/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://www.nexusmods.com/quake/mods/7
https://www.moddb.com/mods/violent-rumble

AD MORTEM
Beta thread
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125461-ad-mortem-a-mbf21-halloween-themed-megawad-beta/
Current release
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18le6ho89YT_myg8CiUUk2mw1439zPyyJ/view

=== NEWS ===
[12-21] Quake 2022 Preview, includes Dwell Episode 2
https://youtu.be/ARsN0xldnys

[12-19] Elementalism Phase 1 Trailer
https://youtu.be/wtpqv2YmSb4

[12-16] Hell's Christmas, monster pack for GZDoom.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=74168

[12-16] R-Type themed Doom mod teaser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szR9xWcg1U4

[12-14] Sunder map20 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/46002-sunder-map20-appears-finally/

[12-14] Xmas Jam 2021 released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/arcane-dimensions/addons/xmasjam2021

[12-12] Zandronum 3.1 is out
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10437

[12-11] Retroquad 0.10.0 is out, last release of the year
https://twitter.com/mankrip/status/1469681148880109573

[12-10] Patchwork has been cancelled

[12-10] Russian Immanuel Kant Baltic Federal University team present neurointerface, plays Doom with it
https://iz.ru/1262055/2021-12-09/kaliningradskie-uchenye-nauchilis-chitat-mysli

[12-09] Jonathan's Arcade Mapping Project #1 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126184

[12-09] Doom Mod Collection got a big update
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5755611

[12-08] BuildGDX v1.16 released
https://m210.duke4.net/

[12-06] The Force Engine updated to 0.8
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114497-the-force-engine-jedi-engine-portreplacement/

[12-05] Lee Jackson is now taking musical commisions
https://dleejackson.lbjackson.com/commissions/

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So what is the general consensus on this sourceport?
https://youtu.be/aq44msZ3eO8

>>8444504
>design big guys

doom

>>8444572

>>8444542
Unnecessary, but I like it.

>>8444490
>No follow-up image with a Cyberdemon giving him the boot down the slide

Fuck kinda machine gun is this? it looks cool...

>>8444542
Woof is nice
Don't care for the other two.

epic 2 isn't designed with pistol start in mind, right?

Guys help I think there's something wrong with my Doom.

>>8444718
https://files.catbox.moe/jz1lqe.webm
Ah, I sure do love me a good game of... wait, what am I playing again?

>>8444718
Better than my choices, I mod l4d2 so that l4d2 survivors are the characters from Helluva Boss and l4d1 survivors so that Zoey is Toy Chica, Louis is H.U.N.K., Francis is a NV Ranger, and Bill is just younger but he has camoflauge and a MGS Beret.

Is clearing the final room in the year zero impossible without using monster infighting?

Is clearing the final room in the year zero impossible without using monster infighting?

What source ports do you like to use, doomers?
>inb4 gzdoom

>>8444870
Crispy, Woof, and gzdoom. And sometimes Eternity.

Tried playing Hexen on N64 and quit because it gave me motion sickness. Also it sucked. Who thought that making Doom about close range melee that takes around 5 swings to kill a single enemy was a good idea?

Didn't even beat the first stage. A rotating wall kept crushing me.

>>8444870
DSDA-Doom. I'm not a speedrunner, but I like all the options it gives.

>>8444870
PrBoom+. It's all I need from a Doom port.

I'm considering going to DSDA-Doom since it seems to be PrBoom+ but better.

>>8444947
You might aswell, considering MBF21 isn't getting added to PrBoom+ after all.

>>8444870
GZDoom

>>8444870
Woof almost exclusively now.
I keep Crispy around for testing and GZDoom for things like Ashes 2063.
I also like Doom Retro and Chocolate Doom, but both have way more niche uses so I don't really play through them.

>>8444885
HAHAHA FILTERED

>>8444970
Nice. I have a Plutonia 2 run I need to wrap up in PrBoom+, then I'll start using it.

>>8444572
Batman Doom actually has Bane iirc, as final boss reference to Knightfall. Can't post pics myself atm

>>8444870
Crispy and Woof cover pretty much everything I want from a sourceport

Doom 1-2, but every monster is dead on game start.
No music.
Has it been done before? It sounds like an idea that's been done before.

>>8444870
Doomsday
Sadly, I don't get to use it for everything, for obvious reasons, but for what it works - it's great.
But who needs more than Alien Vendetta anyway?

Well now lads, does she have a point?

>>8445284
If you don't feel accomplished, you don't feel accomplished.
What a fucking non-issue, stop trying to make mountains out of molehills in my retro shootan thread.

>>8444491
Not exactly news, but those things were pretty much ignored by the thread, so might as well add them.

Mars3D got a port named Mars3D
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126060-mars3d-source-port-of-the-game-%E7%B5%82%E6%A5%B5%E6%88%B0%E5%A3%AB-mars-the-ultimate-fighter/

xGreed actually got a few updates and is much more usable now
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/115331-xgreed-source-port-of-the-game-in-pursuit-of-greed/

>>8445294
it's always felt off to me how anons immediately drop in trying to play things down when mod cancer is brought up in these threads

>>8445284
>she
Anyway, if someone caring about "accomplishments" gets in the way of you enjoying things casually as you always did it's your own problem.
Ignoring or disagreeing with such opinions is one thing. Trying to invalidate them as gatekeeping or some other bullshit when they were spoken in appropriate context is another.

>>8445284
>>8445318

>>8445318
If you don’t, then you don’t. It’s simple. Saveless runs, DSDA rewind, do what you want. You can also say that you play “saveless vanilla” while secretly quicksaving every second and no one can stop you. If people want to “get serious” they’ll just share demos and online playthroughs.

First time playing Scythe, UV+Pistol start and it's great. Is there any similar wads with short and good maps to quickly blast through? Inb4 Scythe 2/3

>>8445330
Khorus' Speedy Shit

>>8445330
A lot of the maps in Going Down are quick and compact

>>8444885
Why would you play the console version of a PC game? Your just asking to get a gimped experience.

>>8445342
Going Down is way too hardcore for me, but I enjoyed watching Decino's playthrough

>>8445284
>Major Gatekeeper whines about gatekeeping even though he's one of the people ruining the community by gatekeeping
The irony

>>8445350
>too hardcore for me

just suck it up and play on a lower difficulty or savescum

>>8445362
I already spoiled the levels and traps, not regretting it though. Lower difficulty is what I ave for Sigil and maybe last levels from Scythe's.

>>8445323
What are you even trying to imply here?

I'm bored, what good wad that's compatible with crispy would you recommend ?

>>8445382
3 is a Crowd

>>8445330
Sucker Punch 1 and 2 is what you want.

>>8444870
ZDoom 2.9
fuck graf
fuck prboomers
fuck mbfaggots

>>8445382
struggle: antaresian legacy

>>8445397
That's a boom wad.

