/vr/ - Retro Games

Games on this are surprisingly cheap. I want to play it again, but a lot of japanese games are on that list too. Any way to buy the physical copy while having fan translations, or is it only ISO's that have them?

>>8444804
The raddest game is baiting australo nig. Shits so ca$h.

The cd player function of a saturn is pretty rad. I like to use mine to listen to Rush while I dust the consoles and maintain the setup. Very kino.

>>8444976
Holy based. Why didn't I think of that? Haven't used the CD player function yet so I'll give it a try later.

>>8445017
It's a really cool spaceship looking player too.

>>8445023

>>8445038
Reminds me of Type to Learn 3 lmao. Could've sworn that game had a similar aesthetic.

>>8444804
More like the sega shiturn. Nothing but a massive weeb turd

>>8445231
Oh hai there. Wat took you so long?

Needs Sonic otherwise it's bad.

>>8445304
Sonic Jam, Sonic R, Sonic 3D Blast. That's what you're getting.

>>8444804
Dragon Ball Z The Legends. Perfect simulator of the anime for the time. Lots of fun with friends despise the simplicity because kids and all that.

>>8444976
listening to retro game soundtracks on retro game hardware

Saturn? The strip mahjong console?

>>8444804
The Working Designs release of Sega Ages is good, Dragon Force is good, any of the Shining Force games are great, Bulk Slash is great, Die Hard Arcade is awesome. There is tons of good shit on Saturn.

For me it's this Bomberman/Chess SRPG (Saturn RPG)

FLY HIIIIIIGH WITH GRACE AND PRIDE
(BURNING RANGERS)

>>8445551
It’s great WD did the Sega Ages thing but the standalone JPN Saturn release of Outrun is still better cause you get the alternate soundtracks and the 60fps mode

I still don't know how to feel about NiGHTS. The OST and visuals are god-tier, but I still think I need to learn to wrap my head around the scoring system. That said, flying around the levels is preddy gudd.
Also Deep Fear was a pretty decent survival horror game, can't believe it never got a North American release.

>>8445615
Do a shitload of tricks in the air (you’ll have to learn the stick movements), try and chain together links, propel off enemies and do it fast as shit. You’ll start getting some good scores then. It can be a little tricky at times but the game is pretty forgiving so you’ll get through without much issue

>>8444804
Panzer Dragoon Zwei or Powerslave. Bulk Slash is good too. Radient Silvergun. Few other shmups. I like the english dub. PD1 is almost as good as 2. Sega rally netlink. Nights is good and unique but not the crown jewel of the system its sometimes made out to be.

>>8445501
Now THIS is sovl

>>8445610
BURNING RANGERS
TO THE BRAND NEW SKY WE DIVE

BURNING RANGERS
WINGS WE HAVE OF SHINING WHITE

>>8444804
Sega Lord X is one of the good youtubers

>>8445805
>Powerslave
Can't wait for the remake coming out next year.

>>8445864
BURNING RANGERS
WE’RE GONNA MAKE IT RIGHT

BURNING RANGERS
DREAM OF PEOPLE WE’RE POWERED BY

BURNING RANGERS
RUNNING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT

JUST DO IT
JUST BURNING RANGEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRS

>>8445876
>Sega Lord X
He is the best youtuber out there.

>>8444807
I know you can apply patches to games if you dump the game copy onto your computer and then apply the patch to it. Either that or you buy an action replay and start burning discs. Shouldn’t be too much of a hassle though be forewarned that not a lot of Japan exclusive games have been translated, though there are plenty you can enjoy without knowing Japanese (Psychic Assassin Taromaru for example, which is probably the rarest game for the system and will set you back a few grand)

Vros I love this fucking console more than you can believe. Everything is perfect about it imo. The blocky graphics, the console design (especially this model with the coloured controller), the library which is absolutely jam packed with hidden gems and underrated greats and that controller is the stuff of legend. Probably the greatest retro controller of all time. Truly a system for kings, such a shame it never got that chance to explode in popularity because of the awkward hardware/poor management decisions. This is THE console if you love arcade ports and experimental shit (that’s not called the Neo Geo but that’s even more based and a whole other kettle of fish)

What's the best way to jump in? Japanese Saturn with the digital mod? I just wanna play the Tamagotchi games on it with the rad as hell mouse, but there's so much that has me interested. Nights, Virtua Fighter II, the entire Panzer Dragoon series, I'm missing out right now because my computer is a potato that can't handle the emulators for it.

>>8446001
Just get a saturn with a modchip already installed and then an action replay. Thats what I did. It plays burned discs, us pal or jap.

>>8446001
I don't think you need to get a Japanese Saturn, I mean you could still import one because the designs are cooler than the US release. But its easy to bypass the region lock on Western Saturns, hell its easy to even play disc-based back ups on them thanks to Psuedo Saturn Action Replay carts that get sold on places like eBay. If you can find a cheap deal on a Saturn near you, its easy to just grab one of those PS carts and get to playing.

>>8446001
Jap Saturn yeah. Either that or get an action replay for a regular one though be forewarned that some games won’t be playable with it cause they need the expansion carts, with the slot being taken by the EC

>>8445976

>>8446001
>best way
jap SS or V-Saturn + Satiator flash cart

>>8446025
>>8446019
How are the costs, though? I lucked out with my psone since tonyhax is so easy, but the only thing I hear about Saturns is how expensive they seem to get. I've been importing either way, but I have no clue what are good prices for any of this. Also, how much harder are the japanese consoles to bypass? They really do look swell

I'd love to have more physical games but I jumped from the psuedo saturn kai CDR route to psuedo saturn kai+fenrir. It's really impressive how well integrated the two are with each other. For the budgeting Saturn player, this is a great option.

>>8446041
So far Japanese Saturns seem to go for like $110+ CAD on Ebay, which should be like $90 USD? I thought they'd be cheaper, but unfortunately western saturns are somehow more expensive despite having less to offer.
I guess at this point you're better off importing a JP Saturn, it should be just as easy to bypass and they'll come in better condition and plenty of games.

>>8445976
Blessed post

>>8446040
The V-Saturn isn't just an aesthetics package? Tell me more.

>>8446118
V-saturn model 1 has a different bios. And the cd-rom drive seems to be more robust. Everything else is the same. Pcb is made by sega. But its a cool little variant.

>>8444804
So I've been looking into modding my Saturn to be able to run games from an SD card. Seems like the Satiator is the simplest option as it's just plus and play and keep the disc drive intact. However I'm concerned about what cartridge would work best with it.

I'm in over my head here.

>>8446196
>Satiator
>260 smackers
Damn, I mean I've bought gcloaders and gdemus and shit but that's a bit much.

Is Fenrir good? My Saturn is modchipped so I'm not afraid of opening it up. Been out of the game awhile.

