/vr/ - Retro Games

I used to think that FFVIII FMVs counted as good graphics and thought it was the most amazing thing in the world.

I genuinely don't think Vagrant Story looks very good, and I don't see why it's everyone's go-to "good looking" PS game.
They're reaching way beyond the system's capabilities in going for something so close to photo-realism, and it looks garish. FFIX looks a lot better to me.

Pretty much any Sega Model 2 game is this.

Omegaboost and Terracon are the big PS1 games for me. They look incredible to this day and it also comes down to how frenetic but trackable the action is. Having a lot of shit go on that's hard to discern is one thing, but readability and impressive action really makes these stand out.

>>8446058
"this" being precisely the aforementioned dumb aesthetics BS?

Legend of Mana

>>8446046
>no dumb "aesthetics" or "soul" BS.
piss off desu

>>8446068
Model 2 was basically the definition of "state of the art."

>>8446046
Conker's bad fur day was probably pushing the absolute limit of how many polygons the n64 could push out

>>8446052
>close to photo-realism
Not at all, it's highly stylized. The achievement was in ingenious ways of faking crazy realtime effects using buffer shenanigans and duplicated geometry, and specially in how solid everything looks because they made a point of keeping tight scale consistency with the textures instead of mapping everything every which way like it was common back then.

>>8446046
...and it had a 3d camera too! shit was insanely impressive. You could spin and look at these mini Victorian like dioramas with gorgeous 'lighting', it wasn't fixed or pre rendered, all in real time. Great art direction too, though some of the character designs could've used some redesigns, but that's more of a personal preference.
You can tell they had master the ps1 by that point and could do whatever they want with it, within its limitations.

for other games
MGS1/VR missions
Mega Man Legends
Xenogears
Tekken 3
Soul Edge
Dead of Alive
Ridge Racer 4
Gran Turismo
FF9
Parasite Eve
Treasures of the deep
Alien Resurrection
Omega boost
Siphon Filter
Nightmare Creatures

>>8446086
Aw geez ok, you can post dumb aesthetics or soul BS

>>8446096
yo dat nigga got assless chaps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkglUBVH1wk

Vagrant story looked ugly and weird.
>>8446051
These FMVs on the other hand, looked really cool.

>>8446052
>>8446114
no wonder it sold poorly. plebs can’t help but get filtered

PS1 games were always ugly with outdated shitty graphics.

1993 - before PS1 - Daytona USA looks better than any PS1 game
1996 - beginning of PS1 - Scud Race and Virtua Fighter 3 look a generation ahead of embarrassing PS1 graphics
1998 - middle of PS1 - Dreamcast is released in Japan, Sonic Adventure makes PS1 look like shit once again

SOULga was always mogging pleb tier hideous Playstation

>>8446046
All of them. 5th gen graphic is comfy as fuck and graphic fags need to get the rope

>>8446058
>>8446090
They really did look impressive at the time, but not exactly "good" if that makes any sense (I suspect it doesn't). What I mean is, it was more about the new ground being gained in terms of potential more than visual aesthetics; I know I creamed my pants when I saw Virtua Fighter but even then I think everybody knew how fucking dumb it looked on an objective visual level.

>>8446096
Looks like Minecraft.

>>8446046
>no "muh aesthetics"
>posts "muh aesthetics" game

What did he mean by this?

>>8446132
I don't think psx was designed to compete with dedicated arcade hardware or 6th gen consoles anon.

>>8446132
>$3000 arcade machines running on military hardware looks better than a $300 home console without a dedicated GPU
>Console released a whole 4 years after another console has better graphics
No fucking shit, you dumb fucking nigger. Comparing apples and oranges.

>>8446326
Notice how he's too scared to compare the PSX's actual competitor (Saturn).

Vagrant story has good art direction, but not really all that impressive graphics, technically speaking.

What it acheives is a wierd psuedo realism that looks kinda impressive when you blur your eyes and look at it side on, as though it's not the thing you're really looking at; then you brain puts all the lighting and the colour palette together into something nice in your peripheral vision. But when you look straight at it, you just see the shitty textures and fucked up proportions.

PS1 games that actually looked good in their own right in fully 3D engines:

>Metal Gear Solid
>Gran Turismo
>RRT4
>Wipeout 3
>Ace Combat 3
>Spyro
>Crash

PS1 games that looked great but using pre-rendered frames was kinda cheating:

>FF VIII & IX
>RE 2 & 3

N64 games that looked good:

>lol, lmao
>Rogue Squadron and uhhh... Perfect Dark maybe?

Saturn games that looked good:

>Virtual Hydlide

>>8446140
That's Virtua Fighter 1, which was the Model 1. Model 2 was a huge step above it and involved Sega working with Lockheed Martin.

>>8446351
To be fair to Saturn/N64 fags, Bulk Slash and Blast Corps also look great.
Also add Einhander, Colony Wars, Silent Bomber, Treasures of the Deep and Vigilante 8 to the PS1 3D list.

All the games mentioned so far look like N64 games with better textures. I'm not naysaying, but imagine what could have been if Nintendo hadn't fucked up.

>>8446105
all chaps are assless

>>8446105
What kind of gorilla language are you speaking?

>>8446376
The problem with the N64 wasn't really the blurry textures, it was the lack of vertex wobble. Honestly don't know why they got rid of it in the PS2 and Dreamcast.