>>8444504
kegan pls

>>8444739

>>8445458
Hey I haven't made an overpowered subweapon in a long time, I've been nerfing them.

How can I play the new dimension of the past and that other one in quakespasm?

>>8444739
>l4d2 and l4d2
What are those?

>>8445492
Not retro.

>>8445330
Crumpets by Ribbiks is pretty great if you want some tiny, yet tough maps to blitz through.

>>8444504
>furry exit

>>8444303
The wife has been trying to get me to watch A Christmas Story every holiday season since I started dating her. I would rather watch it a million times over than sit in the livingroom with her family and their kids all in a circle on their iPhones and iPads for six mindnumbingly boring hours while I twiddle my thumbs with some home decoration show marathon playing in the background again. Speaking of the season, anybody have any good recommendations for Christmas themed Doom wads?

>>8444870
I really love Crispy Doom. It has the perfect amount of features for me, but I find myself using GZDoom more simply because of mods.

>>8445598
>anybody have any good recommendations for Christmas themed Doom wads?
That really old one where you play as Santa and he goes OW MY FACE

>>8444725
That is awesome

>>8444725
Is that Turok?

>>8444504
>based retro

>>8445432
You're thinking of Antaresian Reliquary.
Struggle is limit removing.

>>8445330
Swift Death

>>8444504
>super gimmick turned unique

>>8444504
missed otherwise chance

>>8445598
I want a snowball fight mp wad with a few maps. City themed, rural, snow forts.
Instead of dying you just get "out" and have to move slowly back to a respawn area while avoiding other snowballs. The more you get hit during this time the more points you lose...
Flashlight tag style nighttime games...

Yeah.

Doom the way id wouldn't, doing the opposite of Romero's design rules:
>Always changing floor height when I wanted to change floor textures.
Easy rule to break. Give rooms different floor textures all the time.
>Using special border textures between different wall segments and doorways.
Another easy one, just don't make wall trims.
>Being strict about texture alignment.
Yet another easy one, though I would argue breaking this rule often would result in a very amateurish and bad looking map regardless of the other rules.
>Conscious use of contrast everywhere in a level between light and dark areas, cramped and open areas.
No contrast of light and space will definitely stand out in the form of constant repetition. Would be hard to design a map that looks tolerable while breaking this rule.
>Making sure that if a player could see outside that they should be able to somehow get there.
Extremely devilish to break this rule. Tons of outside areas that look like they can be accessed but can't.
>Being strict about designing several secret areas on every level.
Spam secrets, put secrets inside of secrets, have secrets activate with seemingly random linedefs and switches. All types of fun to be had.
>Making my levels flow so the player will revisit areas several times so they will better understand the 3D space of the level.
Could easily break by just making a super linear level but would be boring. Hard to break otherwise.
>Creating easily recognizable landmarks in several places for easier navigation.
Broken by making rooms look very similar, enough said.

>>8444706
I would be extremely surprised if Alexander didn't playtest every level be beatable from Pistol Start, not just because that's widely been considered the standard for 28 years now, but because Alexander is a huge fan of Eternal Doom, drawing strong inspiration from it for Epic and Epic 2, Eternal Doom even being intended as Pistol Start only by many of its authors.

>>8444870
GzDoom and Crispy Doom.
I also use DSDA for testing my levels, but I don't really enjoy it more than Crispy.

>>8445372
Just save it for a year later and you'll have forgotten a lot.

>>8445382
D2TWID
Doom Damnation
Suspended In Dusk
Double Impact
Alien Vendetta

>>8445718
>1994.wad

Looks like someone was a naughty boy this year!

>>8445392
You sound tense.

>>8444504
It's not the same without turkeyknob.

>>8445718
There was a wad where people created Doom maps from their memories, I don't remember what it was called I watched Decino's vids about them. That basically has all of those

https://twitter.com/DrPyspy/status/1377747840051470340
does drpyspy still have this model?

>>8445814
he never finished the doom 2016 cyberdemon

>>8445807
Yeah I saw that video as well. Pretty much breaks all the rules, it's such a terrifying wad.

>>8445807
I think Doom 2 was more geniune effort - at least I put geniune effort into my submissions, it's currently in beta. Doom 1 was wild.

>>8445821
I always felt that this design was poopoo but for some reason this actually looks good and like something that'd fit into OG Doom

>>8445842
honestly it looks more like a Build engine monster to me, but I still like it

>>8445829
Some maps from Doom 1 one were good as well but some are insane, like that map where basically the whole map turns into an elevator

>>8445821
has he ever finished anything

>>8445858
That was just poor choice of testing ports.

>>8445869
He finished the stuff he made for GMOTA.

>>8445869
Doom Delta and Metadoom

>>8445251
Sounds like Doom Zero.

>>8445878
Still funny as fuck though
https://youtu.be/cwv9isHKatw?t=2596 if anyone is interested 43:16 if timestamp doesn't work

name 15 REAL total conversions
as in literally everything has changed and you wouldn't know it's doom by looking at it, only maybe by feeling its movement and witnessing its ai

>>8445714
That would be awesome. I still haven't played a single deathmatch since the game came out. I feel like I really missed out on that whole thing. Doom was always single player for me.

>>8445821
Looks overly chunky, but in a good way.
Those nails are pretty silly to me for some reason though.

>>8445913
Hdeon

Caco?

>>8446116
What the fuck...

HUH?

mememinder blood 1 caleb is bald

>>8445913
You can tell the doom engine pretty readily from render style alone. But outside of that im not sure 15 are out? BoA, Adventures of Square, Batman Doom (almost entirely new anyway), Rekkr, Total Chaos, Hedon, Nocturne in Yellow, Hacx, scumheads stuff... What else... The two by impie.
Some that aren't out yet. Selaco...

>>8446150
:(

>>8446152
I don't want to shill too hard for it but Batman Doom is a really good wad for its time

>>8446150
there's nothing wrong with being bald

https://twitter.com/celatres2/status/1473650093114941453

>>8446190
Dumb fatass caco, probably can't even fly anymore.

https://twitter.com/S20_TBL/status/1473698564387786752

>>8446190

>>8446198
I really like this guy's art.

any hexen mod where u play as witch?

>>8446045
>>8445821
Even as a sprite, that left leg looks funky. Where’s my cyberhooves?
>>8446191
>noxious, rolling caco blobs
Like an exploding toxic barrel except it comes after you. Yikes.

>>8446243
>noxious, rolling caco blobs
I want this as a mod now. Just cacos that roll around at you instead of flying.

>>8446198
>fur on the -shambler
WRONG

>>8446190
Chunky Meatball.

>>8446252
Champions and the new Doom killed most of the ambiguity regarding the shambler's fur and the identity of the "soon to be killed" marine on Doom's original cover.
>"Very cool."

>>8446276
Romero says its not fur, eat shit.

