/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8462024
Super Mario World is the least intuitive classic Mario game ever.

it doesn't do anything, you can still see the pixels too sharply
use hyllian, geom or easymode

>>8462024

>>8462037
This isn't about the game though, if you misunderstood something.
Anyways intuitive / in-intuitive =! fun.

>>8462024
Upgrade your PC.

For me it's my preferences on a display that is also my preferences.
No pics because nothing is ever good enough on /vr/.

>>8462024
Just apply a dithering pattern at this point, PSX-style.

>>8462037
What does this even mean

>>8462024
based simple and effective filter enjoyer

>>8462189
god royale is such shit, how people can stare at that shitty bloom it adds and think "this is the best filter" is beyond me

>>8463047
Most people who use it don't actually try to tweak the fucking thing.

I like a tweaked VHS filter with a third party scanlines filter so it looks like my grandma's shitty old TV with the dial that controls the volume and is also the power button.

>>8463058
>still looks shit

>>8463092
Check your fuckin monitor brightness dude.

>>8463061
damn right. vhs shaders are the best.

>>8463139
It's the chromatic aberration that does it

>>8463092
it looks pretty decent

Where do you get shaders from ??

>>8463047
I don't think that's royale.

>crt-geom
ahhh, just like how I remember

also if you aren't also using an NTSC filter then what's the point

>>8463148
I know.

>>8463172
oops. this was for >>8463147

>>8463147

>>8463139
>>8463171
>>8463176
This isn't how games on CRTs look.

>>8463192
I don't care. It looks cool.

>>8462024
the fuck is crt potato?

Familiarity. Home

>>8463196
They're fun to mess around with but I don't know if I'd call it as cool as messing around with an actual CRT. The colors on those things fucking pop and are super bright.

>>8463237
This is a thread about filters, not actual CRT though.

I have a CRT but only one console. I have to use my PC for everything else until I stop being a NEET and can buy the real deal. Until then I enjoy the VHS filter more than my other options.

Why does royale do only 256p and 320p?

I haven't used a CRT since I was 10 in 2000 so I have literally no idea what it even looked like back then. So I just slap some squares on the image and call it a day

Issue is always the same, dithering, composite.

this shit is ruining my gaming experience

For me, it's the eternal campaign for the honor of 1080p.

>>8464641
How so anon?

Can anyone recommend me some shader on retroarch that emulates the epsxe's blurry display, please? I don't care that it's kind of bad, I want to keep it.

>>8465703
epsxe blurry display? Is the pic related?
If so, you should try bilinear filtering, gaussian blur 2 pass sharp (blurs folder) or sharp bilinear 2x prescale (interpolation folder).
You need to change the parameters on the gaussian blur one.

>>8465834

>>8465834
>>8465837
bilinear
sharp bilinear 2x prescale
gaussian blur 2 pass sharp

>>8463139
>>8463176
this type of shader only looks cool in screenshots, can't imagine someone actually playing a game for more than 30 mins with that blurry shit

crt-royale for me

>>8463058
>>8463047
>>8462024
>>8462189
>>8463171
for reference here's a Trinitron screen with composite photographed up close

found a pic of my favorite shader

>>8462024
For me it's scalefx. My eyes are thank me.

>>8465889
Is that royale vanilla, cause it looks like composite or something to me, also you're on 1080p shouldn't you change mask to aperture grill
>mask_type = 0.0

>>8465595
Cause i'm a retard and i spend too much time on this shit instead of playing.

>>8466415
looking good

>>8466617
>grill
grille
also i forgot fucking question mark

>>8462024
>it's just good old scanlines
What next, Kreed's Super Eagle?

>>8466617
>Is that royale vanilla
I tweaked it a little, but it's been a while, and not any of the crazier stuff.
You'd probably know better than I do.
It just looked closer to what I remember my old tv looked like than any other.

>>8463171
fucking hell

For me it's a real CRT

>>8463047
thats not royale retard

>>8467195
what is it then retard

For me it's crt-guest-advanced

>>8465517
I'm looking for a 1440p screen since it scales the resolution of older consoles perfectly but they are still way more expensive then they should be.

>>8462037
And? That's not a thought-out complaint.

For me, it's NTSC shaders.

PROTIP: For those using CRT shaders on RetroArch, try overscaling to the next highest integer. Sure, you'll lose some vertical screen area, but it'll almost always be within the area that would have been expected to be covered up anyway on a real CRT, and not only will it be an integer scale, which keeps scanlines looking even, but you'll gain a bit of extra pixel room for the shaders to work their magic.

>>8467517
Overscan off?
Sorry, I'm too retarded and don't know shit.

>>8465834
Yeah. Unfortunately, some of these won't work on my machine. I think jinc-dedither.glsl is close enough.

it needs to look like the screen has a thick layer of vaseline smeared on it or else youre doing it wrong

Glib facsimile of a real CRT image

>>8465881
okay

>>8467532
>glsl
Are the drivers that support .slangp not available for you?
https://www.retroarch.com/?page=shaders#:~:text=the%20handheld%20border%3A-,Shader,-languages%20and%20shader

Well, at least you found one anyway

>>8467553
>>8463176
Did you tweak it to look like zoomer vaporwave fakery on purpose?

