/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://www.nexusmods.com/quake/mods/7
https://www.moddb.com/mods/violent-rumble

AD MORTEM
Beta thread
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125461
Current release
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18le6ho89YT_myg8CiUUk2mw1439zPyyJ/view

=== NEWS ===
[01-14] RC1 of PRCP2 has been released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/119628

[01-13] OCCULA.WAD, new slaughter mapset by bemused and tourniquet
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126833

[01-12] FutureShock32 back in development
>>8512626

[01-10] Func_msgboard announces a new jam. Theme: AI. Deadline, February 10th
https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=62137

[01-04] Doom It Yourself - looking for mappers (MBF21, color limits)
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126692

[01-03] Shades of Azure - 12 short, blue maps
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126633

[01-02] Half-Life ray traced in development by the author of Serious Sam ray traced
https://youtu.be/SsteDE8h6jc

[01-02] Doom 2 from memory release
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126634

[01-01] e2m1 remake
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126594-e2m1-deimos-anomaly-remake/

[01-01] Mechadon blog post about Supplice
https://mekworx.the-powerhouse.net/2021/12/31/this-is-a-post-about-supplice/

[01-01] The Victors is out in russian and english on moddb after 12 years in development hell
https://www.moddb.com/mods/the-victors

[01-01] Leaked achievements for possible Goldeneye rerelease/remaster
https://www.trueachievements.com/game/GoldenEye-007/achievements

[12-27] 13 minutes of Quake-related updatess for 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARsN0xldnys

[12-27] Exorcist for Hexen
https://www.moddb.com/mods/exorcist/downloads/exorcist-full-version

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

Looking forward to full release (early access doesn't count):
Core Decay
Cultic
Dread Templar
Exophobia
Forgive Me Father
Gloom Wood
Graven
Hellscreen
Hyper Violent
Nightmare Reaper
Powerslave Exhumed
Prodeus
Selaco (the one im the most hyped about)
Supplice
Vomitoreum
Wrath

>>8521604
Viscerafest?

CAPTCHA: KY4AS
Even the fucking machine is calling me a weeb for bringing the game up.

>>8521604
Vomitoreum is never going anywhere. Scumhead can't into good gameplay.

Speaking of Scumhead, I should get back to work on that Shrine II balance patch.

Is there any gameplay wad that adds weapons?
Not replace them
Something that just adds more weapons to the standard doom arsenal.

>>8521653
Legendoom and DRLA. It keeps the original Doom guns and then adds a fuckload more.

>>8521653
AEoD

I may have gone overboard again. The Option is really fucking strong.
Thankfully if I just scale back how much energy you get when you shoot guys it should be a little more under control, but right now if you can get an Option, a stack of missiles, and laser... It's just like Gradius when you're fully decked out, holy shit.

>>8520279
>there's a funny trend with shareware games where all the effort goes into the first episode to get you to buy the game, and afterwards the quality drops off because they don't give a shit
It's kind of funny because the shareware episode of course needs to basically have a "distilled awesomeness" vibe to it because it's the best commercial the game can have but I spent half a decade wondering what all kind of exciting things Shores of Hell and Inferno would have and boy were they a let down. Still good tho'.

Duke Nukem 3D was a bit of an exception since while Hollywood Holocaust and Red Light District were really strong levels, the rest of the episode kind of peters out and Shrapnel City / The Birth are more consistent imo.

Hell, even with Blood it felt like the first episode was really good, yes, but the others weren't imo that much worse.

Uhhhhh I'm looking forward to the SiN Remake ooohhh, nice!
But seriously tho', what kind of a release window are we looking at here ?

>>8521821
This looks dope dude!

>>8521884
It looks really good but now I need to make sure that it's reasonably balanced. At least a little.
One thing I'm hung up on is whether or not the Option should use extra missile and laser charges when it fires off. If you don't have those the Option is free to use cus it shoots the same weak bullets you fire if you have no ammo.

>Entering:
>Precarious

>be me
>never played Quake
>played the shit out of the Doom games on the Xbox 360 marketplace or whatever
>the seed of interest in id was firmly planted. fast forward over a decade
>bought Quake a year back when it was for sale for literal cents USD
>was generally sick to death of shooters at the time
>looked at the "effort" required to use a source port
>tried using the included steam ports (at the time) instead
>just say fuck that and move on without even playing
Well here comes this remake out of nowhere. I had ZERO idea that there was a remake in the works, and it's a damn good one at that. I don't even remember how I learned that I had received a remake for free. I can tell you why I don't know.
>play ten hours of the Quake remake in 2 days
>install trenchbroom
>spend 10 hours over the next 2 days in the editor
>so focused that I look down at my clock to see it's 6 AM two days in a row, without noticing the time had passed
I've had no sleep and a lot of fun. Guess I'm a mapper now.

>>8521821
gib

Looking forward to Ion Fury : Aftershock a lot!

>>8521929
You can just wait. I still need to finish this gun, the Metafighter, the Fire Flower, the Space Hunter rifle, and the Power Adaptor
Then there's a few small things I'm adding as a surprise, though it's nothing major, just something that I want to do cus I think it'd be cool.
Then I'm going to give myself a vacation THEN get back to GMOTA.

In the mean time, have a long comic my friend drew that brought a fuckin tear to my eye. I have to post it as an Imgur link because it's too goddamn long to post normally.

https://imgur.com/jYkU5jy

>>8521943
I fucking love Arti

ALRIGHT BOYS. IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN: SCREENSHOT SATURDAY. WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON? MAPS, MODS, SPRITES? NOW'S A GOOD TIME TO POST IT. OR LATER BECAUSE I'M POSTING THIS REALLY EARLY IN THE MORNING.

>>8521968
He sure as hell means a lot to me.

>>8521594
Why is this here and not on /vg/ tho?
Since all other containment threads and generals for games moved to /vg/ from /vr/? Not this?
I only now thought about it, sorry.

>>8521969
A little personal project I'm working on. Don't wanna write too much about it for fear of sounding really autistic, but I might post the Proof of Concept later.
It's meant to be a more tense, atmospheric type of experience. Currently very proud of it

>>8521969
Just a little update to >>8521821 here, I also added a unique animation if you deploy an Option while the Vic Viper is in the Lord British form. The Option will change color too. I also made the Option use up extra laser and missile charges for now to see if that feels more balanced while still being fun.

>>8521980
that's a good question!
we tried to be on /vg/ once or twice, the problem is we don't move fast enough there
we get drowned out by all the other generals and their endless waifuposting, and sink to the bottom of the catalog and get deleted
we're able to post the way we do because we're still on /vr/, we can't survive over there

>>8521989
the animations on that gun
so good

>>8522005
I think this might be the nicest NES themed gun I've made to date.

>>8522010
thank u euk eukm
bkess u

>>8521989
>missile is slightly in front of ripple lasers instead of surrounded by them
Otherwise, lovely.

Quake mappers, what are your favorite texture sets? Any forgotten gems?
captcha: PAYAD

I like Ion Fury

>>8521973
Can I ask why? I don't think I've ever seen you elaborate on that statement

>>8522050
I like it a lot too!

>>8522096

>>8522097
That's great

>>8521969
I've finished MAP13 for Hell Frontier this week.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/115739-hell-frontier-wip-megawad-for-doom-2-episode-2-progress-411-last-map-map13-130122/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-2439946

For anyone interested, I've just put up a J.A.C.K. FGD on the Violent Rumble Mega folder. It gives an error about a wrong character, but the line it gives doesn't make any sense and I haven't actually had a problem so whatever. Trenchbroom FGD is also updated with rail_through on relevant things and some missing default health values.

