/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8571779
If they ever try to build this, I have a feeling that those two rolls will have the same transition problem that Son of Beast's loop had.

Server up for today, possibly until Monday.
97.69.221.186:11753
I've got it set to last weekend's map because we still have plenty of space to build and a good amount of income to work with.

>>8574384
based host anon

got some good coasters today

>>8574820

I spent a while on this, but I'm pleased with how it turned out.

>>8574885

>>8574885
Holy fuck.

>>8573942
I sincerely doubt it. Roller coaster technology have improved immensely since then and Son of Beast was built by a meme company. Gravity Group have no problem putting inversions on their woodies, I don't see why GCI would not be able to.

>>8574820
>>8574885
That red arrow looper looks somewhat cursed, but at the same time I like it. Well done.

>>8574820
I was so taken aback by the castle close-up I missed the entire park.

The rapids and go-kart interlinking is wonderful, and the rapids themselves being at water level is a great touch. Love that very short Steel Coaster too.

This thing's only source of speed is a segmented lift hill that drops it from 5 units high at the start. I always wanted to do a physics breaker but never got around to it before.

>>8575084
>rct physics
Get a load of this thing then. Reverse-incline launched station mode. Exits the station, fails to make the loop, rolls back, makes the loop at the second attempt, bounces at the top of the vertical spine and makes it back to the station without any chain lift. Counts 3 inversions.

Not exactly physics as it's caused but the train partially entering the station, but still.

>>8575019
Is there an example of a Gravity Group ride where an inversion is supported by steel pylons rather than the superstructure at both ends?

>>8575351
No, but what's the difference? Many of their modern coasters use steel support structures that just mimic the look of the classic wooden ones, I assume the support provided is about the same.

>>8575031
You mean the red cockscrew coaster?

>>8575392
Yeah, bottom corner.

spamming plants everywhere is quite effective

>>8575395
Seems pretty normal to me

>>8575410
It's a nice looking coaster. I like the batwing as a first element. But after that the elements are just too tight, if Arrow had built something like that (they probably would have) it would have been a torture device.

>>8575403
It is, but you need to choose better. A few trees and a couple shrubs that all match and spam that.

>>8575403
It is. I spend most of my Saturday evening shitting out a forest.

>>8575403
The mass scatter scenery button saves my life and works so well for natural environments. If not for that, I would mostly just give up on making forests/brush

It's been twenty years and I still can't design a good entrance and I always quit because I think I'm inept

>>8575820
Stop getting hung up on making something good, just make something and force yourself to move on - it is the only way to become good at making anything.

Finally got around to making some progress on this park, including completing the Monorail circuit. Still at a bit of a loss of how to continue; I want to build a Castle themed area/Ghost Train but not totally sure where or how. The limited scope for actual coasters in gentle-preference scenarios also sucks a bit.

>>8575548
Looks very nice and natural. The quarter-tile flower beds are a nice touch.

>>8575820
these couple from my latest gravity gardens turned out pretty well, i mostly just keep placing stuff til it looks good like this little amphitheatre looking entrance i got from the left over scenery that was in the area

>>8576736
>>8575820

>>8576062
The secret to a good looking park is the layout.
Every layout of a ride depends on the layout of the previous rides, buildings, gardens, etc.
Start by selecting a map with a good terrai, a few lakes and rivers, a few hills and mountains.
I usually avoid flat maps because they tend to make monotome and boring looking parks.
The next step involves adding footpaths.
Avoid doing single-line paths because guests will start complaining since they are being jammed in a crowd as more and more guests are coming in your park. I suggest at least doing double-lane paths.
You can then start adding restaurants, buildings, gardens, fountains, etc around the footpaths to make them look more aesthetic.
Finally you can start building some rides. Go wild.
Please note you are not obliged to follow the steps in one go. You can subdivide the park into small sections and build each one as a mini-park.

PS:
I usually avoid building a monorail ride at the beginning of the game.
A transport ride looks best when it looks like it's passing through the layouts of other rides, buildings, gardens, etc.
I suggest building a monorail when the park is around 75% complete. You'll be able to pass the monorail through rides,, buildings, gardens, etc while still having some degree of motion left by the uncompleted sections of the park.

>>8576739
The rock area of Gravity Gardens is one of the best places to build. I love that area.

