/vr/ - Retro Games

not every game has a dream team behind it. the credits of CT carry some weight and have a lot of breadth in expertise

>Why aren't games like this anymore?
Polling groups

>>8527027
going to play this for the first time soon, what am I in for?

>>8527063
the best 25hrs of the JRPG genre

>>8527068
>already halfway through the game
Any recs after I finish? I had FFVI planned or Earthbound.

Chrono Trigger's plot structure is literally perfect for an RPG, so much so that no RPG since has quite nailed it. The game is built with an A/B plot structure. Each chapter introduces an overarching goal, a complication that emerges as a result of that goal, and when you solve that problem it sets up the complication for the next chapter.

So like you're stuck in the past and your goal is to get home. But then that leads to the complication with Marle/Queen Leene which you have to solve before getting home. So the A plot is to get home but the B plot is to save the Queen. Accomplishing these tasks seems to set everything right but then that causes the next complication that you seemingly kidnapped the princess. The whole game operates this way which means it never slogs. I've yet to play an RPG that really understands plot structure this tight. FFVII and Mass Effect 2 are the only games that come close.

>>8527078
Rudhra no Hihou is better than both.
>earthbound
ZOOM ZOOM

>>8527094
holy fucking spoilers batman

>>8527094
Delete this you fool, there are little ears in this thread

>>8527095
>ZOOM ZOOM
Yes I said in my OP post I'm a zoomer, that's why I want to play the classics I've yet to play.

>Why aren't games like this anymore?

Because it doesn't feature a biological female undergoing HRT as the main protagonist.

>>8527110
>>8527112

Chrono Trigger's plot structure is literally perfect for an RPG, so much so that no RPG since has quite nailed it. The game is built with an A/B plot structure. Each chapter introduces an overarching goal, a complication that emerges as a result of that goal, and when you solve that problem it sets up the complication for the next chapter.

So like you're stuck in the past and your goal is to get home. But then that leads to the complication with Marle/Queen Leene which you have to solve before getting home. So the A plot is to get home but the B plot is to save the Queen. Accomplishing these tasks seems to set everything right but then that causes the next complication that you seemingly kidnapped the princess. The whole game operates this way which means it never slogs. I've yet to play an RPG that really understands plot structure this tight. FFVII and Mass Effect 2 are the only games that come close.

>>8527068
its far more if you go for all endings

>>8527117
Earthbound's rep is overblown. I'd recommend Mario RPG next, personally.

>>8527041
This. CT had the creators of Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and Dragon Ball all working together in the mid-90s when they were all in their prime.
>>8527027
Good on you OP. I played it for the first time last year and was blown away by how fun it was. Consult a guide if you get stuck, I remember a few quests being obtuse

>>8527149
I could agree with that. I think Earthbound hits a little better after you've played a Dragon Quest game

It really is impressive how well Chrono Trigger holds up. I'm 26 but was introduced to the genre by this game and Final Fantasy IV around age 7. Set the bar pretty high

>>8527094
The great part about Chrono Trigger is less the plot structure (which is fine don't get me wrong) but the efficiency of the cutscenes and pacing of them with gameplay. They manage to be both dramatic, memorable, and brief. Nothing is belabored. Spectacle is tasteful. Tone is consistent and well-balanced to stay lightweight and child-friendly but serious enough to satisfy teens.

Some people are left wanting more, it's not the deepest or most ambitious game. But it's great for what it is.

>>8527167
Yeah, I think they're both related. The dungeons and various sequences don't overstay their welcome. But this ties to the plot structure because unlike most RPGs there are no transition dungeons that exist mostly to give you something to do between point A and point B. A lot of RPGs will tell you what to do but then put a bunch of shit in your way that just happens to be there or other plot contrivances that don't have any narrative weight. [spoilers]Like Kino stealing the gate key is set up beforehand because his motivations are previously established and, importantly, the plot point isn't dropped cold since Kino's character development stays relevant. So the detour has meat and serves as the B plot to that chapter. A lesser RPG would just have a random street urchin steal your shit in town and once you chase him down he vanishes from the story entirely.[/spoilers] So everything in CT feels coherent and purposeful. And, yes, you're 100% right that the chapters are peppy enough that you're always getting solid benchmarking for your progress. You're never stuck in a random dungeon for a solid hour just fighting enemies and opening chests in out of the way alcoves.

