/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://www.nexusmods.com/quake/mods/7
https://www.moddb.com/mods/violent-rumble

AD MORTEM
Beta thread
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125461-ad-mortem-a-mbf21-halloween-themed-megawad-beta/
Current release
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18le6ho89YT_myg8CiUUk2mw1439zPyyJ/view

=== NEWS ===
[12-24] Alien Vendetta MIDI pack announced
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126485-alien-vendetta-midi-pack-releasing-soon/

[12-23] RC1 of Ozonia is out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103371-rc1-out-ozonia-megawad-boom/

[12-22] Mars3D now has a sourceport
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126060-mars3d-source-port-of-the-game-%E7%B5%82%E6%A5%B5%E6%88%B0%E5%A3%AB-mars-the-ultimate-fighter/

[12-22] xGreed sourceport updated
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/115331-xgreed-source-port-of-the-game-in-pursuit-of-greed/

[12-21] Quake 2022 Preview, includes Dwell Episode 2
https://youtu.be/ARsN0xldnys

[12-19] Elementalism Phase 1 Trailer
https://youtu.be/wtpqv2YmSb4

[12-16] Hell's Christmas, monster pack for GZDoom.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=74168

[12-16] R-Type themed Doom mod teaser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szR9xWcg1U4

[12-14] Sunder map20 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/46002-sunder-map20-appears-finally/

[12-14] Xmas Jam 2021 released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/arcane-dimensions/addons/xmasjam2021

[12-12] Zandronum 3.1 is out
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10437

[12-11] Retroquad 0.10.0 is out, last release of the year
https://twitter.com/mankrip/status/1469681148880109573

[12-10] Patchwork has been cancelled

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>>8453590
>I wish doomworld had shorter links so I could fit more news
you can strip everything past the thread number

>>8453609
Oh my God.

>>8453587
You forgot about DBP37 >>8453373

How do they crank these things out so quickly?

>>8453619
>DBP37
43, even.

>>8453619
Sorry boss, I usually miss things that don't tag the news post. DB is a mapping powerhouse for sure though.
aaaa it's 4:28 AM i'm going to sleep now

>>8452671
Yep, each map has its own author in Realm of Pathoris, but I've played 4 maps so far, and all of them are overcrowded (not necessary a bad thing). The maps style is different, liked all of them for being detailed and using nicely looking textures. Map 4 was interesting, it is kind of "on rails" (still have some backtracking and buildings you can enter), when you are going forward the narrow valley and can see most enemies from far away.

>>8453586

Aww he's sleeping.
Have a good rest Mr Doom

Anyone got a list of new boomer shooters, like Ion Fury, etc?

It's that time of year.

>>8453724

>>8453725
I only now realize I didn't save the cover. Oops.

>>8453698
At least on (gz)Doom engine: Hedon, Rekkr, Vomitureum. And upcoming: Supplice, Selaco, Age Of Hell, Brutal Fate.
Might have forgotten some.

>>8453726

>>8453728

>>8453729

>>8453730

>>8453731
Merry Christmas, retro FPS thread.

Tarnsman listed map from HFFM and Ad Mortem in his top-10 of the year.

>>8453783
Where is this list?

>>8453786
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126265-your-10-favorite-maps-of-the-year/?tab=comments#comment-2431741

>>8453783
based, Heart Attack really deserved all the praise it got

name 10 games other than doom and serious sam you could make a fun and functional slaughter map in
by that, i mean the way the enemy ai works + the manner in which enemies attack + how the enemies compliment each other + how your guns function all somehow manage to form a challenging yet fair experience when there's a bajillion things on screen at once
protip: you can

Any Xmas/winter wads or maybe retro FPS that have Xmas/winter chapters?
(I now there was that Doom wad that's like 500 gb - yeah, my PC can't take it)

>>8453870
H2H-Xmas is a well-known wad.

>>8453783
>>8453789
I have no idea who lunchlunch is, but he also listed HFFM and Ad Mortem. I know 4chan has a touchy reputation so it makes me happy that at least one person likes what we've put out.

>>8453901
Looks kinda retarded to be honest. I'd like to still feel essentially Doom.

>>8453905
To be fair trying to look like Doom and Christmas at the same time is a tall order.

Still my favorite. The house is comfy.

Another goodie.

>>8453909
Totally. But I'd love to play that 50 terrabyte wad, from the screenshots I saw they did it right

>>8453586
Anon was faster than i

Last year's OP

>>8453912
>satisfying mazes
You guys know any?

>>8453650
Worlds worst christmas present.

Is there a WAD that mostly focuses on melee weapons only?

>>8453946
Plutonia map11

>>8453912
>pissing eternity
oooooh much better

>>8453870
There are many Christmas/winter Doom wads, you can find them by just searching for the keywords on idgames archive.

Hexen 2 expansion pack (Portal Of Praevus). Snowy medieval village and snowy Tibetan temples.
Daikatana episode 3. Snowy medieval castles. Its actually enjoyable, unlike the horrible episode 1.
Duke Nukem Nuclear Winter. It fucking blows overall, but the first 2 maps are Christmas remixes of original Duke 3D maps which are pretty fun.

>>8453921
What massive wad are you guys talking about?

>>8454003
Hellforged isnt focused on melee but its got a really beefy melee starting weapon.

Epicus is an old 00s ZDoom wad thats mainly melee.

There was a really cool TC called Onslaught, but they only released one demo level.

>>8453732
>Duke brought over Serious Sam
based bros

>>8453732
wholesome

>>8453727
Selaco looks so fucking amazing

>>8453859
Slaughter maps aren't fun in any engine. They're boring.

>>8453870
Like the other guy said, Duke Nukem : Nuclear Winter. It's kinda crappy but alright.

Not *first person* but Max Payne 1 is very wintery.

Die Hard Nakatomi Plaza

>>8453732
Merry Christmas!

>>8454072
My gripe with Selaco is the purple blood. Like what the hell ? Kind of takes the grittiness out of the action imo which is a shame because otherwise it is looking good.

Said the marine to his squad leader,
Do you hear what I hear
Do you hear what I hear
Cackling in the night squad leader?
Do you hear what I hear
Do you hear what I hear
A vile a vile! cackling in the night he will bring us revives and fright
He will bring us revives and fright.

Merry Christmas, /vr/!

Clint got for gift something deemed impossible to exist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6S_6VRtzjU

also from the screenshots, the weapon sprites looks good

>>8454094
what kinda beer do barny have?

>>8453732
Do you have the one with the Cyberdemon exploding and Doomguy cleaning the blood off his visor? Tried looking for it but only getting stuff related to the new game.