>>8516802
Based, thanks. Shame about the cvar autism.

>>8522120
That was a cool map. Really hectic.

Anyone trying out PRCP2? How is it going for you?
Got to 3rd map now, so far not a fan. MAP01 is nothing special, just a stroll through some caves without any interesting traps. The author of MAP02 seems to be too fascinated with Doom Builder's curve tool. Combat is more fun than first level though. Also, what the fuck is that par time of 0:06?
So yeah, something like that. Tbf I never was a big fan of Plutonia and inspired mapsets, but I liked the introduction of PL2 or first PRCP more than this.
Oh, and where's new music? It's literally Plutonia midi pack, for the first 3 levels at least.

>>8521372
If you plan on Updating the Quake guide, i suggest asking the Q2 Anons here at /vr/ mainly Quakewulf about helping you with the Q2 guide.
When i updated the OP pastebin 2 years ago, i made it so when it was necessary to update the guides, all links will be there for all 3 games.

as for maps
DOOM
>Aliens: The Ultimate Doom/Aliens: Erradication, a worthy remake of the original 1996 wad.
>Doom: One
>D2WID
>DBP28: Fear and Loathing
>REKKR

Q1
>Nyarlathotep
>Jerk Gustaffson old Q1 maps
>Starship 1 and 2 by Neil Manke which no one knows if he is still alive or not even at HL community
>Violent Rumble
>Copper
>Drake
>Alkaline

Q2 (if it happens)
>Sonic Mayhem
>The Citadel
>Earth
>Citizen Abel
>Milous Series
>Window of Retaliation
>BATF: Back at the Front
>Loki's Missions
>Oblivion

>>8522298
Any suggestions?

>>8521875
They would need to release that remaster before even announcing a remake. Not sure why would they do that as it would be a weird decision, even though modern day remakers are basically reboots.
>>8521910
>Quake remake
It's a re-release.
>>8522294
At least someone else remember REKKR. Both versions are worth mentioning.

>>8522057
Writing his backstory took my mind off of my crippling jenkem addiction.

>>8522130
so that playthrough, I've watched the whole thing. he triggered the exit on Rusty Bucket through the wall just like the previous streamer. that could do with some fixing. I can do it if the RBB anon isn't around.
on your maps there was a monster_spawner crash and some infinite health vial (both on secret) and the previous guy had some massive slowdown on wager around the time the gaunts appear. mentioning just in case.
also there's an inconsistency between regular and quick grapple, with quick grapple automatically releasing on touching a wall. might be the reason for quickly losing all charges on steep inclines? not sure if intentional, probably does more harm overall.
I also don't think volleys causing the crazyass strafing on enforcers was intentional, as fun as it is. volley grunts could probably use a delay between shots, but that one's up to you. and I think "grapple denied" used to be quieter in early versions?

>>8522239
I played the earlier beta compilation, and it feels like a mixed bag for the most time. Some maps are fantastic (18, 20, 29, 31, 32) some are hot garbage (24, 25, 30), most are okay, but nothing special. The weirdest of the bunch are Plutonia 3 rejects - nearly all of them are long as fuck and plays nothing like Plutonia at all.
Also, I can guarantee that nearly everyone will hate map 22. It cannot be described by words alone, it's just has to be seen to be believed

>>8522413

Turns out the music choice of PRCP2 stops following the order of Plutonia MIDI Pack exactly after MAP03. Weird choice, coincidence I guess?

>>8522460
What's up with map 22? Is it unfair? Looks bad? I'm eager to idclev to that one now.

Why are all of Marathon's weapon so bad? I'm at G4 Sunbathing and having to use shitty pistol vs shitty gimmick pistol is really taking a bit of fun out of it.
I enjoyed the assault rifle but I hate how it's the only weapon I could ever use and now I don't even have that.

>>8521867
You just effortposted a (You) to a retarded internet take.

>>8521940
Same here. Release it already.

>>8522010
This twitter-sourced trash was never funny.

>>8522298
This buttfucker is the worst thing about these threads.

>>8522376
Noone has forgotten REKKR. Didn't it spawn a retarded John Romero fake quote meme some months back?

>>8522573
I seem to recall something about Romero being a little butthurt piss baby about REKKR yes

>>8522584
>I seem to remember
Then I'm sure you can link a source?

>>8522591
I can't bother, but I know it was something he said on a podcast and had to do with REKKR stealing Sigil's thunder

>2022
>still not prototype leaked
Also what's up with all those cancelled Duke games?

>>8522597
Yeah, I'm just gonna assume you're full of it.

>>8522604
chief I'm just repeating a rumor I heard from a third party, I ain't got no goat in this retard race

>>8522516
Same anon here, so I jumped straight to MAP22 but lowered difficulty to HMP just in case. Now this is what I expected from a Plutonia-inspired wad. Constant bombardment with traps, cruel enough for such late slot. Revenants plus Archie in a small room with two tiny pillars and a hurtfloor - you get it. One part assblasted me though:
>notice a yellow key door in an obscure location earlier, probably it's a secret
>find yellow key on a bloodfall, come back to this door
>end up sandwiched between barons in front & behind, two archviles on left and right
Died a few times here. Nice secret, awesome reward. The secret BFG would've helped, but I didn't figure out the black magic hiding it.

>>8522606
>so what if I'm full of shit? I'm only smearing a guy with no proof because I don't give a heck
Then why say anything in the first place?

>>8522624
Because >>8522573 asked, brain champion

Been playing Doom for a while but never like this. Just finished first three episodes of Doom on UV with pistol starts and no saves. Made it a completely different game for me. Going to go for Thy Flesh Consumed Now, not sure if I should keep going on UV or go for HMP. From there I'm following the WAD Progression for Skill Improvement guide. Wish me luck /vr/os, thanks for reading my blog post.

>>8522591
"romero interview rekkr" in the archives has timestamped sources

>>8522584
>>8522591
>>8522597
https://podtail.com/en/podcast/dev-game-club/dgc-ep-186-doom-bonus-interview-with-john-romero/
Timestamp is 91:55.

https://www.shacknews.com/article/110199/icon-of-sin-doom-and-the-making-of-john-romeros-sigil?page=5
>“When REKKR came out, I was reading reviews on Doom World, and they were like, ‘Wow, so, here's something new.’ And I was like, ‘Goddammit! I came up with that idea, but they came out with it first!’” he recalled, laughing. (An overview of REKKR posted on Doom World in September 2016 indicates the mod’s designers came up with the idea well before the game’s full release in July 2018.)

>>8522707
sounds a lot less like whining and more like a compliment to me

>>8522707
>they
>only one guy working on it (Revae)
more like john retardo lol lmao

>>8521719
>>8521679
Nice.
Will test them out.

>>8522686
>romero interview rekkr
looked it up,he seemed a bit salty,but was mostly playful when talking about it,like "darn it,they beat me to the punch"
not him being actually mad.

>>8522606
>>8522597
see, folks, this is why you don't pay attention to people that can't source their quotes.

your "third party" is literally me; posting here, paraphasing, after i listened to the damn podcast because no one would source their quotes when all this shit popped up the first time!

>>8522832
you're actually making the case for not bothering with sources when the guy on the other end just wants you to jump through some hoops.

