/vr/ - Retro Games

it's not 100% accurate

It's fine. The soul/soulless meme needs to die already.

>>8433716
It's superior to the original games, but they did lose their visual identity. Your opinion on these games is probably going to depend on how much that matters to you.

>>8433716
Do you find it fun to play?
If so then who cares, soulful/soulless is not a measurable metric. What matters is whether you enjoy your time.

>>8433721
I don't necessarily hate the meme itself, sometimes it can be pretty spot on.
But yeah it's time to stop trying to force it into things that aren't soulless, like based All Stars
inb4 collage-kun, he's always wrong.

It's ABSOLUTE GARBAGE

literally unplayable

Soulful, but arguably inferior. Whether you like it more or not comes down to personal taste. Except for the Mario 1 block glitch which you can easily patch now.

>>8433716
I like it and back in the day this was a hell of a deal. Four games in one including one never released here. With slight graphical upgrades in each game.

I think the arguments now of it some how being "shitty" or "soulless" in someway comes from modern ideas and access to shit so easily. Games were expensive back in the day. And still are but dropping 60 dollars at electronics boutique or kb toys for a game in 1991 was a lot of money. Also the only criticisms I've ever seen of it are really really minor that nobody would ever notice unless pointed out.

Like how In the first mario game on all stars. Mario hits blocks slightly different than he does in the nes game. I never noticed that until some youtube complainer pointed it while discussing a rom hack that "fixed the issue" 99% of people never noticed .

>>8433716
I like the US release that also included Super Mario World a lot. I actually prefer the versions of SMB3 and SMW in that version to any other. I like the way 1 and Lost Levels look but the music is kinda eh. I hold the NES and SNES versions of those games on equal footing. Never really cared for 2.

>>8433737
>literally unplayable
If its 1% worse than the original why would you want to play it?

Better than the originals

>>8433716
soulless. well only for "the lost levels"
I unironically like how they remade SM3 though

>>8433716
I'm gonna play it now to find out
Will report back

its a fine way to replay the classic after you experience the original games

>>8433772
>I like it and back in the day this was a hell of a deal.
I remember it cost extra compared to other first party games at the time because it was a "4-in-1". SNES games were normally about $100 in Australia at the time and SMAS was something like $115.

>>8433716
Hello, this is the Soul Appraiser. This game has about a 60% of Soul. That is all.

>>8433720
>it's not 100% accurate

Back in the day: Spend three fiddy for shipping and get four free Mario games in the mail...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnOtFNI_PJc

That was pretty based.

>>8433943
I got a paper route when I was 13 so I could a SNES and get it. I remember checking the mail every day after school.... IIRC it came on a Friday (or my mom hid it until Friday) so I had all weekend to play it nonstop

>>8433716
Shiggy made and approved, just like Mario 64 DS. Soul.

>>8433967
That explains why I cant diggy this shit.

>>8433956

Nintendo giving away Mario Allstars promotion was pressure from Sega. The All Stars promotion happened between September to December of 1993. But earlier in the same year Sega did the Sonic 2 mail-in promotional giveaway. For the price of postage, they would send genesis owners a free copy of Sonic 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM7viKTmBOQ

This promotion happened between January to April 1993.

>>8433956

Nintendo Mario Allstars promotion was pressure from Sega. The All Stars mail-in giveaway happened between September to December of 1993. But earlier in the same year Sega did this for Sonic 2, through mail-in and a proof of purchase UBC, they would send Genesis owners a free copy of Sonic 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM7viKTmBOQ [Embed]

This promotion happened between January to April 1993.

>>8433917
idr exactly what it cost back in the day but i think you're right. it was slightly more expensive. i'm in the usa and i could be wrong but aren't games more expensive in australia and stuff? being islands and all? i heard games in new zealand cost like double than here in the usa

>>8434004
>>8433917
i think it was like 70 or something USD. fuck i remember saving up money to get umk3 that shit alone was like 70 bucks lmao

play 1 on NES
2 and 3 on SNES

>>8433721
No YOU need to die you soulless cunt.

I would enjoy SMAS more if they replaced the sound effects from Mario World with the original NES sounds. They just sound better.

>4 games in one cartridge, 5 if the SMW cart
>better graphics and music
>better controls
Have to be a contrarian retard to shit on SMAS

>>8433773
mario if he green

>>8433896
SMB1 was fun to play. I played the full game instead of warping but decided to tap out at the challenge mode.
It's a lot kinder to give unlimited continues. The NES version is definitely harder

>>8434071
>no u
embarrasing

soulless

>>8434135
whoever made this doesn't know what censorship is

>>8434135
massive cringe

>>8434135

>>8434152
soul soulless

>>8433716
All-Stars has a ton of soul just not as much as the original.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pog_qvVulno

>>8434152
Dog king bros...

>>8433981
Shig is based END OF

>>8433773
Top one is unironically more soulful. Nintendo censoring the green fireball and green Mario was the start of the Mandate. We saw the signs and we could've stopped them but, but we didn't.

>>8433716
The GBA versions of 2 and 3 were superior.

>>8434152
>dog that looks like nothing else in the series
>random kappa which secretly ties in with the monk statue Mario
>non-descript dinosaur
>seal tossing the crow in the air
SOVL overload. Meanwhile the others are just lazy copy pastes from the other games culminating into that goddamn Yoshi's Island sprite.

>>8433716
Well, the gameplay is kept pretty much entirely in-tact, and the ability to save is definitely nice, so they're certainly good remakes in their own rights. I do think that the changes to the games' physics are slightly detrimental, but they're so minor that they don't harm the experience in any meaningful way.