>>8454232

>>8454236
Thanks for the spoonfeed my man. Merry Christmas.<span class="fortune" style="color:#2dfc53">

Your fortune: Your heart grew three sizes![/spoiler]

>>8454095
Are archangels still a thing, can they still happen? When I got into HD in 2019, running into one was very much like a christmas present.

I reinstalled quakespasm and made it launch through Quake(original) -glquake on steam. How do I make it run my config.cfg and autoexec.cfg files?

>>8454283
Yeah, you get them by breaking invulnerability spheres.

>>8454296
Do archviles still have a chance to be one? That’s the important part for me.

Cyber virgins kneel to Spiderchads
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126483-how-well-do-doom-2-monsters-infight-an-experiment-analysis/

>>8454302
They never did. That could only happen if your blues converted one, but that's been fixed and you can only convert lower-health enemies now.

What a shame.

Oh no no no no Spider bros we got too cocky on -fast

Is there a good overhaul mod for SWAT 4?
Just a graphical overhaul, not wanting to take away from a more vanilla experience

>>8453587
Protip for the future, you can strip out a lot of those extraneous numbers which Doomworld sometimes generates for threads, along with the written title, and just short it down to the first series of numbers.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126060-mars3d-source-port-of-the-game-%E7%B5%82%E6%A5%B5%E6%88%B0%E5%A3%AB-mars-the-ultimate-fighter/

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126060

KISSU MY ASS<span class="fortune" style="color:#aad001">

Your fortune: You're on the naughty list![/spoiler]

>>8454401
I should read the thread before posting.

Been playing Ashes 2063 the past week. Pretty fun, but the junk mechanic seems pretty eh, I'm playing on Survival and you get so little resources for what feels like comparatively a lot of junk that I just rather save it.

>>8454090
How does that oatmeal fuck even compare to Duke.

I’m remembering Christmas 2019 when I tried setting up a holiday UT server and it completely fell apart, and then another anon came in and set up a zandro server to salvage it

Good times

>>8453586
I have purchased a VPS for use for our Friday and Sunday servers. Merry Christmas, anons.

>>8454393
I was actually thinking it would be cool if someone did that

>>8454472
Secret hunting gets you far in that game, I think all I ever bought in the first episode was the rifle and a drink. I was flush with ammo by the end, despite playing on survival, it helps that the crowbar is so strong.

I'm almost halfway through Descent 2 (played through Chocolate Descent).
Overall, I like it less than Descent 1 I would say.
There's plenty of things it does better, like holy shit double the resolution, afterburner, headlight, etc.
But 4 midi tracks vs 13 industrial ones for 30 levels, "Themed" solar systems, weapon bloat, more confusing levels (I never got lost in Descent 1 but it happened once or twice in Descent 2) + "mandatory" secrets, the way secret levels are handled, less memorable robots, easier homers and difficulty in general make it hard to enjoy it as much.
I still really like it and Vertigo looks awesome as well. I heard it has Descent 1 enemies including Drillers, is that true?

>>8454393

>>8454309
poor zombieman

>>8454334
Well, I guess being fast doesn't help someone who already fires constantly.

>>8454693
What game

>>8454750
Ion Fury

>>8454334
CyberCHADS I kneel

>>8454741
i thought -fast increased hitscanner firerate but apparently not
so it basically has no effect whatsoever on masterminds

>>8454393
Perfect.

>>8454780
It does for the zombies.

>>8454780
Wouldn’t you have realized this while playing?

HexMas 2018 pack is a good match for a christmas day.

What's a good overhaul for Hexen? Wrath of Cronos?

>>8454316

>>8453859
Left 4 Dead

>>8453859
Heretic slaughter could be fun if designed around tomed dragon claw and hellstaff.

>>8455034
A Heretic mod where you're constantly tomed-up but enemies attack in ridiculous numbers could be fun

Merry Christmas guys, just played some Whitemare 2 with the Final Doomer weapons. It's not a xmas wad, but it sure feels like one with all the snow.

>>8454941
The big 3D castle map in that wad is fucking crazy.

>>8454334
>mastermind vs SS
>99.99%

>>8454309
CYBERKEKS BTFO.

>>8453912
>gay I'm

>>8454941
Where can I find this?

>>8453859
ut2004 invasion

>>8454780
-fast makes reaction times and windups quicker, so even if the full auto cyclic rate is the same, they do still receive a benefit

is bloodgdx still the go to port for Blood?

>>8455271
it's pretty much down to personal preference between gdx or nblood

how do you get nblood? been using raze for a while. >>8455274

>>8455308
https://github.com/nukeykt/NBlood
but if you're using raze, its blood module is based on nblood anyway so there's not much reason to switch

>>8455308
Here
https://lerppu.net/wannabethesis/

So this is the power of NEXTSTEP...

>>8455341
Truly this is the NeXT STEP.

>>8455432
>you turn 360 degrees around then take the NeXT STEP away from it

>>8455457
Do not disparage the father of Mac OS X.

>>8455460
Sorry Mr. Jobs.

Someone should make a WAD where instead of shooting the demons you sneeze in their mouths.

>>8454780
I think -fast reduces mandatory walking distance before firing to zero, which doesn't help those who fire continuously like chaingunners, masterminds and arachnotrons (Still help them react instantly to your presence, which isn't useful during testing).
It much more useful to those who have normal walk a bit-shoot-walk a bit pattern, as it eliminates walk a bit part.

>>8455618
Nobody is stopping you, anon.

In the mood for some classic official stuff from Raven/ ID.
Which should I play?

>>8455160
Map pack:
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=62375
Wrath of Cronos (optional):
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=35846
I am playing with Hunter, it is kind of an easy mode, because main bow gives you a good damage even without blue mana. I generally ignore WoC RPG system only upping Agility and passive shooting skill.

>>8455752
Heretic E3

>>8455752
Hexen.

Any of y'all have some experience with DEHEXTRA or Dehacked in some way? I'm trying to set up ambient sounds but for some reason the sounds don't seem to be playing?
(image related)

>>8455917
I never got what the blue balls to the left of the text were meant to do in NP++

>>8455928
They're bookmarks.

>>8454753

They should ditch the expansion and do a sequel now with a better Shelly and better villain.

hey what are some new wads today?

>>8453903
>I know 4chan has a touchy reputation
Ten years ago maybe.

wish i had an easier way to do this

>>8456039
That would take even longer and the writing would still be terrible. This smells like that one anon wondering why these indie and strictly first person games using sprites don’t have at least three player skins to choose from.

