/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8448248
For me, it's crt-royale, all default settings.

>>8448253
What game

>>8448256
Digimon World 2003
it's pretty fucking kusoge so I can't recommend it but it's got some of the nicest attempts to blend pre-rendered and pixel graphics I've seen.

>>8448261

>>8448264
>>8448253
yo, no cap frfr this shit looks dank senpai

>>8448248
Ah, shaders. The novelty racecar bed of videogaming

>>8448314
fr cuz this shit bussin

>>8448248
Overrate smw

>>8448314
mfw niggers

>>8448248
Looks like shit. I'm fine with my brand new 60inch flat screen thanks

bezel shader for life
anyone that doesn't use shaders has probably never had sex
i use crt shaders on a crt

>>8448510
I hope you stretch the games to widescreen too Anon. Just like the devs intended

>>8448526
Obviously. What's the point not using the whole screen and having ugly black bars on both sides?

>>8448248
That's weird, the horizontal scan lines dissappear when I zoom in on the screen shot, is that normal?

>>8448510
>60in
what are you poor?
70 is minimum these days with 75+ preferred

For me it's using an older GPU with analogue video out doing RGB+S, using a breakout cable to a standard definition CRT

>>8448248
No CRT has ever looked like that, even when you get inches away from it.

>>8448732
To me, these crt filters look more like images of crts instead of actual crts.

>>8448253
I'm just not happy the way it looks on mine.
This is royale 256p s-video

>>8448749

>>8448572
>he still uses TVs instead of projectors to get 100+ inch picture
fucking poorfags get the fuck off my board

the best type of shaders are the simple ones like easymode, lotes, hyllian etc where you just load it, and after an hour or two of gameplay, you don't even notice there's a shader anymore

>>8448758
>projector
I'll play along with your larp, but oh yeah... I'm sure the contrast and lag on that is fucking fantastic.

>>8448768
I like hyllian and i prefer guest dr venom to lottes to some extent but still needs something more than 1080p anyway you can't have composite or shit like that with those i guess

>>8448248
for me, it's sharp-bilinear-simple

>>8448253
based

>>8449213
This

>>8448261
Wow it looks so much nicer without the dimming and blur shader in >>8448253

>>8448248
CRT shaders are like irony in visual form. No small wonder they've found acceptance in our spiritually decimated population.

>>8449396
omg so true
upvoted

>>8448732
Looks good to me pa

For me, it's HSM

>>8448253
based

>>8448248
for me, it's snow halation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwvKUDrCho8

>>8449396
we live in a society

>>8449623
love this one, the reflections rape my 1070 though so I use one of the basic presets

>>8449213
this nigga right here

>>8448253
My GPU and CPU arent beefy enough to endure it.

>>8449724
Name one (1) SNES game with more SOVL than Demons's Toothpaste.

>Royale's Reshade port got updated 3 days ago
>Fixed the damn scanlines
We're in the middle of it now, boys.

>CRT television
>"orthogonal grid" instead of hexagonal RGB array
It's not fucking rocket surgery

>>8449396
How?

>>8450005
>CRT-television
that is not a television phosphor layout

>>8448771
>he doesn’t know about crt projectors

ScaleFX Slang AA with final pass replaced with crt easymode.

>>8449213
>>8449249
I'm in two minds about these. They both look good to me

everything in this thread looks terrible

buy a fucking pvm

>>8451208

>>8451208
LOOOKIN' GOOOOOD

>>8451208
This looks nice. I'd like to play around with filters more like this. Instead of trying to emulate a crt, make something unique.

>>8448253
That looks like straight dogshit and like no CRT you ever played on.

>>8451208
>>8451216
my eyes are bleeding

>>8451216
>>8451208

>>8449990
Is that going to be available to retroarch as well?

>>8448248
>curvature

For me, it's simple smoothing and scanlines. The more "authentic" it tries to be, the worse it looks, for me. CRT shaders are just distracting.