>>8446276
>and the identity of the "soon to be killed" marine on Doom's original cover.
when

>>8446281
Romero and Shit means same these days, he is a fuckhuge hack like Chris Roberts

>>8446287
Hes still a cool hack, get a fuck and eat it too.

>>8446281
Irrelevant regarding how nu Id and the fanbase are starting to rewrite things, have fun dealing with that!
>>8446284
I'll get some comparisons soon, but the classic Doomdude skins for the newest Doom and I think even QC has clawmarks in the same spots as well as the ripped and exposed abs.

>>8446291
Looks like they ditched the thighrip, but the left arm should still have the baron scars.

>>8446290
More like an Attention Whore

>>8446158
It foes some crazy shit for it just being dehacked. I dont think it's been topped for creative dehacking.

Just got Serious Sam TFE and TSE off the steam sale, does Revolutions add anything worthwhile or should I just play their original versions

>>8446298
>Killer Croc fight
This was amazing.

>>8446287
>Romero is a hack
>maps better than most of the modern Doom community
Explain this.

>>8446302
It's odd to explain but revolutions is this weird fan game/patch/whatever you want to call it that adds a whole bunch of new features and support. Stuff like new weapons, maps, higher texture quality, etc. But I still recommend playing the classics as they are first. You're not missing out if you don't play revolutions.

Why do redditor tourists and /qa/ refugees are keen to shit on this thread, if it isn't the romero shilling baits, is the fucking wojaks of late

>>8446303
It does some other things that I'm not even sure how they were done. Like limiting you to melee only in the one boss fight... Can't remember which.

>>8446316
You're not exactly helping. Attention is what they want. Just report them and let the janny delete their shit.

I just finished Descent 1.
All levels, including the secret ones, on Hotshot, continuous, without mid-level saving (only once, as soon as I enter a new map), tried to rescue all hostages but couldn't, tried to play without losing any lives but couldn't.
It's such a difficult game, but everything about is so memorable, the movement is top notch, the music is top notch, the enemy A.I. is top notch, especially for it's time (it's very primitive but it uses the level design well).
10/10, imagine calling Plutonia or Blood hard when this game exists.

What's the best way to play BLOOD right now? Is it still BloodGDX or have they worked some more on fresh supply?

>>8446487
they are not allowed to work on fresh supply.

>>8446242
Walpurgis has a female druid, does that count?

>>8446491
What why?

>>8446493
Atari being shit

>>8446487
I prefer NBlood desu.

>THE FAULT OF WHOEVER DIDN'T KILL YOU!

>>8446497
So they allow a rerelease but then forbid the devs from working on it?
What's the rationale, are they fucking retarded?

>>8444870

>>8446564
Welcome to game development. This is common practice with publishers.

>>8446564
selling a bad version of a good game to mislead costumers, ensuring the fabricated belief that noone really liked the game

>>8446578
why

>>8446564
yes,now its mainly being "supported" (abandoned) by atari.
nightdive said its not out of the question,but they are pretty full on stuff to do,so they don't have time to deal with atari and then work on updates to fix stuff like multiplayer.
though from what i remember the single player functioned fine like it was a sourceport,even playing deathwish with no issues for me,though i had to use a really old version of proton to avoid mouse lag.

>>8446583
Because publishers fucking suck. It's all about sitting on IPs in the hopes of bleeding out folks for every penny they can.

>>8446578
Sounds far-fetched. Nobody really would do that, right anon?

>>8446589
Did you get Deathwish’s custom soundtrack working on it?

where's the line drawn between "total conversion mod for retro game" and "modern game made on retro engine"
regardless i like this one
the enemies are fucking bullshit on the highest difficulty and i like that

>>8446679
wait it's out?

>>8446437
If you found Descent 1 to be a 10/10 then 2 is liable to make you coom yourself dry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qetVKQ_GAq4

>>8446684
only a demo

>>8446674
i think,though i played most of deathwish on raze

>>8446437
>imagine calling Plutonia or Blood hard when this game exists.
I can't help but laugh any time I see someone complain about chaingunners when they're some of the fairest hitscan enemies of the genre.

>>8446679
>where's the line drawn between "total conversion mod for retro game" and "modern game made on retro engine"
Depends on your view of "modern game". I'd agree with Supplice playing very much like a "modern and modded megawad" and is otherwise old Doom-styled gameplay, less like what I'd expect out of a modern shooter. That Spelaco game looks like it's going to follow more modern FPS conventions, I'm hoping linear gameplay isn't one of them.

>>8446679
Line is quite thin on this one. It was developed as a Doom wad for years until they decided to go standalone.

>>8446684
Demo with few maps was released few months ago.

Are there any Doom64 (the best one) memes

>>8446786
here's the funniest doom 64 meme

>>8446797
Coloured fog is so kino.

>>8444504
>fight /vr/
FINALLY
MY TIME HAS COME

>>8446907
I'm sorry sir, friday night firefight is cancelled this week. You'll have to wait until next week.

>>8446907
What is this?

D'Sparil fight in 3 pictures

>>8446941
American education.

>>8446907
hey buddy, i think you got the wrong door

im trying to play REKKR and its pissing me the fuck off
>stupid fucking bow misses every shot
>stupid fucking walkers dodge every arrow
>gray fuckers take out 1/3 of your HP every hit
>the most dangerous enemies dont even drop ammo
>no ammo for bow

>>8446190
Haha. He looks like shaved testicles.

>>8447121
im trying to play HEDON and its pissing me the fuck off
>stupid fucking enemies can't even see em
>stupid fucking expansion pack encounters balanced around consumables you have to juggle
>stupid fucking chaingun and plasma on the same key with the chaingun coming first and needing to rev
>10 minutes running around an empty map looking for a switch or quest item in order to progress over and over and over and over and over

>>8447121
Punch things more often. Get the axe and carnage them too.
Don't be a baby, your melee is powerful even without wode

>>8447194
im trying to play HDOOM and its pissing me the fuck off
>cant fuck the stupid demon girls irl

>>8444870
FDWL

>>8446679
I'm fine with the enemies, it's the fucking level design I can't stand. Repeatedly ending up in situations where I've killed everything but don't know what to do/where to go is the cancer of retro shooters, and both of the the maps in Supplice's demo suffer from it.

>>8447486
i had trouble navigating the first map but the second was a little more intuitive
you're absolutely fucked if you choose the wrong path and don't pick up the shotgun before entering that deathtrap though

>>8447486
>Repeatedly ending up in situations where I've killed everything but don't know what to do/where to go is the cancer of retro shooters.
by far my least favorite part of retro shooters,most levels are fine,but the levels that don't make progress clear tick me off.

I'm hardly the most seasoned guy when it comes to playing fan maps, but would anyone agree with the statement:
>a lot of doom mappers seem to really dislike using spectres, pinkies, lost souls without pain elementals, computer area maps, partial invisibility and light amplification visors.