Finally got REKKR on Steam, wanted to buy Wrath too, but found that I already have it

>>8453859
the Earth Defense Force games

>wow, this mod for DN3D is pretty good, I'm having fun
>half-way through whole thing
>a new level starts, ready to kick ass
>fps drop to less than single digits
>repeats every 20 seconds
>settings do literally nothing about it
Yay, woo, fuck you and merry whatever.

>>8456062
Everyone is playing it, but still I had a good time with sunder map 20, by far my favorite sunder map.

Hacx 2.0 finished when?

He's right you know
https://sites.google.com/site/psxdriverplayerssite/My-stuff/Doom

>>8456336
Never.

>>8456389
But we need perfection

>>8456395
Considering that 2.0 beta was a downgrade, I doubt that we'd get perfection all of a sudden.

Been playing No Rest For The Living on my phone with a controller. Analog movement is nice and smooth, it's lots of fun managing revenants balls especially.
Analog stick turning doesn't feel any better than keyboard turning, and it might feel worse.

>>8456431
im pretty sure that app has gyro aim if you want something more mouse-like.

>>8456431
>green cross
why don't you replace the unity iwads with the original ones?

>>8456431
the snow effect on the website makes screenshots look like it's snowing in them

>>8456156
>REKKR
Cannot believe I never knew about REKKR, thank you based anon

>>8456217
EDF 6 lookin hype

>>8456239
what mod was it?

>>8456091
>Ten years ago maybe.
nine out of every ten normies reflexively associate this site with neonazis after 2017 dude.

>>8453586

Hate to be that guy but will somebody AT LEAST make Ad Mortem beatable on UV before the Xmass season is over ?

>>8456571
its beatable,wdym?

Ok, I'm going to start making a new map tomorrow and it will end with a big metal cube full of zombiemen.

>>8456580
Don't respond to bait.

I never played any ‘completely new standalone game made in GZDoom engine’ before. Do you still need GZDoom to play them or they come with standalone exe file?

>>8456902
no, usually they just come prepackaged with a copy of GZDoom

https://forums.duke4.net/topic/7314-doom-corner/page__st__330
neat

Why is the UAC like this?

>>8456964
It's obviously a parody of the US government and its countless illegal dealings/war crimes regarding private military contractors, detainment centres and torture.

SNS tonight?

>>8456992
No

Would partial invis be good if it prevented rev missiles from tracking you?

What are some good level wads that use a lot of custom textures?

>>8456996
That would be a massive step up, but it would still be kinda useless.

>>8457051
Any DBP (Doomer Boards Project)

>>8455102
I'm dying to know what freak accident let a wolfenstein ss win and skew the results by a decminal

>>8457260
Momma probably got stuck.

>>8457260
Hold up doesn't the Doom prng table only have 256 numbers? Wouldn't there only 256 different ways a fight between monsters plays out without player input depending on where the pointer starts out from? How did the SS trooper go beyond the impossible and squeeze out a 0.01% chance victory which is a smaller increment than should be possible?

>>8457270
I could tell you, but first, we need to talk about parallel universes.

>>8457260
>>8457270
german superiority can manipulate rng
this man later went on to survive rabies twice and become a UAC coin quadrillionaire

Have you guys tried HL signal lost?

Demo is up I didnt knew. Its cool I guess.

A longer weirder reimagining of Uplink with beta assets, I dont know if the guy wants to be true or just do his own shit. Its weird he uses certain beta stuff.
The delay on some weapons pisses me off a bit, also glad they made canceling better in the retail version.
But some weapons are cool the new mp5 sounds nice.

The minigun soldier is really dumb glad they change dhe tone in the end.

One of the first toilet sectors.

how much does mouselook break rekkr?
it could be exactly the same, but the autoaim feels a lot less reliable than in doom, and i'm so used to having a vertical axis in fps games that my positioning when turning is always a little off so it's real easy to miss the skinny targets.
are there encounters where it'd trivialize the experience, or does it stay relatively balanced regardless?

>>8455753
You should try Realms Of Cronos. Its another ZDoom community project for Hexen.

any other (unmodded) games/difficulty settings that call you a retard and tell you to go fuck yourself
i want more pain

>>8457570
Black plague possesses thee.

Why aren't there more games like Halo Combat Evolved and F.E.A.R? I played all these fucking boomer shooters and I only liked Opposing Force. I don't want to play psuedointellectual immersive sim shit and I don't want to play farcry clones.

>>8457587
Go play Delta Force and Rainbow Six or something.

>>8457604
oh right that's a good idea. hopefully by the time I get bored of that there will be some halo modded content or whatever. cheers.

>>8457260
I kind of wish he would have recorded it, but at the same time it would probably be shitloads of footage to roll through.

>>8457260
There is a tiny chance she consistently gets stunned before firing, but the chaingunner shoots twice as fast. What's this table from?

>>8457427
I've started REKKR with mouselook and gzdoom thinking it is just another total conversion. But quickly switched to PrBoom with only horizontal mouselook realizing, that it is genuine Doom experience. Like I won't play original (non brutal) Plutonia with full mouselook. So dunno how broken it is with vertical, but it feels better without it.

>>8457427
vMouselook isn't necessary, but there are a couple of bits in E1 that to me felt like you basically had to look up and down to work out they exist. You can use KB vertical look for those, though.

>>8457570
Descent 1 on anything above hotshot.

>>8457570
kingpin probably
unpatched daikatana

94 protons when?

>>8458029
never ever >>8448580

Doom 2 sucks.

>>8458026
are those hard in the "everything kills you in less than a second" kind of way or the "nothing works properly and everything takes a century to kill" kind of way

>>8458056
kingpin has hitscanners that melt your armor in a second if you give them a chance (the price of mistakes basically forces you to never use shotgun or grenades). there are also long tunnels that they can snipe you across, and I think their refire on some guns is faster than yours.
unpatched daikatana had limited saves, there are lots of tiny and/or jerky enemies, and your own weapons hurt you half the time.

>>8458048
we know

Hey faggots, post your gameplay. I wanna see your shitty gameplay.

>>8457587
>fps post 00
CRINGE

>>8458048
>>8458089
Actual retards.

>>8458124
yeah i just didn't like doom 2 that much
good enemies though

>>8458120

>>8458029
>>8458038
Make that February.

>>8458048
No it doesn't. Out of 32 levels, only like 6 are below average, and only like 3 are outright bad.

>>8457373
Thats the face doomguy makes when he shidding.

>>8458120
my gameplay is me saving after every fight and every time i open a door and whenever i find a key or shift something around in my inventory
i swear it's not cause i'm bad i just have holes in my brain and get lost very easily

>>8458183
At least you're not saving after making no progress and losing some health, right?