>>8522856
This is why most people don't bother with sources, because when someone demands source, they usually don't actually care and are basically going "dance monkey before I reject anything you say anyways"

>>8522621
They might tone it down a bit in RC1 or difference between HMP and UV is really that huge. But my UV run of that map was an miserable experience. An archvile ambush for every ten steps, extreme ammo starvation, obscure progression and all of this in cramped, dark hallways. It's like someone consciously tried to make the least fun level they possibly could. Though, the first PRCP also had map like that (in 19 slot, if I'm not mistaken) so maybe it was a homage? Who knows.

>>8521284
Fucking miss that dude. I hope he comes back one day, for the planned HFFM sequel.

Speaking of which, I put together a .zip of the music from the .wad, in case anyone wants to just give it a listen casually.
https://files.catbox.moe/372zqw.zip (Hard Fast Faggot Music.zip)

>>8522573
Nobody mentioned it as a suggestion for updated guide in previous thread though. That's what made me sad (not really though).
>>8522603
>>still not prototype leaked
Well, 3DR can't leak it as the source would be too obvious. Especially when Gearbox (I believe) have a copy of their build as well? Not sure.
>Also what's up with all those cancelled Duke games?
They're dead?
>>8522757
Anons like to meme, like >>8522717.

>>8521595
Oh fuck, oh shit... Just before I went to bed. Sharing the news:
>At long last! Blood has a map editor for Windows. Download E[X]tended Mapedit here:
https://twitter.com/BloodHispano/status/1482438772285489164
http://cruo.bloodgame.ru/xmapedit/_index.php

>>8522057
Well, while he IS my character, a lot of aspects of him are a result of some good ideas my friends gave me. So he's pretty much a physical manifestation of the friendships I've made doing all this Doom modding stuff over the past 7 or so years: His initial design was a product of Shivers, his name was thanks to Term, Ultra64 refined his armor and him putting two dot eyes on his helmet gave me the idea for the uncanny drifting eyes. Another friend gave me the idea of him running a bar in his spare time. There's a lot of other shit that I've given him sure, but some of his strongest aspects are thanks to my friends.

Originally he was never meant to be anything and Combined_Arms was just gonna be Doomguy using all those weird weapons, but Arti just kinda insisted himself into all of this. I wouldn't change that for anything, just like the people I've met, the shit I've learned, and the friendships I've made.
The real Arti is the friends I've made along the way

>>8521561
>I just want the author's explicit permission
1. What kind of utter faggot even cares about that?
2. The dude has, multiple times, told people that they don't even need to credit him if they rip off his mod or fork it so he clearly doesn't care.
3. In the literal mod doc it says
>Authors may use the contents of this file as a base for modification or reuse. In fact I encourage it, but if you do you really should link the downloads of the latest version of Babel in your mod somewhere.
I'm pretty sure his exact words on forking were "it would be cool if you credited me but whatever". He clearly doesn't care.
4. Holy shit what kind of utter faggot would post a mod exclusively on 4chan and gives any kind of a fuck about that?
5. He's also gone, he shows up like once every six months at most and hasn't used a trip since development was active.

>>8522027
You know, I think I can fix that actually, if I fire the missile a tic or two after the rings.

>>8522130
noticed a couple more issues in rumbler1.mdl (left 'glove' twists when firing and electric arc has back faces missing)
here's a cleaned-up version: https://mega.nz/file/4S5QECwQ#DFdTlugz2l96SRBwDVELMYhUDatwfvPa-EFgi3pxNUY

>>8522370
Uh, Zan-Zan maybe, an old old Doom TC. Don't know if it still exists somewhere or if it was ever finished.

>>8523029
heads up though, the manual bundled with the download leads to a 403 error, so an alternative would be this:
http://www.baitd.bloodgame.ru/files/bme_ilmhb/subpages/MAPEDIT_KEYS.htm

>>8522863
>>8522856
I don't trust anything I hear anyone say and only belive what my heart tells me.
And my heart tells me you are all faggots and that I shouldn't listen to any of you.

>>8522717
Well there were other mappers, and term did sounds, and hexenmapper did music.

How often do wads rip music from youtube, or use soundtracks from other games? Given how easy it is to add your own tracks to a wad, it seems like it would happen very frequently, but I haven't heard many tracks that I recognize.

>>8523320
Most of the wad makers aspire to put their wads on idgames, which would allow MIDI music without concern but won't allow mp3 or ogg music without proof that you have rights to it. So copying MIDIs from games that had MIDI soundtrack is common, particularly Rise of Triads and Duke Nukem but it fell to the wayside because there's so many composers in the community making custom MIDIs now.

>>8523320
MIDI and tracker songs get around a lot. Audio container formats (mp3/ogg/etc) are much less common because they severely bloat the filesize compared to MIDIs and tracker modules.

>When you want to go back and replace a midi on one of your early maps as you develop wad further (because it's pretty much just the same repetitive riff), but you are so used to old one nothing feels right.

>>8523336
>>8523332
Wait so if somebody wanted to use MP3's or something, they'd have to upload it to some jank ass site like Moddb? Huh.
Is there some benefit to using MP3's over MIDI? I would think better sound quality but I've heard some pretty crazy MIDI tracks over the years

>>8523376
With MIDI you are at the mercy of end user's soundfont. What if they use something that would make this specific track sound terrible and ruin their impression of you?

>>8523381
I feel like that would be a particular hell for people who want really atmospheric tracks that would genuinely be better off making their own game.
Why won't IDgames allow MP3's without explicit ownership? Some copywrite law?

How difficult would it be to replace the shotgun sprite in Dakka? I like everything about it except the way it looks.

Should be doable even for a modding retard, right?

>>8523401
>Why won't IDgames allow MP3's without explicit ownership? Some copywrite law?
Probably. They seem to be keen on maintaining some kind of copyright friendliness. They will also reject any wad that has lumps copied from iwad, probably because they want to be official associate of Id.

>>8523320
to add to what the other anon said, there's also the question of vanilla compat.
but yes, often atmosphere-focused mappers use mp3 soundtracks. Unloved (SH and more), Strange Aeons (Shock2, Chasm, FEAR), Extermination Day (D64, Q1)

>>8523409
>Probably because they want to be official associates of ID
How gay. I suppose that's partly why things like Catbox, Moddb or other similar sites exist.
>>8523425
Sounds about right. I don't think file bloat is a super big issue when AAA games these days are reaching 80+ Gigs

>>8523408
>Should be doable even for a modding retard, right?
You find a mod that has sprites you like and you're just swapping and renaming .pngs, yeah it's that easy.

>>8522418
>I can do it if the RBB anon isn't around.
Up to you. I'd probably start tweaking all sorts of things on that map if I opened it up myself.
>monster_spawner crash and some infinite health vial (both on secret)
Yeah, I think I know the causes of these.
>previous guy had some massive slowdown on wager around the time the gaunts appear
Don't really know why that happened, but I'm gonna redo most of the geometry in that map so hopefully that will help.
>also there's an inconsistency between regular and quick grapple
Yeah, I'll probably make regular auto-release as well. I'll also make it so a charge isn't consumed unless you actually hit something since both of those streamers seemed to have a problem with that. Not sure about the incline issue though.
>I also don't think volleys causing the crazyass strafing on enforcers was intentional
Nope, need to fix that.
>volley grunts could probably use a delay between shots
For shotguns, yeah probably.
>I think "grapple denied" used to be quieter in early versions?
I haven't touched the sound effect since I first made it, but it might overlap more or less depending on the engine. I'll try to limit how often it can play.
>>8523112
ah, thanks

Every time I thought to myself "I hate this level" playing the OG dooms I look it up and it turns out
Sandy Petersen made that level

>>8523060
that's fucking precious
you're a good dude

>>8523468
e2m2 and e2m4 are my favorite maps, and Slough of Despair is never as bad as I remember when I replay it.

