someone is giving away this 20" which seems like a decent size

>>8582454
Model CF2055A

>>8582454
Look for component, that tv didn’t have but composite is fine if you’re not a graphical stickler. Otherwise just look for tvs that saw little use, i.e. a guest room tv

>>8582483
Thanks anon. How can you tell if it wasn't used much? Literally asking the owner? I was gonna look at the thrift store but they won't know that

>>8582495
The only ways you would really be able to tell for sure if the tv was heavily used would be if it has any burn it (obvious while it's off) or if the screen is particularly dim while powered on. If the owner will let you test it with something hooked up like a tv signal, you could see if there are any geometry or blooming issues caused by aging components, but geometry problems like that are more likely to be caused by aged rather than heavy use.

That said though CRTs can handle quite a lot of abuse, so if it's turns on at all and doesn't have any immediate visible issues (like wavy picture or really bad picture warping) it's probably fine.

Personally I think 20 inches is pretty much the sweet spot for being good for couch gaming without being too big. As the other anon says component hook ups are ideal but unfortunately rare in common sets, but so long as it at least has a composite in you're good. Coax only isn't really worth it.

>>8582512
Awesome, I appreciate the suggestions. I'll keep an eye out

>>8582412
based, I need to pick up a couple Pis anyway

>>8582586
Forgot to mention that's composite out, Just cut a cable and soldered it to the pads. Really nice clean signal coming out of it. Haven't tried it on a Pi4, that's a 3

>>8582618
couldn't you have just used a trrs to rca cable?

>>8582618
>>8582632

>>8582635
Pis don't seem to follow the same output positions on the jack that 99% of the cables out there use. I did buy at least one specifically labeled for Pi use and it was still wrong. Soldering to the pads was just easier than trying to fuck with another cable or trying to fix the ones I have. I just hangs off the side of the board like a tiny rat tail

>>8582652
Ya now that I'm looking into the pinout it doesn't seem like TRRS with video was ever standardized across manufacturers. They all just did their own thing.
https://pinoutguide.com/Audio-Video-Hardware/av_jack_pinout.shtml

>>8582665
Although as long as the ground is in the right place it shouldn't matter if the yellow rca goes to the tip or not since you can just not follow the colors. As long as you know which one is tip, ring, ring, and sleeve.

my monitor gets slightly to severely jittery at any refresh rate that isn't 60, 90, or over 100. What could be the issue? Is it ground loop interference maybe, and how would I fix that?

>>8582451
thing that lets you hook up all your consoles video to one device and switch them

>>8582690
Nice extron, gonna need alot of these

>>8582683
That's the problem from what I understand, the ground isn't in the right place

>>8582586
>>8582618
holy shit where can I find an in stock Pi? Everywhere seems to be out.

Anybody use a colorimeter for their CRTs? I've heard the new ones don't work with CRTs and older ones have lifespan problems.

>>8582737
I bought a monico optix xr for cheap on ebay and it gets the job done

>>8582730
lol chip shortage

>>8582730
What do you guys think of the Bananapi? Some versions have an actual composite out RCA.

>>8582695
just ordered a 25 pack from ebay

>>8582454
>small CRT
>Wii
not advisable, 15 inches minimum

>>8582618
You should try it with the RGB-Pi GPIO to SCART cable?

>>8582412
any particular image you're running or do you just play media off a network share in raspbian?

>>8578102
are those hd?

>>8578310
>>8578291
Cheap ones, specially cheap Spyders, use plastic optics and become extremely unreliable in a couple years, thanks to the plastics changing colour with time.

>>8582830
>20" CRT
>That's too small, you need at least 15" minimum
Guessing you were shooting for 25", and I'd certainly agree. 15" would just be a chore to play anything on.

>>8582454
It's a good size for gen 5 and older but you try to play Metriod Prime on that and you're going to have a rough go of it.
I'd still take it anyway for older shit.

>>8582909
It's an old picture, it should have been whatever last version of LibreElec that ran on the Pi3

>>8582830
It would probably be okay for /vr/ content but a lot of Wii games sandwich to 16:9 on 4:3 displays so this anon is correct

>>8584246
Where do anons even find these types of displays? I've found PVMs but not any good widescreen CRTs other than huge Sony XBRs

>>8582412
I really want to get a Pi to stream media to my CRT. That and the RetroNAS project that just came out. How do you get component out of a Pi?

>>8584282
Gonna need a GPIO hat of some sort. Someone out there might still make Retrotink Ultimates but I think there was another Kickstarter recently for another hat solution

>>8584292
>>8584282
Probably not the best option due to aspect ratio fuckery but you could try an HDMI > Component adapter if it's only for media and not games.

A question from a n00b:
I wanna buy a crt, but if I connect an old monitor/tv to modern hardware with some plug like 'scart to hdmi/vga to hdmi', I lose something?
I guess the broader question is, there is any problem to interface new hardware to old monitors like cartman's wii episode.