>Spaghetti on the server

post you're forest frontiers

>>8578106
M'y forest frontiers is going to look like a mess full of beginner mistakes

>>8578361
that's to be expected, it is the first scenario

>>8578106
>>8578424
The poor path planning disgusts me greatly but at least it's not a big park. Using a pre-built Launched Freefall made me laugh. That Junior honestly fucking rules though, it caught me off-guard because it looks cooler than what I've built recently, even if its aesthetic is a total island in this park.

>>8578497
I'd say for Frontiers the shittier looking, the better

Make some truly grotesque stuff with it because it's so simple

>>8578497
I enjoy the civic park feature showcase around that observation tower.

>>8578513
It's definitely classic "I just learned that scenery helps this ride"

>>8578571
>that junior coaster
absolutely disgusting, I love it

>>8578106
I think I finally made a realistic looking park. What do you guys think?

>>8578106
>That little mound the ferris wheel is on.
Nice

>>8578660
>apartment building with beautiful green terrace on top
cute idea, I'm going to do this from now on

Should I? Or are some things better left in the past.

>>8579325
>Ever deleting your parks
Don't you ever do that. Now I miss the original shitty parks I made in 1999

>>8579332
I'm not going to delete. Just scared to look at them.

>>8579325
>ten years ago
nice, I think you should look just for nostalgia.

>>8579325
>censor
That better be your first name, nigger.

>>8579342
Might be older than that. This is all stuff off harddrives I've copied several times over the years. The computer was an emachine I had for years.
>>8579350
It's my brothers first name

>>8579357
Email it to him.

So all the saves are a lot older than 2010. That was probably the last time they got opened. Very strange assortment. Most of the parks are just spammed prebuilt coasters but there are some oddities.

>>8579367

>>8579368
If I remember correctly this was one of my earliest parks. I will have to dig and see if I can find some of the really stupid ones we made. With crazy high intensity rides.

>>8579368
The stats on that air-powered must be pretty severe

>>8579443
Under 10 intensity surprisingly

That's a wrap for the weekend server. There were some really cool builds this time around and I really love how everything turned out. Well done, everyone.
Completed save file:
https://files.catbox.moe/6kzckj.sv6

>>8579814
>that finishing Millenium Force-esque B&M in the back
Always makes my e-pussy wet to see this at the end

>>8579814
>removing one of my spaghetti coasters

fuck this censored shit

>>8580939
what's even funnier is that an anon closed the other and renamed it "Spaghetti But Not Operating" which I assume is a play on the standing but not operating coaster status.

>>8579372
love that bobsled colour theme

>>8580939
>my spaghetti coasters
excuse you, you did not build those. You only know how to place down pre-builts

>>8582234
Pretty sure it's a prebuilt sixflags bobsled.

>>8578106

>>8579456
I remember the feeling the first time I played without money.
>I can afford infinite helices

>>8583698
Very nice, I especially love the haunted house out in the woods. Great park theming. Also the wooden looks like it could be a real coaster. Although the only wooden I've rode in real life is Thunder Run at Kentucky Kingdom.

>>8579368
what in the fuck are those trees

>>8585172
Vine tree and tree with vines

>>8575084
>>8575106
How/why do these work?

>>8585353
A barrel roll increases vehicle height without calculating a corresponding change in speed, or something like that, so the half roll into corkscrew adds energy.

>>8585473
Close. Corkscrews decrease and increase speed while passing through them and it's connected to the start (going into inversion) and end (coming out of inversion) pieces separately, so if you split them with other pieces such as half-loops, twists/barrel rolls, quarter loops, etc and only use *one* corkscrew piece:
- a starting corkscrew that ends in another piece besides an ending corkscrew piece loses extra speed.
- an ending corkscrew piece that started from something other than a corkscrew gains extra speed.

A twist/barrel roll into one can even get a coaster going without a lift at all, it's just going to creep through the twist kinda slow. The gain is enough that when you bring the coaster back to its former elevation (drop to the bottom of the half-loop or rise to the twist height), it's still going faster than when it went through.

Today I misunderstood that the Mine Train Coaster doesn't have powered trains, built a decently long track that would have worked for a Mine Ride, then basically failed the scenario while fixated on it, because I didn't get why it wasn't making the last hills and tried to give it increasingly longer runways to "build up speed" in the mistaken belief that the trains' engine was just super weak and needed more time.

