/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://www.nexusmods.com/quake/mods/7
https://www.moddb.com/mods/violent-rumble

AD MORTEM
Beta thread
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125461-ad-mortem-a-mbf21-halloween-themed-megawad-beta/
Current release
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18le6ho89YT_myg8CiUUk2mw1439zPyyJ/view

=== NEWS ===
[12-12] Zandronum 3.1 is out
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10437

[12-11] Retroquad 0.10.0 is out, last release of the year
https://twitter.com/mankrip/status/1469681148880109573

[12-10] Patchwork has been cancelled

[12-10] Russian Immanuel Kant Baltic Federal University team present neurointerface, plays Doom with it
https://iz.ru/1262055/2021-12-09/kaliningradskie-uchenye-nauchilis-chitat-mysli

[12-09] Jonathan's Arcade Mapping Project #1 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126184

[12-09] Doom Mod Collection got a big update
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5755611

[12-08] BuildGDX v1.16 released
https://m210.duke4.net/

[12-06] The Force Engine updated to 0.8
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114497-the-force-engine-jedi-engine-portreplacement/

[12-05] Lee Jackson is now taking musical commisions
https://dleejackson.lbjackson.com/commissions/

[12-02] Bethesda Quake port updated, added Horde Mode
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2310/view/3102414008261877214

[11-30] Zerostorer: Dead Zone released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY-6j1jdzDU

[11-29] Doom 64 25th Anniversary CP announced
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126015-doom64-25th-anniversary-community-map-jam/

[11-23] Alkaline 1.1 for Quake released
https://www.quaddicted.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=989

[11-22] Anon starts a Doom server for oblige maps
http://dailydoommap.org/

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>>8420463
>3d best
damn stragiht

Rebecca (Formerly Burger Bill) Ann Heineman everyone

any nice mod pairings for corruption cards?

Can Ion Fury Aftershock get released soon pretty please? I mean sure, take all the time needed to ensure it's good but I sure feel like I'm getting really ready for it. Currently playing through IF on Maximum Fury to get ready for AfterShock. Enjoying hunting for secrets even if I know that I probably won't find a lot of them.

Also been casually playing through DOOM 2, almost done with Blood. Though I still have Cryptic passage to go through.

Looking forward what the throwback shooter genre can muster. Also looking forward to SiN Remaster, never played that game so hopefully the remaster won't suck.

>>8420480
literally anything
no really, it works with just about anything
try it with your favorite mod/map combo you've already played to death to spice it up.

Duke Nuclear Winter : trash or misunderstood masterpiece?

>>8420480
anything period

>>8420515
>>8420504
Even Hideous Destructor?

>>8420480
I like to use legendoom lite and the champions mod for maximum RNG bullshit.

>>8420480
colorfull hell
champions
legendoom lite

>>8420546
>>8420557
Cheers boys time for fun

>>8420542
absolutely

>>8420572
Be sure to turn on the legendoom compatibility with champions on the mod options.

>>8420572
I also like playing Doom with mods like that, makes it feel like a roguelike. There is also DRLA mod that tries to do that but that has huge compatibility issues with other mods from what I remember

>>8420269
In terms of suggested choices, Yamagi is on the top of the list, also almost no one knows the exclusive KMQ2 maps and mods.

>>8420634
When I first looked around for "vanilla Q2 port" Yamagi is what I stumbled into, so at least those purist sticklers were good for that.

Almost done with Descent 1.
What a game. Top tier music (OPL3), top tier gameplay. Probably the hardest commercially released FPS I've ever played, also one of the most unique ones. I didn't know there were secret levels until I found the first one.
Also didn't know what ship autoleveling did, but once I found out I turned it off and instantly became better at the game.
I'm also playing through Descent 2 at the same time, which is a lot easier, a lot more advanced, but I feel it isn't as memorable. Also, why only 4 midi tracks for 27+ levels. Wtf were they thinking.

