/vr/ - Retro Games

I want to ditch my OSSC and get a RetroTink 5x.

>>8509210
Unplug it to make room for your copium pump because you didn't get a framemeister.

>>8509217
The RetroTink 5x is a really good device anon, especially after the Christmas update.

>>8509217
>get a RetroTink 5x
Hope you're not sensitive to lag and/or plan to play shmups. The 5x has constant (and variable!) lag and for some reason Mike Chi don't want you to have an option to toggle it off.

Wait for the OSSC Pro, PixelFX or Mike Chi hopefully deciding to stop being a faggot and patching in a no-lag mode.

I just want to play some NES what thingy do I get. I don't care about filters and shit. I am also a retard that can't do his own research, pls spoon-feed me

>>8509528
is there any documentation/reading on this? I've been interested in one

>>8509712
>Latency: ~0.25 frames in Framelock, 0.25 to 1.25 frames in Triple Buffering
I got one thinking I could just not use framelock or buffering at all since I wouldn't use it on interlaced consoles and be lag free like with all other line-doublers, but nope, either/or and always on lag.

You see, Mike and his butt-buddies is of that special segment of retrogamers that are diehard about "uhmm nuh, teh humon muyind can't detect lag mkay" and seemingly out of spite put lag in the device. It should be a red flag that they advertise with frame times and not milliseconds like is the standard, 0.25 of a 60hz frame is ~4ms sure, but it feels WAY more hands-on.

It's really sad because the shadowmasks looks really great and the audio is superb too, had they only been willing to give you the option to turn off buffering completely it would have been perfect. As it stands now, wait for the OSSC Pro and/or PixelFX to see if they offer lag-free upscaling. From what I've seen from Mike and his supporters tripling down on the "lag is not real!!!!" stance every time the question of why the fuck there is always-on lag on his linedoubler, I HIGHLY doubt this will be patched.

If you're just playing with flash carts anyways then just get a MiSTer, it won't cost you much more than getting a upscaler setup running and now that they got shadowmasks on there too it will look pretty much the same but offer actual lag-free options to use, and if your monitor is up to it be near as crisp and responsive as playing on a CRT.

>>8509860
Mike sounds like a huge faggot that doesn't even play games.

>>8509860
If you can detect 0.004s of lag you must be superhuman

>>8509953
i think the problem isn't 0.25 frames of lag, but the fact it's variable, if it can go to .25 to 1.25, there's actually a chance you can miss an input retard

>>8509969
>autism

>>8509947
>t. mike

>>8509232
>I didn't buy this rare and expensive thing that I didn't need at the time, so now I must cope
Bet you're glad that this is an anonymous message board, eh, moron?

>>8510926
framemeister is absolute shit, i sold mine 2 years ago, the color accuracy is just plain wrong and it doesn't get the aspect ratio correct either, it was great tech for its time but ossc is much better

>>8509210
>but also some PS2 (480i)
1. Put it into the trash.
2. Get a GBS-C.

I have a retrotink 5x and I'm very happy with it. Been playing Symphony of the Night on it with the 1080p over mode, looks fantastic.

>>8509953
>uhmm nuh, teh humon muyind can't detect lag mkay
Oh look, here's one of them now.

>>8509210
how are you liking it?
i have the retrotink2x pro
i would like a redundant device but want ps2 and original xbox support via component
i just dont want black screens between resolution changes or interlace artifacting

be honest anonkun
should i cop an ossc?

>>8510926
Copium withdrawal is a very serious medical condition that can lead to severe irritability as seen here.
>>8511220
The color accuracy is entirely your television and laziness since the framemeister has color settings in the unit to adjust it however you want. In fact, most people with color correction issues on their tv use the framemeister to fix it since no other unit has built in color adjustments. I've never heard of the aspect ratio issues with the framemeister before and most complaints online about improper aspect ratios are related to the ossc not outputting 8:7 for SNES. What consoles/inputs were you using that were outputing at incorrect aspect ratios.

>>8509953
Some people are more sensitive to it than others but a varying lag is different than a constant lag. A up to one frame of variability is noticeable to a not small group of people, myself included. If you think this is bullshit here is a video do a combo with 5 separate 16ms (1 frame) button windows and this a not uncommon expectation in some fighting games. With a variability in input lag that wide this combo would not be possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuFFhI57w_w

How's the OSSC for Saturn?

