/vr/ - Retro Games

>the appeal of original hardware
A - collecting
B - you still have or ended up with original hardware

ok

> I can download any game I want, whenever I want and if I dont like it after a few hours just delete the rom and move on.
spotify mindset

>>8573552
I still have a PS2 with a lot of PS1 and PS2 games. I would still rather emulate that stuff on my PC though than deal with having a dedicated game station in the living room.

Almost everyone here emulates. Original hardware is for autistic collectors.

>>8573557
I download all my music from soulseek though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sudRK6-qL-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivAZkuBbpsM

just ain't the same as the real thing

>>8573559
I get that sentiment. Almost all the consoles I own right now were broken. Some still are.
>PSP analog stick drifts
>3DS charger port loose
>PS1 disc issues
>PS3 YLOD
>Genesis w/ loose power jack
It can be a lot of work, money, time, or some combination of the three.

>>8573543
>why should i cope and shitpost
Because you're an angry insecure little poorfag bitch that needs to go back.

>>8573543
Gonna have to sprinkle some parsley on you. I agree, but don't even validate the collectards by asking.

>>8573568
only extreme autists/boomers care about this shit. damn, just play PS1 stuff like normal retro gamers.

>>8573543
soulless

>oh no the imaginary boogeyman told me not to emulate
well I sure hope we can track him down someday

>>8573605
Original hardware is the lifeless body. Roms are the immortal soul.

>>8573601
seriously die.

just use your phone

>>8573543
Consider that the game was probably made with the FPS limitation in mind.
Playing with the original hardware is literally playing as the developers intended, i.e., how they thought the game could be objectively best experienced.

>>8573543
>I can download any game I want, whenever I want and if I dont like it after a few hours just delete the rom and move on
you can do the same thing with original hardware if you know how to follow some simple tutorials on softmodding your console. emulation is fine too but I don't know why the FPS matters at all desu. does the frame rate of films and TV shows it bother you too?

why dont you fuck off back to /v/ instead of shitting up this board.
fucking rule change and fucking faggot zoomers it brought here

>>8573638
he's right. the only relevant retro platform are Japanese consoles and select 90s PCs games.

>>8573543
Literally just play however you guys prefer. I’m sure some ways are best for certain people but we are all different and with different circumstances.

>play at 60fps
>Game becomes insanely difficult because it was balanced around slowdowns

Space invaders isn't even programed to speed up, the more aliens you kill. It starts off slow due to slowdown. If you used an emulator to lock it at 60fps, the game you would have like 5 seconds to kill the first row, or else you would get a game over lmfao

>>8573560
>Almost everyone here emulates.
You don't actually believe this do you invader?

>>8573769
This board was ruined during the 2016 election, well before the rule change.

When it comes to 2D games, it really doesn't matter, I prefer the original hardware. Unless it's the SNES, then you may as well emulate to overclock it as the console itself was shit. But when it comes to 3D games, you'd have to be insane to want to play them on original hardware over emulation. It's the same idea of playing the console versions of modern games when you could be playing the PC version, it's just leaps and bounds better. Ironically, even though emulating 3d games should give you the superior experience, emulators for them are rather poor so you may have to play some games on the original hardware.

>>8573543
Don't ask. Just do it.

>>8573543
If you aren't, then you are not getting the true experience as intended. Save states and faster frames are not what was designed. You can do it, but dont act like you played the real deal.

As for constantly jumping across games without any form of dedication, that's just ADHD.

>>8573543
Original hardware is cool and emulating is cool
I don't see why it has to be a competition.

>>8573812
What is it about early 3D that filters so many zoomers

>>8573826
They weren't there, cant adapt.

>>8573568
Apple II emulation is surprising meh and undercooked for such simple hardware.

>>8573576
My toaster NES has a loose power jack. I need to fix that.

>>8573563
based, i use nicotine

>>8573543
Depends on the system. A lot of emulators suck ass.

Good luck emulating Iron Soldier for the Jaguar.

>>8573754
>Playing with the original hardware is literally playing as the developers intended, i.e., how they thought the game could be objectively best experienced.
There are several games where this is objectively false, especially in the early 3D days. The developers of DK64 really didn't enjoy that their game ran at 10fps and required a peripheral to not crash due to overflow errors.

>>8573543
If I have it around, I prefer using original hardware for everything that came before the Wii, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. I don't really care about upping the framerates or resolutions for any of those games unless they have decent PC ports because generally the way they were originally presented is perfectly playable and, in my opinion, more aesthetically pleasing than they are when emulated and modified.
I'm obviously not averse to emulating a game if I don't own it; that's almost always how I decide whether or not I want to go to the trouble of collecting a physical copy of a game in the first place. I also like playing backups on my Saturn and using flashcarts when it makes more financial sense to do so as opposed to collecting individual games. I like video games.