>>8527167
Yeah, I think they're both related. The dungeons and various sequences don't overstay their welcome. But this ties to the plot structure because unlike most RPGs there are no transition dungeons that exist mostly to give you something to do between point A and point B. A lot of RPGs will tell you what to do but then put a bunch of shit in your way that just happens to be there or other plot contrivances that don't have any narrative weight. Like Kino stealing the gate key is set up beforehand because his motivations are previously established and, importantly, the plot point isn't dropped cold since Kino's character development stays relevant. So the detour has meat and serves as the B plot to that chapter. A lesser RPG would just have a random street urchin steal your shit in town and once you chase him down he vanishes from the story entirely. So everything in CT feels coherent and purposeful. And, yes, you're 100% right that the chapters are peppy enough that you're always getting solid benchmarking for your progress. You're never stuck in a random dungeon for a solid hour just fighting enemies and opening chests in out of the way alcoves.

I think the game works much better if you interpret Crono's silence literally and play the game with the impression that he's autistic. His reactions and everyone's reaction to him come off so much better.

>>8527117
Yeah but only play Earthbound if you love the popular trans "girl" at school. It's their favorite game.

>>8527078
Seiken Densetsu 3

>>8527027
Beat this last year during lockdown, one of the best games I ever played.

>Square ripped off SEGA's combo tech system

Chronobros... it's literally over

chrono trigger is amazing and a great entry level jrpg.
it has random battles but not really, so players new to the genre get eased in.
the combat is flashy but extremely simplistic

>>8527308
I hate zoomers so much it's unreal bros

>>8527078
>>8527078
try grandia
imo its the best battle system in JRPGs

What is this song?

https://onlinesequencer.net/2519054

Bros Help, I'm almost positive it's a battle theme from a JRPG

>>8527078
lufia 2.

1. Yasunori Mitsuda is gaming's best composer
2. Yuji Horii is gaming's best writer (don't be fooled by his 4th billing on the Wikipedia page, he wrote most of it)
3. Akira Toriyama is gaming's best artist
4. Hironobu Sakaguchi is gaming's best designer

>>8527027
Only played it because /v/ shits on it daily. Its a fucking masterpiece.

>>8527027
>i'm a zoomer
why do you guys always have to fuckin announce that? it doesn't matter. i don't go "i'm a millenial and i like a game"

yeah glad you like the game. are you virtue signalling or something? sure as fuck sounds like it.

>>8528657
/v/ has some of the shittest taste in vidya I've ever witnessed

Mario RPG is a starter RPG but I wuv it anyway.

>>8528657
it should be called Homo Trigger because it triggers homos

>>8528862
It's the /vr/ equivalent of virtue signalling. "I'm a zoomer but I'm cool guys" lol

Just farted

>>8527095

No it isn't. OP, don't play that boring game.

>>8528648
>3. Akira Toriyama is gaming's best artist

OK this one made me laugh.

>>8528648
>2. Yuji Horii is gaming's best writer (don't be fooled by his 4th billing on the Wikipedia page, he wrote most of it)
It's hilarious how they tried to give credit to that fucking hack Masato Kato to try and hype the shitty sequel for which none of the dream team returned.

>>8527149
Based SMRPG is a great SNES RPG. I'd even recommend the 2 DQ games over EarthBound.

>>8529156
You guys made this bed with all of the -oomerposting, unfortunately. They're posting rookies and feel threatened

>>8529156
The /vr/ discord showed me how many of the fags on here are zoomers pretending to be boomers. Like bro, like retro stuff if you like but you don't have to justify by acting like a boomer elitist faggot.