>>8513332
I tried using one of those FirebrandX profiles with my Saturn but when the Saturn switched resolutions the entire thing just crapped out and I couldn't get it back. That was what ruined my faith in the OSSC. While it looks very nice when properly tuned it ends up being inflexible.

>>8509210
I've never tried 480p PS2 games but I don't like how my OSSC handles 480i PS2 games at all, it's very jittery. And trying to play Chrono Cross was a nightmare

>>8513850
I don't have any problems with 480i on my PS2 through the OSSC. I find it looks pretty nice. I only use my OSSC for capture though, not for playing.

>>8513873
Here's an example.

>>8514040
I dunno that bothers me, my TEC upscaler handles PS2 much more smoothly than my OSSC. If you look closely where it says START, it's very wobbly. If you read a sign in-game I think it'll look bad too

>>8511840
>Copium withdrawal is a very serious medical condition that can lead to severe irritability as seen here
Do you usually post nonsensical retorts that don't apply to the individual you're replying to? I neither own - or need to own - any upscalers. You stupid fucking friendless faggot.

>>8513873
>>8514040
I wish I was blind, too.

>>8514797
Why are you post on /vr/ if you don't play retro games then?

>>8514962
>original hardware is the only way to play ye olde vidya; there are absolutely no viable alternatives

>>8513332
>How's the OSSC for Saturn?
Pretty shit, it can't get 1:1 pixel ratio unless you tweak the settings, and then the right size of the picture will fall off. You can get rid of the aliasing that causes by using the 3/4/5x modes, but even then the screen will look shit because so many of the best games use high resolution, and the OSSC can't deinterlace worth shit.

>>8514040
My eyes would turn into scrambled eggs if I had to watch this on a digital panel. Even on CRTs it's really painful.

>>8515026
Depends on your definition of viable is. If tinkering on a potentially game to game basis and varying amounts of lag is your definition of viable then power to you. Likewise, unless you're running that thing analog you're dealing with an upscaler.

>>8515092
>varying amounts of lag is your definition of viable
Or:
>I'm a quasi luddite diehard who sincerely believes that:
>1. no core is lag free, or even playable to a remotely satisfactory degree.
And...
>2. this device is the gaming platform that will never be updated as to suit my gaming needs/quash my unrelenting autistic screeching.

>>8515092
Actually none of what you wrote is true.

You don't have to tinker with settings on a per-game basis at all unless you're playing arcade games and then it's simply one-and-done. The games/systems don't have more lag with (pure) FPGA implementations since they simply put become the consoles system logic in realtime running all the parallel processes, in fact they can have even LESS latency than the real hardware they are simulating because they can skip the DAC process and send the raw system data digital-to-digital straight to your (down to around 1ms) display with the upscaling at the source being faster than the analog processing DACs in our 80s and 90s console.

All that said, nothing beats playing original hardware on a CRT, the dirty analog part of the experience is a huge part of it and the visuals and sounds are tailored to it, this is something FPGAs and emulators can't get right and won't probably be able to attempt properly until we get 8K MicroLED TVs.

>>8515190
I just use my mister with my PVM.

>>8511840
>The color accuracy is entirely your television and laziness since the framemeister has color settings in the unit to adjust it however you want

Ah I see you know jack shit about what you're talking about and never owned one. It's a known issue with the frame meister and the only way to get NEAR color accuracy was to use DVI mode and it was still wrong. I owned one for 4 years and replaced it with an OSSC once the OSSC was made. It was great when nothing else was available but it pales compared to what you can use now.

>>8515198
Based, but you use a composite transcoder on everything except arcade games right? RIGHT?

>>8515224
No fren, I use analog RGB out to my pvm

>>8515190
>you don't have to tinker with games unless you have to tinker with games
Likewise if you are running the MISTer digital then it runs through an upscaler and adds latency. Likewise, since you are using controllers via USB YMMV on how bad the latency is from that. None of this is framelocked so it can be variable, hence why I said "varying amounts of lag" and not "lag."
>>8515146
Imagine coming into a thread about upscalers, getting snooty at some shitposting thinking your setup puts you above it, and then getting buttblasted when I point out shortcomings with the MISTer.

