/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8485794
You're supposed to emulate a 486 that's emulating NESticle. Duh.

>>8485794
Emulating a game in the retro gaming hobby is the same as RV camping for campers. Sure, it's easier, and a lot of people (maybe even most people) will get more enjoyment out of it, but it isn't a pure expression of the hobby.
People who mod old consoles don't do it because they want to play old games on a modern display, they do it because they want to play old games on an old console on a modern display. Why? Because it's cool, and part of the fun.

>>8485802
YO DAWG, I heard you like emulators.
So I put an emulator in your emulator so you can emulate while you emulate.

>>8485794
Honestly I don't know anyone who's "anti-emulator". But I know a lot of people are sick of poorfag cope shitting up the board.

>>8485794
I hate people who refuse to download games due to the shitty so called fact that it's illegal and when they warn people about it. Those people need to fuck off. I'm not going to spend almost a thousand bucks on a game that has not been legally re-released yet

>>8485794
I like to put the cartridge or the disc in the plastic thing when I can. I picked up a "cheap" upscaler ($80) because my friends like it when I bring retro games over and they don't all have CRTs

>>8485878
noooo, you're not supposed to emulate games!!!!!
what would happen to muh expensive coomlections if you emulate??!!?

>>8485819

> they want to play old games on an old console on a modern display

This is what I don't get, though.

It's like putting your favourite vinyl record on a vintage turntable, through a tube powered analogue amplifier, only to play it through a bluetooth speaker.

Why bother? May as well just play an MP3 in the first place.

>>8485794
im not against anyone emulating but im against being told people saying in general to emulate rather than use real hardware just because it's a boring way to experience a game. N64 games in particular look awful in OpenGL and look leagues better through an AV cable and original rendering on an actual 64, especially with a CRT. USB controllers etc. are bland to use with emulation and have issues like annoying deadzone configuration that gets really frustrating (Compare doing the target shooting minigame in OOT on N64 with an OEM joystick versus almost any controller on PC in PJ64, it just sucks to do in emu especially using default settings.)
Also I hate the temptation to save-state or rewind, and playing on PC tends to be distracting as I feel like alt-tabbing when I get a message on one of the zillions of platforms my zoomer ass is on. I used to disagree with AVGN when I was younger but at this point the "keyboard is work, controller is play" thing I've come to agree with, although for different reasons since I like wasd controls for PC games, rather it's just cumbersome to try and combine the two worlds of PC and console.
/autism

>>8485913
You will absolutely hate reading what I am about to type, but I actually prefer how a console over s-video or composite looks through an upscaler to an emulator on the same display, even with ntsc or scanline filters. Certainly not the reason I bought an upscaler though

>>8485794
1) To some people playing on original hardware is the entire point. Using cartridges with the original controllers on the original system is more fun than the game by itself.
2) They're frustrated that their hobby is becoming filled with people who don't appreciate the origins of these games. They're too young to have had the consoles back when they were relevant and actively mock the idea of using them anymore.
3) Maybe they tried using emulators once and got burned. Their favorite games glitched out and they couldn't get it to work right so they said "fuck it" and buying the game was easier for them. Sometimes I forget that not everyone spent their teenage years figuring this shit out.
4) Pure elitism. I have this thing and you don't neener neener neener.

>>8485914

lol nah, N64 games look like shit no matter how you try to play them Anon. Even a CRT can't help when the console put a fucking nasty bilinear filter on fucking everything natively, and only had composite out.

I mean. Seriously. Fucking composite. It looks like trash now, and it looked like trash then. There's a reason there was always a big after-market for fancy component cables with audio taps and shit. People actually wanted good picture quality, nobody liked putting up with composite if they could help it.

I hate all the "muh zoomers" shit but honestly I think one of the easiest ways to spot is when they fall for the composite meme.

>>8485926
You can use s-video with an N64. Still doesn't do much about the baked-in filtering but it looks a little nicer

>>8485853
This

>>8485923
I think the original hardware people often don't appreciate the origins of games either. If you're going to choose to play Street Fighter 2 on the SNES, rather than an arcade perfect port, you're not playing that game the way it was intended, by any means.

>>8485917

Well, whatever strokes your goat, Anon. For me it just seems kind of counterproductive.

It depends on your experience I guess; personally back in the day (I was only a tween in the late 90s, but still, you used what you could get your hands on, you pestered your parents into buying shit, etc) the ultimate goal was always achieving the best, most "perfect" possible picture quality. The nature of analogue signal paths was always an obstacle to that- Anything that supported RGB was always preferable, and whenever I could I would be playing on "the good TV" in the living room instead of my own shitty hand-me-down TV in my bedroom. I would spend hours adjusting the picture settings to try and make everything look as pristine as possible, dialling in the right EQ on the stereo, etc. So to me, the 1:1 pixel perfect output you get from an emulator is the logical conclusion of that quest.

In the case of some systems where emulation is still dogshit even in 2022, I can understand, sure. But in most cases if you're going to be using a modern HD flat panel, there's no benefit as far as I can see.

>>8485939
b-b-but they also released it on snes...

>>8485939
>the devs who ported it to the SNES never intended for it to be played on the SNES

>>8485794
I don't care either way. If you have enough money and space for an old-school setup - go for it. If you don't - emulate. The important thing is gaming itself, everything else is secondary.

>>8485957
>It depends on your experience I guess
Certainly, yeah. I was only alive for five years in the nineties, so I spent most of my childhood playing games on a small CRT with composite and moved up to a 1080p LCD around age 17 or so. I have since handed that TV off to my younger brother, and I honestly wouldn't have bothered to buy an upscaler in the first place if I had realized that the 4K TV I bought last year doesn't have component, composite or S-video inputs for the consoles and games I already own. It has a 3.5mm jack that an RCA splitter can plug into and anything I feed into that is, no exaggeration, unplayably laggy and muddy looking.

Plus, I'm young enough that the fourth and fifth, to an extent (mostly just Saturn; I had a PS1 growing up and played N64 elsewhere), generations of consoles still hold a lot of novelty for me. I've stuck to collecting Japanese stuff from those generations so it has thankfully been pretty affordable so far. I like boxes, manuals and jewel cases nearly as much as the games themselves.

tfw use flashcarts, odes, real consoles and composite on a crt

>>8486058
Based

>>8485939
dont be retarded. we arnt talking something like arcade emulation here on console. thats like saying people shouldnt play contra on nes cause its just a downgraded arcade version

>>8485794
>destroying old consoles
This is the worst part.
They supposedly love original hardware but will butcher smd chips for marginal image improvements.

>>8485794
I just wish there were more 4:3 display options, I never see them and I'd invest in a quality 4:3 screen for retro games

>>8485926
>Hates being called a zoomer
>Composite is a meme
This is why you keep being called out for being a zoomer. Literally everyone played via coax screwed into the back of their tv up through gen 4 and composite with gen 5 and 6 consoles because that's what came in the box. Fucking retarded zoomer faggot

>>8486123
I used composite with my SNES, retard

>>8485913
Adding on to your analogy, upscalerfags are like the audiophiles of the vidya world but even more ass backwards somehow.

>>8486123

>n-n-no y-you.... ;_;

It's okay kid. What are you going to do next, "muh reddit spacing"?

>>8486123
>he never bought an aftermarket cable
>he suffered with RF and composite just because it came in the box

It's not our fault you were a retard, anon.

>>8486123
The NES had a composite port. Composite cables were common during 4th gen. People used RF when that's all their TV had.

>>8486123
>bitches about le zoomers when his immediate vocabulary revolves around wojakfag lingo
Embarassing.

Most of it is just typical 4chan tryhardisms

Emulators are imperfect but mostly fine. But there's a lot of shit that runs like oatmeal or doesn't run at all. Or in the case of n64 it runs fine at first glance but then there will be several broken effects and characters with missing heads. Don't let anybody tell you N64 emulation is just fine. Those people have obviously not played anything but Mario 64 and maybe like two or three other popular first party titles.