>>8467517
Just don't take screenshots with that option turned on while using vulkan. To me the whole thing freezes, but the audio keeps playing.

>>8467567
not mine. grabbed these from libretro forums

>gaming magazine screenshot

>>8467530
It's in the video scaling settings. It's called scale to the next highest integer or something like that.

>>8467571
It works fine for me. As usual, it depends on your hardware, driver version, etc. as to whether things will work without a hitch or will crash. It's the curse of PC gaming, and emulators are not exempt.

>>8463026
18+ now leave
>>8467252
I said leave.

>>8467596

>>8468059

>>8463058
CRT emulation looks like shit, so blurry. Real CRTs are not blurry, they somehow smooth out the pixels without blurring them, I don't really understand how that is possible, but it is, and emulators just can't replicate it.

>>8468060
i'm not really sure of what doing here but it doesn't feel like it change anything to me
even with integer scale off

>>8468076
It's the triad size that's making the image shimmer so much. At triad size 2 it looks closer to a CRT but you can't see the indivisual phosphors.

>>8468076
i believe that's not a 4K screenshot
look at the pics on the wiki for reference
it's better
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/CRT-Royale#4K

>>8467558
Yes, I think that was it. Just had to switch to glcore, thanks.

>>8468076
The sharpness is adjustable most of the times.

>>8462037
>less intuitive than either Mario 2 on NES
Objectively wrong and retarded take.

>>8462024
For me, it's my 5 inch screen PVM with a screen smaller than a SNES cart with only composite I shelled out $350.00 for because a retro gaming youtuber complete with a gaping basedmouth told me to!

Take that, plebians who go outside and get a 36" consumer set with all the inputs imaginable for free!

>>8462024
>Buying exhaust speakers for an electric car

>>8469586
What does the inside of your own exhaust smell like? Because your head's pretty far up there.

>>8468087
Just rechecked, and the option is called Integer Scale Overscale. Update your RetroArch version if you're not seeing it.

Ah... home.

>99.9% of all screenshots and videos of retro games online are on an lcd monitor with no crt filter
bros, are WE wrong?

>>8469734
anon i just wanted to say i did it but i don't see much difference thx anyway
i guess no chance for 1080p bros

>>8468087
Set it to 6x on both height and width.

for me, it's crt-royale

>>8467537
Based. Now play Sonic 1 like that. Pure coaxial SOVL

I use crt-royale-ntsc-svideo for PS1/N64/Saturn/SNES/Genesis/NES/PC-Engine
I use crt-royale-xm29plus for Arcade and almost everything else.

delicious

>>8472983
here
https://files.catbox.moe/d0hno4.jpg

>>8473000
What's with the shimmering?

>>8473058
Hm? Whaddya mean?

>>8473000
That looks weird to me, i mean, is that a 4k screenshot.
>>8472983
Also if i may suggest, for everything before 5th gen go with composite, 256p for nes, 320p the rest, also why the fuck you guys like diffusion so much, don't you get fucking blind ffs.
Also try setting aperture grille on mask type which is 0.

>>8474218
Hell, i'd even go with composite with some of the 5th gen shit, anyways, whatever.

>>8472989
What is that?

>>8467048
Looks worse than even these shitty shaders. For me, it’s the actual console output, the way the devs intended.

>>8467309
How do you play such blur shit without getting a headache. In the 90s no one thought CRTs looked good, you did everything you could to compensate for their shittiness.

>>8467537
This is closest to real CRTs from the time

THE WAY THE DEVS TENDIED

>>8474249
>actual console output, the way the devs intended
?

>>8468076
You either haven’t seen a real CRT in a long time or you are in denial.

>>8462024
Those scanlines don't even make sense. They do not take the game's resolution into account at all. They are supposed to be between every row of pixels, and as you SHOULD be able to see, it goes randomly between rows of pixels.

>>8474259
Based kino and sovl

>>8474276
I don't get it, where the fuck are you plugging your console?
I thought it was meant to be played on a fucking CRT.

>>8474261
I just recently used a CRT tv again after not using one for like 8 years. This is why I say these things because I was surprised at just how good it looked.

>>8473072
The green/red chroma bleeding around the edges of the bright white text. That only happens on >4k screens.

>>8474251
Recommend me your favorite CRT filter then

>>8474270
>Pixels
>CRT
Spotted the zoomer

It’s always this Brian Eno quote with every piece of technology that gets mythologized:
> Whatever you now find weird, ugly, uncomfortable and nasty about a new medium will surely become its signature. CD distortion, the jitteriness of digital video, the crap sound of 8-bit - all of these will be cherished and emulated as soon as they can be avoided. It’s the sound of failure: so much modern art is the sound of things going out of control, of a medium pushing to its limits and breaking apart. The distorted guitar sound is the sound of something too loud for the medium supposed to carry it. The blues singer with the cracked voice is the sound of an emotional cry too powerful for the throat that releases it. The excitement of grainy film, of bleached-out black and white, is the excitement of witnessing events too momentous for the medium assigned to record them.

