/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8455368
Please use your talents for good and not evil.

I could be wrong but I don't think this is doable. Like you definitely couldnt do the pic related >>8455368 since the resolution is way higher than SMB. You'd have to find a Unity port of SMB or something, and then mod that

>>8455368
There isn't really any concrete documentation on how to create HD packs unfortunately. You could always try contacting the people behind stuff like the LoZ HD pack or Castlevania HD pack and ask for their help on Discord. Good luck anon, it's going to take you a LONG time, what game by the way?

>>8455404
google HD mesen packs

>>8455404
Mesen emulator supports high resolution output without sacrificing cycle-accurate emulation. It's pretty neat actually.

>>8455414
I stand corrected

>>8455409
“What game by the way” .. so you’re a fucking idiot. It’s super Mario using an hd pack. Jesus Christ

>>8455425
What? I'm asking what game you're making an HD pack for you absolute fucking cocksucker.

>>8455368
good job, you made SMB look like a chinese made mobile game
kill yourself

>>8455368
Jeez, HD Mario Bros is a positively grotesque sight. A HD mod of something else could be good, I guess...

>>8455368
Art style looks a bit like Braid (2008)

>>8455368
HD texture modders and "upscalers" are disgusting filth. The game was built the way it was meant to be.

>>8455368
If you're going to go to that effort, whey not make your own retro inspired games? There are a ton of engines that even people with almost no programming experience can use. Though basic programming is something you can learn in an afternoon if you're young enough to have a working brain.

>>8455368
Unironically looks like trash. Why would anyone bother?

>>8455368
this is kinda unsettling

>>8456159
For fun and just something different. Nothing more nothing less.
Why do you need it to be anything else anon?
OP was just posting an example too, you can load whatever title set thats out there.

>>8455425
please get screened for autism before posting here again

>>8455425
Lmfao

>>8455368

>>8456231
Right looks so much better.

>>8455368
I wish OP's pic was actually a real pack for mesen or something, I kind of like it. It's not pretty, but it has a certain kind of grungy style to it which I think has its own artistic merit.

>>8455425
There's no mention of that in the op.

>>8455368
gore thread

It worked, fucking boludos pieces of shit.

:O

>>8455851
Hahaha yep

>>8455971
Because programming physics and logic is a far cry from just swapping sprites. Get it together, faggot.

>>8456440
No, it most certainly did not, my white friend.

>>8456529
now I just need to figure out a working resolution to increase the size.

Maybe 4X?

>>8456231

This isn't like that though. OP's image replaces different blocks that were identical-looking in the original game with different-looking blocks in addition to increasing the detail level, which is how it ought to be done.

Of course the specific result in the OP image is ugly (whether intentionally or not), but it doesn't have to be. (Not that SMB needs repainting to begin with, but maybe some games could benefit from this.)

>>8456532

Why not do this with a better game? Or are you just using Popeye as a prototype to aid in your training?

>>8456775
Is a simple game that doesnt take a lot of effort to be made today.

>>8455368
What game is this?

>>8456805
Sonic

This is a NES game, just let that sink in.

Proof + download:
https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=31559.0

>>8456883
What game?

None of this is legitimate. If it doesn't work on real hardware, it's not a real rom hack.

>>8455931
As opposed to Braid (2009)?

>>8455425
Nice bait

>>8456956
>I don't understand how it works so it CANT
Brainlet

>>8456956
Define legitimate

>>8456883
looks like shit

>>8456883
>This is a NES game,
Technically, no

>>8456883
and now it looks like a fucking flash game or a low budget phone game. god i fucking hate zoomers

>>8456883

This looks like shit and it runs like shit.

>>8455368
That HD Mario looks kinda like those shareware Mac games back in the day that were basically clones of arcade games with more detailed graphics, if anyone remembers those.

>>8456883

>>8457276
Thats an imaginative use

Dolphin has an option for dumping textures for the purpose of editing them and packaging them back into a texture pack for the game that will automatically be loaded instead of the ROM's textures. That's how people do shit like picrel (though I think VJ's texture pack was done with AI upscaling and smoothing the original textures rather than replacing them by hand). imagine Mesen is the same but with sprite sheets?

You're gonna be biting off more than you can chew if you really want to mod the games themselves, but anyone can make a dolphin texture pack if they just have the patience to edit hundreds of texture files.

>>8457309
>imagine Mesen is the same but with sprite sheets?
Yup, thats all it is
Don't know why people get so bent out of shape about it though. Its just a "for fun" feature. Its not replacing the original.