>>8458206
no i save on 1 hp intentionally to balance things out

>>8453587
https://www.moddb.com/mods/exorcist/downloads/exorcist-full-version
Exorcist for Hexen

>>8457427
I don't use freelook, but I do enable crosshair snapping because I want to know that auto aim is actually attempting to hit certain creatures.

>>8457570
Descent 1 like that other anon said

***NEW TUROK MAP***

And it's fucking great.
Create a folder called "mods" in your Turok folder and drop this level file in there and start the game


https://www.mediafire.com/file/jy3ktg45uifv9an/JungleOutskirts.kpf/file

>>8458232
Looks cool

>>8457319
What do you think of Black Mesa: Blue Shift?

>>8458495
Did they finish black mesa blue shift already?

I dont know it will probably be like regular black mesa. Like the extra detail, hate the fucking engine and its janky animations. Kinda ruined soldiers.

>>8458207
Based

>>8458495
more like blue SHIT am i right folks

>>8458120
I forgot that Babel gave these guys a melee

>>8458136
Is that Pinky autistic?

>>8458562
Just a little afraid of needlegun.

is there a randomizer mod that fucks with your muscle memory and gamesense
like some enemies are normal, some are fastmonsters, some are nightmare monsters, some have rng disabled, some continue firing endlessly even when line of sight is broken, some have infighting immunity, some always deal max damage rolls, some have more or less pain chance than usual, etc

Is he right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA-TJxkgZuU

>>8458531
yes actually

>>8458663
Facts about vanilla check out, but about whether it is still Doom is debatable.
Like, it's more about how much you are willing to stretch definition of the word Doom. Are standalone TCs still Doom? Are ZDoom games still Doom? Is Hexen Doom?
I get that his point was more about apparent elitism about source port of choice and modding being justified by saying that it's closer to the original, which is silly indeed, but I'd say that he stretches it too far at the end.

>>8457319
It’s visually impressive and aiming for Xash3D is a good idea, but you’re right, whoever’s making it has issues sticking to an idea. Does it want to recreate the HL betas? Does it want to do its own thing? Why does it have Quake secrets?

The cut draw and holster animations on the guns slow things down a lot, but maybe that’s intended.

>>8458764
I would prefer if he used the original HL models not the high res ones.
I like the new mp5 sounds and model but remove the slow animations while changing.


I dont understand the beta shit.


Then again its fine, Dark Matter will be that, signal lost it does put you the vanilla" black mesa distress" mood and 90s demoing. I like that.
I would honestly love a bigger HL 1 reimagining with bigger areas and cut content but in the OG engine just nuts with detail like Echoes. Black Mesa is too meh for me.

>>8453586
Love this fucking game. For the last 15 years it feels like I've been becoming a super player, capable of everything.

Only thing I wanna know is now, is it even POSSIBLE to beat original Doom on UV fast?
I know nightmare is a joke difficulty, so not even gonna try it.

Watching MiB Cartoon atm
Season 4 Alpha design fits perfectly as a Q2 and Q4 Boss, as he fits as Season 3 fits as a Doom boss enemy type.

How feasable are vehicles in Doom that aren't sprites?
Has there ever been attempts at multiplayer modes where players controll large vehicles for a race?

>>8458815
There are definitely Zandronum mods with model vehicles, but I haven’t played them in so long I’ve forgotten the names.
Pretty sure theres a version of brutal doom that has 3D tanks.

>>8458541
That is just fucking perverse. Imagine a pain elemental with a caco bite, jesus.

>>8458829
Imagine if the pain elemental shot a single mancubus fireball after the vanilla lost soul limit is reached.

>>8458839
That's fucking evil.
I love it.

>>8458839
sounds like a good solution to make them not useless if you have the limit on.
even if it is evil.

who the fuck plays with lost soul limit anymore though

>>8458803
I like the between the "militarized cyborg" style in Quake 2 and the more "improvised" look that happened to the crew in both System Shocks.
>>8458829
>>8458839
The archviles are fun, too.

Is it true?

>>8458862
me, because fuck trying to clean up 60 lost souls because the mapper put 5 elementals 50 meters out

Who else plays on a small laptop in bed?

>>8458123
I was born post 00. I'm in your threads. I might just be your favorite poster too.

Elexis poster where art thou?

Ive been playing HD with a obsidian campaign but the maps are getting kinda samey. any recommendations for maps. maybe something with a hub like doomrpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARsN0xldnys
13 mins of Quake related updates for 2022.
>>8453587

>"""TC""" reuses assets from the base game
>"""TC""" just reskins everything and adds new levels while barely changing anything else

>>8459428
>"""TC""" is a mishmash of R667 assets and sprites from other games without rotations

is there a megawad made by people who have never finished the original game or used a map maker before
i ask both literally and figuratively

>>8458727
>>8458663
That's my issue with it. There are tons of GZDoom mods that are so far removed from Doom gameplay they're barely recognizable as Doom.

>>8459428
Name three.

>>8458541
>>8458868
What's Babel? Looks fun.

>>8459823
https://babel-mod.neocities.org/

1. What website should I visit if I want to learn about TC-level WAD making
2. What website should I release my WAD to gain maximum publicity
Is Doomworld answer for both question?

This is a neat little WAD. The first ep was rather plain but it really picks up on the second and third parts because of some great combat scenarios and map designs. I've been playing some older WADs recently, as I only got into Doom properly this year, having since cleared all the officially release content. Probably gonna focus on Memento Mori next.

What are some other cool WADs from the late-90s/early-00s?

>>8460021
More like zdoom forums.

>>8457427
There are two switches I can think of that you can shoot out of sequence. But they won't soft lock you or anything.
Other than that just some minor visuals.

I bought Quake on steam and I'm not sure if I like the changes to Nightmare difficulty or not. No fast monsters as far as I can tell, but it caps your health to 50 instead.

>>8460079
Brotherhood of Ruin is pretty good, great looking architecture with a big focus on managing your resources.

>>8460079
alien vendetta is probably one of the first truly amazing .WADs
levels like misri halek still hold up even today.

whats your source port of choice for DOOM? i started using Woof! and i like it so far

>>8459132
Me. :3

>>8459132
used to have a cheap windows 10 tablet with a keyboard gotten on clearance that browsed the web and ran zandronum just fine. I think after falling asleep and it falling off the bed too many times it stopped taking a charge and I dunno if I can fix it. Shame, I really did like the thing.

>>8458663
>>8458727
doom is seen as a "platform" because of mods and ports, which can almost overwrite it as a "game with its own identity"
it's like looking at mario romhacks and thinking "mario is anything"

>doomguy running noises in the distance

>>8460767
I didn’t like the port but I liked the idea so I got into the Copper mod.