>>8474625
What the fuck are you talking about your dunning kruger crumbum? The game itself does indeed have a grid of pixels, stupid. On an actual CRT, which I OWN, which I FUCKING OWN. It will show a scanline between said rows, not all willy nilly like his screenshot. God I hate you.

It's just as shitty as I remember, I love it.

Okay, I tweaked crt-royale-ntsc-svideo a bit and I'm happy with it.
https://files.catbox.moe/p0jhas.png

>>8474937
What did you change?

>>8474937
ye less shimmering
good job

>>8475458
https://files.catbox.moe/7fx2m0.png

NTSC Preset: Svideo
NTSC Phase: 3
NTSC Resolution Scale: 1.25
NTSC Color Saturation: 1.15

You can turn down saturation since I only have it that high for my monitor that's calibrated for work.

>>8475498
>NTSC Preset: Svideo
COWARD

>>8475503
Wh-why?

>>8475507
You’re not properly using CRT shaders until your image is completely swimming in RF bleed and snow and dot crawl and convergence problems and you’ve got simulated burn-in in one corner of the screen

>Another CRT filters thread where redditors who doesn't know how to fucking config it, uses retarded resolution sizes and RGB instead of composite, also retroarch shitty ass and broken resolution size output.
EVERY SINGLE TIME

>>8475735
>dot crawl and color bleed

>>8475735
That shit looks disgusting no matter how many threads you push it on, snes9x-kun.

>>8475764
>playing SNES or GenesisMD games with RGB or S-Video
>Not knowing it was the way god and the nips intended to play the games due to colour work

>>8475770
keep memeing 4k redditarch tourist, your discord lost this war.

>>8475774
>2022
>schizoing about ribbit and gender discordia

>>8475735
Dude, tone down the diffusion and post a new picture.

>>8475774
>>Not knowing it was the way god and the nips intended to play the games due to colour work
this meme is way out of control, but you do you

I haven't attempted using filters yet but I like this screencap. It's not overloaded with filters. It's subtle enough to where it almost reminds me of older footage like AVGN videos. I like it.

>>8463047
>>8463152
>>8467218
Its crt geom deluxe with mask and screen curse disabled, usually I tone down the bloom a little too

>>8475820
which is what it should be, also people should take a look to old nascar satellite streams to know how image looked like back then

>>8475878
I don't get it, am i supposed to simulate a tv broadcast or a fucking crt tv screen.

>>8475946
You’re not done tweaking the shader until it looks like a 13th-generation SLP copy of a screen capture originally broadcast on GamePro TV from July 22nd, 1992.

>>8474937
>>8475498
Not that anon, just tried out their settings. Following up with crt-royale-ntsc-svideo, then crt-royale

>>8478197
Yeah the tweaked S-video Royale is like a perfect in between of being clearer but still imperfect. Almost like component.

>>8469750
u fuckn srs

>>8478197
Are you guys using vulkan, how does that differ from gl?

>>8478205
Why does svideo looks like composite, also please turn diffusion off i beg you.

>>8479087
The scaling is a bit fucked in that shot (you kinda have to look for it, though), but otherwise looks much more like an average CRT TV rather than a PVMeme, which is what every other CRT shader seems to want to ape.

>>8479113
I can't remember why I use vulkan, but I can't say I've seen any issues using it.

>>8479943
royale is a little bit more customizable with vulkan i guess

>>8462037
I played it as an 8yo and had no problems except for the cape, which I actually couldn't control until I was well into adulthood.

CRT New Pixie > Everything

>>8480597
Post a screenshot

>>8480603
nah

>>8480604
Then you're gay

>>8480604
Post it or don't bother coming here.

>>8480684
This.

I'm not sure how to handle Royale composite with Vulkan.

>>8475498
I tihnk Phase 3 is supposed to be for lower resolutions like NES, you get different effect there.

>>8483498
Probably, it removes a ton of color distortion on whites.

fuck me

>>8484413
thanks doc

>>8484413
what's that shit in the middle

>>8484430
it was just a shitty collage

>>8480597
I'm good thanks.
>>8480551
glcore has the same shaders as vulkan, is that not an option for you?

>>8484541
>glcore has the same shaders as vulkan, is that not an option for you?
not sure why you're answering me like that but i'm retarded anyway
yeah i guess i got an other option now maybe
idk i need to try
all i wanted to say is that i found out you guys were using vulkan by chance
i mostly only used gl and never noticed those ntsc stuff on royale there
also what the fuck is that shader

>4k shaders with HDR support on an OLED
Oh baby this is it

>>8484541
This honestly looks like shit. It's slightly too blurry.

>>8484551
>not sure why you're answering me like that but i'm retarded anyway
>i mostly only used gl and never noticed those ntsc stuff on royale there
It's because Vulkan/GLCore use slang shaders, so because you're using GL, you're not seeing the same list as shaders.

>GLSL: Shader format available to OpenGL. Wide range of platforms including phones and tablets.
>Slang: New and recommended shader format, when available. Compatible with Vulkan, Direct3D 10/11/12, OpenGL Core, WiiU and Metal renderers.
https://www.retroarch.com/?page=shaders

>also what the fuck is that shader
It's CRT New Pixie, I hate it.