>>8515210
Nigger I'm staring at mine right now. There's a billion and one user-made profiles to address whatever you could possibly need picture-wise and color settings in the fucking framemeister itself if you wanna go through manual calibration. There's also hundreds of screenshot side by side comparisons of the framemeister to every other converter out there without color issues. If your color is off it's your fault, not the framemeister. All you had to do what hit some buttons on a controller but that was too difficul

>>8515307
>actual colorblind retard nigger with buyer's remorse
cope

>>8515320
If I'm colorblind why would I have buyer's remorse?

>>8515245
>he fell for the RGB meme
And you were so close anon... But it's understandable seeing you are running a PVM. However I've never felt more like a faggot than the day I got my RGB cable and plugged it into my Genesis and CRT, The Blue Oyster Bar moment for sure. But hey, I mean, it's 2022 and there's nothing wrong with it bro.

>>8515286
>getting snooty at some shitposting thinking your setup puts you above it
Again, do you - no - WHY do you keep habitually posting nonsensical retorts that don't apply to the individual you're replying to? Are you incapable of making cogent arguments or salient points, window licker? What's next? A slew of ad hominems? Every known logical fallacy known to man? Good grief, you're (demonstrably) a pin headed bore.

>>8515286
What a fucking pinhead.
>getting snooty at some shitposting thinking your setup puts you above it
Again, do you - no - WHY do you keep habitually posting nonsensical retorts that don't apply to the individual you're replying to? Are you incapable of making cogent arguments or salient points, window licker? What's next? A slew of ad hominems? Every logical fallacy known to man? Good grief... to say that your replies unequivocally smack of desperation, are yawn inducingly dull, and that you're profoundly stupid would be an understatement.

>>8515335
i didnt fall for the meme fren, i've been doing this shit since 2010 before all the craze happened, i got my monitors on the cheap, im actually thinking of cashing out on my PVM and BVM and keeping my new old stock JVC I got for $250 8 years ago that has < 10 hours.

You also forget europe has had RGB as the standard, it's no meme and i cant really play on composite or s-video anymore, looks like shit to me.

>>8515385
You didn't address my points and have just spent the better part of half a day monitoring replies from a person you have exhaustively tried to call stupid in every way you can think of, all the while insinuating that if I resort to ad hominems I'm debasing myself. The irony here is incredibly rich and from the aroma I detect notes of cope.

>>8514040
looks fine
>>8514382
>>8515060
>>8514879
weirdos

>>8515385
>>8515561
Are you two faggots trying to out-pseud each other by unironically thinking talking like a butler from a Saturday-morning cartoon will make you sound smarter than the other retard?

>*turns out it's a samefag autistic sociopath all along*
Well, in that case you should probably just fuck off and KYS I'm afraid.

>>8515654
It's the only way I can nut

>>8514382
That's mainly because the OSSC uses bob-deinterlacing for 480i content, and it really looks bad on a monitor for static images.

>>8515696
Then may you die of cancerous dick rot, live by the sword and all that...

>>8515561
>You didn't address my points
You didn't HAVE any points, you spastic. All you've done is attribute things to me that I've neither done, said, or thought. FAGGOT. This isn't some private exchange between just the two of us; everyone else can read your spergery, you dumb fucking ape.
>>8515654
>I like to sound off from atop of my Falabella
Shut your elephant dick sucking mouth, you little bitch.

>ossc

>>8517469
If anything that picture should be the framemeister.

>>8518651
Or rather in current day the RetroTink 5x Pro.

>>8517456
Using insults to punctuate every sentence detracts from its impact and makes you sound like a child.

>>8518757
he sounds based to me, you sound like a faggot

>>8518705
I agree with this after the one with glasses splooged over the 5x in their “review” of the product.

Is there a reason these guys and others skip over the latency issue of this product?

>>8518791
MLiG has never done latency tests I've seen. RetroRGB has taken the firm stance that the latency variance in triple buffer mode for the Retrotink 5X is not detectable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwNrqIjxBaA&t=1553

Just activate scan lines and pick one of the line modes and mess with the colors and it makes stuff look good.

>>8518772
That's cool. Don't remember asking for commentary from a human mulligan but there it is.

>>8518791
I can only speculate, but it seems they are so enamored by the deinterlacing on 3D games (which only works somewhat seamless in laggy triple-buffering mode) that they are willing to compromise input latency to a frankly sever degree.

Both MLIG, RetroRGB and others not taking issue with the always on lag in non-interlaced basic line-doubler modes and not pushing Mike Chi to perhaps rectify the issue, have basically shattered their integrity and trust, rendering all their stuff just 20+ minutes of pointless marketing promotion you have to sit through while they skip crucial information that will be of great value to the viewers.