>>8584296
You can edit your config.txt to output 4:3 240p/480i/480p out of the HDMI port, never tried it myself, I've output custom 240p@120Hz to VGA CRT monitors, looks fine if exceedingly sharp

>>8584343
oh shit thanks anon, I was messing with an hdmi to s-video converter and the aspect ratio was bugging me, I'll try updating the configs

>>8584378
https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/config_txt.html#video-options

>>8584246
pape pls

>>8584395
what a shame, the HDMI to s-video adapter I have is hardcoded to 480i it seems

>>8584282
I mean here’s how you get RGB out of it
Not sure how it works out of the official software though

opinions on pic related?
I can have him for 50bucks

did anyone have any success building a VGA to SCART cable and use the Delock 62967 DP to VGA adapter to hook up an RGB capable TV to a pc?
im in the process of building one and while i was able to solder all the connections on the VGA end with no shorts im already facing the problem that i cant fit the plug into its housing anymore. reason for that is probably the choice of cables. the guide at
[ geocities dot ws/podernixie/htpc/cables-en.html ]
says to use 75 ohm cables and talks about inner and outer conductors. its obvious the guide talks about coaxial cables but they are incredibly difficult to work with. the standard sized ones are obviously not an option because they are way to big. im using a 2.5mm diameter mini coaxial cable and its a chore to work with.
im considering just buying a prebuilt cable if i just were to find someone selling one.

>>8584857
I forgot to put spec on the post itself:
Philips 17” CRT 107T50 107TS
also another photo

>>8584858
Get a normal VGA cable and cut off one end, use the SCART connector to solder the wires, more room inside there and it will look tider, plus it's the right type of cable already.
If you buy a prebuilt cable, make sure it's made properly with resistors used to join together the sync signals.

>>8584876
problem with that approach is that pretty much every VGA cable you can buy comes with a molded plug. so theres no way you can look at the internal pins and know what wire goes where. scart is less of an issue because pretty much all of them can be opened by the end user by design.

>>8584898
Use a multimeter to find out what pin goes to what wire after you cut one end off and trip the wires. RGB part is easy too, since those are usually colour coated, ground is usually black + the shield, so all you really need to even find out is H and V sync.
If you don't have a multimeter, use a LED + battery or something.

>>8584864
>>8584857
$50 is steep imo but if you don't have any other monitors and it's in decent shape, why not

>>8584583

>>8574470
Depends on the size, but I definitely would not feel safe keeping a CRT on a stand if the back of the tube is hanging off, even if the feet are fully planted. Outside of that it's all about adhering to shelf sag and making sure all pieces of the display are thick/sturdy enough to keep it up.

>>8584985
Most CRTs have really solid bases. If whatever hits it has enough force to actually knock it over it's gonna go tumbling no matter what's under the ass-end of it. That said
>Knocked a small 10-11" PC CRT clear off the precarious 4FT crate tower I sat it on
>No damage, no issues whatsoever, kept working for years afterward
Gave it to a friend, for all I know it's still out there

>>8574510
how did the retrotink 5x do this? custom resolution?

>>8586350
double 240p to 480p and preserve the blank space between lines

>>8586403
its 540p....

>>8586350
If you feed an HD CRT analog 1080i/540p and disable post-processing in the service menu it pretty much operates like a standard definition CRT without any lag.

>>8586428
It's 480p in a 540p raster with the letterboxing hidden by vertical stretch which preserves the "real" aspect ratio.

>>8586471
Proof?

>>8586519
Here. >>8574510

>>8586530
No, I mean the lag, which is one of the main reasons people don’t choose HD CRTs

>>8586543
HD CRTs lag because of the scaling they have to do since they need to accept everything but aren't multisync capable so must scale everything to 1080i/540p. Since 540p is non-standard you're always going to get some lag because you're always feeding the TV 240p, 480p, or whatever. But if you happen to be able to use an external scaler to feed it native 540p then the TV does no scaling and the only lag you'll get is from the external scaler itself which if its any good at its job will be imperceptibly small. Though HD CRTs also tend to have digital post processing but you can turn this off in the service menu.

>>8586604
Yes, that’s why I said “proof?”

>>8586483
>It's 480p in a 540p raster with the letterboxing hidden by vertical stretch which preserves the "real" aspect ratio.

wouldnt stretching it also distort it?

Brothers, i was lucky enough to be GIVEN a sony Trinitron by an old fella at work, and i am over the moon. but after a few hours i have noticed that theres the very slightest bit of wonkyness to the top left edge of the screen, how can i remedy this?

>>8586964
Learn about the service menu and how they work, there are lists of what settings do what in service menus out there, go look them up, however write down what the current settings are before you start
Or just accept a bit of wonkiness, sometimes it is just a part of CRTs

>>8586964
pic?
I can probably tell you how but I need more info then wonkiness

>>8578798
>>8578792
>>8578804
GET OUT RANFAG

>>8587080
this

>>8586669
Read the linked thread. I also gave you an explanation. What is wrong with you?

>>8586795
No because it will be squashed vertically due to 480p being set within 540p. Stretching it vertically restores the original aspect ratio.

>>8575972
No these things were designed to be used like that. At most you're using a little more electricity due to the startup, just don't cut it off from mains altogether.

>>8587519
so its using interpolation then, meh

>>8588039
I don't think it is. At least it doesn't look like there's any interpolation going on in the posted images. Though I have no idea how it's operating on the Retrotink side of things.