>>8485106
ok ok and i just said that royale is differently customizable on vulkan at least for composite and s video i guess as you have all that ntsc stuff and i can avoid some of that screen pixel tearing and rainbow artifacts or something whatever while retaining the effects or so it seems
i couldn't see that on gl you have 320p and 256p there
it's also kinda heavier it seems and so is glcore so not sure about the difference not sure about everything what i'm saying or doing
fucking shaders

>>8485249
>>8485251
Remove the shitty diffusion and you might have a winner.

>>8485259
b-but diffusion is all the way down
in fact i kinda despise that shit and never used it
perhaps you mean bloom or shit like that
i'm not sure how to handle that
also i think i might have gone a little too far on saturation for snes

>>8485515
I think it might be bloom that's too high. Look at the white letters on the Castlevania shot. They bloom way too much upwards, and it causes some unnatural-looking fuzziness.

>>8485515
>>8485558
It's the scanlines that are too thick, causing the bloom to get stronger through the narrow lines where the pixels do show

>>8485558
anon
i believe it's because i don't have a 4K monitor
i mean i'm not sure i'm ignorant
>>8485578

>>8485578
It is certainly a tricky balancing act.

Pic related is what happens when you drop all artificial brightening and turn up the mask strength to max.

the G subpixel in royale is always too fucking bright
the slot mask in general is too bright
i hate it

I use NTSC-Royale, composite for older games, S-Video for newer ones.

>>8485649
explain

>>8485715
still too blurry, doesnt resemble s-video

>>8485715
looks absolutely nothing like a crt image in the least.

>>8487208
it's actually supposed to be composite

so i think royale (rgb?) and svideo work the same for both gl and vulkan
but composite is all different matter
especially for 320p or phase 2
i mean for resolutions bigger than 240p
and it also acts differently for each platform

>>8487215
Post a comparison.

>>8462024
crt-guest-dr.venom was a blessing for me.

You guys do know that Royale is shit on resolutions lower than 1440p, right?

>>8488931
I didn't know until the other day and ended up with this mess before someone gave me a great alternative for my resolution. Interesting paradox that a CRT shader needs cutting edge technology to look good.

>>8489078
4k isn't really that cutting edge. It's basically 2013/14 tech.

>>8489147
How long can they keep refining resolution? At what point will we stop being able to make the last HD resolution look blurry? The human eye has to run out of steam at some point.

>>8489165
For me, 8k is enough. 16k is basically indistinguishable from real life unless you use a magnifier or something. Although, I'm talking about 50 inch or so display.

>>8488931
You're not using the default setting are you?

>>8489185
I haven't had an eye exam in 13 years. I should stop putting that off. It's good to know retro games can still look good in the future, though.

>>8489208
is that supposed to look good?

>>8489229
Far from perfect but still better than the other options.

>>8474261
Not him but crts don't do the vaporwave/vhs blur that zoomers like. This is one of my own shitty pictures of my crt with zero wing on a real genesis.

>>8474289
Where will your original hardware supremacist attitude land you when it is no longer possible for CRTs to function due to the irreparable decay and magnetic erosion of their components? It is absolutely imperative for emulation on modern hardware to eventually be able to perfectly match a CRT. Software preservation is not a pissing contest. You are going down with a sinking ship, cheering that the life rafts are not large enough to hold all the passengers.

>>8474289
>>8489385
You didn't need to kill him that hard anon.

>kids using the last generation of CRTs that were made to actually be pretty good rather than the shitshow cancer CRTs with massive ghosting and horrible blurring that were dominant during the time of all these consoles they're emulating

>>8489405
I didn't mean to single him out. I've grown fed up with this attitude and its dominant presence on this board. It's very short-sighted and very detrimental to our hobby.

>>8489407
>No true scotsman bullshit
These same CRTs were built in the timeframe in which these consoles were still also being produced.

>>8489385
seppuku

>>8489407
>my parents could only afford shit tier TVs so everything has to look like shit
Sony had been making Trinitrons since the late 60s

>>8489423
No they weren't. The last CRTs were 2000s+ and actually showed a bit of improvement. Back in the 80s/early 90s, CRTs were garbage.
Holy crap, kids, please stop thinking you know anything about gaming (or anything, really) before 2000 or so. You don't.

>>8489449
Just admit you had garbage TVs during your childhood and had to cope with coaxial shit and broken RF forks.
I swear to god if you're playing old PC games with computer parts made after the advent of ARM I'm gonna break your spine, you dumb nigger.

>>8462024
gtu-v050 master race

>>8466415
fucking cancer

i grew out of using filters

>>8474249
The devs intended the console to output to a CRT retard

>>8474814
If you're using filters to make it look shittier instead of better you're doing it wrong

>>8475803
it's not a meme moron, the waterfalls in sonic are supposed to be TRANSPARENT not VERTICAL BARS

>>8489185
720p is enough faggot, people like you are why graphics can't get better

>>8489449
late 80s and 90s CRTs were perfectly good. By then they were using modern integrated circuits and worked pretty well. We have owned many CRTs I think there was literally about 40 in our loft at one point. Anyway, in my experience, the older wood cased TVs suck, but generally the newer black plastic cased TVs are good.