>>8447579
Pinkies and spectres are cool, they serve as good meat shields while not being as strong as the knight or baron. Light amp visors are shit.

>>8447579
name 1 single wad without a computer area map

>>8446679
gzdoom is not a retro engine though

>>8447605
GZDoom was released in 2005. The retro cutoff is now 2007 for PC games.

>>8447605
"modern game made on a port engine originally designed for a retro game" doesn't roll off the tongue as well

>>8447608
the demo version was released on july 2021 (4.6.1)

>>8447596
when's the best time to use a pinky over a spectre and vice-versa?

>>8447220
>doom melee
>powerful

>>8447194
this but unironically, hedon is pretty kuso

>>8447631
i like the enemies and guns, just wish i could see the targets, their attack cues, and their projectiles better
and wish the game was 70% combat 30% wild goose chase instead of the inverse
figured out how to put the paingun and hellclaw on different keys so it's at least playable now

>>8447631
What's wrong with Hedon?

>>8447626
I have never made a map in my life but I'd wager specters are meant to fuck you in very dark areas, especially from behind. you can see clearly pinkies though, no matter the light. I'd personally use pinkies in big fights

>>8447728
nigga can you at least glance at what im replying to?
heres whats wrong with it
>>8447194
>>8447194
>>8447194

>>8447263
hdoom legit pissed me off with how you can't finish e2
and also the mod itself isn't finished after like a hundred years

NEXTdoom > DOS Doom

>>8445295
>Mars3D
Kek
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VDBUzMuSKyo

>>8447627
It's not Doom melee.
It's REKKR melee

>>8447797
its same as doom, paradoxically the hardest weapon to aim and it wont kill the enemy faster than it can hit you back

>>8447809
Have you tried REKKR's fists? It's noticeably different.

>>8447809
sunken lands is gzdoom right
gzdoom melee is more forgiving innit

>>8447809
>aim
You are using freelook? Am I right, anon?

>>8447862
Episode itself is vanilla, but Steam release is packaged with gzDoom.

>>8447864
no and no

I'm gonna steal people's maps from here and use them in my original game!!!

>>8447121
Try not getting hit. And get closer.
Or play on an easier skill.

im disappointed at the mouselook

>>8447921
I literally just saw you on another board, hi there anon.

>>8447912
>Try not getting hit
with trial and error I can speed blitz through the level avoiding most enemies and just getting the pickups and blasting whatever gets in the way with the shotgun. That style of gameplay is not really fun for me though I wish I could clear out the levels as they come
>Or play on an easier skill.
I'm playing on the middle skill level, anything less takes the fun out of it
>And get closer.
These fuckers dodge my bow like smokin joe frazier, I might as well just use melee

>>8444491
So, ad mortem's lead is MIA, possibly delaying updates for next year, patchwork is kill, and it doesn't look like anyone else wants to start anything. Are we just going to lay low on doom CPs for a while then?

>>8447940
A few threads ago I tried brainstorming a patchwork replacement but nobody replied. I'll re-present concept some time later.

>>8447937
Which level are you having trouble with?

It started with map2 lmao, i made it to map3 by blitzing and i died somewhere at the end or map3 I think, savescummed in the middle though
I had to stop playing because I've got some gay ass college assignment to do

>>8447950
>>8447957
my dumb ass forgot to reply

>>8447631
There is a lot of detail in Hedon's environments, but wandering around like a retard looking for a key item and shooting at anatomically mangled enemies with garbage tier guns isn't my idea of a good time.

>>8447862
im playing on crispy
>>8447868
there was a steam release?

>>8447940
Some time before AM I was thinking aloud about a map pack for Doom 1 with the topic "comfy", but I don't think many people would participate.
Plus, I felt kinda burnt out after AM after rushing to the deadline, just to find out it didn't matter and you have another year to submit stuff.

That said, I would find it cool if we could make a modding project instead of a mapping project. Like DUMP weapons, maybe for Zandro even so it could be usable in the Friday Night Firefight, or in the latest GZD to still people's fears of using ZScript.

>>8447957
I dunno what to tell you then I guess. You get the soul launcher in the third map which is an upgraded bow. Fires faster so you can spam it. Try to stay mid-range with monsters. You can't really stray too far or you'll run into the issues you're having. You gotta get close but not too close.

>>8447968
>comfy theme
Yeah, I can't imagine that extending beyond an episode. It's a very specific theme.
>modding project
A community gameplay mod? Sounds like fun, but it would require a bit more coordination than usual. With that said, I do support the idea.
>Zandro/FNF
Well, we do have FNF_stuff.pk3, I'm sure the event managers wouldn't mind some community members chipping in to add flavor to our events.

>>8447940
>Are we just going to lay low on doom CPs for a while then?
Why not do a non-iD one? One of the Build Engine games, or Marathon or something.

>>8448046
Sure, why not? Just know they won't get anywhere near as much support as Id ones. 500ml had 5 or 6 maps and 3 were by the project lead

>>8447940
>>8448046
What about a Quake deathmatch project? We haven't done one, right?

>>8448073
Nope, but I support the idea.
Come to think of it, I don't think we did any deathmatch projects.

>>8447969
i managed to get to map6
It gets way easier once you get your arsenal, having only a shitty bow with few soul arrows and a slow ass shotgun + the novel suicide option of using the axe makes the second and third level way harder than the next few

>>8444491
RC1 of Ozonia is out - https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103371-rc1-out-ozonia-megawad-boom/

The scary hag MAPS PC lady says ur a pedo if you grew up playing video games now

They're coming for your childhood

>>8445295
port feels different from what I can remember but I can't tell for sure because I can't get past this error when trying the original no matter what I do

When it comes to playing older WADs (like from the mid 90s) it's best to use PrBoom+ right? IIRC GZDoom doesn't play nicely with old mapping and engine quirks.

>>8446487
I've enjoyed playing it through Raze.

>>8448226
Doom TFTD when?

>>8448226
i like how the flathead and 2 hair strikes make him recognizable

>>8447194
hedon update
i have been playing the same map for 5 hours and 17 minutes and am still not done + my inventory despawned a vital quest item for no reason which i had to cheat back in
is this what hexen is like

>rekkr be filteran
>hedon be filteran
Impressive. I recently started trying Doom stuff through phone. How bad I am at the inputs helps to at least put things into perspective: Some people are as bad at the game with a mouse+keyboard or controller as I am with a touchscreen.

>>8448252
Dsda or this

https://youtu.be/snNrnkL6zPs

>>8448327
oh don't me wrong i'm having lots more fun with this labyrinth clusterfuck fetchquest level than i ought to be
it's at least intuitive and cathartic when things click into place
the only time i had to look at a walkthrough was to confirm my suspicion of my fucking progression gating pendant vanishing

>>8444870
>Mods
GZDoom exclusively for Beautiful Doom and Dead Marine
>Normal playback
Eternity Engine
>Vanilla
Crispy Doom

Considering to try out Woof since it seems like the best of vanilla + limit removing.