For these reasons I have an N64 and a CRT but I also have retroarch on my PC with every core under the sun. At least I can still make the picture look like a CRT. And save states are pretty nice for those games with quarter munching mechanics as a holdover from the arcade era.... also arcade era games in general being possible at all to play.

>>8485794
Latency

>>8486183
With Runahead you literally have less latency than that built-in into the actual systems. Emulationchads we just can't stop winning

>>8485802
>>8485829
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGkZf6n_VXM

>>8485914
You know there's plugins now that emulate exactly how the real N64 renders video, right?

>>8486229
>Nesticle DOS
Can it run in Dosbox?

People don't like that it's free.
There's an inherent belief that anything requiring less investment, be that either money, time, or effort, is worth less as a result. It's the same reason people think hand washing dishes is better than using a dishwasher, despite that being untrue for several reasons.

You spent $300 on a high-end CRT monitor, $150 modding your NES to output an RGB signal, and $1,500 for an authentic copy of Little Samson or $80 for a flashcart because it's "authentic enough".
I spent 5 minutes downloading a 1:1 copy of the cartridge's software and an emulator to play it on a PC I already have and use for everything else.
I put far less time, effort, and money into the process, but at the end of the day we both played the same game.
That bothers people.

>>8486247
You need money to buy a PC.

>>8486157
>Or in the case of n64 it runs fine at first glance but then there will be several broken effects and characters with missing heads.
>Don't let anybody tell you N64 emulation is just fine. Those people have obviously not played anything but Mario 64 and maybe like two or three other popular first party titles.

Anon, it's not 2005 anymore. So long as you're using a good plugin setup, literally the only issues remaining with N64 games these days are mostly minor timing issues on a handful of games.

>>8486252
Do you not already have a PC? How are you posting here from a modded NES?

>>8486238
That IS in DOSBox, anon.

>>8486262
I thought it's in PCem.

>>8485794
>modding consoles for improvements or repair
>destroying
lol faggot just admit light repair work and the possibility of hardware going bad spooks you out of having real consoles around

>>8485914
N64 games look pretty great at 6-8x internal res with 8-16x MSAA, dunno what you’re talking about. But yeah, of course it’ll look more “authentic” on OG hardware on an actual CRT

>>8485914
>because it's a boring way to experience a game
YEAH I DONT KNOW MAN I DIDNT FEEL VERY BORED PLAYING ALIEN SOLDIER ON GENESIS PLUS GX ACTUALLY MY HEART KINDA 68000 ON FIRE RIGHT NOW

>>8486438
The biggest issue with upscaling N64 games is usually the low-res textures and HUDs. These could theoretically be fixed with hi-res texture packs, but the vast majority of them are try-hard endeavors that completely miss the mark and ruin the art direction. Of all the mods I've seen, I have only come across one for MM that actually tries to look like the original game.

>>8486480
That is, the issue is you end up with crisp, smooth hi-res anti-aliased polygons harshly clashing with low-res, blurry textures and 2D HUD elements.

>>8486480
>>8486482
I like the filtered low res textures on upscaled N64 games as well as games like Half Life 1, I grew up with that aesthetic. Putting 4K textures on a 250 triangle model is dumb and way more jarring in my opinion.

>>8486487
I suppose it comes down to the fact that even for early textured 3D, N64 textures were particularly low-res, and rendering in HD really exposes that fact. And yeah, I agree that super hi-res textures on top of low-poly models sucks. I still feel there might be a middle ground there that could work, but nobody seems to want to hit.

>>8485878
This. Back when the wii came out I was waiting for them to port a bunch of the good N64 games over to it on the wii store or whatever it was. They never did and now the wii store has been shut down anyways.

Just download and emulate games, companies are lazy and terrible and the games you love will never get legally rereleased anyways because whoever currently owns the rights is desperately clinging to them and no one gets to have their precious game.

>>8486229
Why such an old version? At least use x.xx.

Sega themselves are destroying Game Gears with their shitty capacitors. Me replacing them and bringing the console back to life is more of a service than anything.
Also console modding is part of the hobby, we do it because it in itself is as much fun as playing games on the console. You probably don’t understand because you can’t solder yourself. It’s easy to learn and fun, give it a shot.

>>8485913
Because the gameboy screen is abosulte dog shit. And Blu tooth speaker is a downgrade, A back lit screen is a upgrade. Big difference

>>8486914

AGS-101 or a modded DS are the best way to play Gameboy games. Backlit while still retaining the original feel.

IPS a shit.

>>8485794
I'm not anti-emulator, but I prefer flashcarts that run on actual hardware I can get for cheap at my local retro gaming store. Plus it's easier to explain the controls to my friends who don't use emulators as often.

>>8485794
It's not like you can simply hook up a CRT to your PC and emulate while outputting real 240p.

>>8487249
>can
can't*

I will use real hardware for games that don't emulate well and/or that I already have the real hardware for that's better on the real hardware and emulators for everything else

Like fuck am I picking up a Sega Saturn to play the 2 games I'm interested in, I'm emulating that shit on the incredibly powerful pc I already have, i don't care if I'm missing out on 1% of the experience because the emulator doesn't correctly represent some z fighting on pixels that are visible for 4 frames in panzer dragoon or whatever

Similarly if Emulation is a flat out better experience than using the real hardware I'm using it, I have a PSX and a CRT, I had one back when the PSX was new as well, I'm still going to use duckstation, because its far nicer, I can use my PC audio setup, and I don't have to deal with the PSX choking on a million dicks trying to render MOH:Underground or the CRT blurring the stars into white streaks in Colony Wars.

Playing on the real hardware is cool and all but ultimately 90% of the time its being done for some audiophile tier vinyl like cope reason and 10% of the time for actual compatibility/quality purposes

>>8487249

Someone really, genuinely, desperately needs to release an actual commercial product to do this, rather than people having to hack their own DP>VGA>SCART cable abominations together.

>>8487328
I don't get your point, a DP to VGA adapter and a cable that hooks that up to a TV, like VGA to SCART cable is all you need, what you want already exists as a commercial product.
What would your imaginary product be? Just someone who buys the DP to VGA adapter and screws the VGA connector of the VGA to SCART cable into the DP adapter so it's in one piece when you already buy it, like a long cable? Then sells it to you as a profit?

It's literally two products that can be had for 40 bucks together new and that's all you need.

>>8487361
>Just someone who buys the DP to VGA adapter and screws the VGA connector of the VGA to SCART cable into the DP adapter so it's in one piece when you already buy it, like a long cable? Then sells it to you as a profit?
That's a good idea.
I can just bulk buy the DP adapter and cheap pre-made SCART cables from China that are even cheaper than sourcing the cable+connector itself. Then take the DP adapter out it's case, cut the SCART cable in half and solder it directly to the DP adapters. Afterwards print a case for it with my 3D printer.
One cable + 2 prints + 2 DP adapters could yield me two DP to SCART adapters, I think I can get the price with filament, cable and bulk buying the DP adapter down to around 23 eur per adapter, then sell it for like 50 eur or depending on demand, maybe more. Thanks anon.

>>8486247
I got a very nice crt with component and s video for 20 bucks looking on facebook marketplace but nice meme.

>>8486247
I'm not saying retards like that don't exist but my consoles and CRTs were all free, even the games mostly are or bought when you could get any game for 5 bucks.

>>8487394
I think anon means things like PVMs, you invest more, you think it's better, even when untrue.
That explains why people buy PVMs and RGB mod, even though composite on a concumer TV looks far better for 80's and early 90's consoles.

>>8485794
I never got the point in modding or upscalers for OG hardware on flat panels either. Cool you got emulator tier output with shading nowhere near Retroarch tier and none of the convenience of said emulators. Get a CRT or don't fucking bother, tards.