>>8463215
needs low static/snow from an RF switch

>>8467537
Unironically looks great. I'd try that for a world at least.

Shaders need to be tuned to the display, screenshots on a different display will never look the same lol

>>8490201
GTU does its job and it's pretty customizable somehow, you can even try to achieve some composite solution.

>>8490256
>Being so poor you still used RF during PS1/N64 era

>>8490517
It's true. My main display I use Retroarch on is set for reference colors so everything looks a little dull. I always turn up saturation more than most would.

>>8489078
>great alternative for my resolution
Are you talking about integer scaling or something?

are there reccomended crt shaders for dosbox?
(native app, not libretro core)

>>8487657
isnt the one he posted before hand composite

Is CRT-Geom + NTSC + sharpen any good for 1080p?

>>8489229
it looks fine

>>8490693
Why not? Most of these exaggerated shader settings are meant to simulate the experience of being poor in the 80/90s

>>8490693
The Dreamcast I got from blockbuster used came with an RF adapter

>>8490543
What do you mean "somehow"?

These are all fucking eye sores

>>8491056
cause gtu doesn't really care to simulate an actual crt but rather its effects
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/CRT_Shaders#GTU
i usually would try to change brightness a little bit i guess and trying my luck with composite settings since there's some color bleeding

>>8463215
Is this Royale?

>>8490517
Quoted for truth. These threads are silly if you think about it, because these shaders are so complex and allow you to do so much to fine-tune the resulting image that once you spend any time dicking around with the parameters until you get something you like, you end up with something that works for YOU precisely because it's all been done taking your display's quirks and calibration into account. Then we end up sharing a screenshot, and of fucking course people are going to question why you would ever think that looks good. It's not like when you apply something like bilinear or xBR where everyone can plainly see what's going on and everyone's displays will show the same thing.

>>8491450
Then people should take pictures instead?

>>8490708
CRT-Guest-Dr. Venom with integer scaling enabled, yes.

>>8490724
Depends, what look are you going for? You can easily throw on any of the shaders highlighted in this thread, but if you want authenticity to what it would look like on period-correct hardware (i.e. a VGA monitor running at line-doubled 320x200), there's few shaders that capture it well. This is something I cooked up quickly with a bit of fiddling, but it's not perfect by any means.

>>8491462
Take a gander at one of the CRT threads here and you'll see how hard that is.

>>8491214
simulating phosphors and such is tryhard and a waste of computational power

>>8491717
PVMeme.

>>8490828
That wasn't my screenshot. This is what the S-video filter looks like.

>>8491760
ok much better

>>8490828
That wasn't my screenshot. This is what the S-video filter looks like.

>>8491726
still coping and seething

>>8491774
I have a real CRT. I don't need to cope for shit, chromossome burglar.

4K is the right way to go for this shit

>>8491895
Now we need HDR support to compensate for the brightness loss and highlight brighter parts of the beam

Why do none of the Lottes masks look like a real slot/grill mask?

>>8462024
pretty nice

>>8462037
I don't know what "not intuitive" is supposed to mean as a platformer game criticism. You run, you jump, you collect coins, simple as.

>>8467553
i wanna see it in motion

Do any of these shaders have actual phosphor blur and afterimages when bright objects move around the screen?

>>8475820
This one looks pretty convincing.

>>8462037
one of the earliest memories i can recall is beating the first koopa kod boss on the gba version. i must have been either 3 or 4 yo

>>8491914
Already exists:

https://github.com/libretro/slang-shaders/tree/master/hdr

In fact, it's claimed with HDR, you don't need anything other than mask and scanline emulation.

for me is crt-pi.

for me it's snes9x

Raw pixels aren't that bad.

>>8489385
Based and truth pilled. Advancements like shaders and wireless versions of classic controllers are the future of retro gaming
>>8489410
I'm pretty sure it's just 3 or 4 very vocal CRT elitists. OG hardware can be comfy but the way these guys go on I'm pretty sure at least one of them has tried to tube fuck a granny TV

>>8493083
he wasn't actually being rude or elitist, just talking about what he liked

>>8492986
Only if the display itself is small. Also, stuff like color correction for some handheld games is nice, but that has nothing to do with crt shaders.

>>8490693
PS1 and N64 came with composite in the box, zoomie. You had to go out of your way to buy an RF adapter

>>8489385
hardwarefags slaughtered

>>8493091
It may seem cruel, but the sooner we rip the band-aid off CRT babbys, the sooner we can begin the 1,000 Year Reich of Perfect Emulation.

>>8493110
4k CRT Royale is damn close. I haven't personally used it just yet, though, so I'll need to take that closer look and see what needs to be improved further.

>>8493098
No shit? Are you illiterate and stupid?

>>8493110
oh, so you're just being nasty

>>8493142
>being so poor blah blah
>spending money on an extra connector for one console so you can keep your N64 and PSX connected to the TV at all times
You're really not too bright, are you?