I was wondering why freedoom is so dang boring and then ive realized its literally trying its best to be a doom bootleg

>>8448359
>crosshair locks on to enemy that you are targeting
That's pretty damn cool. Is there any other sourceport that did this prior, or perhaps a mod that does the same thing? I've always wanted that feature, and it'd be pretty cool for controller players, too.

>>8448437
Supplice and Age Of Hell are actually succeeding being Doom, that's not Doom.

>>8448376
Cyberdemon = actual progress
Entire gif = doom memes

>>8447868
is it free outside of the steam release
does the steam version get anything special
are they really charging 7 bucks for gzdoom

i wonder if some people hate that the turok games are not like the comics

>>8448531
wtf is a turok comic

>>8446564
>we got it out on your schedule, but there's a bunch of stuff we oughta fix, are you guys willing to fund an update so we can make it a more presentable product?
>fine
>we fixed most stuff now, but there's still some left
>don't care, good enough
You could say they shoulda done it for free, but shit like this is their job, they're not jannies, they need to support themselves.
Blame nuAtari for being cheap, there's no doubt they could afford it.

>>8448451
Prboom+ derived sourceports have it as an always on option. You can sort of do it in gzdoom with or without mods, but I've never been particularly happy with any implementation in the engine.

>>8446715
True. They're fragile, have a windup, and are very prone to pissing off other monsters.

>>8447940
Niggers, I'm fucking putting together shit for 94 Protons as we speak, just wait until January.

Is there a WAD for gurofags?

>>8448617
Yeah, The Citadel.

I finished TFE/TSE last week. Absolutely blows my mind how great they were. The Kleer hallway in TFE was so fucking cool.
>>8444490
Can you name all of them?

>>8448630
I know that one but meh… That game looks like it’s made of 10 assets. Including all the enemies and environment.

>>8448645
did you play on serious difficulty like a big boy?

>>8448556
>Prboom+ derived sourceports have it as an always on option
Say what? Either I'm blind or I've never seen the feature implemented on any of those ports. Specifically, the crosshair centers itself on the target you're going to auto-aim at. That's something I've always wanted yet have never seen done before until this From Doom With Love port came around.

>>8448645
Which did you like more, TFE or TSE?

>>8448646
It's the best you'll get so you'll have to make your own.

>>8448556
>>8448659
...well I just fired up PrBoom+ and found it. I never noticed that option up until now. Neat.

>>8448646
Of all the footage I've seen of the game, it has a surprisingly very low amount of blood for however many gibs there are.

>>8448682
I’m actually considering it, to be honest.
I probably should use different art style from my usual drawings and release the WAD anonymously, as I don’t want to be known as ‘that guy who made the game about shooting hot girls so he can jerk off to it’.

>>8448645
>BJ
>Kyle Star Wars
>doomguy
>heretic man
>chex man
>hexen man
>???
>dook
>ranger
>wang
>Caleb
>redneck rampage redneck
>Turok(?)
>Gordon
>SIN man
>angel guy that turns people to salt
>boomer man from KISS psycho circus
>Sam
>Postal dude
>Painkiller man (Daniel?)

>>8448694
Nice. I find crosshair snapping to be a better way to play vanilla doom. Auto aim is fine, but I like to know where that rocket is going.

>>8448696
give us a sample of your art

>>8448705
>>???
i think it's taradione from rott

>>8448710
It’s also a good tool to help steer people who got too used to things like GZDoom freelook and no vanilla aim assist.

>>8448712
What part of “I want to stay anonymous” you didn’t understand, my friend?
I’ll fumble an attempt to make simple levels on WAD builders with custom sprites and textures for awhile to see if I can make a decent looking level.
I’ll post the webm of it then. If I can successfully make one, that is.

>>8448617
Brutal doom. I turned the corner and shot an imp with a shotgun and it made him keel over with a giant hole in his abdomen as he tried to use his arms to keep his intestines in but they were pouring out like spaghetti so I put him out of his misery by switching to my rocket launcher and now those arms were at the other end of the room, the walls painted in his blood and those intestines were on the ceiling.

>>8448653
Hell yeah brother
>>8448678
I've got a split feeling. TFE had more memorable combat pieces, TSE had a better weapon set. I think First Encounter just manages to get my vote over Second. A pure fun experience of stumbling into traps, pushing forward and falling back, lots of "oh shit" moments. TSE was easier cuz I was expecting a lot of their bullshit, kek. They're both 10/10 games.

>>8448754
That’s hot but my extreme racist tendency prevent me from masturbating at brown skinned.

>>8448087
You should use the axe for the two soul dropping monsters, and green fireball heads. The little guys will die in one hit 90% of the time, and green fireball heads get stun locked.

>>8448754
>so I put him out of his misery by switching to my rocket launcher
No amount of fetish textwalls or boorus will be more disappointing to me than this retarded waste of a rocket.

>>8448812
It's called sending a message.

>>8448831
And that's an actual mechanic in Project Babel.

>>8448831
a dumb one, at that

>>8448834
>project babel
? You mean Project Brutality?

>>8448838
No. I don't play bad mods. Project Babel has a fear mechanic that triggers when you overkill monsters, causing nearby enemies to panic and flee.

>>8448760
I love kleers, despite how much of a pain they can be.

Is Serious Sam Next Encounter worth checking out

>>8448854
Yeah, I don't know which version is better to emulate though. Maybe try the gamecube version first.

>>8445330
Actually, this: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103371-rc1-out-ozonia-megawad-boom/ came out and might be up your alley, it's currently RC1 so they may be some bugs though.

>>8448580
January? I thought we hadn't settled on any time at all yet, you gotta calm the fuck down.

>>8448659
PrBoom's options menu are a somewhat cluttered mess IMO. Not surprised you had missed it.

>>8448841
>fear mechanic
Ooooh, of course.
My mind was guttered and thought all the "gore" was the gameplay mechanic.

>>8448910
Man I should play Project Babel again. I also love that there's different sidearms to choose from.
I always pick the plasma SMG, but I'm a little biased there.

>>8446907

>>8448705
>Kyle Star Wars
I thought it was Blake Stone? He has the same color palette, and Kyle has a beard.

>>8448934
I think it's safe for me to say that it's my favorite "original styled" gameplay mod. Things like Combined Arms and Hideous Destructor are amazing but Babel's my favorite for "classic but" gameplay.
>Babel
>Brightmaps
>Back to Saturn X
Three B's of happiness for me.
>>8448969
Yeah that's Blake. I'll give that other anon a tiny amount of credit because that does look like a rebel pilot suit he's wearing.
But I also don't think he was a pilot. That was Dash from Shadows.