>>8456893
super mario

This sucks. Let me explain why. Remember ssf2t hd which had handrawn sprites but kept the original animations.... Looked janky AF. Now imagine that 100x worse because the cps2 board was way better than the nes for animation.

Keep it simple kids. Scanlines or retroarch CRT filters.

>>8456237
Too early. You have to wait til it gets supplanted and forgotten, and kids who played it grow up to post about how classic and soulful it was compared to modern high-budget garbage.

>>8455425
Autism in its purest form

>>8457561
There was also other random weirdness, mostly due to the art, such as Akuma (I think) switching legs mid animation.

>>8457041
It should work on real hardware.
>>8457113
Works within the limitations of the console.

>>8457181
Nobody remember or play any of these? There was a fun game called Boom, which was basically Bomberman but with Doom inspired sprites/art style.

>>8457784
Also the game in particular that this thread reminded me of was called Bonkheads, a Mario Bros clone that was also released on PC. The quirky art style (also music and sfx) of these sort of games had a certain charm to it, I find.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQU5-C5we3U

>>8456883
Anyone have a Zelda 2 one yet?

HD art looks like soulless shit

>>8457806
It kinda does but in an interesting way lol. I sort of want to see what people can do with this even if I will always prefer the original graphics

>>8456883
>This is a NES game, just let that sink in.

That and the Metroid one are great.

>>8457898
Wait, so how do these work, do they only play on emulators made specifically for this kind of thing?

>>8457913
Why are zoomers so tech illiterate?

It's an emulator that replaces sprite chunks on the fly with 32-bit PNGs. Not a hard concept to grasp.

>>8457913

Yeah I had to get a version of Mesen, and follow some download/loading instructions, but it was pretty easy. You can flip back and forth between the HD pack version and the plaincake rom version. The sound is also great.

>>8457921

There was also some modification I made to smoothen the image; someone here helped me with that, but it was months ago.

>>8455368
Don't do it. It's a stupid idea. You will have wasted your time.

"real hardware is always better" fags blown the FUCK out

this is the final and ULTIMATE argument for why emulation will always be better

well, this and that PSX emulator that fixes the wobble

>>8457920
Well yeah nothing is very hard to grasp once it's been properly explained, I literally have never seen this shit before, hence why I asked about it lol
>>8457921
Ah I see, that's pretty cool actually. Not sure I would want to actually play games this way, but it's an interesting idea.

>>8457937
>Not sure I would want to actually play games this way, but it's an interesting idea.

It's really kind of like what nintendo did with Super Mario All Stars. The games play exactly the same but with more advanced stuff. Actually I think maybe that highlights how good the gameplay actually is, since it works in multiple styles.

>>8457960
Hmm okay, well I might give it a shot sometime, it does look cool.

>>8457898
>>8457921
this looks like a shitty gamemaker or newsground fan game

i cant believe people actually put effort to mod over the og and play shit like this

>>8457973

I've played the originals to death. It's fun to see what other appreciators do with games.

>>8457984

Yeah but this is /v/, where fun is for PUSSIES

>>8457984
it doesnt change the game at all. its just an ugly makeup over it. there's no fun in doing the same thing, but worse. even playing a shitty gamemaker or newsground fan game would actually be better because it would be different, this just make the game look like shit

>>8458020
Maybe there are some NES games out there that have good gameplay but bad sprite design, this sort of thing could be good for that I guess

>>8456883
>>8455368
>>8457898
>>8457921
Looks like hot garbage.
Please tell me I'm just being trolled.

>>8457898
the analog synth soundtrack goes perfectly with this too, its fucking beautiful

>>8457898
Really doesn't look that great. I think maybe if you took the original Metroid graphics and then touched them up with the shades available on the NES (original hardware limitations be damned), to create more shades and detail, that would look a lot better, use some dithering while you're at it, but keep it the same resolution. Maybe also tweak some of the animations too (Samus's walk cycle doesn't look that good, fix them and add maybe one or two extra frames, but without gong full on Bouncy Hat Mario).

That's all going to a lot more work than just cutting and pasting Super Metroid assets into Metroid, but it's also going to look a lot a million times better. Sticking to the original palette I think will look better, even if you aren't limiting yourself rigidly to how many colors an object normally could use.