>>8486247
Show me a goddamn dishwasher priced for commoners that'll get rid of food practically fused to a plate without some manual attention.

>>8487438
I have one of the 3/4th of normal sized ones and it cost me like 270€, works perfectly fine, specially considering I never pre-clean the plates/dishes and sometimes they are several days old just laying on the desk before I throw them into the washer and wash them. I think you're doing something wrong.
I think people use fast cleaning modes or something that complain about it, since the 3 hour wash gets anything clean, even oven pans full of thick and burned oil from meat, etc, that you'd have to scrub hard to get out manually. Are you sure you're using the right dishwasher pellets?

>>8487232
The 101 is still a shit screen it's just better than the advance

>>8485802
>You're supposed to emulate a 486 that's emulating NESticle.
And play the 1337-sp34k translation hacks from Emucult.

>>8486247
Washing dishes by hand is better than using a dishwasher.

>>8487328
VGA to component transcoder (~50) + $20 AMD graphics card. CRTemudriver. That's the murrican/component TV solution anyway. Composite ones exist too if that's how you wanna fly.

>>8485853
I know, at least, a couple of anti-emulation people. I was even amused by one of them, years ago, because he was having a mental breakdown: badly wanted a NES-mini and a SNES-mini, but wasn't sure to buy them because he didn't know if it was "right" (his own words).

I think the rule of thumb should be to not care. If you like original hardware, stick to them and shut up. If you like emulators, stick to them and shut up. Problem solved for everyone.

>>8487459
Not them, but it's only shit if you have something better on hand. I have one and it's really not that bad.
If you lay the screen flat and point it ahead of you it also serves as a good flashlight for late night trips to the kitchen or bathroom too, funnily enough.

>>8487458
I'm sure mine just blows and I'm sure most cheap ones blow. NMP though. Apartment. I'll cross that bridge when I give up pod life.

>>8487479
That's pretty funny. I forget that these people have to exist outside of the internet, too

>>8487480
oh, I was thinking of the frontlit AGS-001 when I wrote this. the backlit one is even better

>>8487474
Why the AMD graphics card? Why not just DP2VGA adapter and hook the component transcoder up to that?

>>8487485
I'm starting to think the internet shaped them. Somehow, they bring online stuff to the real world and worry too much. Unlike real interactions, the internet makes it easier to lie and to pretend, while obscuring intentions, mood and earnesty of a speaker. People start to misunderstand and get crazy.

Real interactions are fucked up too, it's just more viable to set things straight with them though.

>>8487483
That's why I have the smaller slim one, small apartment, still enough to fit one persons week of dishes and clean them well.
I don't know the model exactly but it's from Hanseatic.

>>8487515
Conversion lag. Not outputting 240p straight from the GPU. I'm sure you're not getting an ideal picture/latency. Getting 240p straight out of the card is not trivial on anything but Windows/AMD. Maybe you worked something out but idk. AMD card + emudriver + transcoder has always made the most sense to me on 15khz setups. Never seen a SCART TV in my life.

>>8487531
But you don't need a old AMD GPU for that and it works also on Windows.

I specifically mean this:
>>8475047
>>8483876

>>8487531
DACs don't add any latency though, there's no framebuffer, they simply turn the digital signal into analog on the fly, just like VGA output on old graphics cards

>>8487556
Looks like it'd work. What I've always gathered about converters and adapters of this kind is that they are laggier than transcoders. Maybe not. Neat though.

>>8487563
I'll consider it next time I build for emu-CRT stuff anyway. Already got what I got. One other nice thing about emudriver and emulators that support it is switchres that flips to whatever you need on the fly. MAME and RA do this.

>>8487576
>>8487586
Yeah you don't have to worry about that, there's no latency (technically there is, but it's literally one SCANLINE, not even frame or ms) and you can still copy over all the modes from crt_emudriver (I think it was just generate modes and install, but without actually installing the AMD GPU driver) and MAME and RA can still adjust on the fly.

>>8487556
>and it works also on Windows.
on Linux* too not just only Windows

>>8486880
The joke is to use an old version for the worst emulation possible.

>>8487603
Cool. I'll fuck with it one'a these days. Always good to know another way, especially one more compatible with newer hardware and drivers and not just ayyymd.

>>8485794
I think it's still cheaper to buy a console than to buy a computer that can emulate it, for anything after the Dreamcast. Everything before that though, emulation is the way.

>>8487775
The vast majority of /vr/ (Xbox aside) can be emulated at native res on any computer bought in the last 8 years. Even on integrated shit. PCSX2's soft renderer is pretty fast, honestly. My 2nd gen i5 Chinkpad runs it fine for most games.

I don't really care. If you want to ruin your gameplay experience that was intended by using save states, cheats and 3rd-party high resolution textures, that's your problem.

>>8487775
I already have a beefy PC for work and /v/.

>>8487821
>sing save states, cheats and 3rd-party high resolution textures, that's your problem.
Are you projecting? I emulate and I never use those. USB edition of the controller for the system I emulate + real CRT only. Emulation is just cheaper, quicker and more reliable, easy to switch games without any systems being set up or media filling boxes.

>>8487829
>I emulate and I never use those.
Me neither. I see too often others do, especially kids.

>>8487516
That is entirely what's going on there, yeah. It's all too easy for people to blur the line between online and irl now that everybody and their dog has a smartphone on their person.

>>8487874
I wish I had a friend like you, anon. But that's life.

>>8487438
>>8487483
My $400 Whirlpool does this. Gets rid of eggs that have been stuck on for over a day. Part of the equation is not using shitty soap, making sure to use hot water for the pre wash, and putting a bit of soap in for the pre wash. The 3 hour cycle will get anything clean, but I have had good luck with even the 1 hour cycle.

Be thankful you even have a dishwasher in your concrete box. When I was doing pod living I just had a sink. The fact that almost 50% of households in America still don’t have a dishwasher just boggles my mind. I can’t believe people put up with hand washing.

>>8487908
Believe it, anon. The world isn't as rich as you think. The things you take for granted as "anyone could buy that" are luxury in many parts of the world.

>>8486136
>>8486142
>>8486147
>>8486150
>>8486151
So many assblasted zoomies itt. Gen 4 games were DESIGNED with coax in mind and certain effects don't display properly with composite. Cope

>>8487908
I have a dishwasher in my apartment and it sucks at its job so much that I just hand wash everything. I live alone so it's not like I have loads of dishes to wash

>>8487361
People have made piles of money doing exactly this kind of thing throughout history: >>8487378

>>8488896
I'm fairly certain this is where all these "dishwashers are shit" opinions come from. Never had any problems with dishes coming out unclean until the one in my current (rental) apartment, a barely functional model purchased by a stingy landlord. Luckily I'm moving out in February.

>>8485923
Tried the angrylion plugin for the n64 emulator, worked ok for a bit but goldeneye had major issues so I dropped it.

>>8485962
not really, no.

>>8488314
like what?

>>8488984
What happened with Goldeneye?

>>8485914
>tfw not64 chad getting glorious 240p on a trinitron through the Wii
wish compatibility were better though

>>8489024

>>8489564
Have you been confusing composite with component this whole time?

>>8489574
You clearly don't understand the difference between COMPONENT and COAXIAL. Stupid furfag zoom zoom

>>8489642
*COMPOSITE and COAXIAL

>>8489648
It's been over 15 years since I've used RF so maybe I don't honestly. I remember it being similar to composite but more prone to static interference.
However the sonic waterfalls are a well known composite effect so you haven't proven anything.

>>8489564
>>8489642
>>8489648
Utterly embarrassing posts

>>8489642
>>8489648
>Coaxial
it's actually called RF
coax is a description of the cable itself and the connector is type f.

>>8489642
I use coaxial for BNC RGBS. So yeah.
Next time use the proper terms.