>>8444804
Never see this game discussed but its a fucking banger of a classic 2D action/platformer IMO. Just a straightforward tough-as-nails sequel to the genesis titles with a slight 32 bit buff. Some people don't like the Mortal Kombat-eque digitized graphics but I think they're charming af. The FMV cutscene sequences also have some unironically good kung fu choreography going on. Just an overall a damn good arcade romp that oozes Y2K era flavor and SOUL. I prefer the PAL version as the soundtrack is way better

>>8446373
Yeah it’s an enjoyable game. I think it does get unfairly shit on because of the graphics and how it’s kind of a step back from Shinobi 3 but it’s still a great action game with some great soundtracks. I may even prefer it to the arcade original

>>8446320
I'm not a collector/archivist so I didn't mind running my laser to the bone with an action replay kai cart and burnt "backups" (cost ~$50 to buy it domestically so I didn't have to wait a month to get one from china). What I learned is that I probably should have just bit the bullet and paid the $260 up front because this system is insanely fucking good and I plan to be playing it forever.

Shits only getting better as time goes on too. Never thought I'd get to play Policenauts in English on the native hardware but here we are and its fucking amazing kojimabros

>>8446412
I mean a Fenrir is $120 and all other other odes I have require replacing the disc drive so it really doesn't bother me.

>>8446320
Its expensive. And the guy who sells it is whiny bitch. But its a nice cart to have.

>>8445976
>Probably the greatest retro controller of all time.
but you didn't specify which model anon

>>8446452
The 3d controller is surprisingly good.

>>8446452
I am still so surprised how cheap Christmas Nights is. I thought it'd be like 100 dollars, how common is it?

>>8446620
Christmas Nights was literally a free sampler. So I'm guessing a ton were made.

Dark Savior Is the most unique game I've ever played

That aside Im Aldo a fan of the Panzer Dragoon series and Nights Into Dreams

>>8446620
It was given away for free. They basically pumped out copies like there was no tomorrow and attached them to any and every magazine that covered Sega games one way or the other. It also came bundled with certain editions of the system, was given away to subscribers of the official Sega Saturn magazine in the U.K., you can send away for it if you validated your purchase of at least two Saturn games and it was also a free rental at Blockbuster. The biggest push was that it was the cover disc for issues of Ultra Game Players and NG magazine which meant even people who didn’t own a Saturn would still get it. Effectively it’s the most common Saturn game in existence and one that hasn’t been affected at all by the influx of scalpers and price gouging. Well, that and the sports games

>>8445231
More like no weeb games no buy.

>>8446848
Its kind of sad since they probably expected it to replace Sonic entirely, that or be their mascot alongside Sega Sanshiro.

>>8446914
I see it as a holdover because of the cancellation of Sonic Xtreme. In Japan, I doubt they cared cause sonic isn’t a big deal there but when they realised the game wasn’t going to happen they quickly pushed it out as a sort of ‘sorry guys!’ thing. It’s still a very charming little thing though

>>8445887
>Can't wait for the remake
Kill yourself.

>>8446412
Based Saturn enjoyer

>>8446196
Satiator is a meme. Its whole point is to keep your CD-ROM drive intact, but if you have an ODE than you literally never need to use your CD-ROM drive again. It defeats its own purpose.

If you want the cheapest Saturn ODE than get a Fenrir. If you want the best Saturn ODE than get a MODE. Either way your money will be better spent compared to getting a Satiator.

Are there any good 3rd party light guns to have around for shit like >>8446412 saturnbros? The first party stunner is getting pretty pricey. I see shit like this floating around for much cheaper but madcatz eeeeegggguuuhhh

>>8447050
>but if you have an ODE than you literally never need to use your CD-ROM drive again. It defeats its own purpose.
not entirely true because the Saturn's CD player is a one-of-kind experience. Despite the wear and tear it must do to the laser its my go-to music player for chilling in the den since the Saturn's always hooked up anyway

>>8447056
Honestly, I wouldn't prioritize a Saturn lightgun that much, the system doesn't really have a lot of lightgun exclusives.

Virtua Cop is pretty good, Virtua Cop 2 is fantastic, and The House of the Dead is fun but the port is pretty rough. All of the other games you can get cheaper on other systems.

>>8447060
You can rip music CDs and throw them on an SD card with your games and they will boot to the CD player menu. It turns your Saturn into a jukebox.

>>8447062
I exclusively want one for the shooting segments in Policenauts. Dragging around the 3D controller's analogue stick in the heat of a thrilling pulp noir shootout just doesn't feel right

>>8447063
I stand corrected then, that's awesome

Why is the Saturn so based bros ...

>>8446914
The actual Nights game sold decently well though.

>>8445976
Damn, what a pretty console
Can see Dreamcast being influenced by this.

>>8447067
Could you use the Saturn Mouse for Policenauts?

>>8444804
i hate these minis and i hope you never get a saturn one if you wanna play nights then pay me over the top prices to buy my copy for the og saturn lmao

>>8447063
Shit I should do that.
>>8447050
>MODE
>Terraonion
why does that name sound familiar and why do I associate bad things with it

>>8447535
>why do I associate bad things with it
it's expensive?
or maybe because of firmware tied to a serial

>>8447546
I remember people shit talking terraonion around 2013-2014. Don't remember the details though.
I doubt they can be any more of little faggots than Deunan and his forced scarcity. I enjoy that the chinks copied his ass. I'll never buy a real Gdemu or any of his other shit.

>>8447546
>>8447050
So what's the point of the MODE over the Fenrir? >>8446451
I think all ODE makers/sellers tend to be whiny bitches. Although I haven't had any issues with GCLoader and citrus3000psi. Swiss already existing helped massively though and actual GCloader firmware updates are fairly uncommon and they felt no need to gatekeep. No amount of custom firmware bullshit will stop the chinks and just serves to annoy customers.

>>8447050
> If you want the best Saturn ODE than get a MODE.
That's not MODE. That's Fenrir at this point. MODE is an overpriced device that can't make up it's mind on what it wants to be. In their attempt to make it a multi-system device they made it overpriced with features that just don't make sense and could possibly cause problems for some platforms.

For example being able to use a HDD. That makes sense on Dreamcast that can easily have a HDD added to it and has a PSU that can handle it. On Saturn and PS1 though, it doesn't make sense. The systems don't have the proper connections to make that work correctly which results in MODE needing a lot of additional circuitry. And then the PSU in those systems isn't really made to power a HDD. So putting one in it could cause long term damage to your console.

The thing is also huge and bulky so you pretty much have to remove the CD-ROM drive if you want to install it. And that's not even touching on the odd things homebrew devs have encountered with it.

Fenrir on the other hand can sit beside the Disc drive and there's current work being done to allow it to exist along side the Disc drive. Throw in that it has the ability to have games sent to it over WiFi and it's quickly becoming the ideal ODE and it's half the price of MODE.

