/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8438550
i had it, it was shit

>>8438550
This thing looks like it has shitty mushy buttons, a stiff D-Pad which isn't precise, and analog sticks lacking in precision.

>>8438550
yes

>>8438550
You're right, but how? There's no such thing as psychics. Just tell me how the fuck you knew!

>>8438550
Literally the only noteworthy thing about it was the D/Xinput switch. everything else about this controller was painfully mediocre at best.
I owned it by the way. the cord failed on me after 2 years of usage.

>>8438550
This controller is for the poors. If you are poor then yes, this is all you need.

>>8438550
Let me guess, third world spic?

>>8438550
Yes dpad and triggers that aren't complete shit

>>8438782
>not using wireless

>>8438793
Look closely at the image. OP hails from some Osama's hole.

>>8438789
>$15 controller lasts 2 years
>painfully mediocre
Just admit it's good for a cheap wired controller.
>>8438803
I get annoyed by changing batteries all the time. I also like the fact the vibration is the same intensity all the time, due to not dealing with depleting voltages in batteries. To a lesser extent, I didn't want to deal with the sync issues with the 710.

>>8438816
>Just admit it's good for a cheap wired controller.
It is a cheap wired controller, but that doesn't mean its good. The triggers were stiff, D-pad was weird, and buttons are mushy. Build quality is also cheap, it fell off my desk once in 2015 and the trigger broke.

I have not used Logitech since 2010 after going through two mx518w in two years, so I will never use this controller. My DS4 controller is going strong 3 years in.

I like the D-pad.

>>8439098
>tfw I'm still using a blue DS3 from 2013
they literally do not make controllers like this anymore

>>8438816
>$15 controller lasts 2 years
about the same price as a PS1 dualshock, an infinitely superior controller sans the D/Xinput switch.
All the PS1 controllers I have still work fine and dandy.

>>8439265
That's how I feel about my mouse. I've been using a Razer Lachesis since 2010, and I know when it breaks I'm going to replace it with something which might last for 5 years if I'm lucky.

>>8438675
How can a dpad be imprecise? It’s fucking digital, you have subhuman intelligence.

>>8439321
You're a legitimate mong if you can't take one look at that d-pad and see why it might not map well mechanically onto a digital output

>>8439326
You’re even stupider than I thought possible. Please look up what digital means. It’s either pressed or it’s not, and with direct-input/x-input software mapping isn’t done on a hardware level. Fuck you’re dumb, holy shit, how many people do you need to assist you in using the bathroom?

>>8438675
>>8439321
>>8439326
>>8439342
You guys are a blast! Both have valid points, but they're about different things, though you think you're talking about the same stuff, so you'll keep misunderstanding each other and fighting for the amusement of us all.

>>8439342
>It’s either pressed or it’s not
No, the signal is either sending or not. There is a mechanical element to getting this signal to send. Can you not see that? Do you genuinely think there's never been any variance in the quality of d-pads throughout all of gaming?
Gonan stop replying, good luck getting the help you need.

>>8438550
>games are all harder, no idea why and didn't realize there was even a problem until you switched to something else.jpg

>>8438550
Got that exact one and it's one of the best controllers in existence. It filters many.

>>8438550
Having played both on a Dual Action as well as a F310, I prefer the former.
The Dual Action has square analog "gates", allowing full range of all analog axes; the F310 has circular gates, which it makes it easier to make circular movements (just glide along the edge of the gate) at the cost of being able to fully reach the corners.

>>8439360
I think his issue is more with the fact you said precise. If it’s being making the connection like it’s supposed to, then because it’s digital there’s no room for error like precision would imply.

Also why are you freaking out so much about a controller you’ve admittedly never used?

>>8438803
These are great. I have 4. I can't even remember how old they but must be at least 10 years. They're all still working perfectly. Only complaint is the soft grip on the black parts breaks down after several years and turns to goo. Was easy enough to clean off and left them smooth and shiny like any other controller. Wish they'd just made them that way to begin with.

>>8439401
>>8439357
to clear up the already muddy points, there's two kinds of precision to consider:

first is signal precision, which for a digital connection (on or off) can be ignored, since it's either on or off. there's no "in-between" value to be precise about.

then there is the mechanical precision, which would include things like consistent actuation of the button when you press on it with your finger
e.g. a microswitch could be said to be more precise than a rubber dome because of more immediate actuation. another factor would be the moving parts' tolerances. if the d-pad rattles or moves a lot on its own, it can be perceived as less accurate

>>8439401
>Also why are you freaking out so much about a controller you’ve admittedly never used?
I'm a different anon, I just saw a mong and jumped in for some banter

>>8438792
What are some controllers for not poors?

>>8439541
The same one.

>>8438553
I went through a ton of these things. The buttons and pad is fine, the sticks are shit, and they are pretty easy to break.