>>8529552
>I'd even recommend the 2 DQ games
I may play those instead then. I've only played XI which I enjoyed a lot.

>>8529537
>Kato still claims credit for Chrono Trigger to this very day

No fucking wonder Chrono Break never happened. The whole team more than likely found him a massive pain in the ass to deal with (which is ironic, since Kato and Sakaguchi were originally up for a direct sequel to Trigger after it was released and when they were working on FFXI together).

>>8529102
If /v finds out that a videogame doesn't have shotas or lolis (or furfags too), they will relentlessly shit on it and call everything they disagree with reddit.

Its such a dogshit board.

>>8529552
> I'd even recommend the 2 DQ games over EarthBound.

Nice to see people finally realising how overhyped that fucking game is. What an obnoxious shitty game.

>>8527027
>the story actually makes me want to play further to see what happens next
It gets better and better as you go and actually becomes meaningful rather than just ADVENTURRRRR!!! yet without going somber or shifting the tone.
Combat is a toy. Treat it as such. Combat is designed to be unlosable. But it still has some nice exploration, some nonlinearity, and even a bit of a difficulty romp before the final boss that requires you to understand how the pre-final-boss open world works before going into the final battles prepared.
Good stuff despite basically being an early story-first moviegame.

>>8527117
Don't play Earthbound right after CT. It's a completely different type of game. Don't play JRPGs back to back in general.
Keep in mind that there is a brain-dead idiot in the thread. If they accuse you of being a zoomer or start talking about trans people all of a sudden, it's them. Their opinion is not representative.

>>8529701
>The whole team more than likely found him a massive pain in the ass to deal with
Gee, I wonder why.

>>8527078
LIVE A LIVE

>>8527078
>zoomer is about to fall for the ruse that Earthbound is a good game

anon, don't waste your time with it. seriously. play literally any other RPG, for your own sanity's sake.

>>8529714
I don't even think it's a bad game by any stretch, but it makes more sense once you've played a Dragon Quest game.

>>8529740
>They said it had to be a happy ending, so we eventually settled on the story with clone as it is today.

Holy fucking shit, no wonder CC was fucking ass. I can imagine what this moody little shit was like just by his account alone.

>>8527240
Crono is a NEET who lives with his mom and cat and got friendzoned by the only girl that talks to him

>>8529740
This man really didn’t understand what Horii, Toriyama and Sakaguchi were going for

>>8527078
Bahamut Lagoon

>>8529785
anon...

>>8529727
>Don't play JRPGs back to back in general.
Why not? I played M&L Superstar Saga before getting into Chrono Trigger and haven't had any problems.

>>8529849
wow, two of my favorites back to back. very nice

>>8529849
Mario and Luigi "RPGs" are short and simple. Something like Earthbound is a large investment of patience and attention.

>>8529763
>play literally any other RPG, for your own sanity's sake.
Not that anon but ok, I'm going to play Wizardry 4 for my own sanity's sake.

>>8529881
You're talking to a child younger than OP. They didn't understand your joke at all.

>>8529740
That would have been cool.

>>8529892
Found the crossfag

>>8529902
I did like Cross but to be honest I didn't find either game to be anything special, and at this point most of the plot of both games is just a blur in my mind.

>>8529537
>>8529701
Both could be true depending on how you look at it. This happens in movies where one person will come up with the plot and outline the overall story while someone else does the actual dialogue and scripting. I bet something similar happened with Chrono Trigger. Who's "more" responsible depends on how you look at it.

>>8529714
Earthbound does have a genius feature, though. Auto-killing enemies you're way overpowered for is a serious time saver.

We'll never have the facts, but we can trust the logic. And here's the logic.
1. Horii wrote a bunch of great games before and after CT.
2. Kato hasn't written another good game either before or after.
There's reason not only to think that all of the best parts of CT were written by other people, but that if you dislike anything about CT's script, THAT'S probably Kato.