Satiator is in a close second in that it's a simple plug and play solution.

>But Compatibility!
The disc swapping issue is a meme. That list of "broken" games being posted around is bullshit. Every multi-disc Saturn game saves before you swap discs, either by asking you to do it or it does it for you behind the scenes. The games on that list are no different. Some prompt you to save, some do it automatically behind the scenes. This was a requirement for Sega to allow a game to pass Quality Assurance and be published. If a multi-disc game didn't save before disc swapping, it didn't get published.

And Satiator's few remaining issues are actively being worked on.

>>8447050
>but if you have an ODE than you literally never need to use your CD-ROM drive again.
This is a dumb argument. If there was a flash cart for the NES, SNES, Genesis, etc. that required you to desolder the cartridge port and solder the flash cart in it's place, would you seriously recommend it over one that just went in the cart port with the argument "But if you have it you don't need to use your original carts anymore!"?

No. You wouldn't. You'd recommend the plug and play one that didn't require you to remove the cart port.

When it comes to Saturn ODE's it boils down to this. Don't mind opening up the console and doing a little it of work to install it? Get a Fenrir, you don't even have to remove the drive. Want an easy plug and play solution and don't mind paying a bit more? Get a Satiator. There's literally no reason to recommend a MODE.

>>8446813
>Dark Savior Is the most unique game I've ever played
Based. For better or worse it's truly a one-of-a-kind

>>8447676
I'm gonna have to get a Fenrir. I'm still running one of those cheap saturn modchips from like 2012.

>>8447647
I'm not 100 percent sure but there is a couple of incompatible games on fenrir?
I think In the hunt is the only one that is a worth playing that's incompatible
other than that it doesn't do proper disc swapping but I'm pretty sure all multi disc games save between swaps so it's a non issue

>>8447710
In the Hunt works if you play the Japanese version. The issue only exists with the US and PAL versions due to faulty disc mastering if I remember correctly. I think the issue might even happen with burned copies.

>>8447676
The original release gcloader ode for the GC required you to solder a flex cable to the pins for the drive connector as they hadn't sourced the connector piece yet. I was so ready to do it too and then only like the first dozen or so came like that and they sourced the connector.

>>8447736
either way, I use mine with a pseudo cart and have had zero issues, love it

>>8447771

>>8447736
In the hunt had crazy slowdown on saturn I thought. Anytime a bunch of enmies are on screen it goes all kirbys adventure on me. I usually dont care or even notice about this sort of thing but it was really bad. Any way around this?

>>8449259
Reviews at the time complained about the slowdown too so it’s sort of in the game by default. Unless you’re able to do some emulator magic and force the game to not do that, you’re stuck with it

>>8449259
In the hunt has crazy slowdown in the arcade too
It’s just the nature of metal slug games

Hello, I just bought a modded Saturn and I am really enjoying it, but games T-V load and some times don't load. I'm new to the modded scene so I was wondering if I could get some help.

And I'm not sure what I should have for the settings. Beautiful console and games over all.

>>8450918
Turn off Fast Boot. MODE doesn't clean up after itself in RAM if you have that setting enabled, and it can cause unpredictable behavior in certain games.

>>8447647
>>8447657
Wrong, there are multi disc games that do not allow you to save.

Also, Fenrir is the ODE with the most compatibility and QC issues. Whenever someone online has a problem with an ODE, there is a 99% chance they have a Fenrir. Also, wifi streaming is a meme. You can get a 128GB SD card for next to nothing and that is more than enough space for every worthwhile Saturn game.

The MODE is simply the best ODE available for the Dreamcast. It is the only ODE with 100% compatibility. If you can't afford one than mow some lawns or get a McJob. There is no reason to buy a Fenrir when you could pay a little more and get a significantly better product, and there is definitely no reason to pay more than a MODE for a Satiator.

>>8447676
Honestly, anyone who isn't a retard can install a Saturn ODE. The Satiator is a meme at this point.

>>8451395
>Wrong, there are multi disc games that do not allow you to save.
ok, what are they?

>>8451395
*Saturn

>>8450918
Your settings are fine. Re-seat your MicroSD card/USB stick/Hard drive (whatever is attached to your MODE) and try again.

>>8451396
Do your own homework.

>>8451403
How about you tell me
You made the claim but the only games I’ve found that do this are on the PS, not saturn
Also anyone having issues with the fenrir are probably just using non bin/cue files

>>8451403
> Do your own homework

Fenrir is just a lower quality product. That's not a terrible thing - It works the majority of the time, and for the casual user it'll be more than adequate, but you get what you pay for.

>>8451421
I have never run into any issue, what are the known issues with it

>>8451395
Sorry but Terraonion stinks of shiftiness. Plus a dual dreamcast, Saturn ode seems silly.

>>8451395
The MODE is feature bloated as fuck. Like why did they go so overboard?

>>8451395
>Wrong, there are multi disc games that do not allow you to save.
That list being copied pasted around is wrong. Let's break it down:

>Gekka Mugentan Torico (1M) (JP)
>Gekka Mugentan Torico (2M) (JP)
>Lunacy (US)
First up these three are all the same game. And the game has been confirmed to automatically saves for you at the end of Disc 1.

>DeathMask (JP)
The people working on translating this have confirmed it saves when you swap discs.

>Lunar 2 - Eternal Blue (JP)
This one literally asks "Would you like to save your data?" when you reach a disc swapping point.

>Devil Summoner - Soul Hackers (JP)
>3x3 Eyes - Kyuusei Koushu S (JP)
These two state "When you open the disc door you will be taken to the CD Player Screen. Please put in the next disc at this screen." This means it's going back to the BIOS when you open the disc door and will clear out the game in memory. In other words it's behaving the same way as it would if you reset or turned off the system at this screen, meaning it had to have saved something for the game to continue. People who have actually played these games have confirmed this behavior.

>Haunted Casino (JP)
>Desire (JP)
>Doukyuusei 2 (JP)
>Eberouge (JP)
These are the remaining 4 that we simply haven't had confirmation on what they do. But considering the others have all been shown to save when swapping discs how much you want to bet these ones do as well? Even more evidence is this document from Sega:
https://antime.kapsi.fi/sega/files/ST-151-R4-020197.pdf

This documents standards games needed to meet in order to pass quality assurance. You'll see in the appendix for multi-disc games that saving between discs was required, as well as returning to the Bios when opening the disc drive.

>>8451395
>>8452078
Going further, you can check the Satiator's GitHub for this issue and see the current status of it:
https://github.com/satiator/compatibility/issues/12
>For the games called out by this issue, the game prompts you to swap the disc, but you of course cannot do this without exiting back to the system menu, re-entering the Satiator menu, and then loading the image for the next disc. Thanks to investigation by the community, it was confirmed that these games save your current progress to backup RAM - in some cases, without user intervention or prompting - so you can just go through the process described previously to load the next disc, then load up your save and continue as expected.