Does anyone see MetaDoom as a justification/excuse for new Doom games still being made?
Sounds stupid as fuck, but the mod gives this insight of how actually deep the "real" Doom universe is, by exploring a series and adding things that technically exist.
It's like if Mario's universe is defined as big, not because of characters or stories, but because of mechanics, movesets, enemies, level things etc, which in turn makes a series for fun for crossovers and fan games, mods or rom hacks.
This notion that a game isn't a "toy" but a collection of toys and each entry is a different sandbox with something to offer.
Doom was already "expanded" by mods but those are usually "non canon", so these "legacy/backport" mods are different for the source material alone.
And that project Reincarnation of Evil even tries to make stuff fit the classic aesthetic.
Basically, making a new game under the Doom brand can have reasons to me made (as long as it's good, interesting and has a proper legacy), even if it will eventually look for a different game format (besides the "Doom dance", though it's unlikely because of how successful Eternal is and if id tries to make it more flexible) or take even more elements from other games like Quake or Heretic.
But if id ever tried to literally copy modders, just "hire that man" and give them some respect and payment for suggesting things that could/would/should have been "canon" and don't ever go after fan mods or something.
Even then, fuck Mighty Doom, at least turn that into a hidden minigame inside a major game like turkey puncher.

>>8420508
The level with the santa grotto when you can be inside and outside looking through windows - that was a very good one with great xmas style. Most of its other levels are trash, new monsters are complete trash. So it is better to just replay Carribean.

>>8420475
Xer had quite a cool story about Another World console port.

Where can I find a good guide on how to do scripting in DEHACKED?
I want to do simple stuff like altering frame timing and such, but I can't get my head around it by looking at examples.

>>8420475
>is the person who won that 80s space invaders championship
>married to a jennell (formally paul) jaquays who worked on quake 2 and 3
>starting to google 'rebecca heineman' brought up a point in my browser history from awhile ago revealing a twitter post that they developed the pc port of killing time
i wasn't ready for any of this

>>8420838
Use WhackEd4.
Go to "states" panel
Select "thing" you want to change the states of from the "filter" drop down.
Select the state that you want to change the timing of.
Change "duration" of state.

Everything is in 35 fps, so a state duration of 35 lasts one second.

If you need to know anything else lemme know. There aren't really any great guides out there that I've found, or at least any better than what is on the original DEH website.

So I'm playing Hexen II for the first time right now. Really enjoying it, criminally under talked about. BUT I picked too easy a difficulty setting. Once I beat it I'm planning on going back and playing it on the next highest setting. Besides Paladin what's a fun character to play? I'm leaning towards Crusader but open to the other two

>>8421054
Its fucking awesome I love the fantasy art style it had, it was so edge 90s.

Its very doable on highest difficult until the last level and REDDACTED enemies

Although you can stock on ovinomancer staff and fuck them.

Necromancer is fun. My fav is Paly as well.

>>8421054
>>8421115
But is it the best 1997 fps?

>>8421115
>>8421054
I always thought Hexen 2 had a shit artstyle, as someone that loves the first game.
Not-real life location is so boring compared to the dark fantasy of the first game. Gameplay is also weaker.
But Paladin is my favourite character as well (it was Cleric in the first game).

Recommend me a megawad for playing with RLA.

>>8421145
Its what was possible on quake engine, I like it its chunky and well made.

The concept art was still as darkish as the first game.

Now would be the time to make a lengthy Hexen with multiple classes and combos etc. But nobody cares. It would be gay probably anyway.

Anyone got a list of working duke/blood mods for raze android port?
deathwish works perfectly

>>8421145
>>8421161
I never played the first Hexen but from what people say about it it sounds profoundly annoying

>>8421054
The Assassin is interesting. Her blue mana weapon is a crossbow with 3 bolts, like in Heretic. Her green mana weapon is a literal grenade thats very powerful, but also a bit difficult to use considering the arc. One of her abilities lets you backstab enemies with the starting dagger.

>patchwork has been cancelled

why?

These 40k textures are fun

The single most contrarian Quake video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NlyUDlIhEA

>>8421285
i got a bored a few minutes in so i decided to watch his 4 gameplay at x2 speed

>>8421271
needs more skulls
>>8421313
tells you something about Q4 when 200% is still way too slow

Has someone made a chart of doom TC mods?

>>8420448
You're grouping games that aren't even connected everyday like an idiot

>>8421285
Anyone who calls a game a tech demo is not worth listening to.

What if Final Doom was released for the Saturn?