>>8529913
Cross is structured like the anti-Chrono Trigger. Instead of any benchmarking you're just hopping around from place to place solving whatever issues crop up without any idea of why any of it is happening until near the end the ENTIRE game's story is dropped on you over the course of 20 minutes.

>>8529706
Based /v/

>>8529950
it's obvious horii had the largest influence over the overall plot if you've played only one dragon Quest game

>>8529950
The only aspects of CT that I arguably "dislike" (which is a strong word in this case) are the elements that feel unfinished. Dalton's weird disappearance (fuck you, I know what you're going to say and it's dumb) and the very underwhelming north palace that was obviously meant to be meatier. I also think Frog should have turned human immediately after killing Magus.

>>8529932
DQ had this feature on the NES, it's called holy water.

>>8528648
>3. Akira Toriyama is gaming's best artist
pppffffttttt

>>8529979
>Dalton's weird disappearance
If you wankers didn't keep going on about him, I wouldn't even remember he existed. He's just a random villain in a game full of random villains, even less important than Johnny.
>fuck you, I know what you're going to say
CC is fanfiction. It didn't happen. RD is so badly designed and written it's not even fanfiction.

>>8530036
>RD is so badly designed and written it's not even fanfiction.
picrel

>>8530041
Don't read Japanese interviews. They're 100% scripted and fake.

>>8529858
>Something like Earthbound is a large investment of patience and attention.
I thought Earthbound was one of those shorter JRPGs. My bad

Didn't like the story so much

>>8527308
you have to be 18 to post here

>>8528648
>3. Akira Toriyama is gaming's best artist
sure if you want all your characters to be goku and bulma

>>8530441
>if you want all your characters to be goku and bulma
yeah

>>8530587
I support you in your preferences anon

>>8530597
thank you

>>8530608
weird that they don't look like bulma and goku in that one

>>8530614
they do in this one

>>8530620
much better

>>8529740
>Go to past to get Crono before the adventure began.
>Have to train him up all-over again
>To differentiate between him and the main character, this Crono talks.
>Defeat Lavos, save the world.
>Have to return him to his point before the faire, dooming him to live the events of the game knowing he's going to die at the end.
I kinda like it. Has the same vibes FFX had

>>8530620
>>8530629
I've just noticed that that one has krillin in it too

>>8530631
Don't forget
>Doesn't talk because he can't tell his comrades what happens because that would potentially alter the timeline
>New Game + is more meta than before, as the alternative endings are Crono trying to beat Lavos without dying.
>True ending is beating Lavos in the ocean palace

>>8530631
>>8530648
S P O I L E R S

>>8530629
i unironically don't understand how people don't like toriyama's style but w/e

>>8530635
lmao
don't worry he turned into teen gohan after toriyama started drawing the cell arc

>>8530654
it's not really the style people tend to complain about, it's more the sameface

>>8530671
sameface is peak soul
except when it's takeuchi

>>8527078
Chrono Cross

>>8530747

>>8530695
that just, like, your opinion, man

>>8529537
Massive cope. Kato planned and wrote the game, Horii just supervised the process. Also, Guile is canonically Magus and there is nothing you can do about it.

>>8530671
To be fair to Toriyama, the only reason he's known for sameface is because he's worked on a dozen high profile properties. Any artist that prolific is going to have an equal amount of recycling.

The sad part is that Toriyama is actually amazing at drawing older women and doesn't do it nearly enough. Chi Chi and Bulma have only improved with age. Chrono's mom is the unappreciated hottie of the game.

>>8527149
This. Play Mario RPG, CT, FF5 and FF6. There are some lesser known games like Bahamut Lagoon and Live-A-Live that are probably more deserving of your attention than Earthbound.

>>8530767
it's so funny that crono died in cross lmao

>>8530968
Cross did kill Chrono, that's true.