>>8588063
From the thread:

"540p has the same video timings as 1080i, so if it can accept 1080i, it will likely also accept 540p. This is really 448p in a 540p raster with every other line blacked out to yield what looks identical to 224p. There would normally be black bars on the top and bottom of the screen, but I have the raster expanded"

"The native 224p image from the SNES is line-doubled, then placed in a 540p raster where every other line is blacked out. There are really black horizontal bars at the top and bottom of the screen (540-448=92 rows) but the vertical scale is set so they're off-screen"

>>8588083
>but I have the raster expanded

adjusting beam width or what?

>>8588129
https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=1426428#p1426428

This seems to explain the mechanics of what's happening a little better.

>>8586669
https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=68605
"1080i: 0.8ms"

Finally trying out my Super SD System 3 Pro. I do have a Turbo CD but the drive is a little flaky.

I've had this CRTs for years and just played with the RF cables they came with. I finally got some s-video cables and holy fuck do I feel dumb for never taking time to learn about this shit. What a fucking difference.

>>8588779
S video is such a step up. So many people ignore CRTs with s video but without component or RGB input.

>>8588296
>less than a millisecond
seems pretty negligible to me

>>8588814
It is. Even standard definition CRTs have some lag. It's just too small to matter.

>>8575972

Should be fine. However, I wouldn't turn them off completely, just leave the TV in stand-by for the day and completely shut it off before going to bed.

>>8575972
I do with mine. I don't leave it on for fear of burn in. It runs the degausser more often which is fine I guess.

>>8580160

Looks good. Don't use rubbing alcohol all the time, though; it's better to use window cleaner as that is more gentle on the plastic.

Also, every 3 or 4 months, don't forget to turn on the ones you put in the storange for 2 hours or so (play a dvd movie or something), since this will be good for the electronics inside and the capacitors.

>>8580710

I don't pay much attention to whether a CRT is cleaned or not. Cleaning is a really easy job, if you own a window/glass cleaner and compressed air (you can get an electric air duster from amazon for 50 bucks or so.)
Just be carefull not to apply to much air pressure to certain parts like vertically installed voltage regulators and such, as this might loosen their solder joins.

>>8588607
They're pretty good, make sure your SD card is formatted properly before use, got a few corrupted things before doing that

>>8575972
Probably only a problem if your flyback has issues or it doesn't degauss correctly

>>8583398
It says sdtv on the one. Not hdtv.
They dont have hdmi ports. Just component. The all black one was made in 2000 and i guess the other two were made in 2005.

https://youtu.be/86BePdswM6Q

This is an experiment i wanted to try.
I dont think i would do it again.

>>8589263
because you're feeding it a fucking interlaced signal, that converter probably cannot send 240p at all

>>8589152
For sure, with any if these type of devices I always do a full format on the SD card prior to using it. A 240gig cars holds the entire pce and turbo CD library with room to spare. So that's nice

>>8588607
Looks great anon! My Turbo CD would power on but not actually work when I first got it. After years of putting off sending it to someone I found out there's a gear inside it that fails prematurely, and it's the culprit behind some 99% of turbo/pc engine cd failures. I cracked mine open and sure enough, gear was broken. Ordered a new one, had a right pain in the ass getting the gear clip off and on without losing it (the secret is to use weak scotch tape to hold it in place while you flex the clip onto the shaft) but sure enough it revived the TGCD

>>8574017
I'm picking up a crt from a guy who's got both a 480i and 1080i trinitron. Which one would be better? I've heard the 1080i models arent great but does it really matter?

>>8589551

>>8589551
both

>>8589551

>>8574017
ps2 through component on a toshiba 14AF48C

>>8590171
>14"
I mean 480i is just not gonna look very good at that size

>>8590261
all you have to do is crank the brightness on those old bedroom TVs and they look great
I like playing metroid prime that way

>>8590275
the phosphors are too big to have any kind of detail on a set that small

>>8590276
I really depends on the quality of the display.

>>8589551
Both

>>8579023
You don’t have to do that, retard. Just use it normally

>>8590261
i mean its still looks way better than using composite on the same tv,also it doesnt look as good on the picture here obviously.

>>8590276
analog is still analog

>>8589490
Yeah I replaced that gear. My unit is as refreshed as you can do as a end user. Recapped, gears serviced and lubed, laser cleaned. It's still a bit slow but I can't tell if it was always this slow or is the motor burning out. The ode i got let's me put the turbo CD on display and still play games. Win win for me

>>8590396
Nothing wrong with the size for 240p
I just think it doesn't look good at 480i

>>8589303
I just wish they fixed the SD card slot and didn't make it bright blue

if it didn't cost $750 burgers. I'd gladly make an 8 hour trip for this.
/marketplace/item/2737861553176370/

>>8590687
Vga CRTs are hard to come by in good condition

>>8590261
But smaller screens are sharper than larger screens of the same resolution, so what’s your point

Trying to figure out what to do with my old Viewsonic G90fb.

>>8591063
Make Tate cab

>>8588779
An old-fashioned non-flat Trinitron with S-Video is my white whale. Lots of WEGA variants around, but these are harder to come by. Lucky you.
IMO, if you have access to S-Video you will not miss Component/RGB. It's better than "good enough". Perfect compromise between picture quality and natural blur, specially for PS1 games what with their agressive use of dithering.

