/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8462835
pretty good compatibility

>>8462835
games still won't work

>>8462835
most overrated 3d accelerator of all time

>>8462835
Some good shit. Pic mostly related, screenshots don't feature the "24-bit" dither filter.

>>8462835
quake 3

>>8462958
nice, I love SS2

>>8462835
Everything up to '99 running pretty well and as intended. Deus Ex is where cracks start to show, along with most high end games of '00. Especially if you don't have a high clocked P3 or better. Max Payne and NOLF is where it starts shitting a brick.

That was my first GPU. Great performance.

>>8462835
Did you get the free Aliens vs Predator disk with it?

>>8462835
>PCI
Might as well have gotten two Voodoo 2's for SLI if you're going PCI anyways, otherwise Voodoo 5000 AGP.
But it's good, no worries, have fun.

>>8463993
nah, I live in a third world country, it was a loose card sold by someone that really didn't know what it was

>>8463384
I have a P4 XP PC and a P1 MMX 98SE machine here, will try it on booth

>>8462835
Heat to carry you through the winter, a high energy bill, and the beautiful smell of burning dust bunnies.

>>8464102
all this was the reason I said fuck that, and sold off my win 98 box. I'm only keeping a box from 94 around to play TES arena because dosbox has mega issues with it.

>>8464102
That's a 3000, they don't get that hot, they are even passively cooled.

>>8464107
Where does this meme come from, a high end late 90's PC was around 90W under full load.
These days even the average PC takes 3x that under load.

>>8464127

its probably because heat dissipation was really rudimentary in computers.

it was easy to have a fanless crappy heat spreader to reach 80c while doing just 35w or less. (and nearly no exaust besides the psu fan)

jesus christ... some old cpus had written on it "heatsink required", and i laughed at that until i met a dude that had a k6-2 without one.

so they "felt hotter", but it was mostly bad builds.

>>8462869
This anon knows. SLI Voodoo 2s had better performance than Voodoo 3.

>>8462835
Fucking lol, you paid 50 dollars for an old AGP card? You LGRfags who just blew in from jewtube are delusional, cool card but not worth more than 10 bucks tops

>Fucking lol, you paid 50 dollars for an old AGP card? You LGRfags who just blew in from jewtube are delusional, cool card but not worth more than 10 bucks tops
Would have been more believable bait if you actually said PCI since OP made it pretty obvious.
No (You) because of that, sorry not sorry.

Depends on what you're into.
I really liked the Voodoo 3 when paired with an overclocked PII playing Quake I / II on LAN.

>>8466530
>sounds interesting for a pre-AGP build
>check prices

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115063976794

>>8466979
>Last one / 1 sold
lol

>>8466979
Kek, I never paid more than 10 bucks for one.

>>8466530
it's too expensive tho

>>8467014
What this says to me is this guy had matched pairs of each kind of card but for some fucking reason mismatched them deliberately.

>>8462835
good find, that'd be a dope videocard for one of those turn of the century "small form factor" office machines like a GX110 or a Deskpro EN where all they gave you for expansion was like 1 - 2 PCI slots.

>>8464126
I found a AGP 3000 a couple months ago at a thrift shop for five bux, and it doesn't get BURNING hot, but it does heat up enough that I feel adding a fan is warranted just for the sake of extending its lifespan as much as possible. fans are cheap.

>>8466830
>mad

>PCI
lol

>I could have bought a Voodoo 5 ages ago
>See prices now

At least I have a Voodoo 2.

>>8470471
Perfect for a PCI only shitbox

>>8462869
This, but unironically.

Not being able to do more than 16-bit output in 1999 is embarrassing. Even fucking textures are limited to 16-bit.

>>8470497
>Not being able to do more than 16-bit output in 1999 is embarrassing. Even fucking textures are limited to 16-bit.
You're confusing your Voodoos here.

>>8470506
No? The Voodoo 3 was infamously 16-bit only. The "22-bit" quality they touted was just marketing for their blur filter. It wasn't until 2000 that they caught up.

>>8462869
>>8470497
You get a Voodoo 3 as a decent mid/late 90's GPU with glide support, since they are unironically cheaper than Voodoo 2's, specially in SLI, which is even faster than a Voodoo 3. If you'd be serious about it, you'd get a Voodoo 5000.
This is like getting a TNT 2 but with added Glide support, which is important for that era.