>>8446046
Pong

Virtua Fighter 2 looked significantly better than anything else at the time and even stands up to Tekken 3 despite being released 3 years prior. Truly demonstrates the godlike power of the Saturn

>>8446046
>Mega Drive
Adventures of Batman & Robin
Red Zone
Ranger-X
Thunder Force IV
Xeno Crisis
Pier Solar

>PC Engine
Sapphire
Lords of Thunder
Magical Chase
Rondo
AnEarth Fantasy Stories
Bomberman '94

>SNES
ahahahahaha

>Amiga
Lionheart
Ambermoon
Dread
Ruff & Tumble
Agony

>>8446423
What's "godlike" on Saturn is par for PS1. Don't kid yourself.

>>8446439
Batman and Robin is insanely impressive for the hardware. I think the guy who founded traveler’s tales did a video on it and broke down all the graphical effects and tricks they used and it’s really cool stuff. Music is crazy good too

>>8446446
Shove it up your ass, cunt

C-12 doesn't get enough love on this front.

Mega Man Legends 2 still looks fantastic. The art style was designed for low poly from the ground up and looks totally natural.

Had trouble picking a screenshot since so many are oozing soul in addition to being technically amazing.

>>8446439
>amiga
LOL

>>8446046
Conkers some how managed to get dynamically moving lights with shadows and 100s of particle effects to run on the N64. It makes sense though as Conkers came out at the end of the consoles lifespan by the studio that cemented it's legacy by making games for it.

>>8446450
>One of the most notoriously ugly and laughed at games of all time, the actual bottom of the barrel
>People still aren't even sure how it made it to store shelves
>>Par for PS1
I have no skin in this game but that is ludicrously disingenuous.

>>8446639
that actually looks pretty damn good

>>8446051
The backgrounds and cutscenes are good looking, but the battle and overworld models don't look any different from other games of the time.

>>8446652
It's amazing because even most newer games still don't even have dynamic lighting. It's like it's the first thing to get axed.

>>8446668
To be fair though only Conker himself has dynamic shadows and things like the pitchfork NPC in the other webm. The rest are baked in. Lights still actually move though.

Try Another World. Amiga version rules.

I feel like Jet Force Gemini goes under the radar for good graphics of the era

>N64 games
Running at sub-15 FPS is not impressive.

>>8446784
Too bad the game is shit

>>8446093
6?

>>8446052
It's because you're stupid

>>8446828
Its fun :)

>>8446046
Ridge Racer Type 4 is the definitive PS1 audiovisual experience.
>>8446051
They're well rounded if you catch my drift

>Retro tech autism thread devolves into retarded console war kiddie shit
This place truly is /v/ now.

For me, it's Ralph Wolf

>>8446068
>>8446132
>>8446349
>>8446351
>>8446439
>>8446446
>>8446450
>>8446585
>>8446826
you're almost 40. the console wars are over

>>8446058
Came here to say this. Lol @ anons naming console ports of arcade games, or anything PS1.

>>8446826
Playing OOT and I'm almost getting filtered by the fps.

>>8446142
kill yourself

>>8446423
>Posts arcade version screenshot.
Yeah, right

https://youtube.com/watch?v=v05U0uO4L7Q
Tobal 2 looks insane for a 1997 PS1 game. Check those win poses with actual face animations.

>>8446480
Finished Legends 1 recently. Can't wait to play 2.

>>8447914
That's awesome. I personally return to MML2 more often, hope you like it.

>>8447779
Why do I have to revere this ugly ass anime game?
Play Ape Escape. It looks better.

>>8446052
Quake 2 I the best looking game on the system, graphically. Aesthetically. I think Xenogears is best.

>>8446639
>>8446683
I thought Perfect Dark was the best looking n64 game, but then I played Conker for the first time recently (without knowing much of it) and was impressed at how good it looked. There are some parts where it looks Xbox tier, very clever use of textures in some parts. Makes you realize how powerful the N64 can be (if used correctly), and how much effort Rare put on this one. The animations are also very well made imo.

>>8447971
Conkers is the best looking N64 game. Perfect Dark looks good, but Conkers uses everything to it's advantage.

Off the top of my head

Dino Crisis 2/Resident Evil 3 for prerendered shit
Sheep Raider
Gran Turismo 2
Medal of Honor Underground

>>8446945
based

>>8447987
Your head is dumb

>>8446480
It looked pretty shitty back then; the dull dark graphics in the dungeons, flat baked texture lighting and general blockiness felt too obtuse and old-fashioned in comparison to more conventional approaches at the time.

I definitely appreciate how it looks now, but kind of in that specific "aesthetics" way that OP brazenly outlawed.

>>8446046
as far as 2D is concerned, I find it hard to top the first two Oddworld games

>>8448257
they're a little compressed due to the limitations of the PS1, but the cutscenes are excellent too since the devs had a CGI background before games

>>8448259

Terracon really pushed the PS1 to its limits. The levels are incredibly huge and it even manages to stay on a decent framerate.

>>8448339
https://youtu.be/GA_e5c3XG80

>>8448425
it triggers me that all the omega boost webms on this site run at 30fps instead of the original 60fps

>>8447920
>Play Ape Escape. It looks better.
I like how both games look.

>>8446051
FFVIII's cutscenes and summons were pretty impressive at the time.

>>8448232
ml1 cannot compare to 2 in graphics.

>>8447664
while it looses a lot of the soul, oot3d is one of the few remakes in zelda which isn't so bad its unplayable if you cant handle it. you'll have to go back to 20 fps for majora though so if you can get used to it, do it.

>>8449913
Bahamut and Ark's summon animations in FFIX blew me away, especially since there's tidbits where they appear to run at 60fps, which actually kind of pisses me off since it means they hard-locked the battle framerate to 15fps for no fucking reason.

>>8449927
Decided to wait for the PC port, which is going to be awesome.

>>8446052
>I genuinely don't think Vagrant Story looks very good
Same. It looks like shit. Art style trumped graphics power even back then