>>8421192
Please share, if you find some incompatibilities. I've only tried vanilla games on Raze so far, had zero issues with Duke, Blood and RR.

Graf Zahl has shit taste in games

>>8421208
Hexen art-direction is the best over all classic FPSes. You can just walk around the hub, listen to catchy music, enjoy the gloomy surroundings and punch infrequently spawned Ettin (similar to Metroid Prime in that regard). To get how really great is Hexen - try playing Witchaven before it (it has superior graphics despite being released slightly earlier). Each area in Hexen has its own unique atmosphere and archeticture. Puzzles are logical and functional map makes the navigation easy and relaxing. Just don't expect much fighting, actual gameplay on each hub start after you cleared the mobs. Besides vanilla - Wrath of Cronos is a very nice mod.

>play violent rumble
>finish clocktower
>1/8 secrets found

how am I this bad?

>>8421412
also I bet you need to reach the roof before the clock hits midnight to get the lightning gun right?

>>8421385
I've never played Hexen, are there actual puzzles or is it the usual Doom-style "find the obscure switch to open the door across the map?"

>>8421417
No.
look for the moon

Got to the chicken plant room in Opposing Force and lost the interest. It is 100% linear, after n-th room i stopped searching for secrets and now afraid about possible irreversible brain damage to my FPS skills. One can watch it on youtube without loosing anything - gameplay is that shallow. Killing aliens with a shotgun was fun, guns and mobs are well-made. But it was one single midboss fight that required me to actually move around and think about positioning. And now there is no ammo and i forced to use gay alien claws gun - no way.

>>8421427
Doom style switches mostly. And doors are open across multiple huge maps of the current hub. Still 100% worths it.

>>8420451
xmas jam 2021 released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/arcane-dimensions/addons/xmasjam2021

>>8421427
>>8421468
To be fair most of Hexen 2 is also find this obscure switch to proceed

>>8420463
Goddamn write inna benis.

>>8420672
W H I C H M A P

>>8420463
>sad xmas
every year

>>8421320
That's Angron Installation, the first mapset of a trilogy. Very classy.

>>8421557
>>8421528
Whoops
Q4 is funny though

>>8421495
No? Hexen 2 has noticeably different puzzle design from 1 because theres almost no switch hunting, its mainly item hunts and combination puzzles.

>>8421261
No interest in it.

>>8421271
Are those available online some place?

Ashes Afterglow is the best doom mod/game ever made

>>8421583
violent rumble wip mega
https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ/folder/rA9mTIwL

>>8421651
Agreed. It's still a bit janky, always had to save before talking with NPCs because sometimes stuff got fucked, but holistically it's a masterpiece that offers a bit of everything, and does almost all of it to perfection.

>>8421443
Filtered

Is there a decent source port of Rise of the Triad yet?

>play Quake for the first time in 20 years
>enjoy episode 1, remember much of it vividly to this day
>love episodes 2 and 3, remember bits and pieces
>just telefragged Shub-Niggurath
>but what the fuck was up with episode 4
>check map credits
The Nameless City was good though. Initially I was tempted to go straight to Arcane Dimensions, but figured I should maybe save it for later. If I want to play more tech/human-themed Quake like the first levels of each episode, and large buildings/constructions like Gloom Keep, Ogre Citadel, and The Nameless City, what wads should I play?

>>8421285
lmao this is garbage, he doesn't understand what he's talking about at all. He sounds so aggravated from the start.

>>8421335
It was probably a nonstarter after the first one turned to shit. Potentially a different team (perhaps Lobotomy Software) make the port instead, and it's actually playable.

>>8420451
Sunder map20 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/46002-sunder-map20-appears-finally/

I THINK DOOM 64 SUCKS

The Quest to Save Sneed Claus: Anniversary Edition has been released.
https://basedniggapublishing.wordpress.com/the-quest-to-save-sneed-claus-anniversary-edition/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyTi7ZYd_y4

>>8420694
>Top tier music (OPL3)

The CD soundtrack on the other hand is God tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLd6Y981OoA

>>8422308
So you took pol.wad and made this out of it?
Alright.