How's your building going?

>>8585816
bruh. also install rct1, your textures look weird without the rct1 base files

>>8586675
Not him but explain? I've only ever played rct2 and only have it with openrct. So it looks normal to me.

>>8586892
if you point openrct2 to your rct1 install, it allows you to use the rct1-style vertical faces.

>>8587621
the ever-joyful towering spaghet

>>8586932
Honestly that still looks completely unlike what they were going for. That whole section of the map merits domlition and flattening

>>8588891
*demolition

>>8588891
okay but that's what it looked like in rct1 too

>>8588957
I know. I'm saying its true-to-original status still didn't save it from being kinda bad looking.

>>8586932
>rct1 install
I suppose I should grab that, only have rct2 right now.

what map are we doing this weekend my dudes

>download RCT2 on GOG and use OpenRCT because this thread piqued my interests
>overwhelmed by a sense of nostalgia as I hear the RCT2 menu song for the first time in like 15 years

Quick question though: if I use the RCT2 extra mediafire link, will it give me all RCT1 scenario's?

>>8589604
is there one going to be hosted?

>>8587621
neat

>>8590962
yeah I'd like to

>>8590796
Answer me you cunts

>>8594496
yeah

>>8577576
Don't guests turn retarded when the path is double wide?

>>8594513
Thanks

>>8594496
No

>>8594528
Vanilla yes but OpenRCT2 fixes that, I believe.

>>8594528
>>8595857
no this is a rct1 problem that has been parroted for years. It was never a problem in rct2 the way it was in rct1

>>8594496
just pirate rct1 and use that

>>8596014
Not the same but still a problem. RCT1 treated double wide paths as endless intersections meaning constant decision points and constant random-walking. RCT2 still has issues at the boundaries. This was pretty quickly apparent in Crazy Castle with guests walking a loop on the stairs.

In parks with huge obnoxious pathing and no rides, do you just cut off the path connections to the wider park at the start? Like Evergreen Gardens as an early example. The guests who wander to the far reaches won't hit rides, will get unhappy, decide to leave, and then also be mad that it's taking them so long to leave (if they aren't lost altogether, which is likely). Or the 2 big castle scenarios with the ring path around on the outer walls, same deal.

Is there a better, or alternative handling of this type of starting park issue? Legit hoping for better because I feel like I'm wasting so much good scenic space by denying it, I just can't see it working well especially at scenario start where dropping your dough on a big transport ride would cripple you.

>>8596018
Ok

>>8596014
guests are still retarded with wider paths than they are with single paths

>>8596326
A lot of scenarios are designed around mitigating flaws. Some people cheese it by getting a refund for all the paths but you can go more naturally with no entry signs and fences and opening a section at a time as you get rides into it. Do that quicker by building across a long main thoroughfare instead of stacking the entrance before branching out.

>>8589604
>>8590962
>>8593991
BlueBalled or anyone else, here's something I posted a couple threads back. The old RCT community when I was 12 or so really had some soulful saved parks and landscapes/"workbenches". So here's one possibility:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080925095535/http://rctinc.tycoonplanet.com/workb2/pages/work1.shtml

>>8596519

>>8589604
Lightning Peaks but with the objective modified to be building 10 roller coasters

>>8596519
Kingdom of Magik
https://web.archive.org/web/20080925161549/http://rctinc.tycoonplanet.com/sg2/pages/page2.shtml

>>8596326
Part of the strategy of Evergreen Gardens is deciding what to do with the paths.

>>8596421
The no-entry isn't a good idea because staff will still patrol down unused area, I just clear 1 tile of joining path

>>8596529
Yo this map is cool. I'll host this now.
You know what that means, server is up now.
>>8574384 >>8574384 >>8574384 >>8574384

>>8596589
>and fences
That was intended as a fence breaking two adjacent path tiles, cosmetically better than deleting a tile entirely. Regardless, imagine not setting patrol areas on all staff the fuck are you even doing.

>>8596657
The no-entry serves no purpose in the fence case either, you have a fence.
and
>wasting time on timed scenarios nitpicking your staff paths
I hope you don't do this, or pause the game to nitpick and prolong everything for something already solved by a blocked path. You're going to hire like 30+ dudes over the course of a scenario, don't waste such time.

