/vr/ - Retro Games

Calibrate your displays

>>8538517
>title in the name field
you fucking idiot

>>8540982
Bump

>>8538549
every time I do I'm convinced I've made it worse and have to calibrate it again, it's a never ending cycle
>>8538901
I kind of like it

Reposting mine to bump the thread because I like it when you all talk about old tech.

>>8538517
Recently picked up a '79 Magnavox just like pic related for $35. Needs some picture adjustments but it is otherwise near mint condition.

>>8541060
>Red
>Green
>Blue

>>8538517
It’s really easy to get free CRTs these days. I see them pop up pretty often on reselling apps and stuff

>>8541109
Best part is it matches my '79 magnavox record cabinet I bought a few years back.

>>8538549
>Calibrate your displays
How?

>>8538549
Agreed
though picrel was actually never serviced when this pic was taken

>>8541247
fiddle around with it until random combinations make it look better

>>8541046
How's that sound system? I've been using the built in speakers in my monitor for years, been idly considering upgrading to an external sound setup

>>8541764
Whatever sound system you use, it all comes down to your speakers ultimately. A receiver is very handy for being the heart of a set up, since all your speakers will go into it and you can easily swap inputs with a button

So, I have a great TV that was a gift from a dearly departed family friend and I use it a ton, but I was thinking about RGB modding it because it lacks anything aside from composite and RF. If I mod it, can I just use an off the shelf RGB console cable to plug into the TV, or do I have to mod my consoles as well? I'm NTSC, so I am lacking in knowledge of SCART and stuff.

>>8540982
>>8541029
Tranny keyboards.
>>8541046
>>8541216
BASED

>>8541060
the console television doesn't get the respect it deserves around here

Finally got around to tinkering with the 25" Sony XBR I got a few months ago. It has some purity/magentization issues around the edges; it's VERY particular about which direction it wants to face. I was worried the issue might be permanent, but after a bunch of yoke finagling, ring tweaking, and ultimately just taping some damn magnets to the side of the casing, I got it looking pretty decent; some minor convergence issues in a couple of corners that I'll try to fix later, but all-in-all, really nice for a 36-year-old set. I feel like the degausser might be weak or failing, because I managed to clear up a lot of the discoloration by making it kiss my PVM and firing the degauss on that, which is WAY more powerful.

>>8541764
>been idly considering upgrading to an external sound setup
This is the best thing you can do for your gaming setup, new or old. People really overlook how much audio counts for immersion. Modern audio equipment sucks so hard, too; flatscreen speakers and soundbars are such garbage. Getting any cheap old amp and a decent pair of speakers is such a worthwhile investment if you have the space for them.

>>8541060
My grandparents had this exact TV. I remember my grandma watching her stories with the audio BLARING because she was hard of hearing. To this day, The Young and The Restless theme being blasted through a crackling mono speaker takes me right back to my childhood. Good find, anon.

>>8541131
>I see them pop up pretty often on reselling apps and stuff
I probably only see about 25% of them for free. Most people are still asking between 75 and 200 dollars even for shitty old garbage sets. Although given that a lot of them keep going unsold, it probably wouldn't be hard to talk a more reasonable seller down. Problem is people are hella unreasonable lately.

>>8541764
Highly recommend getting a better audio than integrated speakers, and you don't even need to spend a fortune to get decent audio.
Before I got those big ass speakers, I used a pair of pic related and they cost me like 40€ or so

>>8543207
Even "big ass" speakers are cheap as fuck nowadays; nobody wants to waste the room on them, and stripping wires is too scary for the average retard consumer. The only issue is when you're browsing craigslist or whatever, you gotta watch out for the boomers; they have no concept of depreciation and think everything they bought 20 years ago should be worth 99% of the original price just because it "still works".

>>8541764
Also, if you have space for it, consider a subwoofer. There's nothing better than playing FF7 and casting Beta and the whole room vibrates.

>>8544006
I have patience, I browse untill I see something I like for free or dirt cheap.
It's amazing sometimes what people give away for free.
Just gotta be quick.