>>8422308
looks like shit, downloading right away

>>8422281
You know in that scene, Fred believed the opposite but the Coolsville fake news edited his statement to make it look like he thought DOOM 64 SUCKS

>>8422281
I think Doom II kinda sucks honestly. I don't feel it hits the highs of the first game. The level design is worse. I don't like the new monsters. I'm not even that fond of the SSG. I like the original SG. I swear I'm not a zoomer. I got my copy as a gift the year it launched. The box was really cool though. To this day I haven't completed the game. Though I'm going to make it a goal to do that this coming year to see if I change my mind.

GOD
Augur Zenith is great

>>8422442
I'm in the same boat. Doom II genuinely feels like shit and I don't get the appeal. The original is a ton of fun, while Doom II feels like Sandy just took a fat sandy shit all over your chest and molded it into a level.

>>8422461
Doom 2 is weird because I love the SSG and the combat setpieces, but the actual level layouts are jank as hell; they all bleed together into this surreal clusterfuck where it's not clear where Earth ends and Hell begins. Doom 1 wasn't exactly realistic either but the levels at least looked like... anything.

>>8421285
I watched his review for the first game. It kind of feels like somebody that really was dead set on not enjoying a game at all from the get go. I can't see how anybody can pick up Quake 1 and not be immediately pulled in to the simple, but satisfying gameplay. The muddy graphics really work for the game as well. I did feel like the weapons lacked the "oomph" factor that Doom's weapons had. It's still really satisfying to use the grenade launcher and the nail guns though. That said, it's probably my second fave fps at this point. Only because Doom exists.

>>8420480
lt typhon, Dusted pandemonia

>>8422458
I was also pleasantly surprised going down that elevator

>>8422469
I think doom 2's new monsters and SSG are invaluable assets, but Id didn't really know how to use them properly so the game as a whole is kind of a mess. Plutonia, on the other hand, displays a good understanding of the new monsters and is the best of the classic dooms imo.

>>8422409
Just got done with it after doing IDFA and mowing everything down, it's about what I expected it to be

>>8422458
its great,has a nice look,though it can be a bit cluttered at times

>>8421192
Isn't death wish just a map pack? I assume shit like that works well, but actual gameplay mods like Alien Armageddon that requires eduke I doubt will ever work, idk if Blood even has gameplay mods like that

>>8421651
playing it now,first impression is its alright,its cool to see advanced GZ doom features that don't tank the fps (at least on my PC),though the long reload on the shotgun is horrid,it should be much faster and not punish you for emptying the clip,its so bad i actually am liking the pistol alot more.

Post Doom and Doom II maps that you think actually hold up even to this day

>>8422582
Personally, I'm quite fond of Map18: The Courtyard. It's about as pleasant looking as the vanilla assets would permit an outdoor level to be, and all the monsters pouring into the central area for a big firefight is a lot of fun. A bit of a shame how little of the map you actually have to visit to beat it, but the non-linear environment makes hunting secrets more fun.

>>8422582
inmost dens

>>8422582
Downtown

Doom 2's second act seems to be a highlight of the game, given the replies.

>>8422130
> >but what the fuck was up with episode 4
"We need to ship this shit in a month, Sandy, you lazy ass, you have it until Friday to complete your maps"
> tech/human-themed Quake like the first levels of each episode
Insomnia
> large buildings/constructions like Gloom Keep, Ogre Citadel
Something Wicked

>>8422582
The Spirit World and especially The Living End.

>>8421753
Yes, I want to like it, rooms are looking very nice, textures are bright and diverse, geometry is realistic enough for some real research/factory place. And I really like the first part of original Half-Life. Just Opposing Force only uses the weakest parts of Half-Life gameplay and hand-holding is over the top.

>>8422582
Doom2: first six maps, Circle of Death, Industrial Zone - can replay them any day.

>>8409285
>This post got no attention for the span of an entire thread
Guess the project just was never meant to be. Sorry anon. But I guess we should've seen it coming since interest was low to begin with, pic related.

>>8422746
what the fuck, these are my picks for the worst maps in doom 2

>>8422724
The Living End is a great "final stage". (I know the Icon is its own map but this is the last traditional level)
You go down the elevator and you can just tell that stone structure across the chasm is where the endgame is; then you circle inward to the exit. It's a pretty linear level, but the ramp-up before the final boss is great. Shame the actual fight is just a lift puzzle.

