/vr/ - Retro Games

lookin good

boomers actually like this. it's the millennials being too purists

I'll admit when I was young, I enabled this option for every game I emulated. Now I question why the fuck I thought that was a good idea

>>8504456
Boomer is memespeak for millennial.

>>8504475
>Ah yes, just how I remember it.

>>8504487
STOP

>>8504382
>>8504487
just as the devs intended

>>8504382
Those filters are actually genius because they replicate what we actually saw those games as kids. Like >>8504487, who didn't see MMX as an action cartoon?

>>8504496
But it doesnt look like that, it just looks like someone smeared vaseline all over the game

>>8504496
>replicate what we actually saw those games as kids
maybe if you are retarded

>>8504382
You're right, I fear it. Take it away.

>>8504382
I fear nothing!!
It looks bad

>>8504487
aw yeah, look at all that round wiggly machinery.

>>8504398

>>8504579
Is there a webm of DKC with this filter? I've always wondered how it looks in motion.

>>8504583
I don't have one, but it would be easy enough to set your emulator to SUPER EAGLE X3 or whatever.

>>8504583
Ah yes, let us stroll down memory lane together.

*sips* ah... just like I remembered it...

>>8504623
dangerous amounts of sovl

>>8504624
really takes me back...

>>8504624
W E L C O M E T O M A R I O K A R T

>>8504494
Yep, devs definitely wouldn’t have used more powerful hardware with higher resolution spritework if available at the time. They liked limiting themselves and their creations for the sake of artistic integrity. That’s why they never moved on to developing for newer hardware when it was available.

>>8504624
this is how I saw it as a kid, finally the devs' true vision has been realized

*starts shitting, pissing and cumming everywhere*

real crt feels

>>8504496
Anon, these filters dont replicate that look. Like at all.

>>8505078

>>8505118
perfect

>>8504474
>memespeak
Hang all redditors

>>8504382
After many years being interested in filters for SNES, it's become apparent to me that its resolution is simply too low to support this treatment.

For me, it’s Super Eagle

>>8504487
I can't believe those kinda filters are on by default on the Megaman X collections

It... sort of works for Yoshi's Island?

>>8505216
I actually think it fits this particular example. it's works for when you have cartoon graphics with limited shades. it doesnt work well for DKC, because DKC is meant to look like 3D. for DKC, I'd pick something that creates smooth gradients. what would that be?

>>8505460
>It... sort of works for Yoshi's Island?
No. Absolutely not.

>>8505471
A CRT shader. I've seen nothing else come close to making that look decent.

Very ironic thread but EPBX = nearest > scale2x > HQ2x > the rest

>boomer
Boomers don't play videogames, kids. Boomers were born in the 40s and 50s.
>smoothing filter
You mean "looks like fucking garbage" filter. Games don't need to look "good" (this doesn't, but even if you think it does) to be good, stop fucking over games and JUST PLAY THE FUCKING THINGS.

>>8505520
>Games don't need to look "good" (this doesn't, but even if you think it does) to be good
no one plays space invaders anymore grandma

>>8505520
shut up boomer

>>8505476
Yes. Certainly yes.

>>8504382

>make it look horrible
>"It's good because someone else says it's bad!"
Not very surprising, considering what website we're on.

>>8505504
EPBX looks terrible here though. Look at the text. It's Nearest > who gives a fuck the rest are all complete dogshit

>>8505547
This. Let's Plays are way better than wasting time playing games made for grampas. Also way funnier.

>>8505736
>watching a video of somebody talking over a video game

4xBRZ looks rather nice in some contexts.
Look at the definition on the crab's claws and eyes, the Sprite's dumplings, the weapons. The edges of the leaves stand out crisply over the backdrop. The numbers on the hud don't quite fare as well, but the characters and scenery look great.

>>8504382
I've been playing like that on ZSNES for almost 20 years
Works well for cartoony games with broad outlines like Mario World
Sometimes it's good to vary the looks of the game so each time I play I change some settings to feel more fresh.

>>8504475
>>8504579
>>8505142
>>8505641
Do giant blocky squares really look better when expanded that much?

>>8504487
Imagine making shrieking about how other people play video games your crusade in life instead of kissing girls or something.