>>8544094
>It's amazing sometimes what people give away for free.
>Just gotta be quick.
When the listing for my Sony XBR went up, the alert hit my phone while I was driving and I didn't notice until I got home almost two hours later. I was surprised when I was the first person to call. Sucker even put "Trinitron" in the listing and somehow nobody bit.

>>8538517
Grabbed this 1600x1200 CRT monitor last year for £45, was very lucky. I also have a 17" Consumer CRT/VCR/DVD combo for consoles that I got for £10.

>>8544346
Neato! Very cozy setup, anon. I had a 20 inch Dell monitor I got for free that I used to use as a second display to watch old TV and anime on. Sadly, it died some time back.

>>8542561
>console television doesn't get the respect it deserves around here
True. These things are peak soul.
>>8542990
>Good find, anon
Thanks! Drove an hour to pick it up but after seeing it in person it was worth it. The old couple I bought it from never had any kids so it was never abused.

>>8544393
>These things are peak soul.
It's weird how rare they are on the aftermarket these days. They are old though, and I guess a LOT of them got junked. When I was a kid, me and pretty much ALL of my friends and family had console sets. Stand-alone sets were always just spares, or junk you'd find in a hotel room.

Sometime in the 80s, the television really transitioned away from being a piece of furniture to being just electronic equipment. Before that it was far more common for home electronics to be disguised as furniture, with console stereos and record players and what-have-you; I feel like displaying bare "equipment" in a room where you might entertain guests was culturally frowned upon. It wasn't until the 80s when the average American truly started to embrace technology.

>>8541776
>or do I have to mod my consoles as well?
Depends on the console

>>8541046
That's gotta be fun whenever something is accidentally turned up way too loud.

>>8544521
>implying it would be an accident

>>8544330
How long ago was that?
Also where are you from?
Around here(Germany) I still see trinitron tvs every now and then for free on the local marketplace.
eBay is however full of scalpers.

>>8544803
>How long ago was that?
about three months ago
>Also where are you from?
Murrica. Massachusetts, to be exact. Yeah, eBay is useless for CRTs because of scalpers and assholes. Plus, who wants to ship a CRT anyway? But around these parts, "Trinitron" is one of the meme words that calls retro vidya fags like a moth to a flame. That particular set is in high demand because it's one of the only consumer TVs in the states that came with an RGB input, and it's 25 inches which is bigger than most PVMs. The only bigger professional RGB monitor I'm aware of is a 30 inch made by Mitsubishi, I think.

I was just surprised it wasn't already snapped up after two hours. About 10 years ago when I snagged a PVM off of craigslist, I was using an independent app to alert me to new listings, and I managed to call mere minutes after it went up. The guy told me that, after we hung up, he got FLOODED with calls until he finally took the listing down. He probably regretted listing it for free.

>>8538549
i'm red-green colorblind, calibrating anything is a waste of money

guys, what is this input? the back of this tv doesn't have a scart input nor a composite, and this doesn't look the s-video in I know of.

>>8545374
Why don’t you actually show us the tv and model number, retard?

>>8545374
>>8545461

>>8545374
That's V-video.

>>8544505
SNES/Genesis/N64/PS2 and Xbox are what I want to use the TV for. Strange as it sounds it was one of my family friends/psuedo-relatives favorite possessions, and it's a nice TV, nothing fancy but usable and in good shape.

>>8545551
I've never seen this standard before, can it even be used to plug in a console? I'm looking to hook up a n64

>>8544908
Then you really got lucky, three years ago when I got my unit nobody around here was looking for trinitrons and pvms
When the guy I got mine from akes what I was gonna do with it and said "play videogames" he just looked at me weird.
Nowadays I see phrases like "great for playing old nostalgic videogames" pretty often.

That being said, I'm still on the lookout for another CRT but I want an interesting looking small unit even if it only has composite or rf.

>customer drops of a CRT for recycle and didn't pay the disposal fee
>could ask to bring it home since it would be a loss for them
>is component and s video panasonic
>only issue is its a 32" crt
Fucking monkey's paw

>>8541776
thats fucking rad, what a comfy way to play the best pokemon games. Apologies about your family friend.

>>8545565
N64 would have to be modded for RGB.