I prefer to simulate the end result, not the method of getting there.

I mean, i'm brutally ignorant but, Can i like emulate a consumer tv from the early 2000s?

>>8452519
what i see there is distracting

>>8452519
>I prefer to simulate the end result, not the method of getting there.
gtuv50 does that kinda

It'll always be crt-royale for me

>>8452604
that doesn't look like it

>>8452627
Its not stock. I made a few tweaks.

>>8452638
i can see that
looks like you played with the mask or something

A good test for CRT filters (or any TV) is ninja garden 1 NES. First stage, the wire fence in the back.

You're welcome

hurrr muh phosphors

>>8454430
Just as the developers intended

>>8454430
Finally what the developers intended
They expected you to be playing on some shitty set from the late 70s early 80s with RF, not some faggy super expensive monitor for weathermen

>>8454430
this exemplifies the problems I have with CRT filters. this looks shitty because it's so dark

>>8454526
Get a brighter monitor :^)

>>8454526
Just turn your brightness up lol

>>8448248
I have so many filters that speedup literally does nothing
losing my mind because no matter how much effort you put in, it'll never look perfect

8k monitors when? i'd love to see the individual pixels being made like when you get too close to a crt

>>8454980
You only really need 8K if you want to faithfully emulate a slot mask. 4K is already good enough to emulate an aperture grille.

>>8448248
>sharp pixels with scanlines
dreadful. NTSC filter looks miles better than this pseudo-retro crao,

>>8455107
Great, now you made it look like you hooked up your SNES to your old Dynex TV from 2006. Real improvement, champ.

>>8448551
So the game doesn't look stretched out. You don't see more by screwing up the aspect ratio unless you use a widescreen hack.

>>8449990

Stop lying it hasn't been updated in a long while.

https://github.com/akgunter/crt-royale-reshade

>>8448248
For me, its the parents fighting filter.

>>8454494
>what the developers intended
No

for me, it's interlacing.slang with integer scaling on, running in 640x480 on a consumer CRT PC monitor

>>8455628
Is there a foot imprint one for when dad kicks the TV?

>>8449249
>>8448253

>>8455628
kek

>>8448248
For me it's a real CRT.

Real CRTs don't look like this

>>8455630
>n64 game
your point? did anyone talk about 3D consoles?
old graphics designers had a concumer TV set next to them with a high end PVM or VGA CRT as the main display

>>8455365
It did update, retard. Figure it out.

>>8455926
Stop lying you little bitch!

>>8455078
HOW FUCKING BIG DOES THIS FUCKING MONITOR HAVE TO BE JESUS CHRIST

>>8455365
>>8455938
Why are you posting the outdated git? The updated version is a fork.
I swear people who try to be smart and then fail are the most annoying of the all.

>>8455078
>>8455989
It's not about size or resolution, it's about PPI. 4k is meaningless if it's a 75 inch TV, you're not going to get good results with a shader.
When you're over 400 PPI, you get good results with shaders, specially on OLED, doesn't matter if it's 4k, 8k, etc, only the size/resolution ratio.

>>8455991
You should have said so from the start. You inbred twat!

>>8456117
>>8455989
You're too much of a mouthbreathing, knuckledragging, crayon-eating retard to search the github. You don't deserve even a hint.

>>8452519
vertical > horizontal

>>8455683
>not 1920x480

do you even aspect ratio correction

>>8456484
>>not 1920x480
No reason to use 1920, just go full ham with 3840, you'll always have as perfect as it gets horizontal aspect ratio correction.

>>8455992
Resolution DOES matter if you want to recreate the phosphors on a CRT's mask as faithfully as possible. The more pixels you have to work with, the better you can make the mask pattern.

>>8455683
>consumer CRT PC monitor
too sharp, get a TV or 15khz monitor instead

>>8456490
It matters, sure, but only in the sense of PPI. Even 4k might seem huge, but at 75 inches, a 21 inch 1080p monitor will have more PPI. Just saying "you need 4k or 8k etc" doesn't help if you're not talking about monitor size, instead just use PPI from the start.