I suppose this is what happens when you turn "youtuber", you don't make videos of something you are passionate about because you like it, instead you have to churn out videos because it's how you make money and you don't want to piss off those who provide you material to make said money off. I've stop watching these "retro" influencers, I'm not there to be "influenced" so they can make money, I'm there to be informed and that you basically only can do through googeling in this instance "RetroTink 5x" + "lag" + "latency" etc, hoping you happen upon a posts that haven't been astroturfed/fanboi'ed out off existence bringing up issues that might be important for you to know about. This isn't exclusive to retro-gaming, but it's just so sad to see we've gone from a hardcore knowledge based hobby community to a influencer marketing BS driven business market like everything else these days.

Honest facts are scarce and be prepared to fight for presenting them.

>>8518818
While (justifiably!) ass-ripping other devices for less atrocious instances of lag... Keep in mind this is the Time-Sleuth lag tester guy doing a 180 performance of incredibly awkward mental-Jujutsu lol.

>>8518871
I mean the Triple Buffering is easy enough to turn off if your display doesn't care about it. They are youtubers so they are going to over-estimate the userbase saturation of capture cards which, along with instant resolution switching, is the main culprit of Triple Buffer mode by default. If you're like 98% of other people out there interested in this product that won't be using a capture card then set it and forget it to frame lock is hardly some big inconvenience for 240p and 480p games.

What is a problem however is that frame lock doesn't work for 480i with motion adaptive deinterlacing, so the only way you can play though games with not shit deinterlacing is with that lag. Don't know if that's required or not but I would honestly rather have an option to cap the latency at 1.25 frames so its not variable.

>>8518885
I've not seem him rip other devices for less lag. I think he does a disservice for not specifying the difference between latency variance and static latency but the videos I've seen he usually takes the stance that 2 frames or less is not detectable to most people though he personally feels and prefers 1 frame or less. That seems mostly agreeable to me but if he's said otherwise I'd be interested to hear it.

>>8518892
I'd honestly just rather have it work like the fucking regular line-doubler it is when you don't need interlace processing. Framelock even with "locked to 60hz" off have noticeable lag making shmups and precise platforming comparably difficult to impossible depending on the game.

Go try and 1CC 1941 on SuperGrafx and see how far you make it using the RetroTink 5x with your suggested settings, I double dear you motherfucker lol!

>>8518915
Frame Lock is adding 2ms of consistent latency. The documentation says it. Every lag test I have seen for the Retrotink 5X says it. Unless there is some botched firmware update that you or someone had it seems pretty well conclusive it's at 2ms which is not empyrically not effecting timing.

>>8518936
>Latency: ~0.25 frames in Framelock, 0.25 to 1.25 frames in Triple Buffering
That's what their documentation says and comes out to about ~4ms at 60fps, why are you so blatantly lying about this anon? How's that 1CC SuperGrafx 1941 run working out btw?

>>8518964
Frame Lock specifically works by not forcing 60fps so I'm guessing you're fabricating that 4ms figure. Likewise 4ms is not effecting your timing. It's imperceptable. Git gud.

>>8518973
https://www.retrotink.com/product-page/5x-pro
- Go to "The full specifications include:"
- Go down to "Latency:"
- >~0.25 frames in Framelock, 0.25 to 1.25 frames in Triple Buffering

In the "HDMI" menu in the 5x Pro settings, under were you chose "Triple Buffer" or "Frame Lock" there's an option to select "Lock to 60 hz" either to be "on" or "off", you'd know this if you'd actually had the device anon.

So it turns out you don't have a 5x Pro and no basis to speak on any of this, and even if, you've demonstrated a ridiculous lack of understanding of EVERY parameter at play in how ANY of this works. It's probably at this point safe to assume you're this thread's resident compulsive sociopath trying to constantly derail the discussion. I know it must have seem like a lot of work trying to parrot what must look like impenetrable "technobabble" to you, but sadly your efforts can't escape the fact you're a complete and utter fucking retard. Just fuck off back to emulating on your Wii and masturbating to defenseless pets getting murdered or whatever it is you types do.

>>8519135
And if you set it to Frame Lock it AUTOMATICALLY turns it off and cannot be turned back on, doing so puts you back in Triple Buffering. By all means though, tell me so more about an imperceptible amount of latency traveled back in time to make you the colossal fuckup you are now.