The art style is the real issue, and I don't think that the addition of a save feature is quite enough to make up for it (especially given that the warp zones/whistles in the NES versions do a lot to make up for its absence). One thing that I really appreciate about the NES Mario games is that, despite being extremely early in their genre, they still have very unique art direction and don't just look like "generic platformers" as you might expect. The All-Stars versions come way closer to that, and the difference is especially pronounced in SMB3. So I'll always go back to the originals, although I will say that, when it was first released, the version that included Super Mario World was probably the best deal in the business. Having all those awesome games on a single cartridge was probably unbelievable.

>>8434443
I don't know how you can say that about the only game where Luigi can shoot fireballs from his mouth.

>>8433716
The brick physics for 1 are all fucked up, and 2 and 3 have been outmoded by their Advance counterparts on GBA, but it's still a fine game.

Splitting hairs over it like these autists >>8434135
>>8434138
Will never stop amusing me however.

>>8433716
all-stars: soulless
world + all-stars: soul

>>8433716
I love it a day I prefer it to the originals

I really love the completely conscious, deliberate modification to the brick physics!

>>8434465
>goddamn Yoshi's Island sprite.
You do realize All Stars came out before Yoshi's Island, right?

>using a completely unimaginative and completely useless blanket term that describes nothing at all
>having the breadth of the English language at your fingertips and not being creative in your personal expression
>using meme terms that have been repeated ad nausium and out you as being a total fucking nitwit
>soul
>soulless

with every passing year my hate grows for the newfag users of this place and the way you've shitted up this place with your complete haphazard posting style and general dumbing down that seems to be contagious as you have no fucking brains of your own and just repeat shit like mindless fucking drones

>>8434004
>idr exactly what it cost back in the day but i . i'm in the usa and i could be wrong but aren't games more expensive in australia and stuff?

Yes, especially in the 80s, 90s and 00s. There was the exchange rate difference, plus an extra margin of markup. These days the prices are fairly similar to other counties after accounting for exchange rate.

>>8434135
Based

>>8434996
>completely useless
The concept of soul as a quality was born way before you and developed by people way, way smarter than you.

>>8433716
what is bowser staring at in that image?

>>8435312
He has a sadistic desire to step on that goomba's skull

>>8434135
I hate to agree with this autism but SM3 had this entire theme of being a "play" with pop-up cardboard backgrounds designed to look put on a simple stage.
Adding proper background detail and fleshing it out actually ruins that.
>>8434152
>The king has been turned into random things
vs
>The king has been turned into random other sprites we have on the cart to save space

>>8435312
looking at peach butt?

>>8435312
pretty sure it’s Peach’s ass

>>8435374
>The king has been turned into random other sprites we have on the cart to save space
Bullshit, open up the allstars rom on yy-chr and locate mario 3 graphics, the king-transformation sprites are located in same part where the rest of mario 3 graphics are. Plus the game doesn't even compress its graphics, so nintendo didn't give two shits about saving space. And besides, none them are directly taken from previous games other than maybe the smb2 snake I dont care enough to double check

>>8435259
And has been bastardized and misappropriated by morons such as yourself till the point where it is completely useless.

>>8435683
Hopefully it will continue to make you seethe as long as it's used.

>>8434996
Put a bullet through your head then

>>8434996
very true but hey it's just a phase likely if it makes ya feel any better. though hopefully whatever shit is moved onto next isn't equally as uninspired.

>>8433716
It has a very minor inaccuracy in SMB1/LL, where hitting a brick with your head doesn't change your vertical speed in the correct way (bounce). You can fix this with a patch that's widely available. There aren't any other issues other than some people not liking the graphics, so otherwise it's a great rendition of everything else.

>>8435550
Not part of this discussion but compression on SNES is actually special chip behavior, so not wanting to use that would be a fine reason not to compress data (I am with you in that I doubt the cart being full was a reason for anything in All Stars though).

>>8434152
Why did they censor the animals?

It would be fun to romhack this game to fix it according to that one image that gets posted all the fucking time, and do so in a way that still retains the fidelity of SNES graphics.

>>8435683
Don't forget to take your geritol, anon

>>8433716
all stars is sovl.

>>8434443
Take your meds please. The bottom one has so much more personality to it. He literally sneezes fireballs, it's great.

>>8435774
>but hey it's just a phase likely if it makes ya feel any better

Anon this soul vs soulless shit has been going on since the early 2010s with no signs of stopping anytime soon.

>>8434854
Look at the box arts again. Dumb take.

>>8437962
:( legitimately just saw it on here a couple months back, that's lame then
at least in such a direct way, like yea sure i've heard people call things soulless but that was hardly the focal point in it

>>8433716
It's okay, as long as you're not an autist.

>the save system takes all the difficulty out of the game! You can infinite P-wings and Warp Whistles in World 1 by saving and restarting over and over!

>>8433721
Indeed. This while site needs to die already.

>>8434071
>>8434124
Too bad YOU will die.

>>8434996
4channers in a nutshell

>>8433716
>2
Better in my opinion but it's up to preference. Personally I like the lego block undergroud areas.
>3
Up to preference
>1
Worse because of block bug
>Lost Levels
Also has block bug but you can get to the letter worlds without playing the game a bunch of times so it's 50/50

Y'all niggas know this exists, right?

>>8439340
No, I had no idea. That's awesome.

>>8439340
Yeah, but it's redundant if you're playing on an emulator or flashcart.

>>8439346
It implements actual save files, though. I mean, I guess save states can "work" as such for the original games, but those always have a chance of breaking in between emulator versions.

They're soulful, but if they're better depends on the game. Some are great, others aren't as good as the original versions.

>>8434135
generic, souless cave lmao

>>8435387

>>8434152
>they changed the seal... to a MOLE
SNESbros... it's over.

>>8433716
After you play them 5-9 times each you get bored of it quick

Lost levels > sm2/sm3 > sm1 > smw