If you're on a budget, go for it. But I'd recommend something sturdier.

inb4 the 8bitdoodoo shills start marketing

>>8439560
>the sticks are shit, and they are pretty easy to break.
They're 100% better than Nintendo's Switch shit ones.

>>8438789
>>8438816
I have a $15 gamepad which has held up fine for like 12 years. It's not like great or anything, but it's adequate.

>>8439560
>the sticks are shit, and they are pretty easy to break.
tf u talking about?
Had mine for 10+ years never broke them

>>8438803
>having to worry about charging batteries
>random connection issues
no thanks

>>8438816
>>8439784
>getting your """knolwege""" from the same youtube
no thanks

>>8438550
No, you need these.

>>8439560
I thought it was the d-pad that sucked on these. The "spring" on the presses felt sluggish (it felt like it was holding onto the input longer than it should have, making fast movements across the d-pad uncertain).

Sad, too, because the shape of the d-pad was really nice.

>>8438550
Absolutely terrible analog sticks. I was stuck abroad during Covid for a year, and this was the only controller I could get. I literally stopped playing video games rather than use it.

>>8440453
Why don't you just use an Xbox 360 controller?

Or is this for a platform that's too old for that?

>>8439880
>"""knolwege"""
Shut up retard.

>>8438550
>xbox buttons
No thanks.
I'll continue using my DS3 on pc.

this board has the most random fucking shills

>>8438550
Too fat, dpad is a fucking piece of shit, buttons feel like garbage

8bitdo sn30 Pro plus is way better than this fucking turd.

>>8440551
good morning sir

>>8440551
What are you even bitching about, faggot?

>>8440468
>get caught parroting
>u-u-ur retarded
Just why? Do you not understand that there are grownups here who actually use this stuff instead of just watch youtubes and talk about it? Just fuck off back to your discord or subreddit faggot.

>>8440578
I'm going to redeem.

>>8440605
>anime stuttering
>/pol/ jew quotes
Ok queer. I hate dealing with batteries with my wiimote. The major complaint with the 710 is it has odd connection problems at random times. I said fuck it and found a f510. I'm old enough I'd rather read shit than watch trash videos, so yt was not part of the equation.

i like the 8 bit do remotes and i've never had a problem with the dpads ever. besides them being a little stiff but still very good

oh and i got two of those blue six button genesis remotes and two three button genesis remotes. all usb

>>8438550
Good unit but too small for adult male hands.

>>8439901
>overpriced nintendo shit
nah

>>8440832
Its the opposite, the Classic Controllers were like $20 MSRP in their heyday. Its not until the Wii U era that Nintendo really began to overprice their shit.

>>8440856
>$20
You think I'm made out of money?

>>8440467
Not him, but the 360 controller has terrible DirectInput support.

Anything from before 2005 is gonna suck.

>>8440856
>were
That word doing the heavy lifting

>>8439321
>How can a dpad be imprecise?
I don't know, ask Nintendo how they managed to fuck up the diagonals on the switch pro controller so badly

Analog deadzones so large and square that you will literally not be able to use a "walk" state of movement in some games in any diagonal direction.

>>8440579
the fact that retards shill this ancient hunk of shit here constantly

>>8438550
This thing has the best dpad I have ever used. Too bad the rest of it is pretty mediocre.

>>8440697
>I hate dealing with batteries with my wiimote.
Not sure why this has to do with anything but I guess it explains why you're such an angry little thing. My youngest kids first console was also a Wii, but I got those rechargeable battery packs with stands so he didn't have to fuck around with batteries. I'm sorry your daddy didn't love you enough to do that for you.
I've never had connection problems with any of my 710s. I have four and have been using them without any problems for at least ten years. I've heard stories about this but it was always some dumb kid who had no credibility and was probably doing it for attention and to fit in. So I guess you read the same thing and that's where you got your story, if you didn't get it from youtube.

>>8441246
>doing it for attention
Seems to be your story.

>>8439321
>never used a 360 pad

I would rather short circuit wires directly with my fingers than use this piece of shit.

>>8442150

>>8438550
A version with non-shitty wireless and rumble would be nice, yeah.

>>8442185
You're in luck. They also make just that.

>>8438550
got some broken ps2 controller, solder the analog of the ps2 to this. almost perfection but the face buttons feel so cheap , like hollow plastic

>>8442293
They don't, the F710 was never updated to the same wireless tech all their newer mice do.

>>8442998
The was referring to the F510, because it's wired and has rumble.

>>8439321
Play any of the fixed camera Resident Evil games on an original Dreamcast and Xbox 360 controller and run in a straight line for as long as you can without wobbling.