Why do emuniggers insist on making threads like this?

>>8573794
>Space invaders isn't even programed to speed up, the more aliens you kill. It starts off slow due to slowdown.
huh i learned something new today

>>8573543
The fact that you see using a homogenized two stick 4 button controller for retro games as a positive already shows that you don't get it and you never will get it.

>>8574090
This is fine. Why would this even be an issue.
I would not want to go back to my Atari VCS stick from the early 80s.

>>8574110
Except for when you are trying to play Sega games that use 6 buttons or N64 games. Try thinking before posting. Do you really think mapping the C Buttons to the second stick or YZ of sega controllers to the triggers is acceptable?

>>8573543
This is increasingly the sensible, based decision.

>>8574090
The Saturn controller was awful

>>8574138
no its not
repent

emulation often = higher resolution rendering, better performance, any controller you want, remappable controls, easier modding etc.

>>8573975
This is true even nowadays e.g. when Switch exclusive games finally come out on PC/console and look and run 100x better, e.g. Monster Hunter Rise or Daemon X Machina. Switch emulation is also better than "playing on the original hardware" since you can e.g. emulate Metroid Dread at 4K@60fps which is impossible on a real Switch.

>>8574090
>>8574119
Retard.

Pretty much the only games that use XYZ on the Genesis are the Mortal Kombat series and it's actually a lot more comfortable to offload run and block to shoulder buttons or triggers.

>>8573821
the most sane man here and he doesn't get his (You).
for shame

>>8574150
You are a fucking idiot holy shit.

>>8574157
Cope autist. I would've given my left nut to have shoulder buttons on the Genesis controller back in the day.

>>8574163
Just keep making yourself out to be more of a retard.

>>8574126
is there any reason to horde 40 year old decaying plastic outside of e-celeb cred?

>>8574170
Maybe the people who own them like using them or at least enjoy seeing them in their living spaces. Who can say

>>8574170
If you're LGR and...oh wait, see above about e-celeb cred.

>>8574170
Apple II emulation is kinda meh.

>go to a CRT fag thread on /vr/
>people only ever post photos of title screen and first level, the only thing that matters is how many cool points their TV gets online
>go to an emulation thread on /v/
>people are actually completing games and sharing their experiences, giving recs etc
original hardware fags are mentally ill

>>8574216
>go to an emulation thread on /v/
>people are actually completing games and sharing their experiences, giving recs etc
This never happened

>>8574197
but who gaf anyway when only Japanese console/arcade games matter in the end?

>>8574223
True I made that part up. But imagine if I didn't, now who looks bad?

>>8574223
Wrong. Just check out PCSX2 or Dolphin threads, they always have tons of actual game discussion. There are still so many JRPGs that can only be played through emulation.

>>8574239
Fuck off.

>>8574248
>There are still so many JRPGs that can only be played through emulation.
Explain

>>8574248
>they always have tons of actual game discussion
Can't be. Just the other day I was shitposting in one about scaling ruining the image and you know what I saw? Nobody playing games. Just goes to show emulator kids only play Mario and other games they've already played.

>>8574250
I meant the ones with no modern ports, normal people aren't going to buy an old ass console + an overpriced disc on eBay just to play a mid-budget JRPG from late 90's / early 2000's. Like say Wild Arms series.

>>8574259
Oh so you just lied/made some shit up to fit your argument.

>>8574281
yeah but imagine if i didn't, now who looks bad?

>>8573795
I've been browsing this hellsite since 2006 and yes I totally believe it. ROMs and emulators are so accessible whereas original hardware is scarce and expensive.

>NOOOOOO DONT BE NEGATIVE ABOUT SPENDING ALL MY MONEY ON SHINY PLASTICERINOS NOOOOOOOOO

>>8574336
I bet you have some RGB zoomer gamer desktop that cost over $2000

>>8574297
yeah emulation was always popular here, but anti-hardware sentiment just reeks of poorfag cope.

>>8573812
>But when it comes to 3D games, you'd have to be insane to want to play them on original hardware over emulation. It's the same idea of playing the console versions of modern games when you could be playing the PC version, it's just leaps and bounds better. Ironically, even though emulating 3d games should give you the superior experience, emulators for them are rather poor so you may have to play some games on the original hardware.
I guess I can agree to this. The only 3D-era console I've bothered to keep around is PS2 and that's only because of how dogshit PCSX2 is. If the system had an actually good emulator I would never bother with the original hardware again.

>>8574371
uggh, the worst

>>8574239
>>8574290
This rebuttal is so incredible, I'm going to use it in arguments from now on.

Emulation preserves the soul of the game (rom) and transports the soul into different bodies.