>>8456956
>>8457782
No one was ever calling it a romhack that would run on real hardware you tard

>>8455425
>super mario
uhhh which one there's a bunch i guess

>>8458047
>>>8456883
>>>8455368 (OP)
>>>8457898 (You)
>>>8457921 (You)
>Looks like hot garbage.
>Please tell me I'm just being trolled.

Start it up and play it. It's great.

So is pic related (but isn't mesen)

>>8458240
I'd rather get prostate cancer right now than play those vomit-inducing flash games.

Really liked the Super Mario and Legend of Zelda ones, but have to admit that >>8457898 and >>8457921 doesn't quite fit right. Also I suppose that animated they must look weird as fuck

>>8458137
>Really doesn't look that great. I think maybe if you took the original Metroid graphics and then touched them up with the shades available on the NES (original hardware limitations be damned), to create more shades and detail, that would look a lot better, use some dithering while you're at it, but keep it the same resolution. Maybe also tweak some of the animations too (Samus's walk cycle doesn't look that good, fix them and add maybe one or two extra frames, but without gong full on Bouncy Hat Mario).

Huh. I just found there's another version you can get that has an 8-bit style as well.

https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=28290.0

>>8458254
That still looks awful.

>>8455425
Devil's advocate here, he did post the picture. I assumed he meant SMB but he could've said so specifically.

>>8458256

I just started it up and I agree with you.

>>8458246
>I suppose that animated they must look weird as fuck
I've thought so too but these HD packs do actually add extra animation frames (for walking etc), this shit is pretty complicated, it's impressive how much remastering you can do with these hacks

Somebody, post the ole HD cat. OP is a newbie who doesn't know that we've been over this many times.

>>8458326
>I've thought so too but these HD packs do actually add extra animation frames (for walking etc)
They still can't compete with the real upgrades.

>>8458246
>Really liked the Super Mario and Legend of Zelda ones, but have to admit that >>8457898 (You) and >>8457921 (You) doesn't quite fit right.

I'm a big Metroid fan. I owned and beat everything up to Metroid Prime and Fusion. The 8-bit original Metroid isn't that great. When I played it as a kid I had to make my own map; the weapons didn't stack, and the ice beam was shit. The graphics were inferior to everything that came later. The music (especially in the boss zones) was good, and the exploration unparalleled before then, but the Metroid HD mod just makes it better. None of the art in the original Metroid was particularly good in the first place. Compared (eg) to Mega Man*, it sucked ass.*

*Annnd it turns out they hacked Mega Man into Metroid.

>>8456231
that's literally the mobile port of FF5 and chrono trigger, retards can't into proper tiling and fucked up the graphics, at least the pc port of CT got fixed

>>8457960
>The games play exactly the same
I dare you to start a thread with that.

>>8458357
someone post the bouncy mario, you know the one.

>>8458528

Yeah yeah, Metroid has a pause screen minimap now. And weapons stack and the icebeam isn't unusable. I'm staggered by the sacrilege.

Maybe they should make the password system more awkward and time consuming, to preserve the historical feel.

>>8456526
It's so easy that they're asking the nitwits here for help. lol

>>8455368
>Tumblr
>Horrible artstyle

Of course.

>>8457898
This looks like something you would see in shitty 2000's flash games.

Its just a silly extra feature in Mesen, why are people taking it so seriously like it killed their fucking dog?

>>8456883
>just let that sink in
Was that supposed to blow my mind? It looks like shit.

>>8457898
>That and the Metroid one are great.
Are you literally fucking baiting me? This looks like warm garbage.

>>8457152
Does it or is it your Dorito computer? Anyone know, that looks cool.

>>8456231

>>8456883
>just let that sink in.
kys zoomer tranny

>>8462418
cry more contrarian faggot

the rage of the faux retrofag hipsters who learned what retrogames are from youtube in this thread is delicious.

if this was 2001, people would be loving these hacks since it adds new life instead of muh purist memes.

Is there a list of all the HD packs available somewhere? They seem to be just kind of scattered on the romhacking forums.

>>8462548
>zoom zoom zoom zoom zooom zoozm ozmzo zoooom.

>>8462602
romhacking has most of it

>>8458240
Loved it.

>>8455404
Modern emulators support HD graphics packs. To my understanding, they do this by replacing what's displayed when the emulator attempts to load graphics from a sprite sheet or other sort of graphics.