>>8590687
lol no it's not worth an eight hour fucking trip even for free

>>8591171
I like 4 curved sonys with s video, where ya at?

So far I haven’t been able to find a crt that:
>is relatively small
>has component
>doesn’t have screen tilt
>doesn’t underscan
The last two are the real kicker. It seems like most small screens don’t have horizontal size adjustment in the service menu. Sucks but will keep looking I guess

>>8591197
The 20 inch late era silver plastic Sonys and Toshibas are very nice and have robust service menus

>>8590687
I’m almost hesitant to ask a question to an American because I got banned for it last time but, is that a lot of money for one of those? I’ve been looking to get something 480p capable for ps2, but most people have told me to go with a component TV.
Also,
>banning people for asking questions to Americans
Mind your own fucking business, you fat fuck janny.

>>8591247
Also any tv has horizontal size adjustment if you just open it up

>>8591249
Ps2 is troublesome with its 480p capability, I wouldn’t use a vga monitor for it. And yes, that’s a lot of money for a monitor that’s good but not especially so. Just a seller trying to Jew out more money by playing the inflated market

>>8591264
So would you also recommend a component TV for ps2? Sorry, but I don’t know much about this and thank you for the help.

>>8591249
Anything over $20 is a lot of money for a CRT.

There's really no perfect solution for PS2/GCN/Xbox. You just have to pick which games you value the most and want to maximize and settle for imperfect solutions for everything else. There are too many good 480p games on PS2 to not use an HDTV I think. And by then there wasn't as much issue with lag because developers started taking it into account so games started getting a shit load more forgiving. There's a reason people bitch over that generation not being retro enough. It really was the start of "modern" gaming from many angles.

>>8591287
*480p and/or widescreen

>>8591249
It's stupidly expensive. You could buy a sizable good quality modern TV for that amount. As for the PS2, some (but not all) component capable TVs are 480p capable. 480p is not an absolute requirement for a PS2, but it's certainly nice to have. Aim for component, hope for both

>>8591284
Yes I would recommend an hd widescreen set for ps2, as it will accept both 480i and 480p. A monitor will not accept 480i. You can force a modded ps2 to always output 480p but it doesn’t work well for many games.
A big reason we use CRTs for old games is because they display 240p natively, as 240p doesn’t go through normal scalers well. Since the ps2 is predominantly 480i/p, I think it looks perfectly fine from scaling. You could get a decent scaler and hook the ps2 up to a vga monitor at higher resolution (say, 1080p) or even a modern tv it can look good after scaling. The benefit of the hd crt is it will do the scaling for you

>>8591336
>>8591339
Thanks for the recommendations. I will probably looks for a consumer TV with component because of cost, I think. Still, I do not know about most of the HD/widescreen CRT’s because others have told me they are bad for 4:3 only games.

>>8590687
lmao does this one even have a Trinitron tube? The grifters are insane. That monitor is worth maybe $150 at best.

>>8591197
If you want a smaller set you might as well look for PC monitors or spend PVM money, there are 20" JVCs and Trinitrons but the ones with component are pretty rare and the Sonys from that era will always have geometry issues since the flat screens suck ass.

>>8590687
>>8590727
Dang, I got 2 of them in great condition from some guy who just had them in storage 6 months ago, for $30, he even offered to take them back if something was wrong with them.

>>8591439
You don't want to hook a Super Nintendo up to an HDCRT but they're good for PS2/GCN/Xbox/Wii.

>>8591197
To me Svideo looks about as sharp as component, the only difference is less color and the tint is usually off, but those can be adjusted.

>>8591287
I know you guys probably hate emulation, but using it for that gen in 4k is pretty nice.

>>8590687
>>8591180
A review from 2004:
>Pricing for the Dell P1230 is a bit on the high side at $679 when compared with most of the other monitors in this review.
It's literally being sold for more than it's original MSRP. Ignoring inflation.

>>8591474
It's a 130khz Diamondtron

>>8590732
This meme of "smaller=sharper" needs to stop, provided full context is given. A 30" 480i CRT viewed 30 inches away will be just as sharp as a 20" 480i CRT viewed 20 inches away.
This is also assuming their TVLs are the same and dot pitches relative to their screen size (0.30 and 0.20, respectively), but the 30" has a bit more leeway to have a finer pitch due to its size, theoretically making it "sharper".
tl;dr DYOR on CRT models and their specs, play vidya and be happy.

I can't get this monitor down to 480p, a CyberVision C50, this thread helped me get it down there just fine before, but now when I try it the colors are all fucked up, should I change the color timing? I'm using NVIDIA Control Panel

How were EDTVs? They only existed for like a year so nobody ever talks about them for 480p sources. Were they all flat panels or were there any CRTs?

>>8590732
they are not, if anything they are softer,
you can see less jaggies because you can see less details

the Dell p1110 worth fixing?
/marketplace/item/963829660912493/

>>8591953
Of course it’s worth fixing if you know how to fix it

>>8591953
If you're good at repairing CRTs yourself, should be an easy buy. Otherwise, not if you have to spend $$ to have someone else do it for you.