>>8527308
>Grow up loving gross out humor, so the "This Game Stinks" ad campaign actually worked on me
>Get the game for Christmas and love it.
>In addition to barf jokes and beating up hippies, there was stuff about aliens, ESP, cults, cryptids and other X-Files stuff that was right up my alley
>Obsess over the players guide because the faux travel brochure format made it a fun read and it was cool seeing all the clay enemy models
>End up replaying the game every year because it's fairly short and requires next to no grinding, unless you want rare drops
>Flash forward to the early 2000s
>Discover starman.net and the Earthbound community and get excited
>They're all annoying faggots that think knowing about the game made them special and half of them didn't even actually play the game because they seemed to think it was some deep, touching, coming of age story
>Mother 3 gets a translation
>Shit gets more insufferable
>Undertale comes out
>All hope is lost

I honestly don't blame people for having a negative reaction to Earthbound. The cult that's surrounded it and hoisted it up as some meaningful piece of art have done the game a huge disservice, far more than the infamous advertisements and scratch and sniff cards ever did. At least they let you know it's a silly game that's not meant to be taken entirely seriously. It's a fine entry level RPG. The rolling HP and visible enemies that run if you're too powerful keep it from getting frustrating to get through. Plus the comedic flavor text during some of the battles make them a bit more interesting. The music's great, and although the graphics are really simplistic for SNES standards, the enemy designs are a lot of fun. It's not worth the type of hype it's gotten, but it's still a pretty good game if you're looking for a breezy RPG you can knock out in a few sessions. Although as the years have gone by, I think I like the original Mother a bit more.

>>8530671
It's the dumbest criticism ever. Michelangelo also drew samefaced same bodies. It's not a problem at all. It's called a personal style and it's a rare thing.

>>8531128

>>8527027
>I'm a zoomer

>>8531128
toriyama is basically the michaelangelo of japan desu

>>8531123
This

>>8531123
>>Discover starman.net and the Earthbound community and get excited
Did you ever post?

>>8531123
t. most accurate post ever written about this series as well as about Undergay

>>8530041
RD was arguably better written than Cross and I'm tired of pretending its not.

>>8531339
I joined and probably posted a hand full of times back in the early 2000s. It seemed like most of the people there were more interested in fan fiction and the kind of autistic "deep" theories that you'd eventually see plaguing youtube clickbait videos.

>>8530671
Most manga artists have a hand full of stock characters that they reuse and just switch hairstyles and wardrobe. Most of the time they have to deliver chapters on a weekly basis, so they just have to do what they know they can do quick. Rumiko Takahashi has a bad case of the same faces too, but hey, you do what you gotta do to get the job done. I think where Toriyama really shines is his machinery and weapons. The dude would draw some ultra detailed tank at a dynamic angle that probably took an entire day, all for a Dr Slump title page.

>>8530441
if you really look at a DQ cover or DBZ group drawing you'll notice that no one has the same facial features or hair, including eye and hair colors, except those who are directly related (as they should)

you only think he has a sameface problem because, one, you just repeat what other people say and have no original thoughts, and two, his overall style is just that much more recognizable than most artists and you conflate that with "samey." if you blocked out the faces from toriyama's art you'd still be able to tell it was him, whereas with many other artists that probably wouldn't be the case

>>8532061
yeah but they all have the same face, hence "sameface".

>>8529561
Well, I personally didn't, and I've always thought -oomerposting (or people using words like "zoomer" IRL which is even worse) is retarded newspeak and an example of the general erosion of the english language that is currently taking place, but ok.

>>8531123
>this game is good but it's okay to hate it because of the fanbase
You're a tremendous faggot honestly.
Fanbases are irrelevant for single-player games. You either enjoy playing the game or you don't, whether or not you get annoyed discussing it with people afterwards doesn't matter.

>>8531128

Yes, Michelangelo sucked too. A skilled artist would vary faces while still showing a personal style.

>>8527496
i'm almost positive you are le retardo

>>8535373
Yes, perhaps
But what is it brotherman?