In other words, you don't need a "Disc Swap" feature. Just go back to the menu and load the next disc.

>Also, Fenrir is the ODE with the most compatibility and QC issues.
No it's not. The only compatibility issue it has is "In The Hunt" for US versions only. And I don't know what QC issues you're talking about.

>Whenever someone online has a problem with an ODE, there is a 99% chance they have a Fenrir.
Again this goes against everything I've seen. I see far more people reporting issues with games and translation patches acting up on MODE than I do with the Fenrir. Mainly because MODE takes a lot of stupid shortcuts under the hood.

>Also, wifi streaming is a meme.
Streaming maybe, but being able to just load games onto the ODE through WIFI is definitely nice. You can just put the thing in there and never have to open up your Saturn again. You can't really do that with your MODE if it's using a HDD.

>The MODE is simply the best ODE available for the Dreamcast.
For Dreamcast sure, not Saturn or PS1 though.

>It is the only ODE with 100% compatibility.
Have you actually tested every game? Homebrew devs have definitely found things MODE does that a real Saturn doesn't, which can potentially cause compatibility issues.

>>8451395
>>8452078
>>8452108
Actually digging a bit more, the issue with "In The Hunt" is an issue with the original disc. The work around is to unplug the controller until you get to the title screen. The Japanese version doesn't have the issue. I'd be willing to bet this same issue happens with MODE, but no one actually really tested it to confirm it.

>>8452078
>>8452108
What kind of a raging autist gets this butthurt over a conversation on 4chan?

> Ignoring all of the issues people are having with fenrir
> Still using the old "b-b-b-but homebrew devs found problems!" that were actually due to the homebrew dev's sloppy coding
> Still leaning on meme features that no one will ever use (wifi streaming to an ODE when you could just put the images on an SD card is stupid)
> Not knowing about the issue with In The Hunt that everyone else has known about for 20+ years

Retard. Wait until you find out about Croc, lol.

>>8452221
> Ignoring all of the issues people are having with fenrir
Name them.

> The Homebrew devs were sloppy!
Wrong. The homebrew devs weren't being sloppy. It was the MODE Devs. MODE has been shown to cut corners and do things in sloppy ways that cause pretty major problems. Every "sloppy homebrew dev" issue that's been raised with MODE, works when run from an actual CD. Which if a homebrew game or a translation patch works fine on a burned CD, but crashes or has issues on MODE, it means that MODE is doing something wrong.

> Still leaning on meme features that no one will ever use (wifi streaming to an ODE when you could just put the images on an SD card is stupid)
Sure but if you want to keep the disc drive that would require opening up the Saturn to get to the SD card, or in the case of MODE opening up the Saturn to get to the USB port or the SSD. The WIFI feature makes it so you never have to open the system up again after installing it. And you can keep the Disc Drive intact.

> Not knowing about the issue with In The Hunt that everyone else has known about for 20+ years
Then why are you crying about compatibility when that's the only game listed on the compatibility list for Fenrir with an issue?

>Retard. Wait until you find out about Croc, lol.
There's actually variants of Croc that will work fine without having to boot to the Bios. And there's even some Saturn's where even the version with the issue will work fine. It's related to an issue with Saturn's that have the SCSP and the M68K combined into one chip. I believe early copies of Space Harrier and Outrun have similar issues with those Saturns.

>What kind of a raging autist gets this butthurt over a conversation on 4chan?
The only people raging here are the ones that can't accept that MODE is an overpriced produce that is all style over substance.

>>8452328
Look at reddit, on discord, or on forums, 99.9% of the time someone is having a problem its with Fenrir. It's not a stable product.

Also, you are wrong, the homebrew devs were sloppy. You see this time and time again when they release patches and translations that are broken. Its not a horrible thing, a single person can't test things extensively, but remember that this is a "community" of amateurs that do things like advertising a patch as a "Release Candidate" that has a 100% reproduceable gamebreaking bug that is unavoidable in normal gameplay. Homebrew devs are not professional developers, they screw up and make mistakes, it happens, get over it.

> The wifi feature
Again, a meme. Why overcomplicate something solely for the purpose of overcomplicating something? Wifi streaming of games to a console is retarded, you're dealing with adding unnecessary hardware and added latency for literally no reason. A 128GB MicroSD card is $15. Do you really not have $15? As for the disc drive, there is literally no reason to ever use it if you have an ODE. It's a "feature" that defeats its own purpose, anyone with two brain cells can see this.

Stop cheerleading an inferior product because you're too poor to afford anything better and have massive buyer's remorse as a result.

>>8445876
That's the only video game related guy I watch.

>>8452415
>Look at reddit, on discord, or on forums, 99.9% of the time someone is having a problem its with Fenrir. It's not a stable product.
Uh huh, there’s no problems with mode when searching on those sites is there

>>8452495
Anytime anyone has a problem with a mode the solution is basically "Make sure you're using redump images". Meanwhile, fenrir is picky about games, picky about storage media, picky about power supplies, picky about what phase the moon is in, etc.

>>8447629
Honestly deunan brought it on himself by refusing to work with manufacturers and insisting that every single ODE be hand built by him. This meant QC was high, but it also meant that availability was extremely low and delays were common (to the point where he would regularly have to delay building ODEs because bad weather meant he couldn't dry them outside). Having to camp his wordpress blog just for the chance to potentially be able to buy one was stupid. He should have partnered with someone and gotten paid, but instead he makes nothing off of the clones. You can tell how burnt out he was becoming with manufacturing everything by hand with how cunty he started being with customers and in his blog.

>>8447253
Jap model 2s are gorgeous. Luckily they tend to be the cheapest ones available online, and you can play almost any game on the system with a PseudoSaturn cartridge and some CDRs.

>>8452561
>Meanwhile, fenrir is picky about games, picky about storage media, picky about power supplies, picky about what phase the moon is in, etc.
Man you are so full of shit
Out of every single ode and flash cart I own, the only one I’ve had problems with is a terra onion product

>>8452573
> lying on an anonymous Bulgarian yak raising bulletin board system

You've sunk to a new low

>>8452585
>lying
I have a SHDS3 pro and it has loudness issues and is temperamental about the type of cd files you use
I have nearly every console with a flash cart or ode and have never run into any such problems
Not even the clone GDEMU, so either your a fanboy or you are one of the dudes at terraonion

>>8452594
No you don't, stop lying. You're like the loser kid at school who claims he has every single console to try and look cool.

Let me guess, your dad also works at Nintendo?