>>8522294
I'm not planning on updating any infographics but the Doom one. I'm simply not knowledgeable on any of these games except Doom.
Anyway, looks like Babel can be added to the 4chan section with no real issue. Not sure about HND and Project Booster

Fanbase was divided between Shareware plebs, Registered/Ultimate chads, console kiddies and source port niggers.

Any ideas on how I could handle adding a smartgun function to a gun? Like I want it to have something like a 30° FOV window in the middle of the screen where it has hard autoaim, would that be possible?

Could I have it shoot out tracers the way the BFG does, just at a more limited angle?

>>8521875
>Nightdive
Oh, around 2025.

>>8521982
I think your black levels are crushed too much and lowering saturation in darkness would help make it look better.

>>8523498
oh he still has some great levels, deimos lab was great
I just thought it was funny that every time I actively disliked a level it turned out the same guy made them

>>8523542
Well, I don't get to choose the saturation of the average player, but I do agree and decided to drop it to 1.50 rather than 2.00.
I also turned up the brightness as well. I believe the intended look would be more along the lines of this.

It's the 90's pre source code release.
You have to choose only way to play Doom.
What's your choice?
>NEXTSTEP
>DOS
>Doom95
>Mac OS
>WinDoom
>OS/2
>BeOS
>PC-98
>DOS/V
>Linux
>QNX
>Solaris
>SGI
>32x
>Atari Jaguar
>SNES
>PSX
>3DO
>Saturn

>>8523603
N64
Doom 64 came out several months before the Doom source code was officially released

>>8523601
Much better, good job

>>8523517
You could take a look at how Aliens TC solved that issue.
There's also the SCREENSEEKER flag for projectile to generate a homing projectile. Iirc you can also adjust its seeking cone and homing aggressiveness; however when a projectile is too fast, it can't turn in time to become an actual seeking missile, so I think that might even be what you want, i.e. set the angle at spawn and fire from there in the direction of the enemy.
The Lawgiver MkII from the Judge Doom TC has the Hotshot projectile, which kinda works like that, though I haven't done any work on it for some time so I can't tell you any specifics. Grab it here and dig into the code if you want to know more: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=72460

>>8523603
Commodore 64

>>8523603
>>DOS
>>Doom95
One of these, running through Win95. That way I can play a bunch of other good shit without having to have a whole load of systems cluttering up the place.

Did anybody ever make a half life demake doom wad?

>>8523603
linux

>the Dakka weapons are all coded in C/C++

>>8523715
They're coded in ACS

>>8521594
Late as fuck noticing this and not at all /vr/ related, but what the fuck is up with those ads for free minifridges on YouTube? I've been seeing the thumbnails for them everywhere on mobile and I have no idea why those in particular are being promoted.

DraQu has an amazing voice.

>>8523801
yeah i realized soon after i made that post, slade just defaulted to C/C++ when i opened dakka in it

now i need to figure out how to implement +screenseeker and +seekermissile on the minigun

OH NI-

>>8523841
>Ass Rambo

>>8523850
Impressive how you can tell this is a furfag from the artstyle alone.

>>8523841
actually a good enemy type and should be included in some total conversion provided you can kill the chaingunner

>>8523863
I checked their art and no they're not
https://caramujotan.tumblr.com/post/167780108640/hot-fuzz-is-a-good-movie

>>8523889
https://caramujotan.tumblr.com/image/171445420790

>>8523841
GGURATH

>>8523468
he was too enlightened for his own good

>>8523923
That's just the original design but ok

has anybody played the columbine wads, any good?

>>8524096
they're nothing special at all; i played them once out of morbid curiosity and it wasn't much of anything

>>8524096
Most of the wads Eric Harris made were deathmatch maps, just average ones for four players.

>>8524096
They're completely forgettable.

>>8524119
Not him but IMO they're kinda like the Hitler paintings: ultimately they're nothing special in the context of a WAD, but there's something that somehow makes it feel "off" when you take the person who made it into consideration and what they'd eventually become/do.

And yes I know, it's hyper autsitic of me to compare a gameplay mod to the paintings of an infamous dictator

>>8524139
while normally comparing shit to hitler is trite, in this case the comparison is between the creative pursuits of two guys who killed a bunch of people
the scale is different, but the principle is the same

>>8524139
>hitler paintings
I'm reminded of the wierd Titanic adventure game that can end in Hitler becoming "a famous and overrated artist"

>>8524139
>they're kinda like the Hitler paintings
I know it's you, Lunchlunch.

>>8524096
https://youtu.be/qLkLA3XIqVw?t=3792

>>8524139
>dictator

>>/wsg/4311825

>>>/wsg/4311825

>>8524190
No, I think the Hitler paintings are very special

How do i pistol start 100% tnt map 07?

>>8524302
I loaded it up on UV and played thru it just now, I died a couple times early on so if your shotgun game isn't good then it might be worth it to go for the megaarmor and scream thru the teleporter to get to bridge switch, grab the soulsphere and the invuln, clean up the red key room and then grab the ssg in the last area so you have more firepower. I'm going to try that strat right now.

The secrets were all pretty easy to find except for the last one, you have to pay attention to and wallhump the pillar with lights on the bottom, which gets you the last few imps and a soulsphere. I had to look this up in the wiki, it's a pretty nice trick though I dunno how I feel bout its exact implementation.

>>8522603
No one has the balls to either release the builds or release Fred's stream

>>8524284
Interesting...

>>8521969
PAIN

>>8524451
dear fucking lord what an abomination
i look forward to playing it

>>8524457
You'll have to wait until the collab it's going to be a part of gets released.

>>8524472
Cool.
Hope it's at least semi-cohesive rather than being a grabbag of maps with completely disparate style and quality. Even if it isn't I'll still probably like it tho.

>>8524478
There's a theme, but it's a bunch of wildly different skill levels. It's just an excuse for a bunch of people to get together and make a map set.

>>8524479
Good enough for me, as long as it's more cohesive than CC2 I'm happy

So we all agree Duke Nukem 3D for the Saturn is the best version?
Good to know.

>>8524482 yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVyx6dUXAqU
>captcha: PP2TV

>>8521604
I like the look of that weird Cambodian-looking game that was teased last year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hSDzj2P1Tc

>>8521594
>>8521969
I have released my new map Blueberry Blaze Cake.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126866-blueberry-blaze-cake-boom-compatible-trip-to-a-small-blue-hellscape/

yay I guess

>>8522030
ikwhite / ikblue

>>8524686
Aww yeah, nice! I love blue

>>8522130
Triggers dont have arbitrary collision bro, the actual size will just be a cube from the minimum to maximum points

>>8524686
Very awesome so far, great jam too

>>8523863

>>8522460
I think map11 was pretty neat.

>>8524725
>ever letting the angry skeletons launch missiles
just bait the punch bro, did you not watch the meme video of how to fight doom monsters?

>>8524770
>meme video of how to fight doom monsters?
Speaking of that video, anyone got a link to it?