>>8591953
I wouldn't pay for it, but if its just a cap replacement then cool, the screen itself could be worn out

>>8591906
Some arcade monitors and broadcast monitors can do those, but they are very expensive. Vga crt computer monitors can do those resolutions, but then you have really high tv lines (the screens physical resolution), so it will be too sharp for old school gaming. This is why stuff like those big NEC XM's are the holy grail. They can show 480p, but will a picture more like an arcade monitor, and still do 240p.

>>8591953
>/vr/ knows nothing about CRTs
as usual

Buy it, plug it into windas, reduce G2. Fixed.

Someone near me is selling this for $75. Is this monitor any good?

>>8593019
no

>>8593031
I figured, but I have zero idea about what constitutes a good PC monitor. Someone is selling this old thing for $30.

I really wish we got more fully 3D fixed camera games. The little movement the camera does really add to these games. Love the color palette they used in Carrier.

>>8593019
I picked up an MV920 for about 25 bucks a year ago, this is smaller

>>8574017
>2000s consumer CRT
One of these, or maybe late 90s, is my current go-to consumer set, and I really don't care for it. Poor design aesthetics and a flat tube. No bueno.

>>8593019
This looks like a freebie monitor.

Anyone know this type of model?

>>8593129
In this jew kike jew world now, nothing is free.

>>8593147
No idea about the model but old Zeniths have a good reputation.

>>8592452
That’s not fixed anon

>>8588779
lovely

A friend in college got a Sony one cheap back in the day and I eventually got it from him. Got it in a retro game room in my basement now.

>saw a really unique looking crt tv at a local antique store for $35, said it was working too
>was meeting a friend and walking around downtown and didn't want to lug it around and figured I'd come back and park closer to pick it up
>finally remember to go back a month or two later
>store was closing and they had an auction house come through a few days before
>they bought the tv to sell at auction
>look up tv online
>it's going for like two to three hundred dollars
damn

>>8593596
Never ignore a crt

>>8593231
That's literally all you can see there being wrong with it

>>8594081
It could also be the power supply or capacitors, lowering G2 is usually just a bandaid fix, but you don’t know until you check it

>>8594115
These flat Trinitrons have aggressive wear-compensation which works by creeping the G2 up, I'm 90% sure that's literally the only "fault" with it, because it's literally programmed to happen to every single one of these monitors. It's not a bandaid fix, it's *the only* fix.
Misuse of the Color Restore button can also expedite the issue, FYI brightness to 50%, then running it tends to lower G2.

Have you guys ever had one of the inputs having fucked up color / brightness compared to other inputs on the set?
My trinitron's composite image is dark as fuck compared to S-video, using the same TV settings. Also my frontal composite input isn't giving me video, fuck's sake. I've had a spare 34 trinitron downstairs for like 5 months now and can't use it due to not being able to move it up through my super narrow stairs. life is suffering

has anyone upgraded a jvc-tm150cg with those custom made scart cards from ebay?
kinda considering it, just using s-video at the moment
they're pretty expensive though and that's not even including getting a "proper" scart cable

>>8594215
haven't used one, but those cards and their seller/maker have a really good rep. They're meant to do the job well.

>>8578637
This picture has so many awesome hidden details the more you stare at it. He also has the same keyboard and mouse as me

>>8574116
>>8574493
My current primary TV is a 32” Panasonic Tau. The previous owners of my house left it behind and I just hauled it up to the living room. Great TV, but it is really not great for anything before 6th gen.

>>8575125
IKEA furniture has gotten really fucking flimsy in the past couple of years. When it needed to hold up big CRTs it was pretty good. I still have my Fapper desk, it holds my Power Mac 6100, Sun Ultra 1 and the latter’s massive 21” monitor. Thing is solid as a rock. Even the Galant desk is pretty sturdy. But recently the desks have been so fucking light and flimsy it’s not even worthwhile looking at them.

>>8578637
The suspended hard drives get me every time.

When this guy dies of diabetes, I’ll be there to pick up that HP monitor

>>8594973
I agree about Ikea, got a lot more cheap feeling in the past few years

>>8594215
I remember that guy posting his bread board prototype here a couple years ago

>>8574017
Diamond Pro 2070SB, how good was this?

>>8595278
Really great

>>8589551
HD CRTs are worthless trash.

I've got the PS1 RGB SCART PACKAPUNCH sync on luma cable from RetroGamingCables.
Works on both PS1 and PS2 but they say "our PS1 cables have capacitors inside the SCART plug and our PS2 cables does not. This is to ensure maximum electrical compatibility for each console".
It appears to work fine on my PS2 but does it really make any actual difference if I did use this PS1 cable on a PS2? Like any timing difference or anything like that which I might not be observing. Happy to buy a PS2 one if so but I'm curious. Cheers!

Is there a good resolution that's between 1024x768 and 1280x1024?

>>8595524
1280x960
1200x900
1152x864

>>8595598
>1280x960
This is 4x 320x240 and generally plays well with a lot of VGA CRTs if you want a really clean, sharp look

>>8577215
>>8577427
Thanks for the advice! I might have a chat with a guy I know who used to repair radios for a living about it.