>>8460767
the only way to make quake interesting is to have nightmare speed monsters
halved health doesn't matter if nothing can hit you, all it does is cripple your ability to rocket jump
stupid stupid stupid change

>>8458123
FEAR is a good game. Crack and sip.

>>8461190
It’s probably as good as a post-2000s shooter could get. With its fun shooting and AI you get linear levels with plenty of downtime and an overwhelming majority of your kills will be on the same soldier enemy template.
>>8461168
I’d imagine it makes way more sense as a console release, where most gamepad players can’t make immediate and proper use of a rocket jump anyways.

>>8461210
>>8461190
i recently beat FEAR,it was pretty good,the AI on the soldiers was amazing (easily one of the best ive seen),but that's it,at the end if the day,its just a few guys,making the overall roster weak.

also,just for >>8461210,with gyro aim,(which is in the ps4/5 and switch versions and kinda PC),a rocket jump on a controller should be relatively easy.
you could also put jump to the left trigger if you want it to be even easier.

>>8461231
I agree with you, the bullet time is cool, but I have much more fun playing max payne or other fps from the same era like say condemned or the darkness.

Fear is very simple and I dislike the characters. If that makes sense.

>>8461231
>a rocket jump on a controller should be relatively easy.
I don’t doubt it, I just doubt the average gamepad player who’ll have a harder time peeling their aim away from their aim assist

>>8453912
>add easier areas

>>8461259
ah yeah true,though i think its disabled with the gyro.

>>8461210
>It’s probably as good as a post-2000s shooter could get.
Painkiller?

>>8453586
>4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games (pre-configured):
>https://mega.nz/folder/CldGAahb#yn_8LkRHraywPgKJMp5pqA
4CHAN DOSPACK version 1.4F (partial win98 folder) 11 Sept 21 was latest change

Someone update this for 2022 when the new year kicks in.

>>8461336
Alt fires are nice, environment variety is nice, and separate volume controls for ambient music and combat music is genius, but I otherwise find the gameplay in the Serious Sammy games to be superior for that “post-2000s shooter” spot.
2004 was a pretty dark year for them, though, so I have to give Painkiller some more credit here for not being Halo 2, Half Life 2, or Doom 3.

>enable fastmonsters
>these guys instagib you
wtf i love this game now

question to anyone that played eviternity, is there a bug with the secret exit on map 15? When I enter it, I get the "player died" message twice and then just reloads a save.

>>8461336
painkiller's base campaign is a wonderful experience, but way too easy throughout even on trauma
battle out of hell is even better but similarly easy, spare a few tricky sections and 2 bullshit rail shooter sequences that require you to get secret health and armor to not die
overdose is alright but flipflops between easier than the base game and holy fucking shit why would you design something like this
the rest don't exist

My God when I think Ashes is going to end it keeps going. this is legit full videogame content right here. Deserves more money than shitty hedon.

The expanded enemy roster is also nice, the shield enemies are nice to fight and dangerous.

Even if there is an easter egg for hedon in ashes

>>8461459
afterglow is that much of an improvement over 2063?
regardless i think you'd have to get rid of all the doom sprites and recolored shadow warrior ninjas to sell it

>>8461491
Yes, bigger more complex maps. The first one was already nice but clearly a beta of sorts

>>8461410
It should work fine, as countless players have beaten each map deathless. Which port are you using?

>>8461346
>Someone update this for 2022 when the new year kicks in.
Wdym? Based DOS Anon left those as a gift for us. He already put the games he wanted to in them IIRC, meaning no more updates

>>8458862
Everyone playing on Crispy Doom, or vanilla or limit-removing compatibility

>>8461459
How's the performance? Can it run on a shitty laptop?

>>8461510
I have no idea.

>>8461401
Is that Rekker?

>>8461519
rekkr? more like gayyr lmao

>>8461519
yeah
i thought the sorrows were weak and felt bad for them which is what prompted me to turn on fastmonsters and then i got instantly cornered and rekkt by a mean husk
i have decided this is the intended way to play

>>8461530
>i thought the sorrows were weak and felt bad for them
You thought the arrows were weak, and you felt bad that you couldn't hit with them?

How do we solve the Civvie Problem?

>>8461535
sorrows are the big red heads that shoot a volley of tiny revenant projectiles
they tickle unless rng fucks you over

>pitch Hideous Destructor to a friend to play something tactical
>uhhh crouching and leaning every corner doesn't look tactical, there's ghost recon and arma for that
>no one can appreciate the fun of going tactical against supernatural forces
>I'm mad to this day

Anyway, has anyone tried to play HD in VR? Does that even work? It sounds like a wet dream.

>>8461612
just play xcom or jagged alliance

>>8461618
Why you gotta be like that man...

>>8461501
zandronum 3.0

>>8461612
Your friend is a big fucking wiener. Be sure to ridicule him whenever possible

>>8461667
I don't blame him too much. If you want to find out more about it, you're bound to come across youtube vids of Icarus et al. going "zomg this is so hard, you have to lean and crouch at EVERY single corner and reassemble every 4.22 mag!", which does project a terrible image.
HD is a hard sell.

>>8461679
I think HD is an easy sell. You just need to focus on the more ridiculous aspects of it. Matt himself describes it as Ghosts n Goblins meets Ghost Recon and that's still the most accurate comparison.
HD also has the best take on the Plasma Gun I've seen in any other mod. Hands down. I'd still say it has the most intense take on Berserk kits too but the more recent nerfs to it make it less fun to use due to the harsher comedown.
Plus leaning is fucking useless, don't use leaning except to power crawl.

>>8461690
>the best take on the Plasma Gun
I still have no idea how to use it so I don't...

>>8461742
It's more simple than you might think. Just put the beam on a surface near the thing you want to make really dead, squeeze the trigger and laugh as everything blows up. The real trick comes from knowing how close you can ignite it near yourself without dying in the process.
The altfire scatter beam mode is really good at tearing shit up at mid-range, just don't use it in close quarters or you'll cook yourself too.

The Thunderbuster is a fucking amazing weapon.

>>8461742
point at a spot on the level geometry, hold the fire button, watch things die

>>8461690
HD is a blast. Tons of ideas on how to use even in other engines or settings

It would be the ultimate survival horror probably.

What are some wads beatable in earnest with HD?
I savescummed my way through Doom 1, but 2 stonewalled me with Refuelling Base. I don't think Plutonia or TNT would be a good fit either.

>>8461612
>going tactical against supernatural forces
an uncommon but acquired taste

>>8461786
Diablos Ex, Kuchitsu, and Chainworm Kommando are good as babby's first WADs to solo in HD.

>>8461786
The amount of wads that are beatable "in earnest" with HD increases drastically when you don't limit yourself to UV monster spawns.