>>8456486
Eh, maybe it might matter on super high-end CRT monitors like the Sony GDM-F520 or some such, but on more common 17" or 19" monitors, they most likely can't resolve 1920 anyway. It's what I used on my old 17" Mitsubishi, and it handled all 4:3 aspect corrections I threw at it perfectly.

>>8456501
It's not about resolving it, doesn't matter how high or low end, I'd recommend that on a TV too even if they are low TVL. It's about pixel perfect aspect ratio correction.
CRTs don't know what horizontal resolution is, but the emulator and graphic card does, so you can just increase the horizontal resolution to fit as many multiples of different consoles as possible to always have perfect aspect ratio.

With 640x480 you'll never have the correct aspect ratio, some systems used resolutions higher or lower than half of 640.
There's a reason why it's a well loved feature of RetroArch or even used with standalone emulators.

>>8456527
I know all of that, anon. Are there any resolutions that you know to work better with a 3840-wide resolution than with one that is 1920-wide?

>>8448248
Are there any shaders (or other things) that take advantage of HDR displays?

>>8448248
>>8448732
Here’s what an actual 13” trinitron looks like up close with composite

>>8455630
why do japs look so chimp-like?

>>8456536
You have zero difference between 1920 or 3840 in terms of quality or resolving, both high end and low end CRTs will accept the signal too, 15kHz or 31kHz. All it's used for it aspect ratio correction when it comes to emulators.

>Are there any resolutions that you know to work better with a 3840-wide resolution than with one that is 1920-wide?
Anything that uses a horizontal resolution that you can't divide without fractions. 512, 352, etc.
There's still resolutions at 3840 that won't divide perfectly but at least you'll be much closer to the correct aspect ratio. But you can always go higher, but there's a reason 3840 is the maximum default in the UI for RA for example and 2560 is the default.

Happy holidays, anon.

>>8456539
https://github.com/libretro/slang-shaders/blob/master/crt/crt-yo6-KV-M1420B-sharp.slangp

First of its kind, apparently.

>>8456491
>too sharp
isn't that the goal?
ask a pvmeme owner why did he bought that shit and modified his consoles to output rgb.

>>8456541
of course, even then the actual look of aperture grille phosphors would vary by size of the tube and different TVL counts. For instance pic-related is a 27" trinitron as well. The look is different because the TVL count is higher on this model and because bigger screens result in more distinct scanlines

>>8456618
PVMs are a meme, thick sanlines and blank lines with way too sharp picture, horrible for 240p, decent for 480p though.
The goal is to have fun though, so you do you. I'd say a low TVL concumer set over composite is the best way to enjoy everything from pre 5th gen and 240p 5th gen.

>>8456643
dangerous amounts of cope

>>8456665
Not him but better to cope over not having something than to cope over wasted money.

>>8456671
>wasted
If you buy a PVM/RGB setup and you hate it, you can sell it on. CRTs like that don’t lose value anymore.

>>8455107
Retard, this just looks like gameplay recorded to a vhs.

>>8453307
royale seems to do it best as usual
that's all i got
i need more pixels sorry

>>8456665
What's there to cope? I own a PVM for PS2 and Xbox, even though I don't consider them /vr/ myself.
The PVM is way too sharp for 240p content though.

I'm in Europe, a decent 20 inch PVM can be had for less than 200€. As said, a meme and that' it.

>>8456643
>>8456671
>>8456738
absolutely based

>>8456738
>CRT
>way too sharp
no such thing. arcade cabinets all send video over RGB

>>8456752
Arcade cabinets are also mostly fine with higher TVL count tubes, most acrade games look great over RGB with even 600 TVL or more.
Meanwhile NES or even SNES will look like ass, RGB or not, it's the high TVL of a PVM that makes the biggest difference, thick AG scanlines and sharp cut offs.