>>8448531
for the longest time i had no idea there even were comics

>>8448617
Smooth Doom lets the chainsaw and SSG gib enemies, it's a good time.
If you want something more intense you could try loading nashgore.

>>8447579
I was really confused because I thought you meant they dont use the things before "without" without also using the things after "without".
But I would say youre right except pinkies and spectres are quite common.

>>8448046
>>8448051
Yeah, I feel like mapping for Blood is harder cause the roster isn't as good as Doom 2's.

>>8447579
This is just a result of general skill evolution
Pinkies and spectres are easily defeated by stepping back, but they are still used to block player's movement.
Lost souls are kinda the same, but with stepping back being trickier. They are kinda annoying.
Computer area map and light amplification just kinda defeat the design ambition, while invisibility is actively detrimental when dealing with projectile monsters.

When making a map, how do you design an encounter that puts the player in legitimate danger without resorting to encounters that feel "cheap"? Bonus points for pretending all enemies are melee/projectile-based and that hitscanners don't exist, because my game has no hitscanners.

is this a tranny?
it has to be a tranny

>>8449221
what does this have to do with shooting pixelated bad guys

>>8449218
You make them run in to collect ammo.

>>8449221
The use of ‘Madame’ and the anime pfp cues it off. I mean, the fact that a woman in the first place would be an administrator of a video game forum is basically all the evidence you need to suggest it’s a troon

>>8449231
why is the doom modding community infested with trannies?
is there nothing fucking left sacred in this dogshit world?

>>8449252
Who tf knows. I guess maybe because of all the coding and editing work that goes into source ports and map making and there’s an awful lot of trannies that love that sort of stuff so I guess it’s just like flies to shit. I know that particular admin bans anyone who brings up the mods of a certain map maker who I can’t remember the name of because he made a tranny joke in one of his very high quality mods. Now even mentioning something he vaguely had a hand in will get you a warning

>>8449218
An easy way would be to make them fight for cover. This doesn't mean put a monster closet right beside the red key they just picked up but instead make the player race for cover before enemies converge and overtake it.

>>8447579
I think the worst trend in DOOM mapping is the overuse of archies. There's a massive line between fun encounters and ballcrushingly difficult unfun encounters, and yet so many mappers lean as hard as they can into option B.

>>8447579
Blur spheres suck.

>>8449291
It's easier to make something stupidly difficult than to make something appropriately easy with a gradual difficulty curve.
Any retard could make a map that has 30 archviles attacking you at the same time or a map that is only a single zombieman.

>>8449218
limit player movement and make them prioritize certain targets or get overwhelmed.
Pinkies, Lost Souls, Hell Knights and Barons are the best demons for railroading a player's movement.

>>8447579
I don't think strafing was taken into account when partial invisibility was made. It's not good against projectile enemies because the act of dodging them is likely to get you hit anyway.

>>8449310
>I don't think strafing was taken into account when partial invisibility was made.
It's probably more like Partial Invisibility was designed around the balance of Knee Deep in the Dead and not for when most enemies had projectiles. It works fine when most enemies in a given level are zombies, imps and pinkies.

I am kinda curious at how doom would play if projectile monsters had random offset on their fire.

Are Mancubi the most underutilized Doom enemy?

>>8449330
Regular zombie men to be honest. Most mods tend to not even bother with them even on low difficulties. Mancubi are pretty rare though now. It’s usually endless chaingunners or revenants

>>8449328
In Corruption Cards, one of the cards you can draw will change every enemy to aim as though the player had a blursphere.

>>8449338
I haven't seen many chaingunners recently. Compared to something like TNT, hitscan got scaled back a lot.

>>8449338
It's a shame, because zombie men are so damn satisfying to kill.

>>8449347
I'm planning on making a map with a big metal cube with monsters teleporting into it, I'll add like 100 zombiemen just because I can and they'll all probably die in 10 rockets.

>>8447579
>Map has a Computer area map
>All the secrets do not have the map drawn
Why... Isn't this kind of the point of the computer area map?
to help the player know where the fuck are the secrets?

>Thy Flesh Consumed
Compared to the other episodes, there's lots of marble, very little blue, and the floor is often lava. I really remembered this wrong, I thought it felt more like "Earth" but that's really only some parts in map 7 and 9.
>>8449328
I can imagine it scaling like crazy in levels with already dense encounters.

>>8449358
It's supposed to be Earth, but I guess Earth changed a lot.

>>8449358
I always saw it as a kind of inbetween being 1 and 2 which, was obviously the point, but it’s sort of like the first parts of the world that hell has corrupted so most of the architecture is quite castle-y and gothic which fits the hell theme before you fully go into the city fully in 2

>>8449338
I like laying out wide swathes of mixed zombies and imps as filler sometimes, as this leads to infighting, which is so fun.

>>8447579
I like using Spectres in dark areas as an extra challenge for hard skills, pinkies are great as a type of "moving wall of damage" that adds some extra flair to a gunfight as hitscanners and projectile enemies take potshots at you from afar. Lost souls, and the three non-ammo-or-health/armor powerups you're spot on however.
>>8449358

>>8447579
I think they can be a fun spook, I like a crosshair that alerts you that they're there but doesn't outright snap to them.

I think I have brain worms because people can point out whenever a DOOM level is ugly but I've never had that thought myself. I notice whenever they have good visuals like in Ribbiks .wads but to me DOOM's visuals just kind of blend together anyway so whenever someone complains about a certain texture it almost seems petty.

>>8449330
I feel like I see Mancubi and Arachnotrons far less than I would expect.

>>8449634
Their footprint is quite big, and I feel like maps shrunk over the years.

>>8449636
yeah, and when I do see them, they're usually stationary on raised platforms.

This engine drives me apeshit sometimes. It's hard to see here, but for a few frames at the end of the venting animation, the weapon's sprite distorts ever so slightly. You can see it if you look near those two blue lights on the sides.

>>8449648
They are good at long range combat.

Hear me out guys. Mancubian candidate but on E1M8

>>8449649
Literally no one will notice but you. I had to zoom in and squint, knowing where to look, and that the effect would be there in the first place

>>8449649
I can't even see it, but I think stuff like that has to do with your resolution and scaling.

Christmas doom is great fun.

>>8449761
Where is the new one for this year.

>>8449649
You might be able to fix it by making sure all the sprites are the same resolution, assuming they aren't already, that's what I would try anyway.

>>8449771
Well the thing that baffles me is the frames that get fucked up are in the same set of sprites that all have the same resolution.

I finally beat this fucking piece of shit of a level.
Fucking hell I got closer to beating Maelstrom faster than I did this map. Accidentally setting off the Archvile Pillar room was all I needed apparently after trying to carefully beat that fucking room for god knows how many attempts now. It was all smooth sailing past that, even though I thought for sure I would choke in the last two fights, especially since I've never reached them without saves up until that point.