>>8524790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJcf0aOwmiA

>>8524796
Thanks
I always find this video funny but somehow lost the link to it.

>>8524686
It was kick ass, I'll likely replay it at some point and do better.

>>8524729
I jerk off to tuns of shite, you cant make me ashame.

>>8524869
I'm also a secret coomer. The guy who made that pic definitely draws gay porn of some sort.
Source: it came to me in a dream

Why is Civvie such a little piss baby?

>>8524451
Can't be worse than Doxylamine Moon.

>>8525020
You need to comply to rules if you want monetization.

>>8524770
Not him but most of the time when I try to bait a punch I just eat a rocket point blank. I'll resort to baiting when I don't have the appropriate space to dodge rockets

>>8524770
That only reliably works until you actually shoot the revenant.

>>8521969
Dipping my toes into UDB. Gonna start by making something resembling my old elementary school

>>8524686
>filename
my brain immediately went to /gif/. god fucking dammit

>>8525281
>only noticed the pillar after clicking post

>>8525024
Well, it IS a slaughter map, but I'm no Ribbicks, so expect it to not be too incredibly brutal..

But that's not what I meant by PAIN. (also there are a bunch of pain elementals in those mountains)

>>8524686
fucking great map anon

>>8524708
I know that. It was easier just to copy the giant circles I already had and extrude vertically.

Just finished Heartland, how the fuck does skillsaw nail it every time

>>8525019
It was you. You drew it while you were sleeping.

>>8517061
post channel please
Anyone else streaming/played Ad Mortem? I remember jaesumgai, transman and stxvile, they can't be the only ones and I'd gladly watch someone else

any good melee doom weapon sets?

>>8525427
GMOTA

>>8525427
GMOTA and Demonsteele
You can also use Samsara to play as Parias from Hexen; he's got a lot of strong melee weapons.

>>8525417
>stxvile
Do you got a link for this one? I don't think his recent uploads go back that far.

>>8525469
nah, wish it was somewhere cause that was a nice playthrough
>>8523841
Could this be done in Mbf21?

>>8522527
I found the second pistol and learned to spam the fusion one so now it's not so bad. Guns akimbo are a decent enough option for small groups/ lone enemies.

dooms soundtrack is great because its inspired by thrash and thrash is great
my opinion is correct

>>8525557
it's also inspired by grunge and grunge is shit

>>8525602
mostly thrash

>>8525602
someone's salty about map21

>>8525557
this dude listens to E1M2 and he thinks it's thrash and not buttfunk

>>8525629
i listened to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsgMo6Jm2X0
its metallica and pantera mostly
mostly pantera

How come so many people only reference “Doom 1 and 2” and not Final Doom when talking about “the classic Dooms”?

>>8525659
i consider doom 1s maps and doom 2's weapons classic
doom 2 has shit level design

>>8525659
Final Doom is technically just a bunch of new levels for 2
It doesn't add anything to the gameplay, it's just new levels to play
I know 2 sort of feels like an expansion pack for 1, but it at least has new enemies and a new weapon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSMZNXsYAqs

>>8525698
and here i thought this thread was safe from the shit that is the newer generation

>>8525659
it's from a different team other than id

>>8525728
that's some concerning naivety

>>8525741
i just wanna keep things comfy and free from the poison that is the new millenium

>>8525747
There is no escape.

>>8525747
then I'm glad there's people like you hiding and ignoring those posts instead of replying to them and giving them even more attention.

>>8525728
>sees a mashup of HL2 and a 90s simpsons episode
>complains about the newer generation
Isnt it breakfast time at the nursing home gramps?

>>8525762
Fuck you kid

I dont care its bootleg blood, cultic looks great.

Hope it comes out.

I think maybe the issue in time\length production with these games is having enough people making maps.

>struggle with a fight in a map
>die repeatedly
>realize i can just run past it instead

>Crank up difficulty on my map so it would bust my balls even with saves and be barely beatable with barely enough ammo
>Remove about a third monsters at random for HMP
>Play HMP
>It's actually more fun

>>8522668
I'm back and have finished Thy Flesh Consumed on UV with pistol starts and no reloads. Not too bad except maps 2 and 6. Think I spent about 3 hours on e4m6. I also played Fava Beans which was a cakewalk compared to e4 of Doom.

Other than this thread, where do you guys go to get new Doom mods and keep up to date with Doom related developments?

>>8525936
Nothing really. Doomworld is only useful for sourceport update news. The rest of it is 1st grade tier discussion.

>>8525967
Is it all really that bad? I've kept out of the forums for as long as I can remember, because I hate forum circlejerking and clique drama.

>>8525976
I wouldn't say it's bad, just not particularly useful.

>>8525976
A good amount of threads are just people asking completely inane things or bringing up topics that have been discussed a million times, but that tends to be the case when a community is so old

>>8525976
If you hate drama, and most of all, circlejerking, DW is not the place. Frequenting there for a few years, I know they'll lynch anyone with a different opinion, or at the very least, it'll turn into a pages-long discussion on why X speedrunner is better than Y speedrunner or something like that, and then the thread will get locked. They regularly treat certain groups of mappers like gods. Too bad that's the most popular Doom hangout.

>>8525976
Doomworld is a godawful circlejerk and I only go there to post a map and then fuck off.

>>8525936
Doomworld has a bunch of good articles curating mods to play, like the Cacowards
but holy hell stay away from the forums

>>8525936
i usually use different sources of where certain doom circles might be, just to see like a new wad, source port news or just anything doom related
>>8525976
in my experience it isn't so bad but i guess i'm just more careful
i do wish if we're gonna have ego trips over the sanctity of doom community, they should worry less over impie or torm and more about midnight and shit
those "bad eggs" are still related to an ongoing subculture while the latter feels like an example of gentrification people are sleeping on because "unlike other media, doom actually returned to its roots" made people ignore the series isn't entirely trend free

>>8525880
These days I found out that I enjoy fast HMP more than regular UV, apart from the iwads. Replacing the revenants in the first level of Plutonia with pinkies is lame.

>>8525429
>>8525430
GMOTA is the only fun melee doom wad I've played so far. The grappling hook to pull enemies closer is super fun to use.
demonsteel falls too far into the "we wanna be cool and stylish" trap and ends up being impractical or annoying to use on most maps.

>>8525936
There's a lot of high profile mappers in a few doom discords but their releases make it onto doomworld anyways, except ribbiks who posts onto his own blog.

>>8521969
It's not Saturday anymore but that won't stop me.
I heard you liked hexagons.

Why do I never hear anyone talking about Strange Aeons? Even as just a mapset it's great.

also fuck jannies imagine defending e-celebs

>>8526354
yeah they're pretty super

>>8523841
Would it be possible to give it a birth state that has an animation of a couple of frames of the revenant fireball turning into a chaingunner?

>there's no way to toggle or invert pushers in q1
>have to use an engine hack
>it's very poorly explained in the three resources that detail it
>but all you do is replace the classname and add two keys

So we can all agree Eternity Engiine blows ass right?

While we're talking about updating the image in the OP we should look at the pastebin. First of all, clearly no one is reading it, since this guy asks for a video:
>>8524790
which is linked there. Second and most important, this is what it says about Quake:

Q - I wanna play the good ol' QUAKE! How do I do that?
A - Well, you have several options here as well.
1. For Singleplayer, use Darkplaces
https://icculus.org/twilight/darkplaces/download.html
2. For Netplay, use EZQuake
http://ezquake.sourceforge.net/

>>8524096
The definition of nothing special. If you didn't know who made them, you'd disregard them as any other mediocre and uninspired maps from the era.