Ah yes.

600 TVL 14" slot mask CRT hooked up over RGB. Perfection.

>>8489665
The waterfalls don't have a transparency effect using composite cables. Maybe it's my tv, but just looks like vertical blue lines

>>8490505
Based

>>8490567
They do for me. Are you using a CRT?

>>8485794
Not only i play all my games emulated, i play them on my phone.

they are in higher visual fidelity, can use savestate whenever i like, and most importantly i dont have to deal with retard cartridge prices.

and you cant do anything about it.

>>8490740
just do both faggot,emulate and collect stuff also,just pick up bargains on and offline and buy broken stuff and fix it and then flog it all down the line to some boomer who wants to relive his old days

>>8485794
i think people complain about the emulation bugs and the fact that its not the same as a CRT.
both of which can be solved with more accurate emulators and a CRT.

>>8490740
>and you cant do anything about it.

But I can and I'm already doing something, just because you teased me. You'll be surprised, expect problems in your emulation pretty soon.

>>8490747
nah i dont have money to spend on software, let alone games

>>8490852
"something"
crying in a corner wont worsen my emulation performance, faggot

I am an actual retard who bought a mister fpga.

If there is something that can emulate perfectly the n64 and gamecube/wii without loading shaders, without input lag, and can map the controls perfectly (looking at you n64 joystick), I will burn my n64 and never look back

I dont know where to post this and i dont want to make a thread just for it

Does anyone know a decent but cheap way to capture console signals to play them directly on the PC? Also to record and stream and stuff.

>>8490895
>"something"
>crying in a corner wont worsen my emulation performance, faggot

I'm so MAD, I can't even tyep rihgt! You may have won today, but I'll be back with so much seething that all your emulators will fall apart along with your cellphone, emitting radiation and giving you emucancer. Then I'll track the hospital where you'll be spending your last days and mock you: "boohoo! Look who's crying now! It's you, not me. I told you, I told you at 4chan, remember? It's all deja vu now, because it was all foretold, you can't even tell past and present apart anymore, you don't know of you're living your life or just my predictions. This living hell was only because you teased me, and nothing more. Now, cry while real criminals go unpunished, but you're being tortured by just teasing a stranger online!" It will be so great! Please, get emucancer now!

ITT: Zoom Zomos Btfo.
Emutrannies and anti-shader fags ruined this board.

>>8490991
>im so mad I will write a whole paragraph

wow you sure showed him

>>8490505
That looks great anon
Better than PVM trash at least

>>8485794
I don't emulate anymore (outside of ODE & Flash carts) but I am pro PC emulation. Everyone who asks me about retro games I suggest getting some converters for controllers on their PC and emulating before sinking more money into consoles, mods, upscalers, and CRT screens.

no proper crt filter out. n64 has shitty emulation.

>>8485926
Composite is comfy

>>8485962
Retard

>>8491071
No, not you too! How many of you will I have to fight? How much MADDER can I get? Will I survive? Or will you all beat me? That's what you want, isn't it? To kill and silence me. That's why I'll get you first! You'll be deader than that other anonn

>>8485926
>retard thinks bilineal filter looks bad
>retard thinks composite looks bad
Develop some taste or kill yourself please

>>8487775
Who wants to turn on a bunch of different stupid boxes and untangle all those controllers? Who wants the oopscoolers or the CRT necessary to make them look right? Who wants to buy flash carts for every one of them, or god forbid, simp for scalpers to get physical copies?

>>8491254
Bilinear is not the goddamn same as composite + grill/scanlines you fucking ignoramus.

>>8486247
Basically this. People come up with really autistic reasons why emulation isn't good enough, even for consoles like NES and SNES, but it's really just post-hoc justification.
And for the record, I am one of those guys who mods consoles, solders cables, uses a CRT monitor, etc. But I fully admit that the reason I do these things isn't totally rational and that I could just as easily just hook that CRT up to my PC and output analogue 240p that way. I just like using my old consoles/games when possible and tinkering around with them.

I have this weird obsession of finishing retro shit for the sake of finishing it and I want to do it as close as possible to what its used to be back in the days. This includes not looking up gamefaqs, using a crt, real hw (besides flashcard ofc). Already own a 20 old sony crt, the modded consoles arent that expensive either and flashcards are a 80€ investement. Feels like it isnt that expensive, sure as hell is easy to just plug in everything and go instead of fucking around with different dll's, crt filter, weird stuttering (which is infact a huge problem with emulation).

>>8491174
>n64 has shitty emulation

I would correct you, but I'm not surprised people still think this given we only just got Snes9x-tier N64 emulation in the past couple of years, after something like a decade of total stagnation.

>>8485829
Dawg, you be confusing the zoomers dawg

>>8491597
difficult to discuss this shit on the internet anyway. everyone has different standards. ranging from "I dont care about graphic and sound glitches" to "this shit is not pixel accurate".

>>8491630
Well, we got pixel-accuracy at playable speeds now, so that's definitely moot. And if you absolutely must have HD upscaled graphics, you can have it with near-perfect or "good enough" accuracy now as well.

Really, the biggest remaining problem is some timings are off, and issues stemming from that can range from minor (some cutscenes play too fast or desync from audio, such as in Body Harvest's intro, but gameplay is fine) to moderate (DK64 does not lag where it ought to lag or to the same extent, which messes with the physics somewhat and prevents some exploits from working - still fully playable, though).

Very few people are actually anti-emulator. Everyone will emulate just to try things out once in a while. The reality is you see it far more often that people are attacked for playing on the original hardware. "Why not just emulate?". I see it all the time. These kinds of emuniggers seem to be the actual persons bothered by other people's choices.

>>8485819
>same as RV camping for campers
You have obviously never owned a RV

>>8485853
This, can’t post a single picture of a console or games without getting bombarded by zoomers pissing their diaper and telling me to emulate like I don’t do that already,

Emulation is very bad and you need to play on original hardware so that I can sell stuff on ebay at a high price.

>>8487405
>composite on a concumer TV looks far better for 80's and early 90's consoles
>composite

Nope. PVMs are an overpriced meme by this point, but RGB categorically is not. Composite looks like shit.

Pretending composite is anything other than complete garbage is pure cope from burgers who can't find a TV with component.

>>8486147
>our
My opinion is shared by a group of billions of people and we are laughing at you

>>8486247
>emulation thread
0 responses from people saying “emulation sucks lmao fucking buy the game or dont play” because it’s a fantasy boogeyman you made up in your head

>collection thread
95% of responses are emulator faggots reeeeing and spamming hundreds of posts about hoarding, metaljesusrocks, pc specs, how they can boot games in x amount of minutes, “worthless plastic”, and how they fuck their imaginary girlfriends between playing SNES roms

>>8492000
based

>>8485794
Emulation is great, but original hardware just has a different feeling.

>>8487479
Are these people in the room with us right now?

>>8491986

The total number of every games console manufactured and sold for the last two decades only just scrapes a billion, Anon. You statistically cannot be correct.

The only people on your side are people who never knew any better. Would you like to go back to Wii Sports?

>>8487908
>I can’t believe people put up with hand washing.
Maybe because it takes 5 minutes to wash a sink of dishes?

>>8487908
This is the most modern consooomer adhd zoomer nonsense I've ever read on this board, and it's not even about video games

I have a few consoles and humdreds of games but sometimes I just can't be bothered and play emulators on my android tv with wired xbox 360 controller. So much easier. Also before I started collecting, as a teenager i the early 2000's, when all I had were my childhood games, a PC and no new consoles, discovering emulation was a revelation, all the games I never had, the excitement of downloading one ROM at a time, I can say I have as much nostalgia for ZSNES as I have for the real SNES I had back in the day.