>>8578106
The money grind.

what do you guys do on that RCT server?

>>8596698
>The no-entry serves no purpose in the fence case either, you have a fence.
I could say that I should have typed "and/or" but it's easier to just call you a dense motherfucker.
>pause the game to nitpick
no shit
>don't waste such time
It's good practice, solves problems that extend well beyond this case and hardly takes any time at all. Each time you add an employee to cover the space of a few additional rides requiring them, you assign them to that space by spending like fifteen seconds painting it.

It was important to mention that, if using no entry signs, you need to control staff, but you're just being an absolute fuck now.

>>8578106
>>8596870
>>8573804
Which gets me this.

>>8596875
built rides

>>8596897
so several people build on one park or what?

>>8596906
yeah pretty much, we all contribute to a large park. So far 4 different people have played tonight

>>8596921
every rollercoaster in the screenshot was built by a different person

>>8596921
Love the line for your ride on the right. I'm gonna have to do that kind of thing from now on. I just need to incorporate more space per ride instead of trying to stuff them in. If I'm doing a scenario then dueling shuttle loops will make enough money for the rest of the game and I can remove them once the rest of the park is done.

>>8596876
Notice that I was polite to you and you started flinging shit first >>8596657
Calm the fuck down and admit mistakes with some dignity, christ. You saying incorrect shit is in fact a good reason to post correction posts, don't let it get to your head so much.

>>8596894
damn it's been a while since I've seen an OG RCT1 screenshot.

>>8596906
just join it anon, don't be shy
just don't be an asshole and waste money or anything.

>>8596949
i played rct2 only 2 or 3 times and im not that good at bulding. maybe if i get more experience

>>8596947
Yeah I had to restart my computer 4 times forcefully for those screenshots.
Unfortunately I don't have RCT2 so I can't do whatever it is I need to do to play this game effortlessly by downloading whatever from the OP.

>>8596963
just acquire RCT2 from gog-games. It's a 20 year old game at this point

>>8596943
>flinging shit
Have you forgotten that you're on 4chan?
>admit mistakes with some dignity
>It was important to mention that, if using no entry signs, you need to control staff
I acknowledged that you pointed out something that can matter if you're unaware or taking a shortcut. That's hardly a mistake on my part and it for damn sure doesn't make what I said incorrect. This exchange is entirely you choosing to assume that I am a retard and enforce your personal preference as the gold standard. Literally my first response was explaining that your suggestion was contained in my original post. Now you're calling me mad for posting on 4chan like I'm on fucking 4chan and using it as an excuse to not respond to my rebuttal but simply outright declare it wrong.

>>8596943
>>8597032
>all this shit because anon said 'and' in a list of two items when he should have said 'or' and said in one word what should have been three
You're both responsible for this escalating. I'd say that the one arguing tone is the bigger bitch, though.

The real issue is the autist pretending you don't have enough time to click paths for your maintenance men and trap them by the exit of every ride.
That's right, 1 per ride, even Haunted House.
The Handymen all get paths and jobs too. Then you either hire some handymen just to mow and let them free or give them squares too.
Same for trapping entertainers in long queues.

>>8596943
>>8596657
>imagine not setting patrol areas on all staff the fuck are you even doing
>flinging shit
what an absolute faggot go back to r e d d i t (lmao is that spam filter still triggering?)

>>8597060
I think three rides per mechanic is the sweet spot really. but broadly yes everyone should have an assignment otherwise you get most of your handymen randomwalked into a corner and your coverage becomes shit

>>8597060
I think you have the tism here

>>8597087
This is all old intel from various cheat dot com sites.

I never did get to rename guest 1 so he has max money or whatever it is, or get half of those to work. The first guest on Forest Frontiers is like guest 4.