Was walking out in town today and found some tiny little 10'' consumer CRT at a thrift shop, which was a surprise since I thought they stopped accepting them.

Sadly it had no remote and was RF/Composite only, but for only 5$ I thought about getting it anyway because I thought it might have made a good guinea pig to try doing an RGB mod to, but then I realized I'd have to walk home carrying it so fuck that. Maybe if it's still there next time I swing back in that area with my car I'll get it but I bet they'll just throw it out. It's only some literally who brand consumer set anyway.

>>8538517
does anyone ITT actually try to understand the technology? or do y'all just collect lost technology?

How do CRT fans feel about the inevitable death o their chosen hardware?

In 30 years or so of time, most CRTs will dim to become unusable and cannot be brightened further.

What do you plan to do?

>>8541776
Any console that can output RGB as is need not be modded for that. Analog TV signals are simple enough that modding it is definitely worth it even if you're unfamiliar about electronics. I'd say modding the TV or a console that doesn't have RGB output is about as complicated, pretty much every device produces RGB before converting it to other signals, and the TV just converts other signals back to RGB, so skipping that entire part is rather simple in theory.

>>8549490
in 30 years ill probably be dead.

>>8549490
I gladly accept the impermanence of all things. I own these things to enjoy them, not to preserve them for all time.

>>8541764
Line-in to PC, monitoring Line-in port and listening to it through my headphones at the same time as anything that comes out of my PC

>>8549490
if i havent gotten tired of games by the time my crt dies i have other problems to worry about really.
my "plan" is to just play anything i could possibly give a shit about while i can and hopefully i loose interest before my tv dies because id rather voluntarily give up my hobby than have it taken away from me by entropy. and finishing it all before then is unrealistic as there are more games i want to play than i could possibly have the time for.

>>8548891
A 32” Panasonic with component? Take that shit home, that’s a great tv

>>8549478
Yes

>>8549782
Honestly it is bestbuy and they would say, "no policy is you can't take recycle items home" and I have no room for it.

>>8549478
somewhat

>>8549803
Considering a policy like that would be in place to keep best buy from just ripping off the disposal fee, I can't imagine your boss would complain too hard if you offer to take it out of your own pocket since it's only gonna cot the company otherwise.

>>8549786
>>8549978
circuits? aspects of electron gun, deflection coil, and tube design?

>>8550114
That's what I'm going to lean on with. Assuming they don't fucking scratch the screen by the time I get back tomorrow. I'm mostly interested in asking just to see the response. The other issue would be how to transport it without it breaking a window in my car.

https://aliexpress.com/item/1005003727673072.html

Is this transcorder any good?

>>8550885
everything trans is shit,just get a corder.

>>8545584
just find an adapter with a din 5 connector

>>8551145
This. Pic related is the pin assignment.

>>8551428
So basically, composite with mono-audio?

>>8551492
Indeed. Were you expecting RGB or something?

>>8549490
>What do you plan to do?

I purchased a new open-box 20FV300 from some guy on FB for $100, who purchased it 20 years ago for a billiard room he never built. It sat in storage for 15 years. Still has the protective shipping tape on the corners.

It's my backup.

>>8549490
>What do you plan to do?

I purchased a new open-box 20FV300 from some guy on FB for $100, who purchased it 20 years ago for a billiard room he never built. It sat in storage. Still has the protective shipping tape on the corners.

It's my backup.

>>8551501
Not him, just heard of the input until you posted the schematic. Learned something new.

>>8541776
if you have to ask this, RGB modding is likely beyond you

>>8549782
This is the tv

>>8551901

My graphics card doesn’t have VGA output; would a displayport-VGA converter introduce any sort of lag or anything or is that the way to go?

>>8551901
>>8552140
Looks like the geometry is fuck at the bottom.

>>8552249
Please help if this is fixable. It seems like both sides near the bottom have a bit of an hourglass curve to it. The top half seems fine, but on the bottom I can barely read how loud the volume is when I change it.

>>8552776
Factory magnets probably fell off, lying at bottom of chassis.

>>8552954
Is it easily fixable?