No idea why people are so mad about a GPU. These days historic facts don't matter at all, if you want a GPU for a 300 MHz P2 era machine, this is perfect pick to get Glide as a free bonus, even when it's not exactly historically appropriate.

>>8470630
I doubt that most people here even know that there was a time where every card had their own proprietary graphics API

>>8470685
That's quite literally the main reason why people buy Voodoo cards in the first place. I always see it being discussed in terms of Glide comparability.

>>8470685
Glide was essentially a formalized miniGL spec. The syntax and functions almost mirror those of OpenGL, except that everything is explicitly tailored for the capabilities on that specific hardware.
It wasn't well suited for the rise of high-traffic buffers over AGP, and indeed, none of the Voodoo chips were "real" AGP cards.

>>8470630
Voodoo 2 has the added benefit of being a secondary GPU as opposed to a primary
This means you can use something like a GeForce 4 or a Radeon as your primary GPU for games that want raw power or have issues with 3DFX cards
Similarly if you have a Radeon in your AGP slot for example and want to play games that require shit like 8-bit palettized textures then you can just switch to the Voodoo 2 for that

>>8470497
24bit in 1999 was like 4K in 2016. Your card could "support" it but you weren't running games in it. Plus the voodoo's 16bit support was far FAR superior to the competition. You could cut your framerate practically in half trying 24bit on a TNT2 or get dogshit 16bit support. Versus a voodoo 3's emulated 24bit that was a much smoother experience. Plus the textures were 16bit, but there were all sorts of formats allowing you to tailor each for exactly the color+alpha support you were going for. It was a good stop gap until real world performance caught up with Direct3D and OpenGL's pie-in-the-sky 32bit ARGB support.
t. programmer who loved Glide, hated Direct3D. Simple as.

>>8470979
You'd throw in a Voodoo 2 SLI into a machine to add Glide support, but the era your main GPU wouldn't be a GeForce 4, that's way too new for most peoples setups. You'd take something like TNT 2 or even GeForce 2 and then the Voodoo 3 also makes slightly sense as a budget option to combine the D3D/OGL main 3D GPU with the Glide 3D GPU.

>>8462835
Good 90's 3D and DOS games. Shit Just Works™ on Voodoo.
Pair it with a Vortex2 or Soundblaster Live sound card for some damn good spacial audio in Half-Life and Unreal

>Around 2017
>Some dude in Moscow selling loads of NOS Voodoo2s
>Drops price to $18 each by the end of the year
>Buy 3 (SLI setup + one spare just in case)
>See prices today

Feels good to jump on something just in time.

>>8471249
Russia has good prices I see. Even in 2017 I used to flip Voodoo's for profit and they sold well.

>>8471132
>24bit in 1999 was like 4K in 2016
Yeah, no.
It was virtually free on Ati's shit.

Besides, people were still eager to play older games that would benefit immensely from 32-bit formats, such as Quake 2 with its colored lightmaps.

t. still have my old TNT2

>>8467025
Yeah, maybe 15 years ago.

>>8462835
>what am i in for?
a lifetime of disappointment, like your dad felt watching you grow up

>>8462835
old shitty graphics

>>8471468
No, even now. Just know how to look for them without buying them from as "RARE VINTAGE GPU VOODOO GAMER" shit on ebay.

>>8470483
ironically PCI actually stuck around for waaay longer than AGP on account of ethernet and wifi adapters still using it. I had a Haswell i5 machine with a single PCI slot at one point; pretty sure it was actually just bridged to the PCIe bus but whatever, things plugged into it still worked

>>8471862
I have a AM4 board that accepts Ryzen 5000 and still has a PCI slot.

>>8471862
>pretty sure it was actually just bridged to the PCIe bus but whatever, things plugged into it still worked
That's not really a problem with PCI, more a problem with ISA.
With PCI, you can use external PCIe to PCI adapters to hook up old cards to modern systems too and they work out of the box with unmodified drivers. The other way around is true too, you can add PCIe graphics cards to early PCI systems for example, like a Nvidia GeForce 7500 LE that had Windows 98 drivers to a PC-98 machine that only has PCI.

>>8471882
I'm actually looking at something like this on eBay right now. Not necessarily by design but the fact that it does intrigues me.

It's only a 300-series board, though, so it won't accept 5th gen Ryzen but still.