>>8493175
>RF Adapter for old TV
>$4.99
>Newer TV with Composite
>$300
>VCR with Composite
>$150
Which is the poorfag option, you absolute idiot?

>>8493223
most people already had a vcr at home

>>8493245
No way. Not poor people.

>>8493248
even my most trailer trash friends had a fucking vcr zoom zoom

>>8493250
Trailer trash isn't actually poor. People that rent small apartments in shitty motel-esque buildings were poorer, since they have to live paycheck-to-paycheck. I had a few friends like that growing up. Who do you think local networks would air movies at night for? People that could rent movies? Remember, even the local libraries had VHS tapes you could borrow for free.

>>8493260
>moving goal posts

>>8493264
That's not moving the goal post. You have a different definition of being poor than I do. Families that can't even afford a car and used public transportation to get around. Mobile home owners at least own their homes.

>>8493223
>Poorfag only had one console
Your English reading comprehension is terrible. Every single tv and vcr in the 90s had composite ports. The only people who bought those did so in order to hook up multiple consoles at the same time.

>>8493276
>Every single tv and vcr in the 90s had composite ports
Not true for TVs. Either way, alot of people had sets from the 80s even into the later half of the 90s. And like I said, not everyone had a VCR.

>>8492986
Raw pixels would mean a postage stamp-sized, non-aspect-corrected image on modern displays. Of course, I'm sure by this you mean an image scaled through nearest neighbor interpolation for perfectly square pixels, but even that then suffers from absolutely needing integer scaling without aspect ration correction to avoid artifacts.

Thankfully, for a negligible sharpness compromise, you can employ a shader such as sharp bilinear to obtain the nearest neighbor look while being able to scale to arbitrary resolutions with the correct aspect ratio.

/autism

>>8493281
>Not everyone had a vcr
99% of families had a VCR by the mid 90s. And if you couldn't afford a VCR there's no way you could afford a PlayStation, N64, or Saturn + games to play + extra controllers + another $20-30 for the RF connector

>>8493368
>>8493281
By the time the 5th gen launched you could get a brand new VCR for less than the cost of a single game

>>8468929
How is Mario 2 unintuitive? Did some people not know how to pluck vegetables or something?

>>8493110
Without the CRT there is nothing. Every retro console should be destroyed, and rom dump deleted when the last CRT dies. Let it all go to the void together.

>>8493696
This is a gaming forum, not an antique television chatroom

>IT HAS TO BE A PVM RGB MEME 4K WITH NO SIGNAL LIKE COMPOSITE because reddit and youtuber said so

>>8489243
Anon posted a Screenshot on the same vein as yours with Royale on SNES9x, which has dynamic resolution, but retards and trolls said it wasn't a real TV CRT look.

yours is pretty much the Flatron Gamer LG that i had in the mid 2000's, sadly i gave that TV to my aunt and never saw it again.

>>8465902
It didn't work. My PC is all greasy now. What the fuck? How do you uninstall it? I want my PC clean again.

gave CRT-Royale a shot again, it's shit, why the fuck is the bloom turned all the way up and its blurry as fuck (all versions, ntsc, svid, composite, 256)

god people that think this looks good or even resembles a real crt must be blind, there is no shit bloom like this on crts

>>8490701
Looks like the original teaser shots from nintendo power. Good job!

>>8494097
then change the parameters to turn it down

>>8494407
it's still shit

>>8494419
pics pls

Letting the autistic quest for "perfectly accurate" visuals consume you is the worst thing you can do when you just want to play video games. It ruined me for a couple of weeks when I started emulating again.
Now I just set up some shader that's just subtle enough to do its job without me noticing it too much and have fun.

>>8494407
Royale has a problem with bloom. You can't turn it down without losing the whites.

>>8494438
Is this really considered too much bloom?

>>8494471
those greens look absolutely horrid, wtf

>>8494487
Is it considered too much bloom though?

>>8494487
Looks great to me. Get a better display, you fucking idiotic sack shit.

>>8494487
closer to the original

>>8462024
Whats the best crt filter for a noob? Also i read some of them make the game run really hard on your pc/retropie. Is crt pi good?? I read it was a lightweight one

>>8494564
Now THAT looks like radioactive vomit

>>8494571
kek

>>8494552
>t. colorblind nigger faggot

>>8494571
>>8494589
ohnonono

>>8494589
>>8494592
Imagine posting a raw image and thinking that's how it's supposed to look.

>my goalposts are moving on their own
Don't worry, I'll give you all the attention you need.

>>8494597
unless you’re fucking Miyamoto we have no way of knowing “how it’s supposed to look”

>>8494592
>>8494589
>>8494571

>>8494589
>>8494592
How to spot the zoomer. Thinking crt shaders are just scanlines over raw pixels.

I can never get these filters to look real or not look ugly. I just go with bilinear filtering and call it a day.

Recently I've been using crt-absens. The image quality is unbelievable.

>>8494421
I guess not.

>>8494616
Sorry to break it to you, but any kind of shader is already zoomer territory. You're not standing above anything.

>>8466415
lookin good

>>8494628
Nah, zoomers hate shaders and think raw pixels look best.