>>8492550
We are laughing at you, us plural humans are amused at you alone in your singularity

>>8486147
Everyone I knew played with what came in the box. Imagine buying more cables when you could buy more games, and the cables that came in the box were good enough. Anyone who cared about fucking cables in the 90's and 00's was too old to play video games, and autism on the internet was mostly unheard of.

>>8492550
I don't even know what you're arguing about. But I have to admit. That cope you just posted has me laughing at you.

>>8485794
>Why are people so anti-emulator when it comes to retro gaming on modern displays?
Who cares?
Why do you let them live in your head rent free?
Why don't you call them faggots and move on with your life?
Just play video games the way you like.

Better question is why are emulator people evangelical and always trying to convert people? Why can't they just keep to themselves.

i think the main problem in this is that both sides make the other seem like monsters.

i love emulators and use them daily, and i couldn't care less of how others enjoy games!

>>8491976
I'm European and I think that. Have you used composite recently? RGB is way too sharp, even on 400 TVL decent displays.

>>8491976
Australian here and I like composite in some settings

I just played silent hill at 1440p at x8 internal resolution and i dont see why i would ever play it on real hardware. Id take the one predictable crash it has that you can bybass over real hardware any day.

>>8485829
You joke, and yet for years that was the best way to run N64 games on PC, on virtual console running in dolphin.

>>8485939
But if you're interested in how people played at home when the power gap in console and arcade was still relevant, then it would be getting the authentic experience.

I use original hardware on a CRT and I play GB on a DMG. I also emulate on countless devices. There is no big deal about which you do to me.

Personally, I don't like modern screen mods because I think that they miss the point of original hardware, though I admit they are sometimes an improvement (though I dislike when they are poor quality screens, which is the whole of my GB IPS screen experience).

My real beef is with people who destroy intact working hardware to make ugly modded consoles. Back when GB chiptunes were hot shit with the lube chute buttholes in LA and NY, the ugly novelty colors and light mods were more common than they are now, and it disturbed me to see people casually chuck out good condition OEM cases and components just to replace them with ugly chinkshit replicas. It's part of why I only deeply modify consoles which are trashed but still salvageable. I can't accept the callous destruction of a fleeting resource in the name of trend chasing.

My other grievance is with people who run old games on a clearly awful screen setup and then say that the game looks like shit because it's old. You're running a crappy N64 emulator on a cheap lcd monitor, blowing it up to 1080p, maybe even doing a stretched full screen, and you have the nerve to not recognize your own hand in the shit pot? Fuck off.

tl;dr play how you want, but don't do everything wrong and then criticize the game for your mistakes. Also don't mangle working hardware, restore and revive broken hardware.

>>8494054
Based

>>8493971
Only cool thing about upscaled shit is that eventually you can emulate how a tube would look on your 4K OLED, like the CRT Royale filter, or that analog pocket using it's high pixel count to render the subpixels of a gbc display to more effectively replicate the appearance. Shit like that has me optimistic about the future decades of classic gaming.

>>8493971
>one predictable crash

I wish. Everytime someone claims that "If you pass that XXX part, then you'll be fine", it always follow with bugs&glitches&unpredictable slow down.

It really suck out my joy of replaying old game with any emulator since I know how game was suppose to be. I still use emulator to only to explore games I never played before though

>>8494109
>>8493971
What crash? I haven't encountered emulation related crashes in a long time, usually only happen anymore because your confugration is fuckled up, like using the wrong hardware renderer.

I don't even think most people would be able to tell it's an emulator if you paly it with the original controller and on a CRT and don't show it was launched on a emulator, including you.

>>8492000
>thread asks why people hate emulators
>someone answers the question
>you get mad
Read the OP before you post next time. Cheers, mong.

I'm playing a mario kart 64 on emulator and it's clearly been altered so the turning is very exaggerated. If you havnt played the game on console you dont know if what you're playing is the base game or not.

>>8493190
A lot of them have an inferiority complex, so they look for strength in numbers.

Anti-PVM posting is a cope and will always be a cope.

>>8486123
>>8488314
>>8489564
>>8489642
>>8489648
If you're going to act autistic, learn what words are niggerbrain.

>>8494234
I just adjust the controls. That's the great thing, you can fine tune it. The modern N64 emulators are accurate, specially if you have a high end PC, controllers just need tweaking. I'm planning on getting on of the new USB N64 controllers also, should be perfect.

>>8494559
What kind of controller do you have? I got a n64 controller with usb. I was playing smashbros 64 with my buddy on a gamecube controller and it didnt feel right but i am interested in a controller that works for all systems.

>>8493661
>i think the main problem in this is that both sides make the other seem like monsters

This applies to literally every internet argument ever. Political discourse nowadays, too.

>>8494013
>for years that was the best way to run N64 games on PC, on virtual console running in dolphin

That was for like, two games (Pokemon Snap and Mario Tennis). Pretty sure everything else worked about as well as the Wii VC using Glide64.

>>8494585
I find the DualSense a good compromise for a single controller for multiple systems, but it's far from perfect if you need to do a lot of systems
Hence why I'm planning to get a proper USB N64 controller, plus a few other like GameCube

>>8494669
>Hence why I'm planning to get a proper USB N64 controller,
I still have the problem with turning too fast on my n64 controller and on the keyboard. I turn so fast that controlled slide around corners is unnecessary on all levels. The original doesnt turn this fast so maybe i should just try a different rom or should i be able to change it in the emulator settings? I'm on project64

>>8485914
>it's boring
>it's bland
>it's tedious
Lmao FUCK you. Playing oot shooting mini games on my pc with a pro controller feels fucking good bro. And it took 5 minutes to configure.

>>8494673
Keyboard is shit, you need analog
Change the stick sensitivity and deadzone until it feels better, might have to do it in Windows instead of the emulator instead, with a Dualsense I do it in DS4Windows, lets you tweak every aspect of the controller and create a profile for it you can easily switch

>>8490648
Different anon, but I am using a CRT and using the Genesis Plus GX. Compared to using component on the same TV, it does kind of blend better, but it isn't as smooth as other examples over composite. I am not sure if its my TV (it's an early 2000's Toshiba) or the fact that I'm using a Wii.

>>8494712
Thanks for the advice. I have a deadzone slider but dont have sensitivity option. I might have to get me one of those dualsense. But honestly i have dozens of games and this is the only one where the sensitivity is off. I still submit to you that this is problematic for people who havnt played before because they dont know their controls are off. Emulators are great they just arent perfect. I had my collection stolen years ago and have no interest in investing in more old consoles.
I'm also having trouble with bomberman 64. No matter where i map the key on controller or keyboard the button i use to make bombs doesnt work 50% of the time. That's a problem i think i should be able to solve just by finding a different rom.

>>8485923
this post is pure reddit and peak consoom

>>8494712
hold up is "range" my sensitivity?

>>8494751
>consoom product
>you will own nothing and love it
This is the dialectic

>>8494693
rude

>>8485914
Have you considered getting a second, cheap, PC or an ARM board with a jeOS aimed only at emulation? Things will perform better and it will be distraction-free.

>>8485914
>using opengl in 2022
Lol /vr/

>>8494734
It's that you're using a Wii and an emulator

>>8495621
Thanks bud.

>>8494548
It's the same thing, you dumb nigger

>>8495621
How come? How is Wii RGB different?

>>8485853
Keep comsooming, faggots. Ill keep getting better shit for free because im not a fucking retard.

>>8485923
>To some people playing on original hardware is the entire point. Using cartridges with the original controllers on the original system is more fun than the game by itself
Those people are called "retards"

>>8489564
left

>>8489564
>>8497391
This
People who prefer right on any of these pictures need glasses

>>8490567
>The waterfalls don't have a transparency effect using composite cables.
You mean component? The waterfall effects were literally designed for composite.