>>8461628
Make sure you have "dead player can exit" maybe. This seems to be a problem in some ports because they use death exits on certain levels to make episodes.

>>8461786
I get filtered by Refueling Base too, it always ends up in a 20 minute ordeal trying to fend off half the map at spawn

>>8461787
Why is the cast of Pawn Stars fighting supernatural forces?

>>8461967
where would that option be?
But anyway, that's the third death exit, and those worked fine

>>8461987
Buy and find out TODAY!

Why isn't TNT2 out yet?

>>8462051
Why are you locked in the bathroom?

>>8462112
you talkin to me?

I wanted to get one more update for my violent rumble map (ct.map) since the quaddicted release isn't out yet. Its a very minor update that fixes some stuck enemies and weird geometry. I considered making more drastic changes in response to feedback but I figured it's a bit late to make such big changes. Nonetheless, it'll be useful for any of my future quake maps.
https://mega.nz/file/D2Ii1R6T#srcr0k00q6zQVH93dbij2ZA-Av7sUZTucp7qwVxqWXs

>>8462131
Thanks anon.
>but I figured it's a bit late to make such big changes.
The update is still going to take me awhile longer due to IRL autism (maybe 2 weeks not counting testing?) so if you really want to do more go ahead. I'm halfway inclined to give Shub's Wager another pass as well, but idk.

That being said, I think I'm about happy with these grapple and jump boot icons. I've also got a basic HUD style toggle working, though with just one variant for now (ammo moved to bottom, powers still at top).

>>8460904
Probably a bad contact somewhere, if you dont care much about it and got time to spare, open it up and use a multimeter to check for continuity on different parts of the pcb, starting with the charging port and battery, but if you can't solder you won't be able to do much anyway.
Best of luck.

>>8458491
Sweet, more Turok stuff

>playing Duke 3D
>wonder why I just heard a Doom imp
>mfw

>>8459115
Name three examples of maps that do this

>>8462364
>play Quake
>did I just hear a fucking Pig Cop?

Is it possible to make a stealth/Thief - TDP type level in Doom?

>>8462692
>play Half Life
>MARANAX INFERMUX

>>8462946
>play old stalker builds
>hear Caleb screaming on fire and cultists yelping mixed in with ambient sound effects

>>8462971
id unironically shit myself if i heard blood cultists in a horror game.

>>8462692
There's a scene in the Men in Black movie where a cat growls and it's the same sound byte as the zombies from Quake
The cat isn't even an alien either

>>8463082
If that is sound i think it is its everywhere. Alvina in dark souls, also Viktoria in Thief. Its a menacing demonic like growl.

Its think the pitch in quake is different.

>>8462934
Not without writing a bunch of shit for proper sound propagation and detailed lighting and shadows. Even GZDoom has issues with stealth levels. The better question is why not make it for Dark Engine which already has that work done.

>>8463127
Well the thing is I just want a few stealth levels or mechanics in a regular shooter. I like changing up the level design in between maps - give players a break and opportunity to advance the story in different ways. Like fuck I kinda want a Deus Ex town like experience too with lots of NPCs you can talk to & explore.

The question then would be is can dark engine be made into a shooter more easily. Or maybe I should just look at modding Deus Ex.

>>8463136
>can dark engine be made into a shooter more easily
I think that's called System Shock 2.

>>8463143
Whoops.

>>8462364
>chug lemon juice with cayenne pepper
>stomach makes imp idle sounds

>Doom, huh? It sure lives up to its name.
>How come?
>Playing it made me wish for my doom!
>DOHOHOHOHO

Which source port is the closest to vanilla Doom?
I installed GZDoom to get rid of Ultimate Doom’s annoying Bethesda intro and menu but mouselook and improved jump kinda taint the experience a bit here and there.

>>8463510
Chocolate Doom is as close to vanilla as possible.

>>8463510
crispy DOOM and DOOM retro are good places to start.

>>8463510
No need to use a different source port. You can just turn off jumping, crouching and freelook (remember to turn autoaim on) in the options menu.

>>8463510
Chocolate Doom strives to be as accurate to the Vanilla engine as possible, right down to the 320x200 screen resolution, bugs and map limitations. It does have options to disable the savegame and demo limits, for the player's convenience, but thats about it.

Crispy Doom is a good choice for a "vanilla"-ish vibe. Screen resolution is doubled with a widescreen option, and map limitations are gone so limit-removing maps work here.

DSDA-Doom and Woof are also good choices if you want support for Boom/MBF(21) mapsets, and also have complevels. DSDA-Doom featuring much higher screen resolutions, and hardware rendering. Woof is somewhat like Crispy Doom.

>>8463535
>>8463568
Sounds like I’ll use the Crispy Doom then. Thanks /vr/os.

>spend last 5 minutes trying to get back into GldSrc mapping just for fun
>wonder why a bunch of brushes break
>have to search up and re-realize concave brushes are not permitted
>everything more complex than a brick has to be clipped into tris, adjusted to fit the grid
>Hammer has some pretty rigid and fiddly user interface quirks
>texturing is kind of a pain in the ass.
Haven't mapped for Quake, but I assume there's similar quirks?

>>8464190
depends. no concave brushes is a universal thing.
trenchbroom is pretty good at not allowing illegal brushes though, so it's more predictable than e.g. hunting down zero-volume stuff.
once you go way off grid you might get errors (missing faces or pass-through geometry), snapping to grid usually fixes things.

Carl's DOOM and DOOM II levels are such absolute shit. The more I play them, the less fun they get.

How come Dark Stormtroopers were supposed to be this big threat in the games but they're total pussies that you gank left and right in all the Dark Forces games?

>>8461551
They're only particularly dangerous in numbers.
I wouldn't play with fast monsters due to the husks, but more power to you. They cover like a football field of travel in scant few seconds with fast monsters on.

>>8463223
Romero and Carmack been real silent since this dropped

>>8464470
>They cover like a football field of travel in scant few seconds with fast monsters on.
i love that though
how else are you supposed to make melee enemies in doom dangerous if they don't zigzag at light speed and no sell your entire health bar upon contact and sometimes take twice as long to kill
it's a wonderful reaction speed test in close quarters

ashes 2063 mutants are also hilarious with fastmonsters

>>8464470
>>8464628
Yeah, I just tried it and fast monsters is lots of fun.
I'm not sure if I'm good enough for Wrecker though.
I started to enjoy less enemies, but faster monsters recently.
I feel like more .wads should be made that way as an alternative to UV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWJJyAYyLDw

Hi guys. I play on gzdoom and I was wondering if there was a way to automatically turn off the flag for autoaim and set the fov to 120 instead of having to do it yourself in the console every single level.