>>8515335
yeah okay amerifat, let's ignore that rgb scart has been the standard in the developed world since crt was a thing,

>>8519270
It does no such thing sociopath-kun, you'd know this if you'd try it on the 5x Pro you obviously don't have.

This is the third time now you been caught and demonstratively verified being wrong and lying, surely you must have at least a tiny sense of pride and dignity to understand it's probably a good idea to stop this embarrassing feat of making a complete and utter idiot of yourself on an anonymous platform?

>>8509210
On a similar note, would anyone here recommend an OSSC for Wii? I only say Wii because I'm not retarded enough to shell out 300 bones on GameCube meme cables when the Wii has built in backwards compatability and reasonably priced component. I wanna play my GameCube stuff on my OLED TV.

>>8519367
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6GFw-6ypLM&t=4158
From Mike himself saying it just effects triple buffer mode. Rewind the video about 2m to hear him describe what frame lock does (lets the console dictate the framerate rather than forcing 60fps). I get you have some autistic agenda here, especially with this projection about animal abuse or whatever strawman your mind has covered, but bottom line is this:
- 2.5ms is not perceptable by humans and will not effect gameplay.
- 2.5ms is not perceptable by humans and will not effect gameplay.
- Believing otherwise is cope.

>>8519367
>>8519367
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6GFw-6ypLM&t=4158
From Mike himself saying it just effects triple buffer mode. Rewind the video about 2m to hear him describe what frame lock does (lets the console dictate the framerate rather than forcing 60fps). I get you have some autistic agenda here, especially with this projection about animal abuse or whatever strawman your mind has conjured, but bottom line is this:
- 2.5ms is not perceptable by humans and will not effect gameplay.
- 4ms is not perceptable by humans and will not effect gameplay.
- Believing otherwise is cope.

>>8519448
https://castlemaniagames.com/products/prism-hd-component-cable
For analog to run in an upscaler.
https://castlemaniagames.com/products/prism
For digital to run directly into your TV.

>>8519448
I think an OSSC should be fine with the Wii? Assuming you already have some component cables lying around and want to line double it to 960p or so. I don't know if I'd recommend it just for that, hope you have some other consoles that you plan on using with it.

>>8515335
VGA uses RGB you fucking idiot

>>8518906
>>8518936
>>8519592
>it's 2ms
>heh it's only 2.5ms guys
>heh I m-m-mean 4ms guys
>uhmm ackchyually nuh, teh humon muyind can't detect lag mkay

Your basis for an argument is more variable than the lag in the RetroTink 5x Pro you don't even own ffs, you've been caught, bested and thoroughly ass-blasted at every turn, you have zero credibility and nothing to add in this matter, give it a rest mate. I suppose I could at least thank you for perfectly illustrating the type of guys that make Mike comfortable with adding lag to a fucking line-doubler and how insidiously scummy and lying they are in the defense of it. Sincerely, fuck you, you neurologically stunted semi-retarded mouth breather, you make retro gaming less fun on the whole for all of us.

As for any agenda, it should be incredibly clear by now, simply:
- Have a lag-free mode, it's a fucking line-doubler.
- That's all.

I know your web crawlers/team are picking this up Mike, just do it and your the 5x Pro will be the single greatest retro gaming implement in modern history to date.
#MikeChi
#retrotink2
#retrotink5xPro

>>8519964
That's tough luck about there being video of Mike specifically stating the opposite of what you claimed but this meltdown is embarrassing, dude.

>>8509210
Did the PS2 not support 480p?

>>8520112
Less than 200 games supported 480p IIRC, and they weren't always the ones people liked IIRC. Most of the library was 480i compared to the GC, OG Xbox, even Dreamcast.

>>8519964
based

>>8519592
>- 2.5ms is not perceptible by humans and will not effect gameplay.
>- 4ms is not perceptible by humans and will not effect gameplay.
Holy cope

>>8519612
>preorder
Also what does the prism do that the eon gchd doesn't do? I guess it's cheaper then the eon?

>>8522025
You can update the version of gcvideo on the prism via its usb-c, with all the others you need to reprogram them.
I literally ordered mine off Amazon and it was cheaper than all the alternatives

>>8522032
Ah makes sense, I already have the eon gchd so it's too late for me. It was cheaper than real component cables still. I just use it to get component to my crt.