>>8438550
>310: decent all-rounder, but no wireless functionality or rumble
>710: has everything the above doesn't, but the wireless is janky
>360: drifty analog, d-pad is AIDS
>Nintendo pads: great d-pad and general functionality but no analog triggers, wtf Nintendo, why after the Gamecube did you nix these? Wii U face buttons tend to have weird hair trigger and double-press now and then
>Sony pads: mushy segmented dpad, great otherwise
>8bitdo: janky across the board, bad dpads
>Xbox One: needs its own gay adapter, dpad's okay I guess
Fucking christ there is NO perfect pad.

>>8442075
>still beat Celeste with the 360 d-pad

>>8441246
epic spergout bro

>>8443063
>>Nintendo pads: great d-pad and general functionality but no analog triggers, wtf Nintendo, why after the Gamecube did you nix these?

ehem, >>8439901 wii classic controller vanilla has analogue shoulders, close enough.

>>8444196
>no rumble
>needs a wiimote for wireless or a USB dongle for a wired connection
Bleh. Might as well use my 310.

How good is this?

>>8443069
Celeste, good game, gay ending.

>>8441957
>>8444164
>no u

>>8441024
This. I had it for years, it was actually well below the minimum functionality one would expect from a budget controller. It lasts forever but it's got this intrinsic limitation the whole way through; it's literally a scam if you play any 3D game where subtle movement exists.

Character can sneak by tilting small amounts? F310 users cannot do this at the corners of its square deadzone, too bad. Your first detected input in that direction is farther and is already past the 'run' threshold, game over loser.

Playing a racing game with careful movement near the center of the stick to adjust course slightly? Get fucked F310 user!

Absolute trash, play as if it's a non-analog controller, then toss it when you can afford anything else. It can last forever in perfect condition just as well at the landfill as your house.

>>8444434
>circular dpad

>>8444810
>Epic reddit post!

>>8444434
the SNES I bought at a grarage sale came with one of those and the dpad was attrocious.
Shame because I really think the turbo buttons would have been useful in super start wars

>>8438550
the color of those buttons makes me tear up inside
so ... beautiful
:( *sniff*

>>8445442
How much of a faggot did you have to become to reply to posts like this? In defense of shitty products no less?

>>8444987
Cope

I don't need more. I need better.

>>8438550
That was my first PC gamepad back when I gamed on my old laptop. Not a bad controller for $20.

>>8445605
>updooted!!!!!!

>>8444810
This. Reason to avoid this gamepad.

>tfw had the old one, with the square gates for the sticks
despite that retardness, it was still ok I guess. lasted multiple years. very solid build too, it failed because of the cord

>>8448217
Ok... I understand octagonal gates but square gates?? What the fuck were they thinking? Did you ever feel limited because of them?

>>8448286
Well I'm sure it's terrible for fighting games, but I don't really like fighting games, so yea. For everything else I guess it was functional. I don't recall any real issues and it was something you got used to it even if it felt kinda weird

>>8438550
I need a workable d-pad, asshole.

how's the google stadia controller? Split dpad in the right location and I think it's clicky like the xbox one dpad (which I like). Does anyone have ones of these? It seems good for retro

>>8439321
How have you never had the misfortune of having to use a bad D-Pad? I fucking envy you.

>stiffness, requiring extra effort to make inputs register
>optionally the pad is mushy and it's not clear how hard you have to press for inputs to register
>poor tolerances, the pad slides in under its gate and gets stuck, either momentarily or you have to manually unstuck it
>lack of precision, pressing on one direction easily registering as one of the adjacent directions
These are just some of the ways which a D-Pad can be bad, including imprecision.

>>8448286
>Ok... I understand verry little.
Well good for you

>>8448286
The sticks are read as square in software, so I guess they figured it'd work in hardware too.

>>8448217
I've replaced cord myself and still works perfectly, bought 16 or 15 years ago. I'm still using it for new games and never had any issues related to square gates.

>>8442075
Xbox 360 dpad is fine.
Only thumblets with shaky hands have a though time keeping it under control.

>>8450404
Even if the d-pad sags then all you need to fix it is a piece of paper, simple af, it's a controller that just werks.

>>8450404
360 dpad was never good. If at any point you need to actively try not to make a wrong input, it's a shit design.

>>8450446
>If at any point you need to actively try not to make a wrong input, it's a shit design.
Imagine getting filtered by a plastic mold.
Maybe if you actually tried using the dpad for 5 consecutive minutes this would stop being an issue.

>>8450460
Don't need to, I have literally any other controller.

>>8450465

>>8438550
Is there a controller with a d/x input switch that doesn't break after a year? And no, I do not throw my electronics around. I still have a working gameboy SP.

>>8450809
i have two of these and I use them to beat up minorities

>>8438816
>>8439784
are you for real?
Mine lasted years with the same batteries.