>>8473867
Mine is 300 series too, AMD officially does not support 5th gen on them but my board OEM still has BIOS support for 5th gen unofficially.

>>8473935
I also bought an LGA 1200 board with a single PCI slot that I intend to use in a build (I've got a concept PC in mind that has a mish-mash of parts from varying generations of PC hardware).

>>8471894
>>8473941
Fun fact, you can pop a Voodoo 2 into a modern motherboard, either if you have a PCI slot or using a PCI to PCIe adapter, Windows 10 64-bit drivers exist and let you run 32-bit Windows Glide games natively.

>>8471894
>The other way around is true too, you can add PCIe graphics cards to early PCI systems

did not know about this. shit's bananas. brb adding rtx to my fucking packard bell

>>8474629
Well good luck finding drivers. Drivers are the killer of any ambitious PC frankensteining.

>>8474629
>>8474669
Maybe with Linux you might have success, if the drivers work with 686 and 32-bit.
Otherwise I think 7000 series Nvidia is highest 98 supports. With XP you might be able to get pretty modern though.

>>8462835
Cooling issues are what I am trying to figure out. Thinking of having a friend 3D print some brackets to hold a large fan. It is probably time to replace its thermal paste, so getting the heatsink off and finding a way to keep it back on may be difficult. The ram chips may also need some heatsinks stuck to them as well. However, it is nice that it provides both 2D and 3D graphics on a single card. You may not like that it only does 16-bit colors in 3D opposed to a full 32-bit colors but you will be pretty happy with the performance at 1024x768 being worth giving up the colors on games released before 2000.

>>8474887
You can just zip-tie a regular fan on top of the heatsink. The heatsink itself has pins to hold in on the PCB so it's easy to remove and put back in place. Ram chips barely get warm so no need to cool those.

>>8474887
A fan blowing air thru the AGP/PCI/ISA cards should be enough, the normal heatsink on top of the Voodoo 3 is good enough and the thermal adhesive used shouldn't be messed with, it's on there really well and breaking the chip itself or it's pins is a big risk, there's no point in changing it for a paste or new thermal adhesive either, we aren't dealing with temperatures that this would have an effect on.
Just put the fan close and it will run much cooler than it ever did stock.

I am talking about the adhesive Voodoo 3 black heatsink. If yours is easy to remove and uses paste, then of course re-paste it.

>>8474887
>Cooling issues are what I am trying to figure out

I just used some aluminum foil HVAC tape to attach a little 50mm fan to the heatsink on mine. it's good; doesn't decay into a gummy spongy mess like electrical tape or dry out and wither away like duct tape. or spontaneously turn into a pile of gritty plastic crumbs like anything 3d printed.

>>8474938
did somebody in prison build a bootleg adlib card. is that what im looking at here

>>8475286
>did somebody in prison build a bootleg adlib card. is that what im looking at here
Russian DIY Sound Blaster clone, back in the 90's when the original was hard to get.

>>8474938
Fortunately they have now reverse engineered some pretty good sound cards to a very professional level. As for the Voodoo3 the screws or pins don't seem to have a way to release it from the card.

>>8475060
I have a silver heatsink and it is not easy to remove, so I am hoping someone else has experience with this particular Voodoo3 which is AGP instead of OP's PCI version.

>>8475286
Thanks for the advice. I was thinking the heat and gravity could affect a 3D printed bracket over some time. Perhaps a combination of plastic zip tie and that tape would be the answer to getting some air onto the heatsink.

>>8476328
>I have a silver heatsink and it is not easy to remove, so I am hoping someone else has experience with this particular Voodoo3 which is AGP instead of OP's PCI version.
Ah, the one you posted above? That one used adhesive + screws I think? Since I know some didn't use screws but had the same heatsink.
Undo the screws, then put some WD-40 (or contact cleaner) between the heatsink and the chip (preferably from all sides), let it soak a little and after a while warm up the heatsink itself, like with a lighter (or hot water if you're scared of setting fire to the WD-40), just a little, then just hold the PCB and twist the heatsink clock or counterclockwise while it's still warm, be sure to twist only and not pull it.
Afterwards you can just clean the whole card with WD-40 or contact cleaner, then wash off with warm soapy water and a toothbrush, when you're done rinse with IPA or put it to dry on a radiator or do both.
You won't need thermal adhesive to put back the heatsink, just good paste and tighten the screws well.