>>8452612
I do, they’re all hooked up to my CRT

>>8452621
> Posts a picture of a console no one is talking about that he grabbed from a google image search

Sad and pathetic/10

>>8452630
>Sad and pathetic/10
Ironic

>>8452630
Anon why are you getting so pressed about this

>>8452643
>>8452648
Desperate samefagging

>>8452652
Meds

>>8452652
Are you just shitposting now?
Do you even have a mode or are you just repeating rhetoric of fanboys

>>8452653
>>8452661
Lol keep going samefag, you're just

1.) Wasting your time, and
2.) Embarrassing yourself

>>8452661
>Do you even have a mode or are you just repeating rhetoric of fanboys

Coming from the guy who lied about "totally having every console and ODEs" this is extra pathetic.

>>8452668
So we’re resorting to name calling now?
I said almost every console, I don’t have Atari shit, 3DO or neo geo and some of the handheld consoles
What purpose would I have to lie to you

>>8452683
>So we’re resorting to name calling now?
Uhhh, where did he call you a name anon? Are you feeling ok?

fenrir and satiator stinks

>>8451421
>low iq baby parrot

>>8444804
what are the 22 games?

>>8452760
The usuals

>>8452742
> Lying retarded autist

Please stop arguing on Christmas and behave for once, please.

>>8444804
>It's launch
Stop being a fuckup.

>>8452760
There are none. Sega Lord X, the guy who made the picture and the video around it just chose his picks for a hypothetical one. It can be whatever you want

>>8452993
Based Saturn enjoyer.

Powerslave and Shining the Holy Ark for me

>>8453000
>>8452840
what your picks be anon?

>>8444807
>Games on this are surprisingly cheap
Which games? I was between a Saturn, Dreamcast, and Turbografix 16x, but looking at a few games I wanted to play they're all expensive as fuck.

>>8444807
>>8453074
You can get every game on the Sega Saturn for $40 total.

>>8453016
If we’re going by the 22 game limit set on the box

>Powerslave
>Nights into Dreams
>Burning Rangers
>Dragon Force
>Shining Force 3
>Shining the Holy Ark
>Daytona USA Championship
>Bulk Slash
>Panzer Dragoon
>Panzer Dragoon Zwei
>Panzer Dragoon Saga
>Radiant Silvergun
>Fighters Megamix
>Virtua Fighter 2
>Guardian Heroes
>Sonic R
>Astal
>Saturn Bomberman
>The Legend of Oasis
>Dark Savior
>Elevator Action Returns
>Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter

Maybe as a bonus throw in one of the more playable builds of Sonic X-Treme. Note that I wouldn’t really include Sonic R and would gladly swap it for Sega Rally Championship but we need to meet that sonic quota so that one stays. It’s a cute game though

>>8453124
That’s a good list anon but I’d chuck in thunder force or cotton somewhere there, I’d chuck in virtua cop too if it had the ability to play it

>>8453124
I'd ditch Elevator Action and throw in Sega Rally instead. It's a better game and mas more market recognition to boot.

>>8453124
>no Sakura Taisen

Saturn is the king of consoles.

>>8452995
Those words don't appear that in post.

>>8453217
Correct, shining force and dragon force are better
>>8453187
Nah, swap out Daytona instead, I know it’s iconic but the Saturn versions are a bit meh, elevator action is great

>>8453220
Holy truth pilled.

>>8444804
I have to say
PD saga is ok but I think its rarity is what made it so highly rated

>>8453235
> A Saturn collection
> Without Daytona USA
That would be dumb. Daytona USA was a launch title and is one of the games most associated with the console.

>>8453162
Fuck totally forgot about thunder force v. Yeah can definitely make room for that. I guess Astal would have to go I guess? That or Elevator Action
>>8453187
Fair enough. Sega Rally absolutely made the cut originally but I figured I needed a sonic game on there and Rally is a bit too simailr in style to Daytona, so it would be a little redundant to have it even if i think it’s the superior game.
>>8453217
I definitely considered that but if we’re talking logistics here it would require a full translation and is an absolutely gargantuan game, as well as being unbelievably niche. It’s like if on the SNES classic they included Otogirisō or something bizarre and obscure that the general public has no idea about
>>8453220
Holy based
>>8453235
Daytona is just too iconic. Like >>8453290 said, it’s basically tied to the Saturn’s legacy. You can’t have one without the other

Uno DX. I've probably clocked the most hours playing this game. Not a very sexy choice, I know.

>>8453326
Honestly 22 games is just too low of a number to get all of the Saturn's best.

On the upside, a lot of the system's most notable games were first party, which would (presumably) mean it would be easy to get them into a compilation system since they wouldn't have as many licensing headaches.

>>8453124
thanks for the good list Anon, I dont know if all 3 Panzer games need to be there but I cant argue against them.

Glad this question got an answer I want this thread to thrive, Saturn is awesome

>>8444804
> Release a Saturn microconsole with a limited selection of games and a MicroSD card port so you can "update the firmware"
> "Whoops, we accidentally left in the developer functionality to play disc images from a MicroSD card, teehee"
> Instantly sell a bajillion of them

>>8453290
DAYTONA
LET'S GO AWAY

>>8453372
I wonder why game companies don't do this, surely there is some profit to be had. Like, I think the new Game and Watch from Nintendo doesn't support data transfer over the USB C port, presumably because they want to stop piracy, but considering how cheap anbernic devices are etc at this point, wouldn't it make more sense to actually incentivise hacking/modding? Are people really still paying like $10 for 1 Gameboy virtual console game these days?

>>8453552
Also, Nintendo have no excuse for not including either the Oracle games on the new G&W or simply a fucking headphone jack, jesus christ, is it really too much to ask to want to be able to hear Link's Awakening's sound and music? Since when did Nintendo merge with Apple?

>>8452731
>satiator stinks
Why?

>>8453617
It's more expensive than any other ODE for basically no reason.

Also, for some reason it seems to have an army of retarded autists who viciously defend it anytime anyone gives it any honest, rightful criticism.

>>8453632
Reason: made in merica. And the seller is a bit of a greedy retard.

>>8453617
>>8453632
mode is the best ode available, its the most stable and is the only one on the market with 100% compatibility with the entire Saturn library. It's also the second most expensive, though.

If you're a poorfag or a casual than a fenrir is perfectly adequate, you pay half the cost of a mode or a satiator and it works ok enough, although it tends to give people more problems with sd card compatibility

A satiator is overpriced and doesn't really make sense because its whole schtick is that you don't need to replace your CD-ROM drive, to use it, but anyone who isn't a retard can install an ODE, and there is no reason to play games from the disc when you have an ODE, so it defeats its own purpose.

If you want the best ode available, get a mode. If you want the cheapest ode available that will be fine for 90% of gamers than get a fenrir. If you're a complete retard get a satiator, If you just want to get your feet wet with the system than spend $30-$40 on a pseudosaturn cart and $10 on a stack of CDRs and you'll be able to play more games than you'll ever have time for.

>>8453640
For some reason your continual shilling of the MODE makes me not want to buy one.