>>8513332
Not great since Saturn games suffer from resolution switching issues

>>8520108
>Get thoroughly found out as a retard, who would rather shovel garbage in his mouth instead of expecting quality from a premium product
>"W-w-wow you're having a meltdown"
Lol would feel bad if you weren't both braindead and part of the problem.

>>8522025
Can't speak for the prism personally, but eon makes stuff with garboni internals. Based Voultar took apart their $150 "super 64" for N64 to HDMI, and just look at all that quality.

>>8524367
Isn't that more a problem for streamers and capture cards?
I have the saturn with fenrir and use it with ossc and don't really have a problem on tv. Example die hard arcade.
Any game I could test?

>>8518818
RetroRGB is now soi as well, what a simp.

>>8524842
The resolution switching is only an issue if your TV sucks, but after tweaking some settings you can get the OSSC to cause only as much dropout at resolution change as the TV causes. However if you have it set up improperly (something about the HDMI TX modes, I forgot), it might add more.
But the real issue is hi-res games which are goddamn painful to look at. Try any of the Digital Pinball games (Last Gladiators, Necronomicon), they'll legitimately hurt your eyes. This is because the OSSC does not do any deinterlacing, so you get to see all the flashing alternate lines. The most you can do is set up an alternating scanline filter that can dull the problem a bit but that's all.

Hopefully the OSSC Pro will fix that by having real deinterlacing, but it'll cost something like $400 so I'm not having my hopes up.

>>8517469
>>8518651
>>8518705
>>8518791
>>8518818
>>8518871
here you go fellas, will be picking up the new OSSC whenever that comes out personally, pretty happy with the ossc.

>>8525483
I'm with you 480i looks terrible with the ossc for the most part. But I don't have any problems with resulution switch that.
I'm tempted by the 5x just for interlaced content. But I don't like Mike so I'll wait for the pro.

>>8525483
>>8525516
on my end i dont have much an issue looking at interlaced content, i dont notice the bobbing much either i have to be very close to the monitor to notice. The dropout is my only problem with the ossc that needed correcting, the UI and way you add presets honestly doesnt bother me as much as it did at the start.

>>8525495
BASED

>>8524804
I'd ask you to say what you feel you disproved but I don't want to feed into your schizophrenia. Mike clearly states in the video that 60hz only works in triple buffer so unless you have proof otherwise it's just inane schizoid ramblings.

>>8526013
>if you set it to Frame Lock it AUTOMATICALLY turns it off
>and cannot be turned back on
>doing so puts you back in Triple Buffering
>>8519367
>*photographic evidence of everything you said was wrong and a lie*

not him but it's clear for everyone to see ur full of shit and got gloriously ass handled

>>8526076
And then I posted the video of the creator of the 5x saying that 60hz is TURNED OFF when you enabled frame lock.
>not him
Okay schizo.

>>8518791
I like the 5x but those guys are useless imo. those videos are all style over substance

>>8518757
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=swearing+is+a+sign+of+intelligence&t=palemoon&ia=web
Dine on a bag of necrotic donkey cocks, you trannoid whore son fuck wit.

>>8529145
>calling people tranny
>using trannyfox: furry fork edition

>>8529168
>I wear clothes. So do trannies. Therefore, I am a tranny
Also:
>the image in the background is something I aspire to be, but it is something that will never be realized, as the image in the mirror is what I truly am (cope!), and will always be
So easy to break morons like you down. So utterly transparent. No weighty reposte, so you immediately resort to nit-picking. Beyond pathetic.

>>8529197
>>8529168
>>8529145
youre all a bunch of faggots get off of 4chan

>>8529197
>all this reeing over a joke about xir's browser
Sasuga, tranny-kun

>>8509860
instead of hiding on 4chan why not ask him about the lag to his face? he has a discord where you can ask about new features
https://discord.com/invite/jE6deAhjCM

>>8515286
direct video doesnt add lag though.

>>8509210
Are the aliexpress osscs just as good?

>>8529551
>Sasuga, tranny-kun
Die, socially retarded weeb.
>>8529202
>youre all a bunch of faggots get off of 4chan
https://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/capital.asp
https://www.thoughtco.com/punctuation-definition-1691702
Fucking retarded FAGGOT.