>>8449372
I was hoping for more of the abstract style and ideas that became prominent in Inferno, and I liked the red/blue contrast that would pop up in earlier episodes. And for an episode called "Inferno" taking place in "Hell", it was rare coming upon that lava floor that becomes so popular in episode 4.

gzdoom -iwad doom2.wad -file sunlust.wad doomxmas.wad doomxmus.wad doomxmas.deh

oh neat it worked

>>8449776
I think he means making the frames the same dimensions, even if that makes for a lot of added empty space. Don't know if that would work tho.

>>8449827
Yeah that's what I mean, the entire firing and steam venting animation all have the same dimensions and it's the frame LBP1 O that gets all screwed up. It doesn't make any goddamn sense, because all of the other animations are fine, and THOSE have different dimensions.

So when the tail end of an animation distorts when it's all the same dimensions, I get really confused and angry.
Really I'm just letting it go, but I had to have a moment of bitching about this while showing the progress I've made so far.

>>8449836
can "adjust sprite clipping" affect weapons?
I think for enemies it sometimes results in jitter between frames if there are any fully transparent rows. not sure if I remember this correctly though.

wew

>>8446148
>jack kirby draws quakeguy

>>8449836
I remember the Sprite Fixing Project ran into this or a similar issue with muzzle flashes on some weapons, but I can't remember what their solution for it was, maybe the thread for it could be worth looking through.

>>8449868
Wad?

>>8449868
Looks like he's in cyberspace

>>8450014
Sunder map 20

>>8450042
How much does it drop it frames?

Wish neo-nu games were actually fun. Whenever I get bored I find myself booting up Doom or Duke 90% of the time these days.

>>8450059
neo-nu games?

>>8450059
they can be, you just don't like games and only play those two because you're used to them and the familiarity is therapeutic
doom and duke are too easy with KBM to be good (mods and user maps don't count)

>>8450084
>(mods and user maps don't count)
Unless he's referring to "booting up (custom) Doom or Duke 90% of the time."

>>8450061
ignore him, he has brainworms.

>>8450084
>disliking newer games means you dislike all games
Where do you think we are?

>>8449356
A lot of mappers use them for navigational purposes, like how a Zelda game would, rather than for secret hunting.

>>8450061
Modern games. Nothing has any amount of replayability and most games are just an unfun slog. I remember when GTA was meant to be fun instead of being an immersive, realistic midlife crisis simulator.
>>8450084
>easy means bad
This man is the reason we have maps with nothing but archviles.

>>8449708
Don't kill the baron, or a horde of cyberdemons spawn in?

>>8450121
I understood him, he was just saying recent games.

Its been kinda bare for me as well, but its good to jump back into old classics, been playing homeworld 1 in anticipation for H3 after the announcement.

Its never beet at the same time better and worse for videogames its a weird juncture. Incredible indie small dev stuff but at the same time tons of unfinished stuff.

As for triple A I only touch stuff like platinum and from soft, most other console shit disgusts me. Eternal included.

>>8450135
Its a gay phase that will last a while. But the experimentation on the small devs side is so intense I find myself with no money to support the people that matter. Recently shit like Highfleet and actually FPS like Gloomwood and Fallen Aces.

Too much stuff and too little at the same time. Maybe this is saturation.


Btw Elexis chad, I am still waiting for that model. Do I have to go to vam again.

>>8447579
Definitely true with Light Amplification Visors. Even in Plutonia, they are completely absent.

>>8450151
if Sin supports monsters with TGA output, her skin can be upscaled right and be used with a tessellated or high poly model with no detail loss at all.

>>8450135
i will not rest until every spider mastermind in every wad on every difficulty is modded to have nightmare reaction and attack speed + exclusion from infighting + the ability to birth doom 64 arachnotrons whenever it isn't attacking

>>8448580
Ah, there you are. I'm looking forward to it.

>>8450151
the f*ll*n *c*s demo is disappointing
combat has no visceral feel, can be halfassed without losing much efficacy, and is largely pointless since you can just run to the objective
actuall think it'd feel better as a gzdoom mod

>>8450210

Why did you write fallen aces like that?

I liked it, if the difficulty ramps up I like the mix of stealth and action. The drawn art was a bit iffy my main complaint, and sure I dont know if the story will be awful but I will pirate it anyway before making a decision to purchase.

I do hope gloomwood is nice.

>>8450218
Self censoring, he's scared :'(

>>8450207
Probably not January, like he said, probably February at the earliest.

>>8450210
>actuall think it'd feel better as a gzdoom mod
Action Doom 2: Urban Brawl is amazing, try to find the original if possible

>>8450218
because i don't wanna give n*w bl**d any attention until they fund a ROTT'13 sequel
game needs more chaingunners, that's all i have to say. maybe when everyone has a super deadly gun there'll be a reason to fight and a reason to be stealthy.

>>8450210
>>8450234
>censoring fallen aces and new blood like a tumblrite censoring the names of people they don't like

>>8450249
It's humourous, don't be such an autist.

it's gonna be 2022 and there is STILL no Shin Megami Tensei-esque doom mods where can fight both angels and demons and even spawn some to fight with you

>>8449291
BTSX E2 exemplifies this. Its genuinely not too difficult, it just gets really repetitive seeing archies show up multiple times in every map in predictable ways.

>>8450260
I know an anon from /smtg/ made a strange journey mod, but i'm not sure if that's what you're looking for. Either way, I say be the change you want to see and make one.

>>8450059
It depends on the genres you enjoy. Older FPS like Doom and Quake are way more enjoyable to me than anything modern. Only game I caved and bought during the steam sale was Medieval II: Total War which is a fifteen year old game. I picked up a few DLC for Paradox Interactive games I bought years ago. I can't imagine paying $90 bucks for a console game ever again though. It's stupid even if you have disposable income to burn.

>>8450260
>what if supernatural beings... as fallible... as humans?
>what if angels... also evil... like demons?
>what if god... bad?
>what if everything... morally gray?
>what if demons... sympathetic?
>what if devil... good guy?
bro enough of this shit let me shoot unambiguously evil monstrosities without the cliche subversion and oriental inability to fathom the divine

>>8447263
I installed it because of your post, and feel filthy now, so thanks for that. I'm going to go scrub my skin with sand now.

>>8450260
you fight an angel who thinks he's a god at the end of eviternity

What immersive sim has the best feeling gunplay?

Surprised to see that there's no reverse-engineering or source port of Lameduke by now. We've had several mods and source ports re-create some of the quirks of the Doom betas (Eternity, MBF and Russian Doom) but nothing for Douk yet.

>>8447579

>pinkies

I've seen them used well in a few maps, but yeah, many mappers struggle to think creatively with them. They need to be a pressure threat while something else hits you from range.

>lost souls

Honestly just the shittest enemy in the doom roster so I don't blame mappers for this. They are rarely fun, they're just annoying filler.