>>8464096
P4 will probably bruteforce you into 2k a bit more. P1 is a real weird-ass fit for it. The CPU will choke anything that really uses it.

>>8477721
Depends on the P4, a 3+ GHz HT is going to be fine even with late 00's shit.

>>8477721
Yeah, these days I realized that my Asus mobo actually supports by patch K6-2 and 3. I got a super socket 7 without knowing lmao

>>8477721
It's not really an issue for PCI, but there's a lot of P4 motherboards (also some Athlons) which will destroy the shit out of a AGP Voodoo3 because they don't support older 3.3v cards. The slot was supposed to be physically keyed to prevent inserting an unsupported card but a LOT of manufacturers were lazy and didn't bother. Double and triple check to make sure your board isn't 1.5v only.

>>8477721
Yeah, these days I realized that my Asus mobo actually supports by patch K6-2 and 3. I thought I had bought a socket 7 mobo but actually got a super socket 7 without mobo knowing lmao

Yeah, these days I realized that my Asus mobo actually supports by patch K6-2 and 3. I thought I had bought a normal socket 7 mobo but I actually got a super socket 7 mobo without knowing

>>8477721
Yeah, these days I realized that my Asus mobo actually supports by patch K6-2 and 3s.
I thought I had bought a normal socket 7 mobo but I actually got a super socket 7 mobo without knowing

>>8478347
Putting a 3.3V card into a 1.5V slot won't do shit though.

>>8478347
99.9% will be keyed, the ones that aren't are actually universal slots
universal AGP was really popular turning the p4/athlon era since it was the end of the road for AGP anyways, I must have like 20 universal boards and all of them are universal slots and not "lazy" manufacturers

>>8478359
if it's a universal slot it will just work

>>8477918
It's a late P4 HT 3.2Ghz, the mobo is kinda trash for DOS games as it doesn't support easily sound and it doesn't have ISA slots

>>8478359
>>8478368

http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcompat/agp.html

> There are a few motherboards which do not use the correct AGP connector. This AOpen AK79G Max is a universal 1.5V AGP 3.0 motherboard and yet it has an AGP universal connector which accepts 3.3 volt cards. Fortunately, it also has circuitry which prevents damage when a 3.3 volt AGP card is inserted and lights up an LED to warn you that the video card is a 3.3 volt card. I think they built the motherboard this way as a defense against video cards with incorrect voltage slots. You can't damage the motherboard or video card even if the video card has the wrong voltage slots with this kind of design.
>You may also come across the occasional motherboard which has an AGP universal connector covered by a sticker which says "do not insert 3.3 volt cards". According to the specification, they shouldn't do that. Perhaps they didn't want to go to the trouble of keeping 1.5 volt keyed connectors in stock. It's a shame users have to be careful about this because if manufacturers obeyed the specification, it wouldn't be possible to make a mistake.
>I also found a picture of a motherboard from one obscure manufacturer which had a universal AGP connector rather than the 1.5 volt keyed connector that it should have had. I doubt it had any circuitry to prevent damage if you inserted a 3.3 volt card and there was no hint that you shouldn't insert one.

>>8478420
As said, 99.9% and by your example the only board you mentioned by name won't even damage anything if you do.

>>8477048
>then just hold the PCB and twist the heatsink clock or counterclockwise while it's still warm,

eh, not a big fan of this, it puts a lot of stress on the solder balls joining the GPU to the board. my preferred method is to insert a credit card between the GPU and the heatsink, and then insert a flathead screwdriver between those, and then just GENTLY pry and twist with the screwdriver till the glue cracks and detaches. this places no strain on the solder joints, and the credit card shields the PCB and any surface mount components from the screwdriver. here, i did a diagram, enjoy.

optionally you can freeze the whole thing ahead of time to make the glue more brittle, but you need to be super careful not to let moisture condense on the board if you do this. like, work it over with a hairdryer or heat gun set to "low" afterward, maybe let it sit a couple days in a warm dry place just to be safe.

>>8479793
The point is to exercise least stress, with WD-40 the heatsink should pop off without any force when you twist it. Sure you could use your method too, but if you do it without heat/cold threatment and WD-40, you're still putting a lot of stress on the chip even leveraging it like that.

>ctrl+f keyed
>1 of 4

Sigh.

>>8479956
locked

I had one of these. Or was it ago?