>>8526756
Yeah, they were quite unremarkable
like "yeah, that sure was a doom map"

>>8526483
yep. killtarget to switch them off, if needed.
>>8526703
a more up-to-date one is in the downloads section for whatever reason, the one that says "quake trlogy". but nobody reads any of them, so whatever.

>>8525417
Only did the first couple maps and has some monotone commentary but here
https://youtu.be/2W_uqIgpsoo

>>8526756
is there a columbine recreation wad tho

>>8526853
Not sure, but I know for certain that there's a recreation wad of the chirstchurch mosque shooting

>>8526853
It's right here, in my pocket. Would you like to see it?

Is there a way to make the 16th map of a megawad know you came from the secret levels or without going through them to make the player have a different spawn or is that something reserved for zdoom stuff?

>>8526864
UMAPINFO, my friend

>>8526703
Ey in my defense I read the pastebin a year or so ago.

I like this Ironwail fork alot.

>>8526862
don't trust niggers

Hey Kegan, where can I get the absolutely, positively latest version of combined arms?

>>8526979
my itch.io
https://combine-kegan.itch.io/combined-arms

>>8526987
Okay. We're running this for SNS tonight, by the way.

>>8526987
What are the odds of a souped-up Gaiden weapon being added to the crate pool in a future update?

>>8526992
I'm not sure how well that's gonna work. Didn't you boys have issues the last time you played C_A during a SNS? Though that was when I fucked up and the hitscan shot of the Cyclops Cannon could damage friendlies. That fucking sucked.

>>8526995
Well. I can't think of any of the Gaiden weapons that could make for a good crate weapon. At least not off the top of my head.

>>8527000
It's not SNS without crashes. Besides, this will be a good stress test for the VPS

>>8527000
Vic Viper rifle with the full weapon bar, including the forcefield and ! from gradius 3

>>8527076
Man I'm nearly done with this damn gun, the last thing I wanna do is work on it again in the future, plus it'd mean I'd have to go back and reshade all this stuff to make it match all of the other weapons.

SUNDAY NIGHT SHITSHOW TIME! Tonight we're playing through Plutonia Revisited: Community Project 2 with 3 life survival, Combined_Arms, and Touhou Doom monsters! Get psyched for the shitshow-iest shitshow to date!
51.161.34.159:10666
51.161.34.159:10666
51.161.34.159:10666

>>8525976
I wouldn't say it's THAT bad, there's people there who know how to do things and can, if not teach you how, help you by doing them for you, or at least partially.

I just don't want to talk social issues with anyone there.

>>8527086
2 life survival*
I'm not holding back this shitshow, the sluice gates have opened, and everyone will drown in it.

>>8526862
I do not think so african american dark gentleman, i may perhaps interest you in my double barrel shotgun from doom 2, to put it kindly in the interests of the janitors (they do it for free)

>>8526864
Use UMAPINFO and then make Map 31 and/or Map 32 go to a changed copy of Map 16 (maybe call it Map 61 or 69 or sumthn lol), with the respective alterations.

LMAO

>>8527123
>Instead of playing sunday night shitshow you post frogs on the internet
Lmao @ ur life

>>8527135
I can do both!

>>8527135
>sunday night
>3pm

>>8527140
My timezone has a bigger dick than yours.

>>8527146
Need a giant cock slap weapon wad

>>8527086
how join

>>8526884
Hopefully even though you read it you didn't install darkplaces

>>8527160
https://zandronum.com/downloads/zandronum3.1-win32-installer.exe
Just get the latest Zandronum and join "Sunday Night Shitshow #47" through doomseeker, WADs will automatically download.
Also Kegan your guns aren't affected by weaponstay you fucking donut

>>8527162
I only like doom so I guess I dodged that bullet.

>>8527185
Well yeah, they're not weapons. They're weird custominventory items that use missiles as pickup sprites. I did warn you.

>>8527206
oh how fancy

>>8527209
I'm actually not sure if it's possible to rig it up to play nice with weaponstay with how the weapons are set up.
I usually play with weapons respawning.

CAUTION: VORE

>>8527258
Fuck those things. What were they thinking with those homing balls?

>>8527285
I like them. That one in the collapsed pillars jumping section in Honey ate my ass for a good 5 minutes due to low/no ammo. They're great at making frantic situations, they serve the same purpose as fiends but ranged instead.

Is the pistol in Ad Mortem supposed to sound gay? Starting it right now

>>8527086
Wow it actually managed to kill the server
Restarting, this time with no toehoes

>>8527086
Server's back up, no more touhou. We'll play unmolested kegan gameplay now.

>>8527348
We got the same error. It's looking to be a map problem

Alright, turns out combined arms was the culprit. Server's up again

optimized the texture mapping (so it only calculates perspective every 8 pixels, similar to quake but they did 16 pixels there), which gained several ms (5ms in the spawn room in the slime test map)

>>8527339
>>8527348
>>8527382
I warned you bro. I warned you about my mods.
They're better if you play co-op with a small group of people, like 4.
Even IF it didn't crash, that many Artis running through a wad carnaging everything would get really easy and boring.

>>8527396
It wasn't that bad, actually. We ran with toehoe monsters to even the playing field.
Apparently Past Linked's boomerang is what caused it btw.

>>8527415
Probably due to the damn stun script. Which is weird, as it's pretty much a lift of the stun script from Blaz's stun bullets in GMOTA.

>>8527387
long time no see, man. or have I missed some of your posts? last one I remember is where you were just trying different palettes on.

>>8527423
I don't remember the last but it's been a couple months

>>8527330
You're playing it in the wrong port, only DSDA and I think PrBoom+ supports it, currently. The DEHEXTRA stuff breaks in in GzDoom.

>>8527415
>toehoe monsters
Wait what's this about toho weapons and monsters?
Link to these mods pls

>>8527482
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=65432&p=1189178
Just don't bother with the megawad.

>>8527493
How fucking dare you.

>>8527493
thanks
>Just don't bother with the megawad.
Sure thing

>>8527503
Anon I fucking mean it, you're going to have a miserable time if you play that.

>>8527507
Now I HAVE to try it

>>8527493
YES GOOD YOLE IS PLEASED
CONTINUE MY DARK WORK
not my other work though i have to do that

>>8527495
fkew

>>8527525
I am going to put through a fucking juicer. STOP BEING A BAD INFLUENCE ON PEOPLE HERE.

>>8527493
Man there are so many gameplay wads out there I've never heard of
I'm much more interested in those than just maps. I usually just want to replay the base game with different weapons instead of trying maps

>>8527525
Shit, hey yholl. I haven't seen you here in forever. How's kyle? Are you two married yet?
>>8527527
>It's another kegan getting so mad he can't even speak proper english episode

>>8527541
I'm sorry he just does this all the time and I get REALLY fucking indignant. There's a reason why I made the Miscreants the way they are.

>>8527541
hey there, I was summoned by people making fun of kegan
kyle's doing alright too, I don't talk to him as much as I used to
technically if you're going for a "marriage by constant interaction" thing then I'd have to marry kegan

i'm sure that sentence won't cause him any anguish at all to read

>>8527513
Okay, just don't say I didn't warn you. Livestream?
>>8527563
You don't fucking know what you just brought upon this forsaken land

>>8527563
Fuck.