>>8574340
Unironically a better investment than a litany of single-purpose legacy game consoles you actual fucking manchild Xoomer.

>>8574553
posession

>>8573632
Correct

>>8573560
>almost everyone here emulates
>almost everyone here save states and rewinds
None of you will ever be real gamers.

>>8573543
The only reason I have an Xbox collection is because there's no emulator

>>8573543
Original hardware would be better if it was currently affordable.
https://www.businessinsider.com/retro-gaming-market-being-overtaken-by-speculators-2021-9

>>8573975
True, but the game was still designed with those limitations in mind. DK64 funny enough provides a great example: The opening demo desyncs on the Wii U Virtual Console version because of the faster cpu, and a few of the minigames are harder due to the lack of lag.

>>8574336
Do you think playing light gun games with a mouse is the same as a light gun?

>>8574912
NOOOooo. You can't like low frame rate no matter what!!!!

>>8574903
Now that i think about it. Wouldnt it be the easiest style emulator to make? Considering its literally just a windows 2000 direct x pc???

>>8574371
anyway, is it really worth it to have a giant chunk of rotting plastic occupying your home to play Eurojank games that have aged like sour milk?

>>8573543
OH FUCK ANOTHER LOW EFFORT EMULATION VS HARDWARE THREAD YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS OH FUCK OH GOD YEEEEEESSSSSSSS

>>8574901
>None of you will ever be real gamers.
thank god.

>>8574927
yeah you'd fucking think

>>8573543
>I can use my favorite controller (DS4)
You fucking faggot that controller sucks dick

>>8574128
this is the fate of plastic horders. their ancient capacitors and power supplies catching fire and hopefully taking them with it. no emulator or MiSTER user had to worry about this.

>>8574934
>is it really worth it to take interest in retro games?
Don't you have some blacked threads to be bumping on /v/?

>>8574951
>power supply for your beefy gaymer rig fails
>house catches fire
Emulationsisters...

>>8574941
Thats a store. That guy is a ginormous faggot.

I was there with a friend once. They just got in some weird prototype hardware, and my friend asked what it was worth. For some reason, the guy said "it's not for sale" to which my friend responded "okaym.... but how much is it worth?" But guy fucking flipped and screamed "ITS NOT FOR SALE!!" so we just fucking left.

Too many retards in this country are business owners. Likely because they're too retarded to hold a job otherwise, without getting fired.

>>8574951
AFAIK that happened because he had too much shit plugged into one power strip and it overloaded/heated. Hopefully most of you aren't that dumb.

>>8574982
Also I bet he's a console babby and has never played and beaten Jet Set Willy on a real Spectrum.

>>8575004
he's American, how would he have ever even seen a Spectrum IRL?

What's with the increase of shitty emulation vs hardware threads?

>>8574941
Never trust a grown man who wears a T-shirt with vidya characters.

>>8575010
While we're on that subject, what are used game stores like over there? Do you go in them and there's shelves of Spectrum cassettes or what?

>>8575014
because this /v/tard flame war shit doesn't get deleted anymore

>>8574982
im sure every retro game shop owner looks identical to that pic, probably wasn't the same store

>>8575029
no they don't. it would be console games. only autistic British Gen Xer nerds give a fig about home computer games.

>>8575029
nah there's not much interest in zx stuff, the old stuff is all atari 2600 and sega master system
I have only seen like 3 spectrums in my life and I've been into "retro" games forever

>>8574228
The salt is palpable.

>>8574949
Objectively has the best dpad

>>8574949
compelling argument anon

>>8573552
>collecting
What is the appeal of collecting? Do collectors play the games they collect or just put them on shelves for internet points?

>>8575417
It's not an argument, it's a statement of fact.

>>8575696
Fact: DS4 had the best dpad and is the best controller for emulation

>>8573543
you shouldn't. If you want to play the game, just use an emulator. If you want to be a soiboi collectionist, then find the original hardware.

>>8575695
a good collection could end up being highly valuable in the future. That said, most have them for internet points.

>>8575924
>a good collection could end up being highly valuable in the future.
You the kinda faggot that gets his shit encased in plastic shells by some scammer company?

>>8575940
no but that's a good idea. If a retard wants to buy a toy from 20 years ago with an inflated price, why shouldn't I do it? If I don't do it, someone else will do it.

Original hardware just works
Pop in the game and ur playin
I wouldnt expect an autistic redditor to understand

>>8576061
nigga there are legit 60 fps pc ports for Super Mario 64 that work with the click of an exe file lmao.

Notice how it's always emulationfags making these threads

Notice how you always see emulationfags saltposting in physical/collection threads, but never the other way around

>>8576564
I have also noticed this.

>>8576128
you can not seriously believe that the super mario 64 pc port is less autistic than just emulating the original game or playing it from a cartridge.