>>8453640
>and there is no reason to play games from the disc when you have an ODE, so it defeats its own purpose.
I've got about 20 saturn disks I've collected over the years. just because I want to play some games I don't own doesn't mean I want to never again use the disks I've got.

>>8453354
Are some of those PS1 games just idol picture albums?

>>8452889
>projecting retarded shill

>>8453915
It's your money, if you want to spend it on an inferior ODE than that's your business.

>>8454217
> I bought a device specifically designed to make it so that I don't have to pull my physical games off of the shelf and can instead leave them in their cases where they cannot get dropped/scratched/damaged
> I'm still going to pull those games down off of the shelf and risk dropping/scratching/damaging them even though I have a better solution literally inside of my Sega Saturn

This is how dumb you sound. This is how dumb you are.

>>8454792
>inferior ODE
Oh no, I can’t play aquazone screensavers, what ever will I do

>>8454792
>device specifically designed to make it so that I don't have to pull my physical games off of the shelf and can instead leave them in their cases
That's not the purpose of an ODE. The purpose is to play any game regardless of whether you own it, as most people here are asking about storage solutions for the full library. I highly doubt you own more than one or two saturn games if you own any at all, by your argument you should own all the games you play on an ODE.

You're acting like my cases should just be trophies and shouldn't be functional at all, like I should just get rid of them or use them for reddit tier photoshoots. I don't use an ODE btw, I use pseudo. If I wanted to splurge, I would get the satiator though.

>>8453640
>100% Compatibility
Then why do Homebrew and Patch developers keep getting reports of MODE doing crazy un-reproducable shit that doesn't happen on stock consoles using CDs? Why are there constant firmware updates fixing bugs and issues if it's had 100% compatibility this entire time?

The truth of the matter is MODE has compatibility issues too, but since it's TerraOnion there is no public compatibility tracker where the community reports issues too. There's no list of "Here's the games we tested and our results." because they haven't actually tested every single game. You are just a dumbass you thinks because a company says "100% compatibility!" on the box, it must be true.

MODE is overpriced style over substance. Most of it's "Features" are related to it being able to work in multiple consoles, but that's completely stupid because you're never going to swap it between said consoles because it's not a plug and play like device. You have to install it into all three systems. This is what makes it expensive and clunky and is where a lot of it's problems stem from.

>But look at all these dumb redditors having trouble with MODE.
I've seen those posts as well as plenty of posts of people having issues with MODE. I've also seen a single shill who flips out when anyone says anything negative about the MODE. He got so bad the mods of the Saturn Subreddit threatened to ban him. You wouldn't happen to know anything about that guy would you?

>>8453640
>100% Compatibility
Then why do Homebrew and Patch developers keep getting reports of MODE doing crazy un-reproducable shit that doesn't happen on stock consoles using CDs? Why are there constant firmware updates fixing bugs and issues if it's had 100% compatibility this entire time?

The truth of the matter is MODE has compatibility issues too, but since it's TerraOnion there is no public compatibility tracker where the community reports issues too. There's no list of "Here's the games we tested and our results." because they haven't actually tested every single game. You are just a dumbass you thinks because a company says "100% compatibility!" on the box, it must be true.

MODE is overpriced style over substance. Most of it's "Features" are related to it being able to work in multiple consoles, but that's completely stupid because you're never going to swap it between said consoles because it's not a plug and play like device. You have to install it into all three systems. This is what makes it expensive and clunky and is where a lot of it's problems stem from.

>But look at all these dumb redditors having trouble with Fenrir!
I've seen those posts as well as plenty of posts of people having issues with MODE. I've also seen a single shill who flips out when anyone says anything negative about the MODE. He got so bad the mods of the Saturn Subreddit threatened to ban him. You wouldn't happen to know anything about that guy would you?

I hate shills

>>8456559
And what exactly is being shilled?

>>8456569
MODE.

>>8456549
Are you the same autist from reddit who shits on the mode because he's too poor to afford one, and constantly spergs out anytime someone corrects him?

Get a hobby you fucking loser.

>>8453105
It's also got one of the easiest mod chip installs of any classic console.

Based Saturn which, along with NES, SNES and Mega Drive is part of the best consoles of all time.

>>8456767
lol he is
>>8456780
I remember buying one of those old racketboy chips like ten years ago for $11. Just plug it into the mobo, plug the CD-ROM drive ribbon cable into it, and jam the power lead into the 5v part of the PSU and you were ready to rock.

>>8456786
>NES
Otherwise based post.

>>8456791
Yeah the NES was shit. 99% of its games are terrible licensed platformers that are stupidly difficult because actual game design was not a thing yet and jap companies were terrified of losing money to the US rental industry.

>>8445501
Peak autism.

>>8456798
NES has more good platformers than the Mega Drive and SNES combined.

>>8456852
Yikes.

>>8456767
Nah, I don't really post on Reddit. But I'm guessing you're the one who almost got banned for raging hard at everyone from people just asking what ODE to get, to Homebrew and Patch developers who simply voiced their concerns.

>>8456767
>>8456787
>saying something is not perfect now makes you a shitposter
Who on earth would be a fanboy of an ODE, what is wrong with you people

>>8456876
MODE is the only one with fanboys. I'm not sure if it's actual fanboys trying to justify their purchase, or members of TerraOnion flipping out at every ounce of criticism they see.

>>8456872
Yeah, you're totally the reddit autist who spergs out whenever anyone mentions a mode. Did one of the terraonion developers rape your dog or something? Why do you have such a beef? Is it just your autism, or something else?

>>8456852
Name 50

>>8456876
Reddit has a lot of zoomers who just got into the Sega Saturn because its hip now who get completely assblasted whenever the mode is mentioned for some reason and immediately have to shit on it. It makes no sense whatsoever. I'm 99% sure its people who bought a fenrir and are desperately trying to defend their purchase. They naturally find their way to /vr/ and feel compelled to shit up this board as well.

Just buy whatever and play games, its not that hard.

>>8456971
>Everyone who criticizes MODE is an autistic sperg!
How much does TerraOnion pay you to shill their products?

>>8457023
Not everyone, just you.

>>8457030
There was literally a week where every day you were raging at people recommending the Satiator or Fenrir over the MODE and calling every single one of them an autistic sperg. It ranged from Casual players to Homebrew Devs and Patch developers.

I'm guessing the mods threatening to ban you pushed you over to /vr/?

>>8446452
It's neat seeing how the Saturn 3D pad evolved into the Dreamcast controller. A single "stick" and 3x2 buttons really show how hard Sega was leaning into arcade gameplay at the time. I'm still not sure why they went with 2x2 for the face buttons on the DC, maybe to make it easier to unify control schemes between PS1 ports?

>>8457023
How much does your mom pay for your Asperger's medication and monthly supply of choccy milk and tendies? Stop ruining every perfectly good Saturn thread with your autism.

>>8457009
>I'm 99% sure its people who bought a fenrir and are desperately trying to defend their purchase
who are you dude, why do you shitpost?
do you work for terraonion?