>>8527584
Make your time, he has just unleashed an unholy evil and it is approaching this thread very fast.

Kegan?
more like Vegan

>>8527443
How does playing the wrong port make the pistol "sound gay", exactly?

>>8527642
Because making maps incompatible with the best and most popular port is absolutely retarded

>>8527650
It's not our fault MBF21 isn't in GZDoom yet.

>>8527650
I think it's pretty fucking based.

>>8527642
Because whatever it is that Ad Mortem does with MBF21 and DEHEXTRA to do its things, GzDoom simply doesn't support. I'm hoping that it eventually will, but as of now GzDoom doesn't understand all of it, so functions are ignored, and I guess with DeHacked in itself being a bullshit hack mess, throwing in a bunch of stuff which the port doesn't recognize, some shit comes out weird.

>>8527654
>>8527703
Ad Mortem might run in a later build of GZDoom, but that's on Graf. It's out of our hands if he implements MBF21 or not.

>>8527706
Given how likely MBF21 will play a role in a lot of WADs in the forseeable future, I think he probably will.

>>8527650
Go complain to Graf Zahl that he hasn't fully implemented this shit.
Go complain to Kraflab for choosing to extend the archaic and unreadable bullshit that is DeHacked, rather than just starting fresh or ripping off Decorate.
Go complain at all the other sourceport people for really dragging their feet with implementing an ass backwards extension of a cumbersome and idiosyncratic legacy format that's the borderline equivalent of a fifth wheel on your car.

We used MBF21 and DEHEXTRA because it was there and fit our scope.

>>8527706
>>8527721
MBF21 is one thing, DEHEXTRA is another.

Understanding the eggheads making sourceports correctly, while it adds a lot of functionality for the user, for the guy who has to put the engine together, it's a complete shitbiscuit to actually implement and then also maintain, because it isn't actually a sane format, it's DeHacked but even bigger. The Eternity guy isn't even going to add it to his port.

I genuinely think that it would be for the betterment of everyone that DEHEXTRA was thrown into the trash and support for it was removed, and instead it was replaced with a straightforward coding language which a human being could actually implement, maintain, and also write code for without a workaround like DecoHack.
Yeah, that means a bunch of people are gonna have to redo the code for their mods, but it hasn't actually been used by many people for very long, it'd be a small price to pay that would give returns.

>>8527734
>>8527750
Actually I may be confusing DEHEXTRA with DSDeHacked, but still.

>>8527750
Yeah, no doubt implementing these things is no easy task. I'm honestly grateful for all the active sourceport devs we have in the community, honestly. Naturally, people are going to have disagreements on what should/shouldn't be done, but I'm no computer whiz, so I don't pretend to understand that shit. I'm just happy to have these people putting in the time to make the ports that keep the game alive and accessible to so many different people with different systems and such.

With the release of Doom 32X resurrection, I was thinking that consoles like the 3DO and Saturn could get proper Doom Ports too.

>>8527801
Seconded. Ditto for a PS1, N64 or Saturn Port of either Blood or Shadow Warrior.

>>8527086
Meh.

>>8527904
Meh.

Let's find new mods to play since CA is a no go.

>>8527904
dam, I missed it.

>>8527934
You didn't miss much fun outside of bullying kegan

Kegan is weak

>>8528054
lmao

>>8528054
You leave my boy Arti outta this.

>>8528054
ahn~

>>8528095
This picture has a double meaning. Arti crashed the server twice. The touhou anime girl mod didn't. I guess you really are weak, kegs.

The absolute state of UV Max fags.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LKq3-4CZdgM

>>8523841
>yo dawg, we heard you like Plutonia

>>8526820
music is a little loud, drowns out your voice, but I liked the vid, hope you do the rest. I want to do a video of my own on AM but I'm not sure what the deal is with a potential Part 2 or if it'll just be an update.

>>8523468
He also made most of the levels. Post your maps

>>8526649
What else are you gonna use to play Heartland, anon?

>>8528920

>>8528929
Rude.

>>8527525
>yholl
are you the fucker who nerfed doomguy's strafe speed in Final Doomer? come here i just want to talk

Speaking on the potential inclusion of a BD branch in the infographic, I think including Arthur's Edition would be the best balance between the bloat of PB and the barebones design of BD Lite.

is it true d64 cybies did lead their shots?

>>8529279
Don't think so.

So i actually threw some cash at Todd's face and bought the unity port on steam. In the addon's section is a wad I never heard of before that's called Doom Zero. Any thoughts? Worth the time?

>>8529305
Doom Zero is really good. Pretty much all the community wads have been excellent. It's a great resource even if you don't play the Unity ports for recommendations and wide screen assets.

>>8529302
Their rockets come at an angle making, it’s fascinating if someone interpreted that as “shot leading”.

>>8529305
Pretty good if you like Hexen-based gameplay (switch hunts, puzzles). Only problem is that the enemy count is really low; some maps literally have none at all and are only exploration based.

>>8529356
Is this that stupid "Doom Zero has no enemies" forced meme from last year?

Stardate 20x8 when

>>8529279
>>8529337
They shoot at a downwards angle, meaning it's very easy for one to land at your feet and kill you with splash damage. If the player isn't paying attention it can certainly feel like the Cyberdemon has much better aim.
So they don't lead their shots, but they do aim differently.

>burnt out on Doom
>burnt out on Descent 2
>burnt out on Marathon
>can't play Quake till QSS gets fixed because I don't have a vk-compatible gpu
>don't like Duke, Quake 2
>don't like Shadow Warrior or Strife (which I both finished)
>already finished Thief 1, 2, Rekkr, Heretic, Hexen, Hexen 2, Blood, RtCW multiple times
>sort of gave up on System Shock, Exhumed (both PC and Saturn), Arthurian Legends, Unreal, Undying, Alice (like them but feel like I don't have the time/ patience to go through them)
What else is there to play? Wolf 3D and Blake Stone are both on my radar, but I feel I might get filtered by the limitations.

>>8529319
>>8529356
I will give it a try then I guess. Something to test the port with.

>>8529606
Hedon

>>8529606
>can't play Quake till QSS gets fixed because I don't have a vk-compatible gpu
Older builds or the kex version don't work for you either?

>>8529606
>What else is there to play?
Nothing, take a break.

>>8529620
Never.
>>8529624
Older builds work, but then I get those older bugs as well, like having to set lerpmove and lerpmodels in autoexec. I wish we had more frequent builds.
>>8529627
I am taking a break, I play like 1-2 hours at most and mostly during weekends, not every single day. When I have more time I play Anno 1404 in LAN with my GF and I keep raiding the shit out of her if she doesn't pay me tribute.

>>8529696
>I am taking a break
Good job, keep it up and then you won't be burnt out on Doom anymore. Maybe by that point you'll have a better PC to play Quake.

How good would a gun that shoots the trap darts from Doom 64 be, assuming they have roughly same properties as the actual darts and fire at about the rate of a rocket launcher?

>>8529729
How much damage do they do?

>>8529737
I have no idea!

>>8529705
>Maybe by that point you'll have a better PC to play Quake
Reading this in 2022 feels so bizarre.

>>8529751
[laughs in chicken]

>>8529746
There's already two projectile-firing weapons, and the distinction between rapid fire or splash damage is already there. It would seem redundant next to the plasma gun.