>>8595740
It could be that the capacitors in the power supply aren’t holding a charge like they used to, which turns the tv off when the voltage supply drops too low

i have one of those cheap portable 5" b&w tv's from the 2000's. it seems like it automatically adjusts the brightness depending on how bright the overall picture is. like it will get darker if there's a lot of light color and lighter if there's a lot of dark. i could be mistaken. but iirc that behavior was also found in early tv's before like the 80's and so i'm wondering: does anyone else have a similar model of portable tv that can verify this phenomenon? and does anyone know what it's called and how it was fixed?

>>8595468
The only practical difference I've seen is a ps2 cable won't sync properly on some CRTs with a ps1. A ps1 cable on a ps2 could have elevated sync voltages that might burn something up

>>8593107
>Love the color palette they used in Carrier.
I think that's just Dreamcast games in general

>>8596107
Cheers, I appreciate the info. I've yet to notice any issues myself.

>>8596131
I'd be most worried about PS1 cable on PS2, I have first hand experience with burning out a chip in my CRT from it

>>8584246
I hear running WinDAS to access Sony's calibration software takes hours to set up and run, can anyone vouch? How easy/hard is it to pick up?
I have an old monitor that's producing weird ghosting effects (similar to pic-related), but don't know if I need WinDAS to fix that or if it's something else.

>>8596180
Hmm yeah. I should probably buy the PS2 cable for the PS2 then, it does seem to point that way,

>>8596206
It’s not hard, you just need a usb to ttl converter. There’s plenty of clear to follow guides online

>>8596206
>I hear running WinDAS to access Sony's calibration software takes hours to set up and run, can anyone vouch?
It can be little hard to figure out how to get it running, but lucky for you, I figured it out for you. Here's the setup I've used, guaranteed to work:
WinDAS and DosDAS, patched and all https://files.catbox.moe/6eze81.rar
I used 64bit Windows 7 with this fix https://yewtu.be/watch?v=FR7apz7uWZ4
Used the red adapter from here https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000120687489.html

>picture
Do you have a GDM-F520 (or similiar)? Because this issue is quite common with GDM-F520's. The issue is stale contacts between the mother- and video boards, and possibly the neck board connector as well. So nothing to do with WinDAS.
Here's a cool party trick; apply pressure to the back of the monitor somewhere around the inputs. The ghosting may reduce.
Disassemble the monitor and reseat the video board. If it doesn't work, clean the contacts with some contact cleaner. Bend the pins a tiny bit.
This has always fixed it for me, though my case is very persistent, it always comes back in mere weeks.
I'm working on a permanent hardware mod to fix this problem permanently. I'll report about it once I actually get around to doing it

>>8596396
One more F520 owner. How many of us are out there? Most people will never know how great a CRT can look

>>8593171
People over here would probably pay you to pick up their 32inch sony wega. No one wants those 16:9 behemoths

Got me my first CRT (as an adult) today, only a 14" sony one but I love this little nigger like you wouldn't believe.

>>8596396
Thank you for the info. As for my monitor, it's "the one", pic from before was just the first thing I found online (but I'd like to get an F520 sometime in the future). Been wanting to restore it for awhile, but always push the project back, scared that I might fuck up somewhere along the way. It's not perfect, weird red flashes on initial boot and scuff on the anti-glare coating (will probably take it off before calibrating), but otherwise runs fine.
I have this USB-TTL sitting in my room, if this works. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D6LLX19
If so, I think I'll finally have a go at it sometime next week, and use your links and suggestions for reference. One last thing, I see guides suggest using 2 computers (one for running WinDAS, another for using a colorimeter), but is that *necessary* or can I theoretically do it all with one?

>>8596438
Usually none, not many seem to have this monitor.

Endgame chads reveal yourself, I especially want to see an Eizo F980.

>>8596482
Not had a FW900 so I don't know if that monitor suffers from the same sort of fault, but these likely have very similiar designs so the issue could be the same.
>I have this USB-TTL sitting in my room, if this works. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D6LLX19
Yea it'll work, it's exactly the same but for a 400% markup.
>I see guides suggest using 2 computers (one for running WinDAS, another for using a colorimeter), but is that *necessary* or can I theoretically do it all with one?
Not necessary, it's just that you end up doing that anway since you need to run old operating systems on a throwaway machine for WinDAS.
>scared that I might fuck up somewhere along the way
It's pretty hard to fuck up fortunately. Create a backup of the monitors rom as the first thing you do though.

Good luck!

>>8596268
I would for sure. I learned the hard way.

What's the best way to get 4:3 anime and shows from a computer onto a component/s-video CRT?

>>8596761
I use UMS and my 360

>>8596535
Thanks bro, hope to post some results in the future. Same, good luck with the hardware mod.

found pic related at goodwill for 15 dollars, is tthis good for playing ps2 gcube ? it has a component input but im not sure about inputlag.

>>8596851
why would it have input lag?

>>8596851
You're posting an LCD in an CRT thread, but to answer the question, only a handful of GC/PS2 games even have native widescreen support. If pillarboxes don't bother you, at that price, if should do you well in a pinch.

>>8596472
Cool it with the racism, buddy. You're not in /v/ anymore, you're an adult now.