>>8457042
You've got me confused with someone else, zoomer. I don't post on reddit and I never will. Its a retard rodeo and you are cordially invited to fuck off back there where you belong.

> Another good Saturn thread ruined by spergs


Its like clockwork. I wish Reddit would go and stay go.

>>8457062
The only speed here is the guy shilling for terraonion
With his FUD on other devices

>>8457062
The only sperg here is the guy shilling for terraonion
With his FUD on other devices

Saturnbros ... our thread ...

>>8457074
The only sperg here is you, the reddit retard, who keeps pooping his pampers every time the MODE gets mentioned. Why do you continue to ruin every single Saturn thread on /vr/?

>>8457075
Ban everyone who has reddit.com in their brower history and this board would instantly become 500% better.

>>8457078
>MODE is perfect, 100% compatible no problems
>Fenrir and Satiator are shit terrible product that don't work
what is your problem dude, you're even samefagging and pretending like you didn't try to start some shit
go shill somewhere else

>>8457085
Literally when did anyone say that fenrir and satiator "don't work"?

The only thing that "doesn't work" in this thread is your reading comprehension you autistic retard.

>>8457092
Hi Doctor4000.

>>8457093
My reddit name is raging_chaos_69

I'm not afraid to tell people who I am, what about you?

>>8457103
No it's not.

>>8457112
Yes it is. Like I said, I'm not afraid. And there's nothing wrong with having autism you fucking asshole.

>>8457120
Oh were normalizing autism now, interesting

>>8457120
there's literally everything wrong with it.

>>8457125
>>8457127
FUCK you guys

>>8457120
It's not because he's the one you called an autistic retard in your week long rage against Fenrir and Satiator. Seems a bit out of character for him to be calling people autistic retards doesn't it?

>>8457137
That's my reddit username I don't care who knows it

And I never called anyone autistic

>>8457142
Correct, he never did on reddit. Which is why it doesn't really make sense for you to be him since you're calling people autistic retards in this thread.

There is a certain MODE shill on reddit who does call people autistic retards though...

>>8457148
I think you're confused. Also you can't call people autistic retards on reddit because its against the TOS so your lying

Lol what a dumpster fire thread

>>8457164
IKR, shills are out in force

>>8457164
Reddit autists ruin every Saturn thread. We just have to hold out for a couple more years until the Saturn is no longer an "in" console and all the zoomers more on to something else, like the speccy or master system or whatever.

Isn't this just some random pair of trolls having a lot of fun derailing the thread? Just report and hope a mod does their job.
Let's talk about how Clockwork Knight shows up on too many Saturn lists and isn't worth the recommendation at all

>>8457158
>. Also you can't call people autistic retards on reddit because its against the TOS.
Which is why the mods threatened to ban you Doctor4000.

>>8457301
Looks awful, I sincerely don't get where the praise is coming from, even at the time. Unique title + character design = memorability, but quality? Don't know how that got into the mix.

>>8457321
I already told you, my reddit username is raging_chaos_69 how many times do I have to tell you?

>>8457325
Part of the issue with Clockwork Knight is that it was released in parts instead of a complete game, and in the US a lot of it's charm was stripped out.

In the Japanese version there's actually a lot more banter and description on what's going on from other characters, there's some more backstory, etc. Japan also got a complete version that combined 1 and 2 into one complete seamless game.

>>8457328
That's not your reddit username. That's the name of a person who regularly calls you out on your MODE shilling, and whom you regularly call an autistic retard Doctor4000.

Seriously if you're going to pretend to be someone else, you should at least try to behave like them.

>>8457335
That IS my username, and again you can't call people autistic retards on reddit because its against the tos you are lying

>>8457338
so you think the fenrir is good then?

>>8457338
>you can't call people autistic retards on reddit because its against the tos
See >>8457321

>>8457347
If you called someone an autistic retard once on reddit they would ban you not threaten to ban you
Whats your reddit username? I said mine already, are you afraid?

>>8457341
I like the fenrir it rules

>>8446926
If it was up to Sega of Japan they would've retired Sonic as their mascot entirely after the Genesis/Mega Drive. SoJ's lack of commitment to a Saturn Sonic game and Sonic Team putting all their resources into Nights is proof that SoA is the only reason Sonic is still around.

>>8457351
>I showed you mine! Now show me yours!
No. Especially when you're not even being honest Doctor4000.

>>8457363
Haha your scared

>>8457367
Keep digging that hole Doctor4000.

>>8457385
Keep calling me the wrong name, I don't care. I'm brave enough to post my username but you arent. That tells me everything I need to know about you

Fuck off schizos

>>8457393
>s
It's one guy playing a puppet show to sabotage the thread like the other anon said.

>>8457393
No shit. Redditfags need to kill themselves, they are the reason we can't have a single Saturn thread on /vr/ without an overdose of autism.

>>8457385
Here's an idea - why don't you take your faggy reddit drama back to plebbit where it belongs?

>>8457402
It's not even a redditfag. The guy in question here literally terrorizes every Saturn thread on /vr/, Reddit, etc. over the fact everyone isn't recommending MODE.

You can easily recognize him by looking for the following catchphrases:
>MODE is the best Saturn ODE.
>MODE is the only Saturn ODE with 100% compatibility
>Fenrir and Satiator are memes!

>>8444804
The irony of the constant Reddit hate only for it to be revealed that those who make those comments likely post there too lol

>>8457415
Nobody cares. Take your fucking reddit drama back where it belongs.

Stop shitting up every Saturn thread on /vr/.

Terrorists win.

>>8457418
>t. that guy

>>8457417
It's literally one schitzo who is jumping at shadows calling someone out who isn't even here.

>>8444976
There used to be so many schoolyard rumors of how if you entered the right button combo or played the right order of tracks on a music CD you could "unlock a minigame" where you played as the spaceship. It was like the Nude Raider code or pushing the truck to find Mew but for Sega kids.

>>8451395
>>8451403
>>8452731
>>8451473
thread derailed here

>>8457439
Have to admit those reddit names are pretty suspect lol, so yeah probably some kinda troll/derail attempt. Still, I think some people do post both on here and on Reddit and then complain about each site on both.

Everything's a conspiracy

>>8457454
There's also probably a lot of overlap with people who lurk on both sites and chime in from time to time. Naturally people start to connect the dots between language and posting styles.

Just play the fucking Saturn, Jesus Christ, who cares how you do it.

Let's get some Bulk Slash and Fighters Megamix.

>>8457474
Yeah, that's true.

>>8457474
Honestly if you are on reddit enough that you start to recognize people's posting styles on other websites than you really need to rethink your life.

>>8457564
> Bulk Slash
They finished the fan translation a little while ago, has anyone played it? Is it any good?