>Anon described this with "you can go more naturally with no entry signs and fences and opening a section at a time"
>Calm the fuck down and admit mistakes with some dignity, christ.
Ahahaha this fucking place

>>8596894
sensationally compact

>>8597032
Again, dumbfuck, I'm addressing that because YOU uttered this thin-skinned line, not me:
>>8596876
>but you're just being an absolute fuck now.
Which I'm going to be, now that you decided to be a huge cunt first for no good reason. You suggested a no-entry sign, I correctly pointed out this was flawed, you doubled-down and introduced more flaws with over-managed patrol routes instead of just saying "yeah my bad, just fences or path deletion would work better", that was jn error, and now you're having a fit on /vr/ because - and this is repeating on account of you not grasping this - YOU started behaving like a thin-skinned child on this correction. It's laughable you think I was, is daddy's little boy not used to other people calling his shit?

>>8597073
Yeah my bad, should have linked your next post where you were more obviously insulting and calling me insulting, before I was. Now I am, you're a fucking retard anon.

>>8597112
>a fence or a banner has caused this spergout
some incredible autism on /vr/ct today

Did server died? I'm no longer able to connect.

>>8598130
at some point it froze last night, I'll have it back up in a moment when I find the autosave

>>8598689

thanks fren

itsa gud park

Roller Coasters are fun but don't forget that Cedar Point had like 5 Scrambled Eggs-likes like a decade ago. Ya just got to decorate them.
Also 3 Bumper Cars and 3 Car Rides.
More Scrambled Eggs if you count Matterhorn and the ride that's exactly Matterhorn but was red.

>>8599151
Unfortunately the there's only two rows of thrill rides in the server. BlueBalled can alter the object list as they like...I wanted to use the park to expeirment with decoration anyway

>>8598689
I can't connect either. It says Authenticating... and then just Disconnected: before I see any of the actual park.

>>8599151
I never realized they had that many when I went around 10 years ago. That being said I was also high on benzos the whole time and spent the whole time on coasters.

>>8599050
That Junior's area is so fucking aesthetic

>>8599595
Just seen it. Every support out of the way of the paths is exceptional construction.

>>8599391
yup it froze again. Back up.

>>8599740
Something about this map keeps crashing my game. I've put it back up but that's 3 times today that it has gone down. Should we switch to another map?

>>8600123
nah, its just you

>>8600163
yeah I know it's just me

but I'm hosting it, so that's where the problem lies

>>8599503
Let's see...
Troika
A couple of kiddie ones like Snoopy's airplanes.
Scrambler
Calypso
Matterhorn and Super Himilaya if you count those since RCT doesn't have that really.
I don't think RCT has a witch's wheel either so you could count that. AWW MAN! They got rid of that... I never got to ride it. I was too scared as a kid because it goes upside down so many times.
And that one what with the german lady with the big boobs. I guess the idea is you're swinging on her skirt.

>>8600715
Witch's Wheel is an enterprise.

>rehost server
>go take a shit
>server is down when I get back

map's fucked my dudes. Any idea what could be causing it? In the meantime, I'm hosting a different map to see if that works. You can download our unfinished (but beautiful) park here: https://files.catbox.moe/ylpeoq.sv6

>>8600763
>Sv6
I'm guessing the workbench should be hosted as the recent-most file format. It's a wild guess.

lmao so whoever is setting the tiny little handyman patrols in the server, I think you missed a spot

>>8602248
Real big brain move is hiring so many janitors that it doesn't matter whether or not you assign them to areas.

>>8602248
there's no money, it makes more sense to just spam 80 of them and call it a day

>>8599050
is there a save file for this?

>>8603249
yes, the catbox link here:
>>8600763

>>8603254
I'm blind. Thank you anon

tips for making parks look prettier?

>>8604440
add some scenery

>>8604493
So this..........is..........Egypt..........Land of.............the Pharohs......................................damn...................

>>8604493
The pathing traps here are art

>>8604440
Re-tile desert areas as green grass and add coniferous trees according to Northern wilderness ideals

>>8605561
now THIS is podracing

>server is dead again

>>8606292
yeah I only host it on weekends
I'll look into keeping it up all week

I started playing through the campaign(s) of RCT3 for the heck of it. So far they're all quite easy, but it's quite fun.
Pic related is the 2nd one.

>>8607429

3rd park, demolished the big-ass go-karts that were there so you're left with a nice canyonous landscape to do cool stuff with.

and number 4 which I just finished. Should probably start planting some trees in this barren wasteland. Also I know it's super basic but I finally realized that you should use block sections to increase the capacity of coaster

>>8607443
I don't remember RCT3 looking THAT bad. Is your LOD even cranked up?