>>8573557
I never understood this. With Spotify or steam or Nintendo switch online sure they can take those files away whenever they please. But if I download a rom the only thing getting it off my computer is if I delete it I’m not at the whims of a corporation and I can duplicate and share the file with whoever I want. So what’s the issue?

>>8574582
>complains about people buying things
>spends 5 times that on some cringy gamer pc
yikes

>>8576582
It's retards who just started emulating two months ago and are projecting their "choice paralysis" on others.

>>8573543
what select handful of games are you referring to that you can emulate at >60 fps? most console games from that era are hardcoded around an expected framerate, changing the fps results in the game speed itself changing

>>8576590
Cope. None of your expensive plastic shit will work in 20 years.

>>8576061
>Original hardware just works
yeah until it doesnt lol

>>8577052
Then you learn 2 solder, zoomster.

>>8576948
Il bet you a 1000 bucks it does and any that "doesnt", is minor repairs at best.

Your modern emulation hardware/modern consoles has a significantly higher chance of not working in less then 20 years.

>>8577059
I do know how to solder

>>8576948
Not the anon you're coping to but I have systems older than your dad that work. The only thing that won;t be working in 20 years if you. Forever alone in your parents basement.

>>8576948
You can't really believe this, can you? A lot of the retro shit I own is pushing 30 and works just fine. Old computers and hi-fi stuff from the 70's even work fine to this day. This stuff is all pretty easy to repair too, especially cartridge-based consoles

>>8575695
I’ve never been into collecting myself, but I can kind of understand why some people like it. They want to own a small piece of (video game) history, or own something rare. It’s silly but not too different from collecting baseball cards or coins or whatever else

I’m happy to just play the games

>>8573543
I use a MiSTer FPGA for stuff it supports. It may not have all of the bells and whistles of a regular emulator, but at least I can play with cycle accuracy and virtually no input delay.

Old crap is a stupid hipster thing, like eating vegan (SO peasant).

>>8576128
imagine still wanting to play this game so much that you port it to PC

>>8574259
That's a you problem.

>>8577605
it's objectively better with wasd+mouse to move camera

>>8577617
Mario 64 is shit, so I'll take your word for it

>>8574150
>Pretty much the only games that use XYZ on the Genesis are the Mortal Kombat series
thanks for confirming you're a zoomer who never played a retro game

>>8574090
How is this criticism? Why does this matter? Just use your prefered usb six button controller for your emulators

>>8577617
>keyboard+mouse is better for Mario 64
Yikes. Analog movement will always have the edge over wsad. Just look at what a disaster Mario 64 ds was.

>>8577906
I never really got the hate for the DS port. I guess I'm biased because I played it before the original version, but I never really had a hard time controlling whichever character I was playing. Analog controls obviously feel better, but I feel like the DS version is totally worth playing for the handful of extra levels and the extra characters. The only thing I really dislike about it is that powerups are tied to different characters.

>>8573576
Four of those are trivial to fix

Nobody cares what you do.

another cope general.

>>8577906
Mouse to control the camera is vastly superior.
>>8578176
>saying cope
back to /v/ kid

>>8576948
Hilariously misguided cope. Hardware build 30 years ago were assembled with higher quality capacitors and solder joints than modern planned-obsolescence junkyard fodder.

>>8577062
>emulation will not work in 20 years
proof?

>>8578206
>vastly superior
Actual movement trumps camera angles.

>>8573794
Did You Know that ...

>>8574903
>>8574927
>>8574943
If MS was really crafty they would've just had the Xbox running a console front end over Windows. That way, they'd be able to advertise on the box that you can play any Xbox game on your couch or on a compatible Windows PC, kinda like what they're doing right now how every Xbox "exclusive" is now Windows 10 PC compatible too.

>>8578176
That image is so ironic and shows no understanding of Jung and projection at all. Narcissists often believe others are jealous of them, like in this thread. I just hate the dumb consoomer culture and snobbery that goes with collecting stuff. Buying stuff is simply not a hobby, it's soulless and stupid. American consooooom culture is what's ruining the West.

>>8574901
>unironically making an appeal to “real gamer” status in [current year]
Anon, I….
>>8574913
How often are you playing light gun games m8? Be honest

Imagine getting this emotional over how people play with their toys. You gen Zers are some of the most pathetic, emotional, and feminine retards I've ever seen.
And not only do we have another tired emulation vs hardware thread shitting up the catalog, we have TWO of them. I see that the janny is working so hard his salary needs to be doubled. You deserve it buddy.

>>8574297
This post reeks of newfag.

>>8579890
>tl;dr i'm just seething because i'm poor

>>8580302
Was it the word "hellsite" that tipped you off too?