>>8596861
its an lcd panel, 1366 x 768 resoluton

>>8596883
why the fuck are you posting it in a CRT thread?

>>8596472
Based

>>8596893
is there an lcd thread?

>>8596761
lol just burn a DVD nigga

>>8596761
I use this little fella. Of course it's finicky because it's chink manufacturing, but to be fair it still works to this very day and it's been a while since I bought it. It has physical buttons to fit the screen to your liking (kind of like moving around your CRT monitor display area). Came adjusted to PAL, so I had to navigate the menu (you can kinda see the menu even thought it jumps around vertically) and move the option to NTSC-U for it to work (since there's no physical switch for NTSC/PAL selection). Outputs to both composite and s-video, the latter looks insanely good on my Trinitron. Whenever I'm not using my OLED, I use this little guy to watch old anime the way God intended.
Never dabbled too much into component converters since component can do resolutions that a standard TV can't take (480p, 720p, 1080i) and I would rather not waste money on something that won't work. Save me the headache. Besides if you have s-video you won't miss component, specially not when your intent is to watch video instead of playing games. Though you could also use it to emulate PS2 and GameCube, and it looks exactly the same as the consoles would.
I'm rambling, but yeah it's good. Also bought an extra long VGA cable so I don't have to reposition my PC. I'm sure you can buy both on ebay, mercadolibre or whatever you use. Pretty sure it all comes from China, so AliExpress is a no-brainer, I would rather buy locally though if the price is right.
Forgot to mention, mine included de composite, s-video and VGA cables so you don't have to worry about that, yes they're shitty but it's not like you're going to tell the difference on an SD TV. Bad shielded analog cables are only noticeable on CRT monitors to me at least.

>>8596761
PS3 is a great media player for this purpose.

>>8596982
People keep saying this, but the PS3 codec compatibility is extremely limited and anything over 720p is going to struggle to play. I'm definitely not making a case for downloading lower quality versions of stuff you want to watch just so that you can lock yourself into watching them on a CRT TV. Of course, if you want to watch DVDs or BDs then yes, PS3 is the best.
Honestly, using anything other than a PC for downloaded content is a pain.

>>8596982
not with Cinavia it's not

>>8575336
>hours

More like weeks. I stupidly tried working on a poorly performing Apple 12" CRT monitor. I left it unplugged for the better part of a month, then went to work on it and accidentally touched something. I was blown right away from my workbench, could have been killed. My fingers went numb for about 40 minutes, I was afraid I would never get back my touch sensation again. And this was from a tiny little monitor that probably needed 12,000 volts. Imagine how badly you'd fuck youself up on a 36" TV if you didn't know what you were doing.

Apparently, more modern CRTs will drain the voltage if you leave them plugged in and turned off, but I don't care to find out if that's the case.

>>8596881
/vr is just old /v/ grown up with a wife and kids, but still with a need to impulsively call people and things niggers

>>8596761
Pi4 with RGB hat.

>>8582218
>replaced the part
>still collapsing
Time to kill myself

>>8597337
Did you even check what was causing the issue first?
Check resistors and capacitors

>>8597232
If you're broke as fuck cause RPi 4s are still overpriced then a Pi 3 b+ and 4 both have composite out.
The 3 has it by default but the 4 only needs you to enable it.

>>8597232
Don't people recommend the 3b+ for analog out because the 4 has issues with the clocks?

>>8597698
For the moment yes, but look up dynares

Why does composite from the NES look so much better than the SNES and N64?

>>8598103
If your TV has a good comb filter it does wonders. And the NES is simple enough for it to do a lot of legwork.

>>8596761
late but I have a shitty 480i hdmi to s video adapter and it does this great. I set my resolution to 480p in Windows and use Plex or MPC HC, no issues with aspect ratio. A pi also works like other anons said but it's kind of annoying to configure if you also want to use retropie at 240p.

>>8596861
It won't if you use an ossc

>>8574017
Got me CPD-G420 for $4 the other day with some slight wear and tear but for that money I'd say it's a bargain. I'm pretty pleased with the picture quality which is head and shoulders above that of LG 795ft Plus which I owned previously. But after a while I noticed a slight convergence issues in the left bottom corner of the screen so I was wondering, how do you tackle deconvergence that that only affects a specific part of the screen? Service menu was no help at all.

>>8598379
Windas let’s you adjust convergence region by region, or the old fashioned way is to glue magnets to the tube

>>8598394
Hmm. I was going to give WinDAS a go anyway, out of curiosity. Shame I'll have to buy additional parts, though. But it's better than the alternative.

>>8598394
By the way, you're the guy Sony guy? Could you tell me what are signs that a Trinitron tube is worn out?

Are lower-grade Diamond Pluses any good? Am I getting a good deal? (1500 Rub is $20)

>>8598486
Forgot pic.