>>8529606
Serious Sam, Turok, Forsaken, SiN etc

>>8521867
Typical city level faggot who knows shit about level design.

>>8529797
I already finished Serious Sam TFE and TSE on hardest difficulty with two friends in coop.
Turok is really meh, Forsaken & SiN maybe, but I don't really like their aesthetic.
Forsaken especially feels like Descent, but gay.

>>8529808
>I already finished Serious Sam TFE and TSE on hardest difficulty with two friends in coop.
Did you play with respawns on or with lives?

>>8529770
the only way i can think of the dart gun being unique is if the projectiles ripped through crowds; could be good for shredding caco swarms

>>8529816
Tbh I don't recall, since that was a few years ago, I think lives because I remember one of the medieval levels in TSE almost ending our run.

>>8529808
Rise of the triad, Deus Ex, Max Payne, VtMB, Arx Fatalis, Heroes 3, Jagged Alliance, Divine Divinity, Fallout, Monkey Island, WH40k DoW, XCOM.

>>8529865
Don't like it, finished, finished, finished, finished, played a lot of, too complex for me to get into it right now, will check it out, finished, heard of it but never played - will check it out, played a lot of, played a lot of.
Although I don't think I want more recs, I feel like by this point I seem a little bit whiny, so I'd rather have the thread go in a different direction.
Still, thank you all for your replies.

>>8529808
Serious Sam 3 is not bad from what I remember, although I'm not a big SS fan and didn't finish it. Just avoid 4.

>>8529931
4 is great, what are you talking about?
It's way better than 3. Not to say 3 is bad but man the pacing is fucked early on in that game.

I figure Id ask here since there are probably a lot of modders here.

Basically I want to find an engine where I can do a total conversion mod and essentially make my own FPS that can be played online with friends (with my own models/maps/etc)

Whats the best engine or devkit or whatever to achieve this? Ive messed around in GZDoom, Quake via progs_dump, but Im looking for the most "dummy friendly" engine to do this in that would support MP with the mods I make.

Im a complete beginner but I basically just want to be able to make my own maps and do TDM and stuff with friends on them

>>8529606
you've likely played all the ones of the era you like,play later stuff like half-life,i know its not structurally a boomershooter,but the gameplay is not too far.
you could also play newer boomeershooters ,like DUSK and amid evil.

>>8529926
You're welcome and fair enough, I was starting to go off topic with the recs anyway.
>>8526068
Interesting idea, playing lower skill levels but with fast monsters enabled. Might try that.
I tried downloading Doom Launcher recently but it seemed so needlessly complicated coming from ZDL that I went straight back. It does look cool on screenshots when it's all set up, though.

>>8529961
If you don't care about advanced functionality, you can try a Zandronum TC. If MP is required, you won't get around it anyway.
In the end it really depends on what features you want.

>>8529753
There's an all new fork of QuakeSpasm which gives some pretty stellar performance improvements, Ironwail.

Are there any good schizo games/mods sort of like Grezzo 2? I really like that shit.

>>8528929
based

>>8529931
>>8529939
3 is a whole lot better with mods

>>8529606
Elderborn

>>8521875
What about Kingpin Reloaded

>>8521867
My balls, your face

>>8530030
What about PowerSlave Exhumed
>>8530018
I heard this is not only short, but bad as well. How would you say it compares to Amid Evil for instance?

>>8529961
If you're already familiar with Quake, then FTEQuakeworld is probably ideal. That will give you the ease of QC with most of the limitations removed and the best Quake netcode. I've been planning a project with it myself, infact.

GZDoom is probably simpler, but the networking is beyond asscheeks. Like >>8529997 said there's always Zandronum if you really want to do a multiplayer Doom clone.

>>8530047
its more like an arcade dark messiah.

>>8530067
That sounds pretty good if it has environment interaction like swinging from ropes, spikes, throwing objects around, killing enemies with rock slides and stuff like that. Did not see anything like that however, mostly just a lot of melee combat.

stay away you titty monster

>>8530087
No, you can deflect enemy projectile with some weapons, and use the head of enemies as a throwable projectile.

How often do you guys quicksave?

I started getting into retro shooters with the personal rule of only saving at the start of levels, so dying means starting the level over. I got through pretty much all the old games I played no problem with this rule (Doom 1-2, Duke, Blood, Shadow Warrior), but now that I'm moving on to mods, megawads, and new retro-style shooters ('Dusk' on Cero Miedo, 'Amid Evil' on Evil, etc), this rule is starting to get me wrecked, since they're longer, more intricate, and overall just harder. I want to ease up the restriction a bit, but not make it too easy.

We found some old ass skulltag clan HQ wad. If you want to join us in exploration, just search "punch's secret cool server" in doomseeker. Password is "punchisafag"

>>8530136
I usually save between fights. If I can't win fights without saving I probably jumped above my skill level. But I usually don't feel playing saveless is worthless, unless I find the level particularly fun and it is short.

>>8530116
That's pretty cool. Might get it on a discount, I prefer if I can get at least 1 hour of game per dollar spent.
>>8530136
Interesting topic, I think there's a few levels to saving. Saving when you get keys or other essential objects makes saving fairly rare. Saving whenever you are about to open a door or jump down a place you cannot get back from or other points of no return makes saving more frequent. The most frequent saving I can allow myself is whenever I am not at risk of dying. That means I could go AFK and not die.

>>8530136
>dusk
>amid evil
>hard
bro nothing in dusk can hit you and 90% of everything in AE tickles. stop misleading people with your not-retro shilling, dave.
but to answer your question, before and after every single platforming section. if you put platforming in your map, you're giving me a save token. that's the trade.

>>8530136
>How often do you guys quicksave?
No more during classic 90s content. For more modern Doom/Quake maps it’s usually zero to one, two to three for giant maps with kill counts in the thousands.

>>8530056
I made a little GZDoom MP gui that alleviates some of the pain of running a game
It's not something that hasn't been done, but it works pretty well.

>play Doom 64 Consolation Prize with Samsara
>the homing fireballs in Dark Entries are flying Blood Demons
I don't know why the fuck that happened, but it was pretty fun so whatever.

This is the least known, but in actuality the best Doom in the series

>>8530506
wrong pic

Does anyone have that one gif of Ranger holding up the Quake logo?

Thanks in advance.

>>8530432
just samsara or did you use some enemy addon?
which version?
>>8530506
d64 was noticed in the fanbase multiple times, even if it required fan ports

>>8530506
>>>/v/585392230
>>>/v/585325092
if I validate your opinion by pretending to agree with it, will you stop spamming it?

>>8530568
Have you noticed that there's always some guy who is needlessly obsessed with some piece of retro FPS content? It's like this one guy discovers something, thinks he's some kind of archaeologist or hipster, and feels the need to make everyone on the site know that he found this thing. I noticed it with the Half-Life WON versions, then it was older versions of Doom, and more recently it was the Lost Episode of Doom. Is the same guy doing this with Doom 64 now?
Shit's getting pretty annoying regardless.

>>8530562
Here you go.

>>8530106

>>8530136
>How often do you guys quicksave?
1. Whenever I feel that I don't want to repeat whatever section of the game I just completed (e.g. platforming as the other guy said).
2. Whenever I've just played through an easy part of the game and the next part is hard. If you think saving right before a boss fight is cheating then you can eat my ass. Repeating tedious busywork isn't difficult; it's just annoying.

>>8530568
How about you be honest and tell me what you really think.