>>8448286
>What the fuck were they thinking?
do you even know how an analog stick works in practice?

it's two perpendicular pots for X and Y axes. your range of motion is a square
anything other than a square will limit your range of motion. then you will either have deadzones, or unreachable areas, or (god forbid) non-linear input

Using it for emulators and PS3 for years.

>>8451310
that works on ps3??

>>8451114
>years with the same batteries
>doubt

>>8451114
>>8451946
Yeah, I'm not convinced. Now, I know of wireless gamepads which can last like more than half a year on a single AA battery (I think as much as 8 months, and with frequent gaming), but multiple years? I don't know man. In my head I'm picturing a technically wireless gamepad with a huge ass lithium brick hanging from it like a dongle or something, and you'd wear it on a belt or sling it over your shoulder.

>>8451060
Juicy

>>8452780
Anon didn't say he was Nigerian.

>>8452787
I feel so bad for those kids. They have to face their 419 parents and admit they're the only Nigeriens ever scammed by an American.

>>8451729
PS3s can accept generic USB controllers, surprisingly. The home button usually won't work though, just the regular inputs.

Fun fact but when people initially got their hands on the dualshock 4 controller, they were surprised to find it was compatible on PS3, but it turned out that was just because the PS3 recognizes it as a generic USB controller if you plug one in. I don't know if sony ever patched in proper support for the DS4.

>>8453196
what does that controller have to do with 419 scammers?

>>8451282
>have deadzones
Gate shape doesn't affect the existence of deadzones. The thing is that most of the time a deadzone is going to be square, so if your stick has round gates and a square deadzone, THAT'S a big problem, because you have badly limited diagonal range in that case - games adjust to consider the max edge of the circular pad now for a very long time, that's not a problem itself. Most sticks have deadzones, even modern ones. Something like a Gamecube primary stick will not (it's more sensitive than 0 to the degree where games need to be made to consider a tiny amount of perpetual wiggle at 'neutral') but for budget PC controllers it's an absolute rule that it has deadzones.

>>8444434
Not very good.
I had one as a kid, bought brand new along my SNES. Worked okay, until it didn't - the rubber domes in the face button switches weren't durable. With use, the most used buttons started to stick and not come up after releasing a press, due to the domes wearing down.
Bottom line: wouldn't recommend, especially nowadays when the units out there are well over twenty years old. And mine started acting up after a couple of years of use when it was new.

The turbo and slow functions were neat though, at least in theory. In practice, it varied pretty wildly from game to another, especially the slow function, which basically worked by simply auto-spamming the start button to simulate a slow-mo effect. Needless to stay, how well that worked depended entirely on how pausing worked in a given game. I.e. if start button brought up a menu of some kind or paused the game in otherwise non-instant fashion, the slow feature was useless.

>>8438782
had this one
the left stick unit eventually came loose making it completely unusable

>>8454993
Just map the left analog to the right and move the right analog to the d-pad like a true poorfag would.

>>8453213
>what does that zoomerer have to zoom with zoom zoomeers?

>>8438550
Real OGs remember using the dogshit concave d-pad. The ended up breaking and could only register diagonal inputs. I eventually got the newer one that looks like the one >>8448217 posted.

I used to use these when messing around with emulators as a kid, so I have a bit of nostalgia for them. However, I could never resort to using one of these now.

My mom shipped me a USB Saturn controller as one of my Christmas gifts back in '19 and I prefer to use that. I usually see people on here shitting on them but mine feels exactly like an OG Saturn controller aside from the shoulder buttons feeling noticeably more "clicky". I found out that they're peddled as official Sega controllers since Sega themselves commissioned/endorsed them, so that's kinda cool

>>8438550
Based
whiteys are seething.

>>8457552
pic? link? wtf are you talking about

I thought this was at least "ok for the price" even though its terrible deadzone diagonals problem made any precision 3D games or racing games less than functional. Then I found out most console pad to USB adapters were going for cheaper than it anyway, so it isn't even the budget option. Don't know who could need this, there are better options above and below the price point and the product physically imposes limitations that shouldn't be present.

>>8459508
>then everyone clapped

>>8460464
Non-sequitors misusing memes isn't helping you look like a non-shill.

>>8457552
Are you talking about the retrobit ones? Their molds are using factory molds and their licensing fucked the West from having the 6-button arcade pad for the Switch that came out only for Japan.
Fuck Retroshit.

>>8458343
He's talking about RetroBit.

>>8460484
But if I don't have a Switch, how does that matter to me?

>>8438550
See: >>8461142

>>8460484
>Their licensing fucked the West from having the 6-button arcade pad for the Switch that came out only for Japan.
I don't understand the problem, can't you just import it?

>>8453212
>I don't know if sony ever patched in proper support for the DS4.
No, it didn't.