>>8422759
Its a genuine opinion, formed by childhood experience, but I've replayed them many times since then, usually dropping after Crusher. Because of reliance on E1 I've liked its linkrelated reimagination so much: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=67485

Hey guys I know GE isn't talked about much here but does anyone know if the Goldfinger 64 can work in the 1964 emulator? Looks interesting

American McGee made most of my favorite levels in Doom 2. Everyone else had pretty varying showings of quality maps across the game. But I'm not sucking his dick too much cause he also made the worst levels in Thy Flesh Consumed.

>>8422831
Yeah, people usually sperg out about Romero and Sandy and forget about him but if I were to rank Doom 2 mappers by the percentage of their maps I liked McGee would be at top

>>8422582
Every single Doom 2 map is good. Even Nirvana.

What is the ultimate way to play Blood 2 today? DgVooDoo is for graphics, ok. Yet what about bugs and balance issues?

>>8422884
If you're looking for something that unfucks it like wesp's unofficial patch for Bloodlines, I don't think it exists. I remember people talking about extra crispy mod for it, Idk how good it is myself though

>>8422896
Extra Crispy looks more like a total overhaul for replaying. So the IS cursed without any remedy. Time to suffer then.

>>8422884
>Yet what about bugs and balance issues?
That's a natural feature of all LithTech 1 games. Even the KISS one that wasn't running on half a dev team.

>that stage in ashes afterglow where you have 5 minutes to turn off the gas
The most kino segment in doom modding history
>>8422572
>it should be much faster
keep playing

is it me or is it way harder to make good douk levels than good doom levels? tools aside, it feels like the combination of trying to model real world locations and placing doodads and shit everywhere to make the world feel lived in is just an impossible task

>>8423012
Build games do certainly require a lot more effort to make something that doesn't look out of place alongside the included maps.

>>8422831
I personally think he was decent, but often followed a formula. Inmost Dens stands out as fairly unique, though.

>>8422945
It seems to run alright for the train map, haven't seen all the RNG bullshit e-celebs were talking about. Is it because of the patches included along with the addon? The only problem that my laptop is too shitty so 820m doesn't seem to be enough for stable framerate under dgvoodoo. Heh, even software mode is faster.

>>8422130
the official Scourge of Armagon has a base episode and then a medieval episode
classic base: Hexameron, Final Threat, Plumbers Carry Shotguns; AD also has plenty
grungier base: Rubicon 2, Rubicon Rumble, Dismal Signal, Dark Portal
large-scale medieval: Marcher Fortress, Masque of Red Death, Something Wicked, Binn Dunn Gorne
knave (Gloom Keep meets Q3): Contract Revoked, Subterranean Library, func Jam 9
also Warp Spasm to help appreciate sandyish encounter design and improve taste
and Underdark Overbright for something more compact than AD but equally high quality

>>8423085
My bad, I shitted on my computer but I was just dumb and installed dgvoodoo incorrectly. Now it flies as it possibly can.

>>8423012
It is required to have a Masters Diploma in Architecture and Construction to do proper Douk levels, Roch mapper can confirm

Hey, im going to the bear pits tomorrow, you wanna come with?

>>8422553
Uhhh did you get to level 2

>>8420475
Id were pretty damn based.

>>8423394
Pft, couldn't pay me enough!

>>8423476

Whaaat?! You soft belly! The bears have got these new muzzles with underslung cheek spikes. Last time I was there, hehe, there was a real eye-gouging!

Go to this link:
https://www.random.org/integers/?num=3&min=1&max=32&col=1&base=10&format=html&rnd=new

The three numbers you'll get is map numbers from Doom 2, Plutonia and TNT respectively and you must made a map inspired by all 3.

I like GZDoom.

>>8422957
do i get a better shotgun?
i know theres an SSG equivalent so is that what you mean?

>>8423581
I like Lilith more

>>8423581
(THIS USER WAS BANNED)

>>8423012
Yeah, thats definitely true. And I think thats one of the main reasons why there's much fewer Duke maps than Doom maps. Its too intimidating for newbies to make something that matches the original game, let alone the best user maps.

>>8423581

>>8420508

Jesus, that guy looks like he means business. I hope he has lots of bubblegum.