>>8553075
if that anon is right you could put the magnets back on pretty easy, but it could just be failing capacitors. It could also be fixed with geometry pots inside the tv if it's sophisticated enough, most likely under the "pincushion" settings

>inb4 misterfag
it boots in 4 seconds & has about 15 of my favorite systems with near complete retail libraries on deck

my bose speakers aren't super loud but for under $100 the clarity is unrivaled

i regret passing the opportunity to pickup a console tv like OPs post
they wanted $300 and i just dont have the room

>>8553589
What’s the flag stand for? Never seen that design before

The guy is asking literally $5 for this one. How good are Flatrons? There was a bunch of smaller ones in my uni back in the days (T710, I believe), and there was noticeable flickering.

>>8554361
Known for being cheap shit with convergence problems, though tech is pretty cool. Flat slotmasks.

>Don't have a car, just a bike because I'm a broke college student
>All CRTs on Craigslist are 10+ miles away
>Getting an uber to the location is usually over $30 each way
This sucks
Seeing shit like pic related is hilarious though

>>8554389
>Seeing shit like pic related is hilarious though
also mind blowing really,are people that delusional.

>>8554389
I'd love to have a tv like that just as a novelty, not for fucking near 200$ though lmao.

We need to bring back wood grain aesthetic.

>>8553646
>>8553646
>black flag
reminder that there will be no prisoners, only death; "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."

>betsy ross
liberty above all else
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”


to remain on topic for our dearly beloved jannies; apple crt, recapped, color-kill switch so i can play in black in white with excellent clarity. AV only so i have to use a vga>av converter (adds 1-3 frames of latency but mostly not noticeable)


cheers

Composite on the Megadrive is looking great imo

>captcha AASTV

>>8554389
>>8554548
I mean, yeah, it does looks pretty nifty

>>8542561
yeah too many people posting PC monitors in this thread

>>8556549
Apple II monitor, composite.

>>8549478
i don't care how it works

>>8554851
gay

>>8549478
I am confident I do understand it, on a theoretical level. I have repaired four CRT's and done everything from deflection to power supply and sync issues.

But things like the exact tools (like stencils for painting multiple phosphor colors) and such are lost.

IIgs? Nice, I'm a little jealous (I am >>8556549
)

Just picked this tiny devil off the curb. Seems like a perfect desk tv.

>>8557280
>Silver plastic
Ugly as shit

>>8557280
stereo in and bulk slash. sweet.

>>8557280
Jelly, I've been looking for one of these little ones for a while.

I can't find the thread where this was discussed. What are the methods for sending a video signal to an SD TV from a modern computer which does HDMI/DP out?

>get small crt for $10
>the picture is nice and it plays my videogames
>earsplitting mk ultra screech coming from it nonstop whenever powered on
will i have to spend $500 on an upscaler and go back to using an lcd? this is actually painful, it makes it unplayable

>>8558116
No one had issues with it when CRTs were the only option. You're just a weak zoomer faggot.

>>8558116
Stop focusing on the noise, and you’ll get used to it eventually.

Or just pump as much loud music as possible directly into your earholes to damage your hearing enough to not hear the 15khz noise.

>>8558148
i have used plenty of crts that are not this loud

>>8554389
To be fair, if it’s in color, in that good condition it’s worth a decent bit. Not 200 though. The only way I’d pay 200 would be if it was mid 70s, color, 13-20 inch, good condition, have the two knobs on the right side, and preferably a Sony

I got my first crt, a 14" sony trinitron, gonna play some time crisis later, next payday I'm gonna get some RGB cables from that one site, i bought a cheap rgb cable for ps2 from amazon and it forces 16:9 and has this weird RGB line going horizontally at the top

>>8558116
Either there is a capacitor that needs replacing or the cables you are using are of extremely poor quality

>>8558509
Why would either of those affect flyback whine? Stop selling snakeoil, TVs are just dogshit.

>>8558116
Get a monitor. They don't whine.

>>8558487
Sounds like it’s on 16:9
RGB will do that if the power feed is wrong on one of the pins
Does your tv have an aspect ratio button?

>>8558512
15khz is not earsplitting so there is another issue in the TV
Stop being an arsehole

>>8558517
Small old TVs in my experience tend to be damn unbearable to around of. Bigger and more modern ones are better but I'd still rather not have one anywhere near me anymore.