>>8491976
>PVMs are an overpriced meme by this point
>it’s expensive and I can’t find cheap/free ones so I’ve decided it sucks
Sour grapes copeposting all day and all night on /vr/

>>8497398
You get your fake transparency, but the rest of the image ends up looking like trash.
Maybe one day I will understand the autistic obsession with transparency effects

>>8485923
Mentally ill people frequently believe there is only one 'right' way or one 'right' answer and then fervently embrace it.
This mentality exists in all aspects of human pursuits.
It should be discouraged because serves no purpose and alienates those thinking of taking up the hobby.

>>8497783
People still think this works against Yuropoors when a 20 inch PVM is less than 200 yurobucks there?

>>8498016
Yuros don’t matter because they can find an RGB scart input on any old telly that Gran no longer needs when she pops her clogs.

>>8498028
Then what's wrong with anons post about PVMs being overrated but RGB not? People want a decent picture, but not thick distracting scanlines and graphics that might as well be pixels off a LCD.

>>8498042
>thick distracting scanlines
This the real meme. My 13” 600 TVL PVM doesn’t have thick distracting scanlines.

>>8498057
Try 14 or 20 inch with 800 TVL

>>8498062
Irrelevant, because I don’t own those and I don’t care to seek them out.

>>8498062
you mean like >>8497397 on the left? no thanks, right is already a nice trinitron tube and looks much better

>>8498057
Post pic, just curious how it looks close up

>>8495076
>using vulkan in 2022
go to bed gramps

>>8498086
>not using software renderer
what are you, a cpulet?

>>8497789
And RF looks better? Retard

>>8497364
>I'll keep seething and coping
I'm sure you will

Since can all agree that emulation isn't perfect i guess it comes down to willingness to spend money on the systems. Emulation will never give you the same experience but it's free.

>>8501038
>Since can all agree that emulation isn't perfect i guess it comes down to willingness to spend money on the systems.
Yup true, nothing is perfect, revisions between consoles can cause problems, etc.

>Emulation will never give you the same experience but it's free.
Exactly, emulation can usually give you even a better experience.

>>8501049
>better experience
in what way?

Kek

I remember before computers could match or even exceed original hardware in terms of latency, anti-emulator shills used to always bring up latency as a argument
Then one day computers could even emulate with lower latency than original hardware, suddenly the argument was "but I need some latency" or "I'm used to the latency" even though you could easily configure it to match 1:1 with the original hardware if you wanted (but obviously that argument was always ignored by the anti shills)

>>8501056
Emulation gives you a more flexible and fine-tunable experience, you can configure many aspects of it. Sure these days a lot of console mods like RGB and flashcarts exist, but what they do is just trying to match emulation in it's flexibility.
Being able to easily choose any controller, monitor, pick games in seconds, load patches/translations/bugfixes, adjustable latency, faster loading speeds, fixed slowdowns, graphical enhancements/diminutions, plus other shit like cheats or save-states for people who want them, etc. It's a long list and best of all it's all optional or customizable.

>>8494149
>>8494149
I was clearly responding to his claims, not criticizing him posting in the thread lmfao

How can you misread my post this hard? How can you be so fucking illiterate and tell others to read?

>>8501071
I think the problem is that most people don't know the capabilities of emulation or any of the flexibility you mentioned
There's a learning curve and you need to read a bit of documentation to understand everything

>>8501071
What you call “flexibility” is just a fucking hassle compared to turning a console on and playing the damn game. Emulating anything past the SNES era with “enhancements” is just making the game look like shit but everyone eats it up because muh higher resolution.

>>8501071
The autistic amount of customization emulators have now is why I appreciate OpenEmu. The spirit of consoles and arcades is to get right to the point and get playing, and all the emulator buggery is a distraction.

>>8497789
His screenshot isn't even composite anyway. It's a basic setting you can turn on in Kega Fusion. Blargg's NTSC filter looks a lot better and does the trick.

>>8501240
>>8501279
It's all optional though, I don't get your point.
Most people won't touch 90% of it, if at all, but id they do they just change couple things to suit their taste or needs, I just listed many of the possibilities from the top of my head.

>I appreciate OpenEmu.
Which is still emulation.

>>8501192
Probably. Took me a day to master RetroArch and set everything up, I haven't touched any settings in like 2 years now though, it just all works like it want, all the time.

>>8501297
>works like it want
I want* derp

>>8501297
It’s just autistic garbage I don’t want to look at, just like I don’t want to see a list of every game ever made when I’m trying to decide what to play for 15 minutes. It’s like people congratulate themselves for removing the physical clutter from their lives but then they create all this digital clutter they then have to navigate, and they think it’s better.

>>8485853
>sick of poorfag cope
This right here is the key ingredient, people like this anon have invested probably thousands of dollars into their collection and consoles, so they *need* to believe it’s superior to the free option in order for their brain to justify the purchase

>>8501315
That's quite a ignorant thing to say. It's real customizability, just because you call it "autistic garbage" doesn't make it so.
As I understand you don't even emulate, so why are you so triggered by this?

>It’s like people congratulate themselves for removing the physical clutter from their lives but then they create all this digital clutter they then have to navigate, and they think it’s better.
Every time I emulate, I already know before I pick up the controller and turn on the CRT what I want to play. Don't see how this is a problem.
I have walls of physical media too that I can play with real hardware, doesn't mean I sit there unable to pick something.

>>8501315
Just because you have a weak character and are too dumb to understand anything doesn't mean everyone does, anon

>>8501315
>it's better but I have more money than brains so I rather pay to have something nice instead of set something up myself
>thus I cope about it online
Lol, I'm into original hardware and even I can see how dumb you sound

>>8501332
Amen, the anon above you is prime example, nobody forced them to emulate and they don't do it themselves, yet they instantly get triggered when someone has a better experience than them or mentions emulations having more features

>>8501340
>>8501349
>emulation is better and I’m a very smart boy for doing it!

>>emulation is better and I’m a very smart boy for doing it!
Said nobody in this thread

>holy shit I'm copying so hard about emulation that I post soi memes even though it's irrelevant to me

>I know, I’ll post a smug anime girl and deny him a (You)
this thread has outlived its usefulness, because it’s shown that there is no dialogue to be had. people are in their camps and that’s that

>>this thread has outlived its usefulness, because it’s shown that there is no dialogue to be had. people are in their camps and that’s that
>noo I started shitposting about posts where actually discussion took place and people are making fun of me now

>>8501525
Discussion? Where?

>>8501071
Since hooking up CRTs at even 240p/60 to PCs is so easy these days and even cheap PC hardware is good enough to emulate a lot of systems, emulation is a pretty good experience IMO

>>8485794
>emulate on my 2000 Rupe Wii setup
JFC, you're still at it.

But yeah nothing wrong with 8bit/16bit emulation ...as long as it's on the MiSTer that is, and while we wait for the PS1 core that's coming along at break-neck speeds, there is nothing wrong with enjoying PS1 games on the to date best emulator of that system: DuckStation (not on RetroArch though, that whole "ecosystem" sucks lol").

>>8501512
Who are you talking to? You okay anon? The thread is fine, stop shitting it up.

>>8501541
PS1 core maturing is good news indeed, I wanted to buy a MiSTer years ago already but I'm waiting a little more
Might get better hardware for cheaper with more options, it's a based af project

>>8498062
>>8498070
Why not combine a sharp CRT with shaders? You can have some cool results

>>8485913
>Why bother?
because its a hobby and i like doing it you adhd-ridden zoomer. nobody owes you any explaination. its fun, period.

>>8501581
I don't see much of a problem with how anyone plays at all, the point is to enjoy the games
Doesn't mean we can't discuss about the ways to do it

>>8485926
>that awkward moment when:
>you think retro games are supposed to look like emulators because that's what you're used to
>preemptively calls everyone that disagree a zoomer in an incredibly moronic attempt to disguise/deflect the fact that you're the biggest zoomer faggot in here
Literally no one used anything better than Composite to play on their TVs in the 80s and 90s, it would be pointless to do otherwise since that's what the games were made to look right on anyways. You'd know that if you actually were there and not basing it all of the zoomer fantasy of the era in your head.