Is this green guy actually in the game? I don't remember any enemy that looks like that. The closest I can think of are the Ogans and that's a hell of a stretch.

>>8535682
Thanks doc

>>8535682
Slash?

>>8529950
>2. Kato hasn't written another good game either before or after.
There's the first Baten Kaitos for better or worse

>>8538503
Im playing this game and it good. Very pretty game.

>>8527063
if you r into JRPG, you can have a good time, for me, it was a boring, repetitive and extensive game, I can understand why so many people like this game and I really envy them for enjoying these games, I mean, you can see games like FF and Pokemon are quite popular everywhere, but for me, I don't like that type of atmosphere, gameplay, combat system and I found the graphics and storytelling way too childish and stupid in all the games I tried to play.

but it's just me, I'm not into RPG, not even the classic CRPG, not even diablo, nowdays, I'm not even a player anymore, I just like read and talk shit on this board. It's to troll me or hate me if you want, I don't mind at all.

>>8527353
>Holocaust

oy vey, that's not kosher.

>>8538765
>I'm not even a player
are you one of those collectors?

>>8530653
Shut the fuck up

>>8530902
>not FF4
Why

>>8536424
Piccolo

>>8538765
>I'm not even a player anymore, I just like read and talk shit on this board
Could you just get a trip please?

>>8527078
Great picks. FFVI and Earthbound are both near perfect games. I’d also recommend DQ5 (fan translation of the PS2 version is easy to emulate and maybe the best RPG ever made) and the PSX Tales of Phantasia. Think you’ll like all of those if you like Chrono Trigger

>>8539625
naaah I don't spend money on that, instead I like to use my cash on traveling or different shit, like accesories for my motorbike.

>>8540410
sure be my guest, you mad pal?

>>8529714
It's not shitty. It's still great just overhyped. Like Star Wars. I wouldn't be surprised if someone said they saw a trailer and aren't interested or don't see what the fuss is about.

>>8540617
>its still great

its mediocre at best and should be treated like a weird indie game then some kind of bigshot AAA game.

earthbound haters flexing for no one as usual, you're too mature for barf monsters or whatever and that's great i guess. the sound engineering alone is an incredible achievement; it sounds better than many commercially produced symphonic albums. you didn't understand the game, while people like toby fox did, and went on to make stuff that's just as great or better. your creative output, on the other hand, begins and ends in the bathroom

>>8541037
>should be treated like a weird indie game
Naw, it should be treated like the first Paper Mario. A nice beginner RPG that's carried by it's humor and charm. It's no weirder than early Pokemon or any of the Mario RPGs; Or as bizarre as some of the Nintendo stuff we didn't really get, like the Tingle games or Captain Rainbow.

>>8541129
>ironic humour out of the ass
>self aware nonsense wherever you turn
>LSD visuals anytime you start a fight
>stoner humour to go with it too
>random objects as enemies (no, you're dumb lore isn't an excuse)

Only reason it gets all the praise is purely because its a dumb Nintendo game. literally any other RPG made by Nintendo is better but you will get lynched by """gaming journalists""" and """modern game developers"""" for saying it.

Fuck Earthbound.

>>8541182
So basically I need to take drugs to understand/enjoy Earthbound, got it may just pass on playing it now

>>8541182
imagine being this bitter and deluded about games ffs

>>8541182
It comes off as a parody of RPGs on its face, being about some random kids in modern day as opposed to sword and sorcery shit, and stuff like the pencil and eraser gag, but it's fandom doesn't seem to treat it that way. Its weird...

Honestly I think Secret of Evermore is the better "quirky" RPG but everyone shits on that for some reason.

>I'm a zoomer
stopped reading there

>>8541182
>ironic humour out of the ass
Such as? Irony's a pretty nebulous term ever since Alanis, so I'm not really sure what kind of stuff you're talking about.

>LSD visuals anytime you start a fight
Along with the music, that shit's one of the best parts of the game.