>>8423581
Yea and brutal doom

>>8423657

Wtf is the matter with GZDoom?

>Duke Nukem is the toughest action hero guy in the universe
>His entire soundtrack is some kind of dark ambient
How comes?

>>8423730
duke is actually a pretty dark game

Okay, but which FPS protagonist would win in an arm wrestling competition against the rest?
My bet's on Serious Sam.

>>8423761
I think Sam will be best at backpedalling marathon.

>>8420976
You are truly awesome, thanks a million!
Will return when I've made something worth sharing.

>>8423615
You can put a reload mod on it. That won't get rid of ghost loading, though.

dean of doom guy slowed down his production considerably after opening a patreon. many such cases!

>>8423761
Baratus?

>>8423756

Yeah the strippers strung up in alien cocoons mumbling "kill me" were dark indeed.

>https://mega.nz/folder/QXIk1bjB#NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q
mega doesn't allow me to download those files from the browser, therefore i'm assuming the torrent (pic rel) contains the same ones? if so, i'd be extremely grateful if some anon that has it could seed it for a while
thanks in advance

ZDOOM GOOD
GZDOOM BAD

IMGUR LINK BECAUSE THE MODS ARE LAZY RETARDS WHO RANGEBAN EVERYTHING:

https://i.imgur.com/8hGxk55.png

Am I the only one who experienced this graphic issue while going through Heartland? So far it has happened in this map (MAP05) and MAP01.

Also, I hate how freelook works with this source port, there's some weird acceleration I can't seem to get rid off even after tinkering with mouse sensitivity and switching acceleration modes/turning it off.

>>8423939
Whichever runs my gameplay mods..

>>8423730
>title screen is duke standing on the corpses of monsters in front of an explosion while grabbag plays
>the actual game is walking through lifeless cities and derelict space stations filled with horrific hitscanners while moody ambience plays
false advertising, man

>>8423948
eternity is a really unpleasant to use engine next to prboom+, DSDA-DOOM,or anything ZDOOM based,and performance is low too.
puts a very sour note to a very good wad.

>>8423730
Because a lot like Doom, it's actually sci-fi-horror flavored action, only with Duke himself serving as a comic relief, juxtaposed with the grim and dark tone of some levels, creating a good contrast, along with some audacious humor here and there.

As Duke remains a true badass, and he doesn't just quip away the horrors he sees as some sort of narcissistic sociopath (like in Duke Nukem Forever), the tone doesn't get awkward, and this ridiculous superhero remains sympathetic. He is able, he is caring, so even if he's bizarre, you feel confident in his ability to stop the Alien Bastards, and you know he's personally invested in his mission.

>>8423761
Security Officer, he can just keep hopping worlds till he wins.

>>8423776
You know what would be a fun little project? Comparing all the retro fps protagonists to find out who has the best strengths and weaknesses. And not only for their physical capabilities but also their arsenals. Who has the best rocket launcher? Best minigun? Would be neat to find out and try to quantify.

>Half Life is supposed to be dark
>has comedy with the scientists
WTF bros false advertisement

>>8423976
may I interest you in
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=51771

>>8423987
While still a cool mod, it's putting all the characters into Doom which doesn't fit with what I proposed. What I'm talking about is comparing all the characters to each other as they are in their respective games. One small issue would be comparing games that have random damage values like Doom. I guess you could just take the average for that.

>>8423976
I'd imagine Caleb would be pretty high up there with the whole "undead" thing.

>>8423761
Baratus, look at his fucking arms.

>captcha: RNGAY
Man how do I even get the motivation to finish Quake 2? Playing this game is like eating through a pack of unseasoned biscuits.

>>8423978
EEUGH

>>8423948
It's kind of baffling to me how out of all the sourceports out there, only GzDoom has a good and sorted options menu.
>everything listed under categories
>just scroll through the lists, don't have to use Boom's stupid and awkward page setup, you can even search for options
>supports all kinds of different gamepads and lets you configure controls in all kinds of ways

>>8424028
it's powered by German autism, what did you expect

>>8424031
I mean why don't any of the other ports have a clean and usable options menu like that? The only other one I can think of is fucking 3DGE, which has been dead for so many goddamn years.
You'd think people would be more concerned with usability and accessibility.