Is Trenchbroom simply the best tool to make oldschool FPS levels with?

>>8465528
talking of that what do people use these days to make half life levels?

the same hammer wtv one?

BF_THUD sucks

I'm thinking about hiring someone to make the levels for my retro FPS. Have any of you ever done commissioned work like that? Around how much would you charge on average per level?

>>8458136
Look at him go

>>8465437
You make an autoexec config file with a bunch of console commands typed into it

>>8458136
>this is playing in the background
>https://youtu.be/tmyeG6Foz84

What's a good wad around the diff level of Sunlust HMP? I'm not ready to step up yet.

Nice Signal lost soldiers actually do something that always kinda bothered me in HL vanilla, they fire in full automatic instead of the burst fire from the original that honestly its kinda cool but wish they went full auto sometimes.


man I love the soldiers from HL, I find them so awesome its the no bullshit radio coms? The fact that they hold their own against aliens pretty well.

We should have gotten more mods with them. Opfor is alright for its time but I dont like that much.

Goddamn I love DOOM and Quake
How do I get fmvs to work for Tomb Raider II? From the mega.

>>8466073
Best outfit in the series in 2.

Played them recently I think only the first is really awesome. It keeps it simple, its all about exploration and from a time you could fail jumps. And Lara is well written and the cutsnces to the point. I dont have the adjectives its just really nice. And it was not nostalgia.

The rest of the core series just add too much unnecessary bullshit and experimentation until it gets horrendous in last revelation. ( although she had really fucking big tits in last revelation).

>>8466118
Hello bot.

What other retro shooter protags would go on vacation with Serious Sam touring the entire world? There may be some time travel shenanigans involved.

>>8466214
Cortez

>>8465751
Do you need any other people for your project?

>>8466214
Duke, for the chance to get babes across the world and across time.

>>8454095
wad?

He took the Star Wars pill
https://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,8547/

there WERE two Unreal HUD scaling mods and both are now gone from the internet for whatever reason.
I just reinstalled Unreal and I am so fucking mad
can someone please link me theirs if they have one by chance, thanks

>the only enjoyable level in quake's episode 4 is the one that petersen didn't design
i'm a huge apologist for his doom levels but holy fuck, all of these levels blow cock

>>8461612
i'll try it right now.

Hey Revae, Clovr switches games automatically, correct? Would you be okay with sharing the script to do that? I'm thinking of using it for FNF/SNS to automate hosting.

>>8461612
>>8466661
doesn't really work, you can't aim and looking around makes you shake all over the place. keybindings seem to work fine for menus and stuff. would be cool but needs work

>>8463510
PrBoom+ has the vanilla gameplay physics and so on and also has different complevels and supports high resolution and fps. Even Decino uses it, I think it's the only good way to play Doom nowadays.

>>8464190
Use J.A.C.K. for Goldsrc, I would unironically consider vanilla Worldcraft deprecated at this point. There's just no reason to use it anymore.

>>8462051
TNT Revilution came out years ago :^)

I like the new MG1 episode of the re-released Quake, but did they have to fuck up the sound quality?
Yes, they remastered a good deal of sounds but the non-remastered half simply ignores the "sndspeed" cvar of (let's say) 44100 and still sound like shit.

>>8453586
>4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games (pre-configured):
>https://mega.nz/folder/CldGAahb#yn_8LkRHraywPgKJMp5pqA
what does this do?
Quake 3: Latest version (1.32c) Uses updated Q3 engine "Quake3e" by Eugene C. Comes with gameplay mod CPMA 1.52 (Challenge ProMode Arena)

anywhere I can bulk download all the cacoward picks?

>>8459383
Already in that post anon.

Worst maps of Doom 2 and why they're
>Chasm
and
>Nirvana

>>8466289
>Duke, you can't just bang every hot chick we come across while traveling through time. You'll mess up the time stream!

UV-Fast has given me an appreciation for Downtown. That map is really hectic with all of the enemies roaming around.

>>8466620
They blow my cock in a good way, if you know what I mean.

>>8466620
Episode 4 has some of my favorite parts of Q1 and some of my least favorite. Episode 2 is the next one up for me. I was most bored with 3.

>>8466214
I'd imagine the Doom marine might go if he thought he'd find demons to kill.

I’ve seen some videos making fun of GZDoom for being an unoptimized mess and its developer and his friends on official Discord for… well, Discord users being Discord users.
Is GZDoom actually that infamous for those reasons in Doom communities or it’s just some contrarians complaining about nothings

>>8467548
It's the default port, so I guess people who dislike it resent it.
It's deeply offensive to me that a game from 1994 could be ported to lag on a computer commercially available in XXI century, personally.

>practice level, create methods that allow me to beat sections with strong consistency
>lose a million times for the demo regardless of these methods
>get a demo clear when my practiced methods fail immediately and have to wing it

Why is it so fucking hard to find the original midi versions of Doom's OST on youtube?
You search for an particular song and it's just waves of awful remixes, recompositions, remastered versions, random soundfonts and all kinds of other fucking garbage.

>>8467351
>haha, balls of steel go brrr

>>8467561
Wouldn't you be able to get them yourself by using a roland SC-55 soundfont?

>>8467525
Yeah, there's a few for him to kill.

How the hell am I supposed to solve this?
Cannot find a nightvision anywhere.

>>8467561
Here you go retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ0Ob4PlCDU

>>8466554
Doesn't the 227i patch let you scale the HUD? Or am I misremembering?

>>8467329
Chasm is a fantastic map.

>>8466670
It's not a script. It uses the windows task scheduler to restart the server at 3am my time and then run games every X number of weeks on Y day at 3:05 am. It just runs a batch file that runs the games.
There are some quirks to getting it to work. The batch file has to look like:
start "" "c:\games\whatever_game.exe" -command x -command y

The "" after start was necessary when running through the task scheduler. And there's an "optional" run location field I'm the task scheduler that isn't actually optional...
Trying to remember anything else. I'll take a look at it later if I remember and write anything down that strikes me.

>>8467764
Remembered I could remote connect to the server on my phone.
Sample batch file looks like pic related.
I think the "" may have only been necessary to run a batch file from another batch. But it won't hurt either way. The batch it runs looks like this:
@ECHO off
START heretic2.exe +dedicated 1 +exec coop.cfg
EXIT

So just do whatever you'd do with zandronum there, instead of heretic.

>>8467764
Sounds enough of a script to me. Thanks, buddy.

>>8467798
Well I mean the scheduling part wasn't scripted. At least not manually.

Is Fractured Worlds harder than Stardate 20X6?