>>8494632
Nah, zoomers hate raw pixels and think shaders look best.

>>8494632
I played SMW before the SNES released in America and I agree with zoomers.

>>8494589
btfo

You're entitled to like what you want, I guess.
I happen to think this looks better.

>>8494654
Than something like this.

>>8494616
>how to spot a blah blah
stfu faggot, you're the poser

>>8494676
Sorry mate, I'm in my mid-30s and have a CRT too.

We're getting closer with each passing day, /vr/os...

>>8494676
what crt is this?

>>8494741
PVM20-L5

>>8494724
>>8494663
>>8494654
>>8494592
>>8494471
>>8492516
>>8489208
>>8485654
>>8485715
>>8485620
>>8485591
>>8485515
>>8485251
>>8485249
Any shader that produces a visible grid instead of simple horizontal "scanlines" is not showing what the game is supposed to look on an average consumer CRT

>>8494859
no one cares autist

>>8494859
Some people just don't want to play it "raw", they no longer care about trying to emulate an average consumer CRT which could have many different results depending on the model.
https://youtu.be/kt-4ppVloVA?t=232

>>8494859
>>8494875
Top left is a grid though

>>8494897
he's a retard, consumer crts will show a grid, professional moniitors won't

>>8494897
exactly

>>8494875
Yeah, people need to chill. There's a couple camps.
The people that want it to look "perfect", like RGB with scanlines or PVMs.
The people that want it to look like THEIR CRT and anything else is wrong. Even though every model produces slightly different images.
The people that want to emulate RF, composite, and S-Video to make it look how they remembered.
The people who want to play with shaders that they like the look of.
Everyone should just relax and get along.

>>8494908
my 13" sony trinatron didn't show a grid, in fact none of the dozen crt's I have now show a grid, and none of them are PVM's

>>8494931
post pics

>>8494897
wtf is that angle

>>8494908
This. It pretty much depends on the size of the tube and TVL count. See >>8481670 for example. Same brand, same size and same mask type but different TVL count makes the lower-end consumer tube obtain a grid-like appearance compared to the higher-end PVM.

It's a look I dig, actually. The "scanlines" (i.e. the dark gaps between the actual lines) are there, but the low TVL and resulting grid-like appearance helps to blend them into a cohesive picture that doesn't look like you're looking at the image through solid window blinds.

>>8494941
What's TVL?

>>8494949
TeleVision Lines.

https://andynumbers.wordpress.com/2016/07/21/lets-talk-about-tvl-count/

>>8492083
Not him, but I agree there are some non-intuitive features in the gameplay. Namely things like controlling the cape properly and spin-jumping on sawblades. Nothing too major, though, the main game is intuitive enough to me, those are more advanced/optional techniques anyway.

Is crt pi a good shader ?

>>8495175
it does the job if you want scanlines, it's a light weight shader made to give a 'crt' look for low end pc's (like the rasperry pi). It's nothing fancy but I actually like it.

>>8468076
its literally all in your head
grow up

So the real question is do you guys sit far enough away from your monitors that you can't see the scan lines like people did with real TVs.

>>8495683
Of course, my arms are 10 feet long and I can use my computer from that distance.

>>8495683
It's more about the ppi of the display. That's why it's best to use 32 inches or smaller 4k displays for accurate CRT shaders.

Never bothered with settings like this. I just open the emulator and start playing the game. Pretty fun.

>>8495936
You know, I have a laptop with a 4K display, and I've yet to seriously try it with shaders, mostly because its GPU can barely handle regular-ass screen rendering at that res, let alone a fucking CRT shader like Royale.

>>8495175
Try also zfast-crt and see if you like it.

>>8495953
you're not missing out on anything, crt-royale is like playing elder scrolls oblivion circa 2005, just bloom everywhere and it looks ugly as fuck

>>8462024
for me its fighting parents filter

>>8496713
I don't see it

>>8496720
>ywn come home late at night from a friend's house to find a trail blood leading from the dining room to the garage again
How am I supposed to give my kids the childhood I had when I don't even want to stab my wife or myself. These kids don't know what they're missing.

>>8496754
looks like shit

>>8497009
it looks better than your crt tho

>>8497468
not my crt
>thinks his fuzzy and uneven shadow masked filter some how looks better

lmao

>>8475774
Do you still use a Pokémon pfp to turn your bf on?

>>8496720
It’s too bad shaders can’t have audio. I’d love to have a track playing of muffled fighting and swearing, which occasionally gets more clear and close to my door as I am filled with dread that it might come into the room. Best survival horror filter.

>>8497009
So it’s emulating a CRT accurately

>>8497536
unironically yes

test

Why can't old spergs stay in their containment threads, what are they so afraid of?

>>8498331
Who? The people screaming screenshots don't look like their CRT?

>>8494628
if anything shaders were for millenials but they looked like shit
then the boomer millenials actually made good ones

>>8494592
this looks like a LCD screen

>>8499378
Yeah it's a bit too high res.

>>8499626
What's this?

>>8499657
I think it's a screenshot

>>8499657
Filename

>>8463047
you can turn the bloom off

>>8467553
Looks like a low-quality photograph of a CRT screen like you might see in an old magazine. But not like a CRT with your own eyes on it.