Simple as innit.

>>8501734
80's, sure, RF and composite, even early 90's
But I used RGB in the 90's, even made my own SCART RGB cables for Master System, PS1, etc

>>8501734
>Literally no one used anything better than Composite
Because they didn’t have the know-how to buy a cable or couldn’t afford a TV that supported better signals. I don’t see any reason to carry that ignorance forward and treat it like authenticity.

Buyers are soulless. Emulators are CHADS.

>>8501862
Nice false flag shitpost, my dude

>>8485819
I just plug in my old consoles into whatever TV I have because I never stopped playing them.

>>8502025
FYI, my TV is an old 1080i LCD and I have them all plugged in via composite. Blasphemy, I know.

>>8497397
People who prefer left are too young to have an opinion. Fuck off zoomer

>>8502025
>>8502045
Based, as long as you have fun, there's no wrong way anon.

>>8502072
You're just poor and can't afford a PVM faggot

>>8497397
Right looks better in the thumbnail...

>>8502165
and the thumbnail is about the size of the sprite as it would be on a real screen

>>8485819
Does playing on a CRT with the original hardware enhance the gameplay at all? Your camping analogy falls pretty flat otherwise. I play games for the gameplay, not the display.

>>8502242
Same, I just prefer CRTs.

>>8502259
Thats valid, but I don't get the camping analogy since playing games is the same regardless of hardware/display. I understand playing on the original hardware/CRT as much as the next guy (wish I could do it more myself) but I dont really see how it makes the game "better."

>>8502242
If you're playing Duck Hunt it does.

>>8502270
Why is this still a thing? Light gun games work fine on LCD and OLEDs made in the last few years, put it to game mode and you're golden

>>8502270
im not buying a CRT and original NES just to play Duck Hunt

>>8502269
IMO the better scaling, old graphics looking better on them, no motion blur and perfect motion response with no latency make it feel better while playing, you feel more connected to the game
I'm not saying you can't enjoy them on other displays, you can and it's just as valid as long as you enjoy your game, but just adding this because you asked

>>8502278
Do they really? Everything I've read says there is too much latency for the zapper to pick up the blank frame. I guess a light gun not employing the NES method could work, though.

>>8502285
Speaking of blur, the waterfalls in Sonic actually use CRT inaccuracy to look good. They're not as pretty in emulation.

>>8502315
Waterfalls in Sonic use the shitness of composite. They look way too sharp on even a low end CRT if you use RGB.

>They're not as pretty in emulation.
Emulation doesn't mean you can't use a CRT.

>>8502327
Huh, I thought it was the staggered phosphor cells combined with the grid of pixels that did it.

>>8502339
Nope, it helps but it's not the cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0weL5XDpPs

Hope this helps, pretty interesting.

>>8502242
The analogy is about modding a console to play on a modern display vs emulating it on a console capable of playing on a modern display, not playing on a CRT.
Regardless though, the analogy still works with CRTs. If the reason you camp is to fish, for example, then it doesn't matter whether you sleep in an RV or a tent. But if the reason you camp is to be closer to nature, or to try to survive in the wilderness in a controlled manner, then it does matter. The same goes for retro gaming. If you play for the gameplay, the display doesn't matter, but if you play to recreate something from the past, it does. It's about what aspects of the hobby matter to you, and what your goals are.

>>8502363
What if I play to enjoy the game but while having a definitive experience? I.e. CRT

>>8502363
fair point!

>>8502350
That's actually the vide I learned of it from. Guess I misremembered the details.

>>8502380
Then display does matter to you. That's what hobbies are about: figuring out what your goals are, and what you need to achieve those goals. Then you can get into shitfights online with people who have the same goals about what the best way to achieve them is.

>>8502393
I guess, but it only matters because it gives the objectively the best experience, I don't care it's a glass tube that reddit likes, just that my gaming experience is good

>>8502436
By what metric is it objective? Sleeping in a tent is objectively better than sleeping in an RV... if your goal while camping is to be closer to nature. If your goal is to camp with the least discomfort, however, the RV might be a better choice. Some people's goal is to play a game on the go. Maybe they have to travel a lot for work, I don't know, the reason doesn't matter. A CRT is an objectively bad choice for this. A personal experience cannot be judged objectively. Hobbies are for personal enjoyment and fulfillment.

>>8502494
>By what metric is it objective?
none, the autistic mouthbreathers that frequent this site cling to positivism and objectivity and “facts” as a way of giving meaning and purpose to their lives

maybe i was a little rude to that guy. but fuck being “objective”, what a meme. do what you love

>>8502510
>fuck being “objective”
I wouldn't go that far. If your goal is to recreate the original environment of retro games, then CRTs are objectively better. What I'm saying is, use the right tool for a job, but don't give somebody a Robertson bit when they need a flathead, or try to tell them that pliers make the best hammer.

>>8486247
How much did your PC cost?

>turn on computer
>find game I want to play
>open emulator/core for game
>rebind controls for emulator because my controller isn't supported
>choose right video plugin to avoid graphical glitches
>choose right sound plugin so that the sound plays decently
>make sure game is supported by emulator and check for any game breaking bugs
>adjust settings to make game play at full speed

versus
>find game i want to play
>put game in console
>play

I'll take the original hardware every day, thank you. Last time I tried emulating a few PS2 games they ran like shit even on my gaming PC and were unstable as hell.

>>8502559
Want to play a game you don't own right now?

>download it

versus
>too fucking bad

>>8485794
Compatibility issues + having to find workarounds

Sure I'll dabble in it for fan tralsnations/region-locked titles, but generally I prefer original hardware since you put the game in the thing and it just works

>>8502559
>>8502602
Only an issue for 6th gen and above, and even 6th gen has been improving in this regard (though still a ways off from Just Werks).

>>8502559
you dont own nearly the same amount of games that i can download right now for free

>>8502602
this is a weird argument desu because if there is an issue with the hardware, its much easier to find a solution for an emulation problem than the other way around?

>>8502570
>download it
>put it on a flash cart
>put cart in console

>works every fucking time with zero setup

>>8502570
>>8502609
What are flash carts and external hard drives? Do they even exist?

>>8502629
What is extra money I don't want or need to spend?

>>8501056
It causes you to confront your failures as a man and develop coping mechanism to deal with them. It's much more healthy to spew jealous rants at strangers on the internet than it is to keep all that shame and self loathing bottled up inside.

>>8502654
>poorcope
Every fucking time.

You know, the time and energy you spend wallowing in your insecurities and jealousy on here, could be spent working a little for money and enjoying your hobbies like a man. But no, you choose to be a miserable little faggot bitch compulsively acting out at anything above your station in life that you have no one but yourself to blame for.

Stop being such a fucking bloody bastard.

Who are these people

Slash vr slash has everyone in all corners, i personally like emulation but like flashcarts on og hardware better, for no real reason other than that was the coolest idea ever when I first heard of it at 16 years old, I actually had a gameboy advance cart that literally could play ANY gba game I wanted

Now I feel the same having retroarch and phone controller, Ive spent the last month sleeping and waking up late playing EVERYTHING from NES, to Gameboy, to Mario 64 render96, to mobile games, back to SNES, and then PS2 and Gamecube. I'm having a hard time getting touch controls and motion controls for the wiimote on dolphin working right, else I'd that to the list

We're living in the prime times for emulation, you'd just be missing out if you're "anti emulation". Now, I wish we had a netcode revolution like kaillera was, it really bums me out that I have to play mr IT admin to play with someone else and Parsec is looking like it will become a closed source subscription cloud gaming piece of shit platform anyday now so you better enjoy it while you can

>>8501332
>This right here is the key ingredient, people like me have invested probably thousands of hours in coping and shitposting, so I *need* to believe it's superior to the option I can't afford for my brain to justify the poor life choices that had lead to me being such a poor sad pathetic jellous little man.