>>8462835
Getting ripped off

>>8480643
This, 3D acceleration is a meme pushed by Carmack and 3dfx. Software rendering is better, GPUs are literally a scam.

>>8462835
>Just bought a voodoo 3 3000 pci for 50 bucks
how?

>>8464013
PCI is way more valuable because it didn't use AGP for anything and it's 3.3v.

>>8464107
should've bought some noctua fans and a modern power supply.

>>8471286
voodoo 3's 22bit color has soul though. Using 32bit just looks generic nowadays.

>>8477918
>Voodoo 3 running 7th gen shit
What the fuck? No. FUCK no. As soon as textures push past 16mb, DX8+ and/or shader model 2+ or get implemented it's fucking ogre. It's literally incapable of displaying the fucking graphics at that point, stupid-ass. Ever see Doom 3, Half Life 2, and Far Cry run on these without being hacky, 2fps, sub-N64 freakshows? No. And that's 2004.

>>8481885
I live in a third world country :^)

Voodoo 3 AGP is the gayest fucking thing ever. That particular AGP slot is basically its own thing entirely and doesn't work on most/'modern' AGP boards.

>>8481917
>Dithering and blur good

Fucking hell. These games are to be enjoyed on beautiful CRT's with high contrasts and sharp low-res display. The last thing you want is even less framebuffer precision.

I'll tell you what's soul, software-esque overbrightening, which the NVIDIA TNT is capable of in hardware, but not 3dfx.

>>8482426
For what it's worth, Half-Life 2 had a hidden DX6 mode, and it officially supported DX7.

>>8477048
>>8479793
>>8479921
Thanks for the great pointers. Will consider doing a combination. It is scary to attempt to do this because the heatsinks are stuck on there and I have no fallback if they break. If successful on removing the heatsink, the next problem is how to get them back onto the chips, as the 5s don't have them screwed on, but rather stuck onto the chip itself. Thermal grizzly doesn't really have any adhesive properties.

>>8481885
Just check random listings. I bought two Voodoo 2's within one week for 35 bucks total, because they were listed as PCI cards and not Voodoo cards.

>>8481889
PCI sucks for a 2D+3D card like V3. You could use 2x V2 in SLI and get better Glide performance while having a AGP 2D + D3D + OGL card that performs better than a V3 at those tasks.

>>8482426
Nobody was talking about the Voodoo 3, only about P4 CPU. You okay?

>>8484224
For what it's worth I've cracked heatsinks off these cards with brute force too when the cards were plentiful and cheap and I needed the heatsink for something else and all the cards were fine, including Voodoo 3's with thermal adhesive and similar cards like the Rage128.

>how to get them back onto the chips
Look up "thermal adhesive" on Amazon or eBay, that will do the trick.

>>8484238
but it has the same performance in PCI as AGP?

>>8484326
Almost, the PCI version is slightly slower. It doesn't help that PCI is a shared bus and if you have other things like SCSI and network controllers on there, you're sharing the GPUs bandwight with them and can have a noticeable effect on performance. While AGP is dedicated.
The point wasn't PCI vs AGP though and performance, the point is that you could have a much better AGP card while just using Voodoo 2 in SLI that goes into PCI anyways and you'll get even better performance than a Voodoo 3 in a PCI or AGP slot gives you.

>>8462835
>PCI
Is it for a Amiga? I thought the PCI versions were only desirable for Amiga fags.

>>8484335
>>8484326
my mobo doesn't have agp tho

>>8484335
I'm pretty sure Voodoo3 2000+ is still faster than Voodoo2 SLI

>>8484442
Voodoo 2 SLI in benchmarks scores better than a Voodoo 3 2000, specially a 2000 PCI.

>>8484358
>amiga
>PCI
Lol zoomers

>>8486295
those later amigas (4000 or whatever) use PCI and people convert PC cards to work with them

>>8484241
I was. You responded to me. The whole thread is about him putting a Voodoo 3 into shit you ignoramus. I sorta figured you weren't, but are YOU okay?

>>8484442
That's the funny part, it's not, the SLI is faster.

>>8479793
wiggling a razor blade between the chip and heatsink would probably be safer.

I wanna replace the heatsinks on my Voodoo5 but northbridge heatsinks only barely fit.
I hate it. Why couldn't 3DFX just make them match?

>>8491085
Buy a heatsink that fits?

>>8493683
nothing fits unless I use thermal glue. And I hate using thermal glue.