>>8531961
>from what I've seen from Mike and his supporters tripling down on the "lag is not real!!!!" stance every time the question of why the fuck there is always-on lag on his linedoubler, I HIGHLY doubt this will be patched
your answer is in the post you are referring to brainlet and who says he hasn't and came here to vent about it?

>>8532128
I'll direct your video, fuckboy.

So how can you use S-video and composite on this?

>8534103
Embarrassing post

>>8531961
posting discord invites should be a bannable offense.

>>8534103
You gotta shill out another $80 to get the Koryuu transcoder
https://videogameperfection.com/products/koryuu-transcoder/

It's annoying but necessary if you want to use an OSSC with consoles that aren't modded for RGB, NES, N64, TG16, ect. At that point you may as well spend the extra $100 and get the 5x

>>8535556
>spend the extra $100 to get the 5x
>that has as much lag as emulation
at that point you might as well spend $0 and just emulate

>>8535656
lag's no biggie for me, I only use scalers for capturing footage

I'm tech-illiterate. What difference is there between devices like OSSC or Retrotink and some cheap ~$20 Component to HDMI converter off of Amazon that makes the former worth hundreds of dollars more? Is the picture really that much better?

>>8509705
What kind of tv do you have?

>>8536607
It Depends on what you want to convert.
The cheap converter are all made for Video content und cant handle 240p correctly. And in the worst case they add variable lag.

>>8535556
Can just use svideo through a scartblock?

>>8536974
*t

>>8536974
Per OSSC info page:
>AV1 (RGB-SCART)
This input supports video in RGBS, RGsB (sync on green) and YPbPr formats. Composite video, luma or composite sync can be used as a sync source in RGBS mode.
https://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/OSSC#AV1_.28RGB-SCART.29
So no, a scartblock won't work. You need additional circuitry to convert composite/s-video to RGB/component before the OSSC accepts it. Most people who want to do this will buy the Koryuu transcoder

>>8509210
Bro return that shiiit, I love the OSSC but the Pixel Morph and OSSC Pro are right around the corner! As someone else already said, avoid Retrotink like the plague.

What's the best one of these for displaying on a 4k screen? Like how sharp would the output be with say the retrotink 5x compared to an integer scaled emulator on a 4k PC?

>spend hundreds of dollars to get worse picture quality than you could get out of a free CRT you pick up off the curb

>>8539309
Best and sharpest? 5x or emulator?
That would be the MiSTer then, costs the same as the 5x, has the least lag and infinitely more filters than the 5x.

>>8539309
doesn't matter as all of them output max out at 1080p

>>8540348
Not true it can output 5x 240

>>8540385
It can output higher than 5x. I believe it goes all the way up to 8x.

>>8540419
I have my ossc here you can only go up to 5 x and only on 240p content. 480p for example only goes to 2x.
I think the retrotink 5x can do 6x on 240p.

>>8540427
Sorry I should have specified the Retrotink 5X.

>>8509860
>From what I've seen from Mike and his supporters tripling down on the "lag is not real!!!!" stance every time the question of why the fuck there is always-on lag on his linedoubler, I HIGHLY doubt this will be patched.
It's this and the "buying a $300 niche specialty device JUST to use composite on it" attitude that really turns me off his products. I trust that Dan "our boy" Kunz will deliver with the Morph. I expect the OSSC Pro to be even more autism fiddling with settings in cumbersome menus though.

>>8540767
Thats what I hope for with the Pro.
I need my authism satisfied, with lots of settings.

>>8540767
Yeah when these "lag is unimportant" faggots keep pushing their ignorance into de-evolving already lag free solutions, charging $300 and being shady and aggressive when confronted about it, it has taken this retardation too far.

The PixelFX looks to be the most cutting edge yet, only thing that might be a little bit of a turnoff is the two piece connection setup but for me it would just take the spot for my Gcomp so no big deal, I will need to see a POPPER latency test with using composite though before I'll buy anything anywhere again.

The OSSC Pro has just had a info-dump but looks like composite is an afterthought and not going to be available at first, they said they would however patch in composite encoding via the component RCAs at a later point but this was with using software encoding so I'm VERY concerned about it not being lag free.

Time will tell, until then I'll stick with CRTs and a shadowmasked MiSTer on the big flat-screens, my 5x might get some use as a (non-ATB) JRPG box only at this point.

>>8536607
It will look all blurry and shitty and not have as good image quality and colors as the ossc. The ossc created better depth and detail.

>>8541212