>area maps and light visors

this just comes don to the community and meta more than mappers. Everyone seems to play in prBoom with gamma on 3000 so fun stuff like dark mazes kinda loses its impact.

You can sum a lot of this up with the factthat the Doom community these days are largely anti-fun grognards who just want to play Plutonia over again in slightly different orders, desu.

>>8449765
In production. You don't get to open your presents before Christmas.

>>8450371
I feel like there's eternally some guy working on a Duke Nukem Beta mod and never actually finishing it.

>>8444794
Did it without.

>>8450323
Probably Prey, by the simple fact its that Arkane is using a more modern engine. The sound is really nice as well I would not say as exquisite as SS2 but pretty nice when compared to other games out there.


And if you count Dark Messiah as a immersive sim lite, the combat there is great but its not gunplay.

Notice How I didn't mention Bioshit series.

>>8447579
If I never saw another pain elemental or lost soul for the rest of my life not a single tear would be shed

>>8450323
System Shock 1 was pretty fun with managing the lean state, ammo types, recoil and kickback. I like switching between full screen and classic controls too.

>>8450371
I think that there was a Lameduke mod or something.
But really, reverse engeneering of Blood, Redneck Rampage+Rides Again (and a bit of Deer Huntin' IIRC) as well as Duke 64 and certain World Tour elements took priority.

>>8450445
>Probably Prey, by the simple fact its that Arkane is using a more modern engine.
I dont see the correlation between engine and gunplay. Nothing was stopping mid/late 90s devs from making more satisfying animations, particle effects, and sounds.

>>8450479
Dont be dense, they couldn't in the same way because they were juggling other aspects at the same time with negative fucking ram available.

Immersive sims are highly experimental, I mean even when dedicating to just shoot dudes some fps are mediocre.

Just saying that Prey by having a more robust modern engine helped Arkane be less jank. Thats all.

>>8447579
You're right about
>spectres
skillsaw said it best that mappers only use them to be annoying
>partial invis
It's only good vs hitscan, otherwise it's a power-down
>light amps
make the map look ugly
>maps
I never really noticed 'til you mentioned it that maps are rare

Pinkies are plenty common, and so are the uses for lost souls

>>8447964
>there was a steam release?
a new episode
>>8448525
>is it free outside of the steam release
Yes http://manbitesshark.com/
>does the steam version get anything special
Yes a new episode
>are they really charging 7 bucks for gzdoom
GZDoom is free and so is REKKR, if you like rekkr you can support rekkr anon and buy the new episode

>>8450234
>because i don't wanna give n*w bl**d any attention until they fund a ROTT'13 sequel
>However, since Rise of the Triad is one of the games Apogee currently controls, it could have a bigger comeback. Although nothing is set in stone, and developing in-house games is still out of Apogee’s budget, Miller hopes that the company can someday develop all-new games set in the Rise of the Triad universe. But before that, he would want to change some aspects of the IP itself.
>“It’s been an arcadey IP this whole time, and we want to treat it more seriously forward by developing the backstory and focusing on the characters,” Miller said. “We’re still going to have humor, but like Max Payne, you can have both.”
As if they or OG Apogee would want to bother with a mess nu-Apogee would eventually wanna make.
https://www.pcinvasion.com/apogee-scott-miller-indie-game-publishing/

>>8450323
EYE or STALKER (esp with mods), if you count either

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyTi7ZYd_y4
post yfw you will never truly shop at Sneed's Feed and Seed

any worthwhile console ports I should check out? everyone raves about quake 2 for ps1, is it good?

>>8450323
Eye Divine Cybermancy is my favorite ImSim in the world. It has the best gunplay that an out of control Half-Life full conversion can have

>>8451016
most from what ive are nothing special next to the PC versions,other than powerslave.
especially true when you're used to sourceports.

>>8449708
Absolutely Killed has fun e1m8. You have short amount of time to kill all barons, and if you don't make it, you get overwhelmed by pinkies with no changes to survive.

>>8451016
The only worthwhile one I can think of from the top of my head is PSX Doom.
>>8451075
>other than powerslave
I thought the console version was made first.

>>8451175
the DOS version was developed first but released a bit later,though tbf,the PC and console versions are basically different games.

Are there some obscure TCs of doom that aren't listed on the wikis? I think I've checked out most of them and I'm hungry for more

>>8451195
sharpshooter3D

>>8451204
that one was pretty good, im not russian but the slavic vibes made me feel at home. Also had better melee combat than action doom 2

<span class="fortune" style="color:#2dfc53">

Your fortune: Your heart grew three sizes![/spoiler]

>>8451252
wut isn't that fortune thingy specific to /s4s/ or /qa/ or whatever it was

how do i add the ashes 2063 standalone version to my steam library
there's no .exe<span class="fortune" style="color:#53fc2d">

Your fortune: Bah! Humbug.[/spoiler]

>>8451267
Not for this season. Enjoy it while it lasts.
I don't have any festive cacos so this will have to do<span class="fortune" style="color:#01d0aa">

Your fortune: You're on the Elf Watchlist.[/spoiler]

This is kind of a trivial question but, what makes a good Doom level? Hefty amount of clever traps and secrets?

>>8451279
it needs to be fun and good

>>8451270
can you show me the contents of the zip file?
>>8451279
it has to have things that make you go "woah" or "huh" when you see them

>>8451279
it has to make the entire enemy roster dangerous
the sporadic encounters have to be almost as hard as the big fights
it has to be hard but also hypothetically possible with a high enough reaction time and intuitive ammo management on a blind run

>>8451291
my bad there is an .exe but it doesn't open anything except the steam BFG editions of doom

>>8451345
its Play Episode1.bat/Play Episode2.bat
Though you can't add bat files to steam so youll have to make a shortcut to AshesAfterglow.exe and in the "destination file" add this at the end
>-file (all the relevant files that end in .pk3) -iwad freedomfolder/freedoom2.wad
You should look at what's written in the bat files to make it easier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPEatboboCw
I just want to share my playthrough of this map, because I loved it so much. DBP41 is amazing overall, in my opinion. The most fun I've had in Doom since HFFM.

>>8451279
>This is kind of a trivial question but, what makes a good Doom level?
Maybe just think about what you enjoy in a DOOM map and start from there?

>>8451351
thank you

man I gave Hexen a shot, and I really dunno
maybe I just hate getting lost but it's not doing it for me

>>8450260
honestly I wonder how trying to negotiate with the doom bestiary would go

>>8450132
i would agree on that if the Map in question had mazes or it was easy to get lost in it, but then if you hide the bloody maze linedefs what is the bloody point then?

For those of you worried about the Quaddicted thing, it looks like it will be fine.
I don't think I'll be able to get the update out by New Years though. I've got family in town who are dragging me into all sorts of gay festive things. Guess it's the time of year or something.

Anyways, Merry Christmas my nigguraths.