Even concumer TV set AG tubes will give a better picture for those old consoles than a PVM. Refer to pic related for an example.

>>8456757
Left looks better, you're a poorfag coping faggot

>>8456757

I prefer left.

>>8456758
>>8456759
As I said, you do you.

>>8456757
So why is, say, arcade Parodius, at 288x224, fine on a high TVL display but not the SNES port?

>>8456762
Source on Parodius using a high TVL CRT in the cabinet? At that time it was mostly concumer tubes.

>>8456762
>>8456769
I think anon might have confused something, arcade cabinets used CRTs for a long time, way after the 80's and early 90's, where high TVL tubes were already in use. Later arcades that actually used high TVL tubes like Metal Slug had artwork that fit a sharper CRT screen. Games like Parodius were far older though and benefited from the lower TVL, since they used a lot of dithering to melt together colours, etc, you can see it if you look up the game on a emulator on a LCD or high TVL CRT.

>>8456752
You don't play console-only released on a fucking arcade cabinet you pedantic faggot.

>>8456774
>>8456769
>>8456785
>>8456785
The obsession with authenticity over fidelity is… well, if it gives you a stiffy then go for it.
I’m not afraid of dithering or screen door effects, and using a shitty cable or monitor to make them blend together usually ends up making everything else look worse.

>>8455150
>>8456731
Don't care.
Compression is a nice aesthetic.

>>8456484
>1920x480
wut
excuse my ignorance but what are the benefits of running the games at that resolution? I personally think it looks fine in its current state and doubt it can look any better.

>>8456491
yeah I prefer the image looking this sharp desu. I always wanted a PVM but never found one in thrift stores, so this is as close as I can get from playing games at strobing 60hz with true blacks in a relatively low resolution with scanlines.

>>8457294
like anon said it has nothing to do with picture quality, it's about aspect ratio correction since most consoles are 240p or very close to it but they can have widely different horizontal resolutions
technically it can also improve quality but you won't notice that, you will notice the wrong aspect ratio though

>>8457294
60Hz on a PC VGA CRT is painful
Same with 120Hz and BFI

>>8456903
Nobody was talking about using a shitty monitor or cable though. Low TVL or composite doesn't mean you have to use a shitty TV or cable.
Nothing to do with authenticity, one objectively looks better, but as long as you're having fun you might as well play on a old LCD, but I don't see the point in paying extra to get a worse picture for this specific content.

>>8455628
arent you going to get cancer if there's a hole in the CRT display

>>8457959
>worse picture
disagree

>>8457975
>>8456757
ok

>>8456757
I love how you can barely even tell that the clothes are red on the left kek

>>8456757
>>8458030
thatis how it's supposed to look tho, even the box art shows the same and the screenshot on the back
PVM's were used to create the games, they look the best on them

>>8458032
Kek the delusions PVM fags tell themselves.

>>8458051
cope

>>8456736
you have never seen a real crt if you think royale looks best, that shit looks horrible and has a shit ton of bloom for some reason, reminds me of playing Oblivion.

>>8448768
This. It just seems natural and 'normal' after a while, and also smooth off some of the dithering they used in many mid 90s games (which really suffer from scaling without some kind of filter or shader)
Some shaders (or settings) are too 'attention grabbing'. Nearest Neighbor scaling with it's jaggy edges is also attention grabbing when fullscreen as well, like it's drawing attention to it's 'blocks'.

>all those "cope" posters
Nobody is even replying to your post but you feel personally attacked enough to just randomly reply "cope" to someone?
Hmm.

>>8458097
of all the shaders and filters royale seems to do it best
of course we're talking about>>8453307
also that's not a 4K screenshot
and yeah that's not an actual crt bucko

>>8458160
>i'm retarded
k

>>8458052
>>8458172
>no arguments except shitposts

>>8458097
You know you can just lower the bloom parameters right, these shaders are very customizable