Could be fun to make screenshots for manuals for hacks and such.

>>8495683
Yes

>>8494875
>video
This is SSJ3 CRT autism.

>>8499954
And it's glorious.

>>8499965

>>8497851
Seems fine on my display. What shader is it?

>>8499938
You kinda can't though

>>8462024
Get with the times!

MiSTer Shadow Masks is where it's at!

Wouldn't be surprised to see these added to RetroArch in the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rViiU8mZvTU

>>8499965
herrooo, what is this?

>>8500081
Super Mario RPG

>>8500045
i tried making my own preset doing a 2x horizontal prescale with stock (to reduce blur) and then applying fakelottes with tweaks.
>SCANLINE_SINE_COMP_B = "0.250000"
>warpX = "0.000000"
>warpY = "0.000000"
>maskDark = "0.700000"
>maskLight = "1.200000"
>crt_gamma = "2.000000"
>SCANLINE_BASE_BRIGHTNESS = "1.000000"
it looks fine, but i still think it needs some adjusts because it can look too saturated/dark at times.

>>8500076
I know you're baiting, but I have a MiSTer and these are absolute garbage.

>>8497640
no, you're either too old and decrepit to remember what a real crt looks like or some retarded zoomer who thinks this is what it looks like

a real crt using composite is going to have dot crawl along with that fuzzy picture, this that shit looks like is someone smeared vaseline all over your screen because it's just a static blurry image with color bleed coming out and shitty bloom at the edge of the screen (look at the blacks on the edges), if you like it fine, but this isn't emulating shit accurately.

>>8500132
it's not fucking bloom it's called diffusion and you can turn it all the way down
it's actually a common thing on royale
but you don't know this shit you don't even read the wiki cause you already made the decision that you ain't gonna like shaders no matter fucking what
it does simulate pretty fucking good i'd say
but yeah it's not a fucking crt but it doesn't have crt flaws either ffs

>>8500159
it's shit
stay mad

>>8500162
yeah cope and stay bitter

>>8500175
Alright, this one here is some black magic shit. What the fuck.

>>8466415
This physically hurts to look at.

>>8463139
nigga this shit look like vaporwave LOL !

>>8500184
that series of screenshots have been posted countless times, I’ve never been able to recreate the look and suspect it’s either a obscenely customized mix of shit or the screenshots were tampered with

>>8500184
>>8500359
it's the royale xm29 preset

>>8500359
I've seen it before, but I hadn't actually taken the time to examine it. I almost want to believe you, because the blending and added details are just unbelievable.

>>8466415
It looks cool, but it also makes it look like a flash game

>>8466415

>>8500184
>>8500374
That shader preset (xm29plus) looks best at 4k. It's not ideal for 1080p, but it's at least better than nothing.
The game is legend of mana in case anyone has a 4k monitor and wants to try to recreate it.

>>8500442

>>8474284
>he doesnt plug his console to his neuralink, the only way to get the actual pure experience with no distorting filters

for me.....it's xbr6

>>8463215
What filter is this?

>>8500442
>>8500445
>not ideal for 1080p
>Looks fucking great

I guess I'm going to need some help tweaking the shaders...

But I'm kinda digging Geom Deluxe

>>8501362
just use the royale-xm29 preset

>>8501362
Set mask to grille and raise the beam max sigma to 1.0

>>8501378
Looks like shit, captain.

>>8501385
It looks like the gif though

>>8501395
Then maybe it's just my monitor. Man, finding the right settings combo for each different monitor is a pain.

>>8501385
>Looks like shit, captain.
>1080p
No shit?

>>8501385
Royale tranny sisters, we got too cocky...

>>8501382
>Set mask to grille
What? I just see numbers.

>>8501385
It looks fine dude.

>>8501413
Set it to 0.0 (Grille). 1.0 is Slot, 2.0 is Shadow.

>>8501419

>>8501425
Nvm revert it

>>8501362
>>8501385
>1080p
many such cases

This thread is why you just fucking get a crt. Even if it only takes composite, it’s still good for anything that’s old and isn’t PS2 or maybe genesis. Will actually look accurate then.

>>8501465
CRTs won't exist forever.

>>8501404
I'm sure the developers intended you to play the game at 4k back in 1999

>>8501484
retard

>>8501496
Filter feeders love to hind behind "muh developer intentions", just only when it's convenient for them.

If Royale works best at 4k because it's a multiple of 320x240 why is there not tweaked version for 320x240, 640x480, 960x720, 1280x960 and 1600x1200?

>>8501496
It's ok not to know how to reply anon, just don't be a kid.

>>8501385
lmao how
anyway, dunno if it's going to work, but it's worth a shot
https://a.uguu.se/iTyNbyWx.slangp
https://pastebin.com/HrEiRr38

>>8501595
If we're both using 1080p monitors then it might work, thanks anon.

that's because all these faggots in this thread keep trying to emulate composite without the dot crawl thinking it looks like an actual crt

newpixie would be the GOAT shader for me if it wasn't for the absurd ghosting and darkening of the picture