>>8467861
I'm not sure because I can't beat the first fight of the first level.

>>8467868
of which one

>>8467870
Of Fractured Worlds.

I think that should answer your question well enough, thinking about it.

I still think Caco was designed with some intention of making him the mascot character of Doom from the beginning. With his perfectly round shape and easily recognisable cyclops face and all that.

>>8467994
well, in the Doom95 the caco is the icon, so it can be possible

>>8467994
probably but his design is notorious for being too close, if not, almost traced from a dnd monster
i still think the cyberdemon is perfect
a minotaur creature with cybernetics fits that "hell and sci-fi" mixture
like how the classic logo was a mix of blue pipes and yellow bricks

>>8468015
>his design is notorious for being too close, if not, almost traced from a dnd monster
Huh, I thought you were talking about the Beholder but it turns out the pic rel guy is the real “inspiration” of Caco. The more you know.

A D&D interpretation of doom would be a cool ass game. A classy greyhawk fantasy setting, invasion of the same monsters and medieval doomguy with a party trying to deal with them.

>>8468056
The whole thing was inspired by D&D to begin with. The circle must close.

>>8468109
I know hence why I said it.

A reinterpretation of Doom and Quake as classic fantasy. Could be any genre it would be cool. Personally I would like a nice melee fps game.

I am starting to really miss the ultra rare dark messiah type games, even TES god damn it.

There was only elderborne recently.

Are there any plans for making a vaccinated version of the new Ashes 2063 campaign? Or has it been done already? I couldn't find anything

Redpill me on Eduke32 vs JFDuke3D

https://onemandoom.blogspot.com/2021/12/download-downloadwad.html
love this screenshot

>>8468186
Reminds me of Wolfenstein.

>game is a complete breeze most of the way through, showering you with ammo and health
>then all of a sudden it introduces enemies that comprehensively wreck your shit, while also not giving you the ammo to deal with them
>if you don't find every secret you have to run past everything to the end, and the stupid level design actually lets you like they knew it wasn't possible
name the wad

>>8468224
Going Down

>>8468224
Judgment

is this fixed? or do i really need to use old Gzdoom version?

Someone mentioned before with 94 protons that we should each replay Plutonia before mapping. I think this is a good idea but a tall order. Maybe asking people to replay their three favorite Plutonia maps would be better. People would be more likely to follow the advice, and I think it gives you just enough playtime to really hone in on what makes a map Plutoniaesque

>>8468293
How about do a SNS playthrough of plutonia? Casual but still gives everyone involved an idea of how it was like and what to aim for?

>>8468293
I've been meaning to replay Plutonia saveless anyways, so I was going to do so before/while I made my map. It's not like we would demand people's demos of each map, it seemed more like a suggestion than a requirement.

>>8468274
>complete breeze

I remember playing the shareware at my friend's house, on easiest difficulty and with all the cheat codes on, blasting away all opposition with a rocket launcher, not bothering with secrets – and always being spooked by the music and the atmosphere of Phobos Anomaly, nevermind the scary Barons that could take SIX rockets into the face.

I remember getting the full version from a friend of a friend, stalking the Halls of the Damned and being jump-scared by a Baron of Hell out of the dark and getting gibbed. I remember the first time I came face to face with a cyberdemon, the sight of once-formidable Barons gutted on the walls. I remember the first time I held a BFG in my hands, and witnessed its power. I remember looking up all the secrets this time. Manually, because we didn't have an internet yet.

Doom was one of the only two games – the other being Diablo – to ever give me nightmares. I still see them from time to time. Cherished memories of thrill and horror and desperate struggle, burned right into the depths of my soul.

But it's nothing new and nothing special anymore, especially since mouselook. We can take on a dozen cyberdemons at once now. We're looking for new challenges and new adventures. So the community gives us ever more hectic and bloody slaughtermaps, or gorgeous new custom landscapes to explore, usually both. It's great to see so many people still so enthusiastic of such an old game, finding new ways of keeping it fresh. I think Auger;Zenith is my favourite of this year – great cyberpunk atmosphere, great music, challenging without overwhelming.

And yet... the farther we go, the ever greater dissonance I feel with the core gameplay. We've got these beautiful setpieces that we can zoom through at mach five, yet we fill them with the same old slow-ass zombies and their archaic hitscan weapons and sluggish fireballs. Even the once-scary Barons reduced into fodder that has to be multiplied hundredfold before I break a sweat.

>>8468339
My toaster struggles to render Lullaby or Dark Universe, yet the bloodshed done within them hasn't kept up. New modern high-resolution arenas to push through, paired with the oldest and most outdated core gameplay experience. Like Uncanny Valley made flesh.

That's the main reason I tend to go with Brutal Doom nowadays. For all of the (rightfully) derided comic book bullshit and pointless glory-kills and one-liners and other extraneous additions, it does at least speed things up. The enemies can now keep up with me, blow up nicely under my weapons, and the storm of bullets plinking at the walls all around me is just what I needed to make the zooming around feel as frantic as it should.

But I digress. I don't want to play Brutal Doom now. I don't want to modernize things. I want to feel like a kid again.

I want to explore a low-res i486 hellscape with a crushing atmosphere where anything can happen. To gaze into the abyss and inspire my own nightmares. To turn around on my keyboard as slow as a tank, feel threatened even by smaller groups of enemies, not so much faster than they are. A little bit of fear, a little bit of wonder, a little bit of triumph in finding something new.

Is such a thing even possible anymore? Can we ever go back? Now that we've overcome the Twilight Massacre, as even the once-legendary Hell Revealed is feeling positively quaint, as the cyberdemon is our punching bag, can we ever again be scared by all lights turning off and mere four imps coming in from behind?

As the society crumbles around us, as the environment chokes and the world burns, as our prospects of one day making it to Mars for real look ever bleaker... as our own bodies grow old and our minds sluggish, as our bones ache and our future looks hopeless, nothing but a slow death to look forward to... can we possibly, one last time, pretend it's 1993?

>>8468341
Challenge yourself to play keyboard-only or, if you havent already, play through the Playstation version of Doom with an emulator or PsyDoom.

>>8468341
Unloved.

>>8468341
Hideous Destructor without abusing things like zerk or ridiculous OP weapons.

>>8468381
What's considered a ridiculous OP weapon in HDest? Unless you're talking about some of the additional addon weapons

>>8468381
Zerk won't be nearly as abusable next release, if the development versions are anything to go by. It'll let you make a final push or a last stand, but if you're playing singleplayer and you don't finish the level or get somewhere absolutely safe by the time it wears off, the comedown is rough.

>>8468405
Probably best to avoid the liberator/bfg/bronto if you truly want to struggle.