>>8506825
Yes. Only some autist gets upset over grid based imagery.

>>8506825
it's fine if you're playing on a smaller screen

>here's your shader bro

>>8509064
>I can't formulate a rational argument so I'll just strawman extreme examples

>>8509097
m8 no one's arguing shit, it's just a funny screenshot I found. Go outside.

>>8509103
But you are arguing. Your argument is "shaders are bad because look at this bad shader". Don't try to act like we were all born on 4chan yesterday, this is how snide contemptuous people choose to project their opinions.

>>8509106
kek ok buddy, not my intention at all since I use shaders all the goddamn time, but you keep projecting.

>>8509109
>desperately needs to insert a reaction image into every post to project the idea that he's not a complete mess obsessing over other people playing video games
Predictable.

>>8509114
Oh yeah? Well, you're waifu a shit.

>>8504464
why not? everyone would have loved to have that in the 90s. purists are dumb except when it's high art and there's an actual reason not to modify it

>>8509064
makes me want to replay ff7 like this

>>8504579
l o o k i n g o o d

>>8505113
not gonna lie that looks really neat

I'd say this is some dedicated trolling but it is really hard to say because this site is infested with third worlders who actually have no taste.

Why is it so fucking hard to get it right? its 2022 for gods sake, our gpus and cpus extremely powerful. Just fucking emulate the tv screen and itself.

>>8509134
amazing

>>8509252
Most people are still on 1080p SDR monitors, and that's just not enough to work with to truly capture how a CRT behaves and looks. Even 4K arguably is not enough, at least for slot mask TVs. All you can get are varying degrees of approximation and compromise.

Some dudes are claiming a 4K HDR TV can get pretty close to emulating a Trinitron, though.

>>8505460
This is the best thing that can be said about it.

>>8505138
What the fuck else do you want to call it? The point is the term "boomer" has been co-opted by underage shitposters as a forced meme and has meant absolutely nothing in relation to actual baby boomers for the past few years.

>>8506781
Holy shit, this actually looks nice.

>>8505526
Some enhancements work well. Uprezzing 3D games, for example. Eliminating wobble in PS1. I would even say textures and sprites look alright with 6xBRZ in 5th gen and later.

But SNES filters look bad. There isn't enough source data for AI smoothing.

>>8507537
No, only autists get upset over smoothing. No one is getting upset at pixelated. Normal people just go with their preferences and some prefer filtered, to great seething and teeth grinding of the mentally ill.

>>8507657
Yes, both are fine. And that's why these memes zoom in so much, to create a false impression. My point is not that pixelated is inferior, but that it's not the only way.

>>8509380
>No, only autists get upset over smoothing.
Because it's done WRONG. There's proper ways to smooth instead of doing it the literal smoothbrain way you thing looks good.

All upscaling algorithms feel like they were designed for Super Mario World and nothing else. They assume a "naive" approach to pixel art in which each pixel is either part of a line, part of a curve or part of a region of flat color, and that each pixel in the input neatly matches to a pixel in the output. They can't handle dithering and small-scale detail and they especially can't handle the "half pixel" technique Japanese console games used.

Worse is that they only correctly resolve a shape 70-90% of the time. It's better for an image to look consistently low-res than inconsistently high-res.

All upscaling algorithms feel like they were designed for Super Mario World and nothing else. They assume a "naive" approach to pixel art in which each pixel is either part of a line, part of a curve or part of a region of flat color, and that each pixel in the input neatly matches to a pixel in the output. They can't handle dithering and small-scale detail and they especially can't handle the "half pixel" technique Japanese console games used.

Worse is that they only correctly resolve a shape 70-90% of the time. It's better for an image to look consistently low-res than inconsistently high-res.

They can and should do better. Retro gamers treat CRTs like a magic black box; nobody ever asks why it makes pixel art look better and "because they were designed for it" isn't a satisfying answer, especially when CRT filters get used for LCD games.Neither is "because it lets your eyes fill in the blanks", because a simple Gaussian blur could do the same thing. It should be possible to isolate each element of the CRT "look", determine how and why it contributes to the final image, and re-implement them in a way that surpasses a CRT.