Essentially, going off a sprite sheet like this (Which is mainly so that humans can visualize each "frame" of a sprite's animation, in reality all of these are compacted together in either 16x16 or 32x32 pixel chunks), if you scaled up each frame to 8x the size, redrew the sprite on top of it, and then saved it in a format readable by the emulator, the emulator would realize that when attempting to load the first frame from the game's ROM, instead load this replacement on the new sprite sheet. This is because the display for an emulator is more an abstraction of the real thing and doesn't have to conform to the limits of the original system.

>>8455409
Not OP, but I wanted to do an HD sprite pack for FF1, mainly because I play FF1 randomizer and wanted to make reskins of the characters from later FFs replacing the default jobs. I think it'd be kind of cool to play through it with a 16-bit look like the remakes while using the NES version or have things like Zidane as the Thief, Stiner as the Fighter, etc in an FF9 pack, or have the FFXIV scions as the default jobs (Thancred as Fighteter, Y'shtola as a Black Mage, Alisae as a Red Mage, etc).

>>8458254
>>8458265
These are entirely doable on the stock NES, why are these just texture packs?

Kind of reminds me of Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap, which was just a texture/audio pack for an emulated 80's game, you could even switch between the old/new graphics/sound at any time.

>>8458536
I know the one...
I've been looking for the parody version where the quadruple the bounciness. I think it was the creator's response to people criticizing him actually.

>>8463976
the new graphics has a box manual art look for it.
i would love to see the same for SMW, the manual was kino.

>>8464000
It wasn't the creator's response, it was /vr/ upgrading the upgrade.

>>8465014
finally, the upgrade I was looking for

>>8465020
But wait, there's more, we can go smoother!

>>8455368
>>8456532
>>8456883
>>8457898
NINTENDO
HIRE
THIS
MAN

>>8465020
Not so fast.

>>8464245
>>8465014
>>8465026
based /vr/

>>8465026
not an "upgrade" but this would be a fun sprite

>>8465072
I would absolutely love an entire Super Mario Bros. with animations like this on everything, and like maybe the ground bucks underneath you as you go (like you're walking on flimsy wooden planks), and this can cause enemies to trip, sometimes forwards to you.

>>8464245
>>8465014
This is not the one.

>>8465026
This is closer, but Mario actually left the ground mid step.

>>8463976
>which was just a texture/audio pack for an emulated 80's game
No, it's not, they disassembled the original game and remake it for modern systems. That's why everything, including the new hand-made animations, is so smooth.

It's basically the perfect way to remake a 2D game.

>>8464245
>>8465014
>>8465032
>>8466608
cannot believe im having a fucking laughing fit over this goofy shit

>>8455368
>to mod retro games into HD versions?
YOU LITERALLY CAN NOT !
HD versions? You can not draw more of the screen since like 1 sprite after the end of it there is nothing, NES Mario loads in more of the level as you go. a HD mod of it is IMPOSSIBLE on the original hardware ... and good luck rewriting the assembly code.

>>8456771
>>8455368

>with different-looking blocks in addition to increasing the detail level, which is how it ought to be done.

The most easy option is to rewrite the game from zero in a modern game engine and texture the new block whatever you like.

One the NES it is imposible !
See:
https://youtu.be/ZWQ0591PAxM?t=183
4 Sprite pallets at the same time !
4 Colors only !
SEE:
>>8467575
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6HKeqWY6T4

>>8467575

>>8455425
Autismos BTFO'd again

>>8458596
I think he was referring to how SMBAS had issues with the physics behaving differently. I think SMB2 and 3 worked the same but SMB had differences in how it controlled.

>>8465014

>>8455931
Braid was ugly as fuck

>>8455404
>I could be wrong but I don't think this is doable
It's all code. Anything is possible under the right person stop being a negative Nancy.

>>8463976
Did they hire /ourguy/ for the dragon art?

>>8467720
That voxel mario stuff looks like crap but the 3d NES games on the 3DS were really enjoyable, I wish they had made more of them.

>>8466743
This. I'm fairly sure the dude that wrote the Meka emulator did it.

>>8462185
"Neural upscale" there got me curious, I tried RealESRGAN on the "Vanilla" sample after downscaling it 4x to reflect the pixel size.

>>8469780
>That voxel mario stuff looks like crap
YES.
I posted this as a example. Make a mario clone in an modern game engine and start changing the textures. it is literally impossible to ad more colors to a NES ROM.

>>8469780
You should have bought more copies of Urban Champion 3D to prove you wanted them.

>>8469770
THIS is the one I was looking for, but for some reason I didn't remember it being SMB3 Mario.

>>8455393
what if Luigi had a HUGE cock