>>8607660
turned of AA and running it in wine might have something to do with it too

Can you beat free park entry scenarios without changing ride prices from their default 1 or 2 dollars?

>>8608119
With scam coasters and right planning of patrolling staff and building rides together close, yes.

>>8608119
I always end up with a huge abundance of cash on those maps so I'll say yes. Also,
loans loans loans loans loans loans loans

>>8573804
Lol it sux

>>8608119
when I was a kid, I made everything in my park $1. Entry, rides, even some food.

I had trouble beating Trinity Islands with that strategy.

>>8608119
Maybe on easy scenarios, otherwise it's a straight path to bankruptcy

>>8608313
I always put the loan to max as a kid. Number gets bigger was my thinking.

>>8611667
didn't help that RCT1 had stupid low interest rates. It was basically free money 99% of the time

>>8611667
In a strict sense it's lower cost to just increase exactly as you need it but this game isn't hard enough for that amount to matter, kid you's playstyle is fine, sometimes it's better to just get shit done uninterrupted than fiddle the fine details

>>8610634
Scenario length might be the biggest limiting factory.

>>8615990
It's a good thing the ai can pathfind to a ride because imagine trying to find the one free maze in a sea of mazes.

>>8616042
nightmare

Rode my first Gerstlauer a few days ago. Pretty neato. Was also surprised by the B&M invert's bonus helix, strong enough sustained positive gs to make my feet tingle.

And my brother was having trouble believing that gravitational potential is enough to get a coaster through its run, that it must have a motor or something, which was amusing.

comfy little maintenance area in my bumbly bazaar

>>8618465
there is something super aesthetic about the mining scenery

>>8618465
How long that Flying Coaster goes after the station before its lift hill makes me uncomfortable, isn't it just inching along at station speed over those long curves?

>>8618516
that's the end of the ride and brake run, the coaster does a 180 turn straight into the chain-lift.
might be a perspective thing idk

>>8618475
the coaster and flume look brilliant

Which map shall we host this fine weekend?
(I'm not the server guy btw)

>>8618962
Let me make this >>8596540 one current build-compatible. Then I'll redo this one >>8596519

If i join in on the server which version of openRCT do i need? Have to redownload shit due to pc issues

>>8618787
Oh lmao. That's such a strong trick of perspective that it's hard to unsee even with it explained. My bad.

>>8619000
typically its just the latest stable version, though with this >>8618965 who fucking knows

>>8618465
fuck yes, I love details like this

>>8619000
serverfag here, latest stable is what we're using right now.
Also map time, what are we playing bros?

>>8619709
too damn late right now for sure, but if a map comes up saturday night i'll be there

>>8619709
I'd like a map like Extreme Heights

I'm >>8620567
I'm currently building a map like that.
It will take about half an hour
If you have any suggestions, please tell

>>8620643
how about a collection of small ponds surrounded by trees?

>>8620643
word. For now I'll host Extreme Heights, and when I get your map, we'll switch to that.

>>8620650
Creating the ponds will take a bit of time but sure why not

>>8620675
that's okay, I have some dumb bullshit to do today so I can't even immediately switch the map right when you post it

wtf????

>>8620779
>when you're too deep for RCT

It's been so long I haven't created custom maps.
Terrain generation is extremely handy.

>>8620798
Alrighty here's the link: https://files.catbox.moe/emvqje.sc6

>No money
>Warm weather
>Guests prefer intense rides
>Included most roller coasters, including customs like RMC hybrids and single rails
>No car rides and boat hires (fuck those)
>Vast selection of scenery and paths

>>8620798
>>8620827
C'mon anon, at least make some changes to the landscape, 100% generation with no manual changes is lazy as fuck.
also big hills like that with no flat areas is cancer to build on

>>8620880
I personally like wild landscapes.
It forces you to get creative with your park layout.
Parks look best with crazy layouts

okay server's up. new map, let's go

>>8620827
intense ride preference guests actually kind of suck shit. Half of these rides are useless with those guest preferences.

I'll set guests to ignore intensities.

>>8621049
Thanks man
You're the real MVP

corkscrew through two loops

>>8621242
hell yes nigga

It's been 2 weeks boys, get ready

NEW: >>8621637

>>8573804
Good stuff

>>8621626
For what