>>8457594
The bulk slash translation is decent, it's not a masterpiece or anything but it's far above what would have actually been done if they'd dubbed the thing back in the 90s. The game itself is quite good, too, very visually appealing and it's fun.

>>8457715
>but it's far above what would have actually been done if they'd dubbed the thing back in the 90s
actually what makes it good is that it sounds like it was dubbed like 90s anime

>>8444804
tomb raider, fighting vipers, wipeout and sonic jam

those were comfy times, mid to late 90s

>>8457945
To my ear it doesn't, I know that the 90s dub vibe was what they have said they wanted but I'm not really sure how it's supposed to be.

>>8457958
More like mid to mid 90s. Late, everyone moved on to Dreamcast.

tfw you open your Saturn and look at work you did years ago

>>8458950
Very nice, anon.

>>8458980
I don't know if I would say it's nice. The board is insulated from the shielding with a piece of lint roller sheet and the soldering to the connector for the power was done with a cheap non controlled iron and slightly melted the connector housing.

>>8458996
Soul

Saturnchads ... I kneel ...

>>8459992
Rise my son
For all can bask in the glory of Saturn

>>8444804
Thread Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb7sN7axblc

eh
dreamcast is better

>>8460004
Considering how this thread has gone I think this is a more apt thread theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsSlXk0lA5g

>>8460028
All Segachads are winners

>>8445976
>the library which is absolutely jam packed with hidden gems
just because it was in japanese and you couldnt understand and play it doesnt mean it was a hidden gem
saturn have the worse shit to good game ratio of modern consoles outside the gba, wii and ps2

>>8461495
And what is that ratio

>>8457958
Sonic Jam is so ridiculously good, it baffles me it's never talked about, but I'm not complaining either because I'm sure any hypothetical exposure would be annoying nitpicking or the like.

But damn it feels so good.

>>8444804
My top 3 on the machine are
>Bulk Slash
>Panzer Dragoon Zwei
>Sega Rally

>>8446373
this game mostly gets shit on because it's ugly and that's it

>>8461957
I like Jam, but the slowdown in Sonic 2 is genuinely atrocious, especially since it's unrelated to what's happening on the screen, and it's very noticeable.
It's really baffling how the game will run fine with rings everywhere and water on screen (which chugs on the Genesis but not really in Jam) but it'll then slow down with like two platforms on the screen and nothing else.
S1 and S3 aren't nearly as bad about it, but you can still occasionally feel them slow down a tad here and there.
Also, the altered sound effects are a mixed bag.
Some are way better than on Genesis (when you hit a boss is a good example), some are way worse (the ring sound in particular).

The other extras are neat (I wish the Sonic World camera wasn't fucking shit), but as a way to play S1/2/3&K, it's not the best.

>>8461523
low estimate: 120 good games out of about 1000 in total
high estimate: 200 good games out of 1000 in total
the n64 in comparison has 400 good games out of 396 in total.

>>8461978
Well I'm talking about original Jam content, as a compilation I don't care and I'm not sure any Sega compilation has ever mattered to actually play the games in it other than Gems and Mega. But the concepts and designs of the 3D Jam content and the artwork for it, only CD compares with that particular style and inspiration. He even looks like 3D CD.

>>8457415
>MODE is the only Saturn ODE with 100% compatibility

Didn't the Rhea also have that? It also has support for photo cds.
and MODE isn't compatible with homebrew games and fan translations. Translators have to add shit tons of safety checks to get translated games working on the MODE.

>>8452328
>There's actually variants of Croc that will work fine without having to boot to the Bios.
Croc only has one known variant. It didn't get a re-release like Space Harrier and Outrun. Unless it's some shit like the JP version fixing the issue.

In the Hunt is buggy for the japanese version too by the way, randomly doesn't work on some hardware models. The issue was never identified - people tried running it on 10 different motherboard types and results were completely random.

>>8462163
Rhea and Pheobe might as well not exist considering the insane hoops you have to jump through to actually be able to buy one.

I have a Fenrir and a friend of mine has a MODE and neither of us have had any issues with fan translations or homebrew games (SotN, Vandal Hearts, Grandia, Policenauts, Hellslave, etc). There were some issues early on with ODEs and buggy homebrew projects, but for some reason Reddit seems to think that non-commercial games don't work on MODE when they clearly do. It's just people being dumb. Fan translators are a great part of the community, but the important thing to remember is that they are amateurs working with 25 year old hardware that wasn't even effectively documented for actual developers back when it was commercially viable. They do great work sometimes, but they are far too quick to blame hardware when bugs happen. There is a really big ego issue in the community so the thought that they may have made a mistake never seems to occur to them.

I don't know about compatibility with photo cds and modern ODEs because I've never felt the need to use photo CDs.

>>8462343
>Rhea and Pheobe might as well not exist considering the insane hoops you have to jump through to actually be able to buy one.

Nah, I managed to buy like half a dozen of them (and I didn't even bother buying one every time I had a chance), all I did was subscribe to the rss news feed, then once the guy announces the sale time, just put in a time reminder, and press f5 on the order page.

I'm sorry if "going at place x at time y" is an insane hoop for you.

>>8462358
I don't know about him but I refuse to buy from Denuan since he's a twat.

>>8462358
> All I did was make absolutely sure to not miss the very tight window when a product was being sold and then set an alarm and stayed up until 1 in the morning while mashing F5 to make sure I could buy it before it was sold out because the guy only makes a couple hundred at a time three times a year
Yeah, that's in no way less convenient than going to the Terraonion/Castlemania/Satiator storefront and clicking "add to cart" :^)

>>8462343
>There is a really big ego issue in the community so the thought that they may have made a mistake never seems to occur to them.
This is super common in the amateur videogame crowd. The worst was during the CFW days of the PSP when the guys coming up with the various hacks and jailbreaks acted like complete drama queens at every opportunity and treated the community like shit

>>8452328
>And there's even some Saturn's where even the version with the issue will work fine
It's this, not the disc version. I have a black American model 2 saturn, and the glitch happens unless I start the game from the main menu.

Here's the cool thing I didn't realize though, the American disc is region free. It will play on a Japanese console.

I took the Pseudo Saturn out of my Japanese model 2, booted the console up with the disc inside, and it worked perfect. However, if you use the pseudo saturn/action reply, it won't work. You might assume you'd need it to bypass region coding but it's a region free disc, which is pretty neat. I believe American NiGHTS is also region free, or at least the "not for resale" version is.

>>8462384
>I believe American NiGHTS is also region free, or at least the "not for resale" version is.

the USA release of Nights has both USA and JAP region codes in it and also the asia ntsc one (used for samsung saturn). So it works on korean, japanese and usa consoles.
The JAP version of Nights has the region codes for japanese and korean saturns.

There's quite a bunch of multi-region discs like that. Region coding on the Saturn actually was optional, not unlike on the xbox 360. You master a disc to support any regions.