>>8558520
It is no different than the ringing you already have in your ears
besides, monitors don’t do 240p natively

>>8558531
I don't have any kind of tinnutus under 18khz and I'd rather keep it that way

Which Sony TV would be better? KV-21FX30K or KV-29LS60K? I care about picture quality first and foremost.

>>8558626
you need to decide if you want a 21" or a 29"

>>8558650
Doesn't matter to me, I would get whichever is higher quality.

>>8558626
It depends on the condition of the CRT and the electronics but, in ideal conditions, the 21FX30K will probably look better. The only real way to know is to compare them side-by-side.

>facebook com/marketplace/item/274523241121480/
>Facebook com/marketplace/item/395493275378797/

What's the better model between these two Toshiba CRTs? The first one is my childhood TV so I'm partial to that. But the Cinema Series is 10 inches bigger and looks newer.

>>8557397
It was the fad color of early 2000s electronics.

>>8558651
There's almost no standard for determining the quality of 20+ year old consumer electronics via the model number. The better quality one is the one that got used less and looks better, which only you can ascertain.

>>8557280
nice

About to get really stupid with this 36 inch CRT going up 2 flights of stairs. Got oxy in my blood and a prayer in my heart. Wish me luck

>>8560940
Jesus anon, I'm getting anxiety just looking at it. Godspeed.

>>8560940
It's worth the hernia bro, congrats. Looks like a face-hugger is gonna spring out of that thing though, like a giant Fisher-Price plushie xenomorph egg.

>>8560940
Is it a flat screen?
Should be fine if it’s not, I’ve carried one up and down no problem

>>8560950
>>8560960
>>8560997
The beast is home, gotta say the 3 wheel dolly made it not too bad outside the turn at the top of the steps. Holy shit that made the last 2 steps insane. Somewhere along the way I crushed the power cord so I had to do a quick and dirty splice. Outside of that it made it intact.


Last CRT I had was a curved 32 inch, this one being a flat 36 feels so much bigger then just 4 inches more. It's got good geometry outside of the droopy bow at the top but between reseating the neck and the adjustment rings I bet i'll be able to get it so it's not noticeable in game.

>smegma ray tubes
Cringe.

>>8561347
Fuckin' ay, anon. That's a sweet setup.

should I sell my 14" pvm now or will I regret it someday when they're as much as a car?

>>8561347
Thats a very nice looking setup anon, jelly.

>>8561370
>>8561828
Thanks anons, on the other side of the room i'm putting in a maple butcher block desk and using one of the first PC cases I ever had to build a PC for the room. Picking up the maple butcher block on Monday then I gotta stain it. It's all coming together

>>8541060
parents had one like this from 1986 until 2015 then they tossed it

>get up
>make a cup of tea
>turn on CRT for morning gaming
>playing
>screen starts to get kind of blurry and dark
>colors start to ghost over each other
>screen goes back to normal
>wait
>screen continues to be normal
>CRT seems to be operating as normal now

Well, that made me very anxious. I think I started the monitor when it was too cold. My room gets down to the mid 60s and my monitor is near the window. I won't be letting that happen again.

>>8561373
They are already worth as much as a car.

>>8561373
All the PVMs I got for free before the rush I sold. Even when they were free I thought they were too sharp for retro gaming. Might as well play on a led tv. Plus they are so small, I don't get why people spend insane money on them

>>8560960
kek

>>8562472
typical cubs fan

>>8561347
where'd you get that tv cabinet (the gray one)? I need it

>>8564462
I got it for free with one of the free to a good home big CRT's I lugged out of some ladies basement. Had the original book with it too, came from best buy if I recall correctly.

>>8561347
i should never have let mine go

i hate california so much
im never selling a single crt i have

>>8565353
i bought this exact same tv for ten bucks over the weekend

Upside of living in Mootxico: almost all CRTs on FB Marketplace go for pretty cheap - no LE RETRO GAME DISPLAY I KNOW WHAT I HAVE shit here.

Downside of living in Mootxico (apart from, well, the usual): literally no one actually gives them away.