>>8502654
Flashcarts and hard drives are not expensive, anon

>>8502974
>x-rom: probably the slowest linker cable in the world
Regardless, old school flash carts are based af

Speaking of, what's my best option if I want an emulator box to run with my CRT? Raspberry Pie?

>>8485926
Composite looks fine on a CRT. That's what I had on my TV until I got an HDTV around 2011. All my early 360 era gaming was done via composite into a shit Magnavox. It wasn't until I was in middle school I had a flatscreen CRT with an s-video jack because my neighbor was giving it away and I felt like I won the fucking lottery. Obviously you're too young to remember what living in the 2000s was actually like.

>>8503852
I'm using everything up to original Xbox via s-video on my Commodore 1702 to this day. Still looks fine to me provided I'm more than a foot away.
If I ever find a small plasma with component inputs while thrifting, I might switch to that. A 4:3 plasma would be awesome, but those are essentially unobtanium.

>>8503867
>I'm using everything up to original Xbox via s-video
Based
I still rock everything up to 7th gen via composite/s-video. I have a lot of nostalgia for Halo 3 on that setup. Still have that flatscreen 20' Sanyo my neighbor was giving away. Damn thing does black magic with composite.

>>8503910
I hear ya. Before I realized my 1702 could do s-video I used composite for everything till the 360/PS3, which incidentally is when I lost interest in consoles.
It was alright, but after the OG Xbox I began to notice how soft everything looked, especially after seeing a buddies component setup. After that, I started researching, and found out that the "Commodore Video" RCA ports on the back of the 1702 were actually s-video from before the port was standardized. Been enjoying relative crispness ever since.
Started to get some blooming at normal contrast levels lately, so I'm going to have to open it up and check some shit pretty soon. No idea if its something fixable. The capacitors are all original, so it probably couldn't hurt to replace them all.

>>8503910
>I still rock everything up to 7th gen via composite/s-video
What an embarrassing way to phrase such an embarrassing flex

>>8503954
Best of luck on the DIY repair anon. Lost interest in consoles around the same time. I hated that most of my favorite games needed patches and shit. Figured if physical media was dying I better jump ship to PC so at least piracy/community patches are an option. Recapping isn't too bad, just make sure you buy the right ones for the job and make sure you don't mix up positive and negative. Killed a 3 head Teac deck doing that once.

>>8503968
Less a flex and more nostalgia for growing up poor desu

>>8504064
Thanks. I play all my modern shit on PC now as well. Also on Linux, because I found using wine, Proton, and AMD/ATI less of an assache than using any version of Windows past XP/7.
I successfully recapped my Xbox and 3DO, so I don't think I'll have any issues, but I'll double check my polarity just to be on the safe side. RIP your Teac; don't feel too bad, shit happens. About a decade ago, I fried a ZX81 when I forgot about center negative power supplies.

>>8485802
>running a gbc emulator on a java phone emulator on a windows vista virtual machine on a mac.
The only way to play.

>>8502494
There's nothing subjective about the games being made for CRTs or CRTs being lower latency or having no motion blur and instant response rate. Just saying.
Portable gaming is it's own thing, I don't think we're talking about that since you wouldn't take a console and a TV with you either.

>>8502559
>>turn on computer
>>find game I want to play
>>open emulator/core for game
>>rebind controls for emulator because my controller isn't supported
>>choose right video plugin to avoid graphical glitches
>>choose right sound plugin so that the sound plays decently
>>make sure game is supported by emulator and check for any game breaking bugs
>>adjust settings to make game play at full speed
do people actually think this is how it goes?
download ROM, open RA, play

shits's so automatic these days, everything from controller mappings to game related patches (most emulators don't even need those anymore)

I have a bunch of old consoles sitting in a box in my laundry, but for the sake of simplicity I hooked up an old laptop I had lying around to my flatscreen TV and filled it full of emulators. I have five controllers attached so it's great when friends come over because I can do up to N64/PS1 gamea [hey, its an old laptop] which has plenty of good multiplayer games, some of the SNES ones even going up to 5 players, not to mention that there are lots of great romhacks that I can utilise, like Mario Kart 64 in widescreen. Otherwise when I'm alone I can immediately go to my most recent save state and continue playing right away.

For me the most useful thing about emulation is the convenience. I can easily add emulators and games and have a fun experience without the downtime of swapping out and storing consoles. The added bonus is also having a media center attached to my TV for movies and shitposting.

>>8502559
>>rebind controls for emulator because my controller isn't supported
>>choose right video plugin to avoid graphical glitches
>>choose right sound plugin so that the sound plays decently
>>make sure game is supported by emulator and check for any game breaking bugs
>>adjust settings to make game play at full speed
You do these things ONCE when you first download the emulator. After that you just open the emu, select your game, and play. It's like you're being stupid on purpose. Also, what USB controllers aren't supported by emulators?

>>8504662
You don't have to do any of that.

If you use a well know controller like Xbox, DS/4, 8BitDo, Switch, etc, it will auto bind controls.
It will start with a graphics API already supported by your system
It will start with the right sound API.
Almost all emulators support the same things, there's no reason outside of ARM to pick a specific emulator.
Emulators have build it lists for required patches for that 1% of games that require them.
There's nothing to adjust for full speed unless, again, you're using some shitty Pi 3 or something, on a PC everything, even PS2 runs full speed on a APU machine or a cheap laptop without tweaks being required.

>>8494747
>you that this is problematic for people who havnt played before because they dont know their controls are off. Emulators are great they just arent perfect.
zoomers arent looking for a genuine experience.

>>8494747
>I still submit to you that this is problematic for people who haven't played before because they don't know their controls are off.
Just fire up a controls calibration ROM and adjust your deadzone and sensitivity to that, numbers don't lie, you don't need to know anything about the original system to perfectly calibrate like that.

>>8504701
How would you know you need to calibrate controls for one single rom when all the others respond differently? One who hasnt played certain games could easily assume the game was meant to be played with a higher sensitivity than was actually normal for example. Is there an actual formula to calibrate the controls for each individual game so you know it's responding the exact way fit is supposed to?

>>8504723
Because you calibrate a controller relative to a system, not a specific game, just like real hardware.
If you can see max - min deadzone and sensitivity the emulator is seeing and then adjusting your controller accordingly in the settings, you can simulate the original controllers behaviour easily. You don't need to do it for different games, since it applies to all ROM you run, same like the original hardware and controller apply to all games you play.

>>8494747
>>8504701
>>8504723
>>8504728
As someone who grew up with N64, being able to customize that shit is godsend, dual stick 007 for example with sensitivity that works for me instead of having to deal with the original controller is one of the few reasons I even prefer emulation to original hardware, fuck that shitty analog stick

>>8504728
Then how experiencing sensitivity issues with a single game a no others?
>>8494747

>>8504747
PEBKAC usually

>>8504770
k zoomer lets pretend roms cant be altered since you couldnt tell the difference anyway.

>>8504774
Why would you alter ROMs? Download known good dumps and compare MD5.
Don't tell me you play ROMs before even checking their checksum?

>>8504778
Kek, reminds me of people who buy cartridges randomly

>>8504778
>why would you alter ROMs?
lack of skill>>8504739
>fuck that shitty analog stick
same reason you would want to alter sensitivity on a game that behaves like it should.
i've been seeing anons on her consistently not knowing about unlocking extra

>>8504817
Rom edits for sensitivty don't fix that fuckup of a stick

>>8504817
>>why would you alter ROMs?
>lack of skill>>8504739
How is this related to... just not using those non-genuine ROMs with emulators? I don't see your argument here.

dude just emulate, you get every game for free