>walk by my tv stand
>don't wanna play any games
>turn on my CRT anyway just to hear that cold power-on PLONG sound and touch the static on the screen
>turn it back off and go back to what I was doing

>>8598438
I’m not the Sony guy whoever that is but a tube is worn out if you need to crank the g2 way up (like 170+) while calibrating it in order to get the right brightness. It’s hard to tell if a tube is worn out without calibrating it, but it’s mostly about how bright it can get at certain voltage levels: if you have to crank all the brightness settings in order to see anything, your tube’s worn out. If the screen is pretty bright but the black levels are crushed/contrast is bad, it’s probably not your tube but your capacitors going bad

>>8598490
Not bad if you don’t have anything that’s in the same range it’s a perfectly fine deal

>>8597348
I’ve checked and replaced many capacitors but I haven’t checked any resistors, and I’m not really sure how to test transistors. There’s a ton of components and I’m a novice, I was just hoping it could be an easy fix

anyone recognize any of these models? anything decent?

>>8598856
My bet is on the one that weighs the least

Otherwise not sure

Try checking the date on the back, then look that model up online with that date

>>8598856
All the silver ones at least have s-vid, the ones in the back have component

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/21-CRT-XFLAT-High-repurchase-rate_1600346761656.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_image.46182d2d5hmn8V

is this even a crt

>>8599139
You'd think that it would be stupid to put a lcd into a chassis made for crts but chinese are weird creatures. It might be real though.

>>8598880
>>8598898
I'm in PAL territory so all of them probably have SCART, but I'm looking for one that can support NTSC/60Hz.

Guess I'll ask the seller for pictures of the product labels.

>>8599293
Listening to euros here it sounds like all of them would accept 60hz over rgb

>>8597176
Did you discharge it properly? As in, like everyone else does manually? I’ve worked on countless crts, never had a problem getting “blown away” like you have. Pic related, one I found on the side of the road.

>>8574350
I used to have a TV similar to that when I was younger, my dad pulled out of a house that was burnt down. The shell half melted, but it still worked, that shit was built like a tank, grab it.

>>8599414
He obviously didn't if he got shocked. The point is that you need to be very careful because a fuck up could be fatal and it pays to be careful since accidents happen even if you do know what you're doing.

>>8599498
What he described was not a fuck-up, it was him being retarded and not following proper procedure. I’ve been shocked by crts before, when I was new to crts. Nothing major, like 10 volts from a capacitor at max. But, because I followed procedure, I never got the full shock from one, like the dumbass over here.

>>8599498
Doesn’t turning it on and off a few times while unplugged discharge it?

>>8599553
That’s hearsay that I’ve never seen confirmed. Typically if set is equipped enough to do that, it already discharges automatically when unplugged. Still a good idea to discharge with a cable under the anode cap no matter how much the tv can supposedly discharge Itself

>>8599548
Even if that's true, these conversations start out with someone asking a question about opening a CRT that indicates they're obviously an amateur and people will tell them to be careful. But then some joker will always interject "oh don't worry a CRT at worst will give you a painful shock but no big deal" which really needs to be shut down right away out of an abundance of safety so the newbie doesn't fuck up and die.

>>8599569
I’m talking about caps
Anode discharge is obviously gonna still need manually discharging

>>8599594
Nobody has ever died working on a CRT.

I want to adjust the yoke on my tv because of a minor tilt but I'm scared as fuck of opening it even though I know just touching the yoke should be safe. And every crt safety video I've seen on youtube starts with some guy discharging the tv, but I'd have to have the fucking thing on.

>>8599710
Old TV repairmen used isolation transformers to reduce their risk. Also one hand behind back. So there isn't an arm to arm path through the heart.

>>8599717
My understanding of isolation transformers is that they are for live chassis tvs that don't already have isolated power supplies.

>>8598637
I have a Sony vga monitor that is nice and bright but the blacks are crushed. Could it really be the caps?

>>8595524
No, 1920x1440 at least or bust.

>>8600204
Yes, but that’s why these monitors have so many adjustments, so that you can calibrate to make up the difference. Your monitor just needs a good adjusting

Why are CRTs so cool yet so deadly? I have a 27" Sylvania in my garage(due to being left in my house during harvey) but didn't get flood waters on it. I was thinking about having to bug bomb it or something since I'm sure there is a spider nest in it from the webs under the composite jacks, but would it be safer just to say good bye to it?

Just realized that my set has trapezoidal distortion. Here's a picture where you can see it if you look at the border of the room. How can I deal with it?

>>8600674
Learn your tvs service code

>>8600674
find a way to change the pin phase on your set

>>8601163
Here:

>>8598646
Yeah I guess I'll go for it though even $20 is a bit on the expensive side. One of the blessings of living in an area where normies haven't caught up to the fact that the bulky boys collecting dust in their closet are highly sought after by weirdos on the internet is that they're happy to get rid of them for next to nothing. An average listing is rarely above $3-5. One time I even got a high-end iiyama for $2. But then, it's not every day you run into a Mitsubishi CRT so whatever.

>>8601492
Also, I think I saw one of those Sony PVMs you guys rave on about for something like $30 the other day.

>>8596438
>Most people will never know how great a CRT can look
Speak for yourself.

Dug on a playstation and n64
on a scale of one to essential, how important how important would it be to find a CRT vs investing in various converts for my run of the mill hdtv, especially if I am looking to expand my collection of retro games/consoles?

>>8602029
Ps1 and n64 will look like pure ass on an hdtv no matter what you do.

>>8598683
IC never goes bad it's always capacitors or resistors or maybe a transistor
I saw your post and knew this would happen