>>8565357
i have one yes,
but im scared to put mileage on the vhs part
i have a separate vcr instead

i got mine at a thrift store for like 20$
i hate craigslist people so much
they snatch up shit at local stores to "flip" it

>>8565386
i don't watch any vhs, i just got it because i wanted a small TV to put on my desk
i do remember those mechanisms dying constantly when i was a kid though

>>8565353
TVs like this are still sold at goodwill for $6 as long as you don't live in a shithole big city

>>8565491
>shithole big city
>california

ya im fucked
ive been insanely lucky so far
but if all my crts die or break
im basically fucked

i can never pay what they are asking
i mean, i CAN, but i literally never will.

>>8565491
Nope, they either put them on their kike auction site, or if they're unaware of how "rare vintage and valuable" they are they just take them to the dump
>t. went to every single Badwill in a fifty mile radius and found nothing but clothes and literal garbage

I thought this was a cool write up
https://www.comsol.com/blogs/modeling-a-pierce-electron-gun-in-comsol-multiphysics/

Fell for the CRT meme, bought an old TV. Got it home and realised it's 50hz. Thought, ok that's fine because they refresh really fast right. When you see them scrolling in a video it's just because the fps of screen and camera are mismatched. I think...

Anyway, I can visibly see the refresh/blinking and the picture seems like it moves up and down a little bit. Didn't see any adjustment in the menus except colour and contrast etc. Is this normal? Am I spoiled by LCD? Did I just get a shit TV? Is it 50hz vs 60hz?

>>8566151
I fight with euros all the time who say every crt since 2000 will play 60hz without issue. I grew up on a air force base in Germany and that's simply not true.

>>8566156
It's definitely not true because I remember Phantasy Star Online on Dreamcast had a 50hz and 60hz option at the start. Some TVs simply couldn't run in 60hz. Also, 50hz players couldn't play online with 60hz players. They had different servers.

>>8566167
I point that out but shitty euro zoomers will continue to insist they had nothing but rgb scart 60hz CRTs

>>8566151
Anyway, does anyone know if the slight flickering is normal? Am I just spoiled by modern panels? Also I got a box to convert HDMI to SCART and wonder if that introduces any latency perhaps.

>>8566176
Euro here, My CRT can display 60hz and 50hz, idk what you're talking about nigger. It's pretty obvious you're just false flagging

>>8566219
does converting digital to analogue introduce any latency that could cause issues with my analogue tv

Really makes you think

>>8538517

If you want an "authentic" experience you should play games on contemporary hardware. 1986 games should be played on 1986 TVs. 1994 games should be played on 1994 TVs.

>>8566338
shut up paki

>>8566151
Easy way to check is to run something that plays at 60fps and use your phone camera to video record 60fps and see if it flickers or ha a slow moving line

>>8566334
Only fag here is you, the euro I was replying too has a CRT that doesn't do 60hz. it wasn't common till the very end of CRTs run and even then was not universal.

>>8566335
Is there no way to eliminate that without retro hardware? At some point it was always digital anon...

>>8566351
Most CRTs in the 90’s could do 60hz whether they could do an NTSC signal is another matter but if you use RGB that’s a non issue

>>8566378
Ok, I want you to think. How would an average euro kid in the 90s feed thier console pal 60? I can't believe I'm getting into this shit show again. Pal 60 wasn't a thing in the 90s was barely a thing in the middle of the 00s. Fact remains pal fucking blows for games

>>8566378
>Most CRTs in the 90’s could do 60hz
No they couldn't. Most PAL CRTs in the 90s were 50hz. Only in the very late 90s and early 2000s did 60hz become dominant. It was common for households to have both (Old/newer sets) until 50hz disappeared completely. This mattered because consoles released around 2000 required 60hz for some games. So as a kid trying to borrow the spare TV (Usually a shitter/older one) it was kind of annoying.

>>8566498
Do you actually have proof that 50Hz CRTs will not sync to 60Hz. I have never come across a CRT which would not sync to 60Hz, and there is really no reason why they would not do so, the analog circuitry in a CRT derives its timing from the video signal.

>>8544346
Possibly the comfiest setup I've seen. Also; Nice taste with that Francisco Goya piece