>stoner humour to go with it too
There's zero stoner jokes. Considering NOA was so uptight that they made them change drug store signs to just say "shop", they didn't want any of that shit slipping in.

>random objects as enemies (no, you're dumb lore isn't an excuse)
That's like hating Resident Evil because "random giant bug enemies (no, your dumb lore isn't an excuse)" It's the plot of the game. We get it, man, you don't like the game. That's cool, but don't invent and stretch for reasons to do so. Just say "It's a shitty game for literal faggots" and move on.

>Only reason it gets all the praise is purely because its a dumb Nintendo game
No, it gets so much praise because it was a tremendous flop when it came out and people want to overcompensate in a misguided attempt to make up for that, and a lot of them think knowing about it makes them part of some underground cool kids club.

>>8541305
>It comes off as a parody of RPGs on its face, being about some random kids in modern day as opposed to sword and sorcery shit, and stuff like the pencil and eraser gag, but it's fandom doesn't seem to treat it that way. Its weird...
This guy gets it. They seem to want to imprint some kind of Stand By Me feeling on that's not really there.

>Honestly I think Secret of Evermore is the better "quirky" RPG but everyone shits on that for some reason.
SOE gets too much unfair hate. I think people just assume it's shit because it was released in the west but the Japanese release was cancelled. So they look it as the red headed step child of the Mana series without ever playing it,

>>8541368
>Stand By Me
Thank you! I couldn't put my finger on it but that's exactly what it seems like people are trying to do to the game. Come to think of it, this misinterpretation actually saved Undertale I think. That game actually turned out good in my opinion because despite seemingly being inspired by Earthbound, turning out nothing like it was probably for the best.

>>8541368
>SOE gets too much unfair hate. I think people just assume it's shit because it was released in the west but the Japanese release was cancelled. So they look it as the red headed step child of the Mana series without ever playing it,
For a dev team's first outing, it's actually a great start. It's a shame Squaresoft disbanded them immediately because they could have done great work going forward.

>>8527141
not really. most (all?) endings are based on either choosing to end the game early or choosing a different final dungeon.

>>8541442
Anytime I see Earthbound fanart it always feels way too overly sentimental. I get that the characters have no overt personalities so it's easy to make them what you want, but it never matches the actual tone of the game itself.

>>8541494

Weird. Who finds THAT (I refer here to the evocatively yet unsettlingly romantic comics pictured) in EarthBound?

I am actually someone who does want a lot of deep feeling in my JRPGs, along with deep mechanics - both of which I obviously rarely get, and so I don't really play them much now that I'm an adult who can see how shallow they are - and, if anything, I was put off of EarthBound's story because it didn't have ENOUGH emotion in it. I mean I don't exactly want what this comic is expressing, this solemn, reverent celebration of the magic of youth... but yeah I want a more deeply meaningful story than EarthBound's loose collection of absurdist episodes. Basically, what I want out of this particular series is something like Mother 3, and so naturally Mother 3 ended up being my favorite Mother game by far (not that I dislike the others). I mean it's still deeply flawed, it's a JRPG after all so the mechanics especially are gonna be kinda dumb and tedious and unchallenging, but that's nothing an emulator's speedup button can't patch over. But yeah it seems like Mother 3 is the game these people should be showering praise and fanart on, not so much EarthBound.

Granted, I'm sure a fair number of them do exactly that. But EarthBound seems to be the biggest star by far in the English-speaking Mother fan community.

>>8541494
I guess it's similar to how Cloud's personality in FFVII somehow got fused with Squall's in people's minds so people tend to assume he was emo when in reality he was a giant insecure dork pretending to be badass.

>>8541037
The gameplay is fun and a nice take on turn based combat. The graphics are pretty and cool. The story is charming. I don't see anything nediocre about it. There was a lot of attention put in it.

>>8541037
You're just being a reactionary contrarion and are no different to the people acting like it's the greatest rpg ever.