>>8424006
Well duh, but in game terms it's game over if you reach 0 health as Caleb. Same for most other protagonists. Could probably have two different comparisons, one for in game and one for in universe.
I do wonder who has the strongest power weapon. Ignoring stuff like the Serious Bomb and talking more about each game's BFG (if it has one).

Source ports were a mistake.
It's nothing but trash.

>>8424034
do you think the people obsessed with 10000-monster maps designed to be played in a very specific way care about accesibility and usability?

>>8423987
samsara is known for some creative liberties

>>8423581
I prefer Crispy Doom, but then you miss out on a lot of mods.

>>8424071
I usually play with GzDoom, but I found Crispy Doom very comfortable and nice, probably because it's just plain Doom, but with some conveniences and niceties.

>>8424019
Try eating some hardtack.

>>8422130
there is nothing wrong with episode 4

>>8422553
anon, this is 32 levels megawad

What happened to Hutz Fandango?

>Man how do I even get the motivation to finish Quake 2?
Huh, make the soundtrack louder? Q2 isn't that bad. You are just fatigued.
>Playing this game is like eating through a pack of unseasoned biscuits.
Any biscuit goes well with tea or milk.

Is there any stable way to play terminator skynet and systemshock

I boot dos have blast then it crashes

>>8424074
Yep, just enough features to make it perfect. I hate spending a bunch of time trying to mess around with additional features so that the mod I want to play works right and that's often how I feel with GZDoom. Plus, I still haven't figured out how to get some wads to play correctly with GZDoom. Things like 3D objects aren't displaying for me. Golden Souls 2 crashes every time I play it. I waste so much time tweaking settings and then don't even end up playing the wad.

>>8424092
>>8424019

>>8424094
>systemshock
GOG remaster is fine, I played it without problems.

>>8424097
What version do you have? Also, how current is your hardware? Newer versions of GzD has a bunch of options for low end systems.

>>8424102
i meant Terminator futureshock

Lapsus linge

>>8422821
of course, anon..

>>8423959
Based EDGE enjoyer!

>>8424091
I killed him.

>>8424019
>saving thumbnail
>of a magic .png

>>8424031
So glad he's in charge of the most popular source port instead of some wishy-washy moody Discord addict. Hopefully he won't retire anytime soon.

https://twitter.com/01laserfire01/status/1465073048479059977
Caleb if he robot

How much do I have to pay to get Hexen and Heretic working with PRBoom+?

>>8421557
where do you find quake 2 sp maps? i remember finding two good sites for level reviews, but no actual repository of levels like Quaddicted.

Which Plutonia map had a part where an Archvile was inside a box and teleporting through boxes?

>>8424387
map 07 and 12

>>8424393
I wonder if these really were the only instances of simulated teleporting enemies in classic Doom.

>>8424019
you skip to the superior expansions. pretty sure there were already some discussions on them, but The Reckoning is like a harder level pack with a few changes to monsters to make them more threatening, while Ground Zero has way more aggressive AI, has a lot of great, super difficult encounters, but also pisses it away because of stationary bulletsponge turrets. both are still worth playing.

Did you know Doom 95 first appeared in a Windows 95 demo compilation?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ncX_sbIGxv8
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nkEYFFn96mw

Absolute madman porting all of Turok 1 (and Evolution) maps (and weapons) into Turok 2

>>8424019
Right? Took me some months, you just play when you remember to and quicksave every now and then, you'll eventually get through it

How do I fix this? A lot of textures just come up as black when playing plutonia 2. I'm using GZ doom btw because I can't get boom to work.

>>8424491
Are you playing it with Plutonia as your iwad?

>>8424491
you have to use plutonia as the iwad.

>>8424491
Boot the wad with plutonia.wad, not doom2.wad.

>>8424491
Does your print screen button not work either?

>>8424510
I don't really know what you mean unfortunately. Not great with computers as I haven't owned one in 10 years.

>>8424523
Where's your IWAD?

>>8424545
I don't know what that is.

>>8424546
the file that contains all the data of a classic doom game (doom, doom 2, tnt, plutonia)

>>8421146
No one?

>>8424523
Ah, ok, I'll run you through it:
>1. All of Doom's content (levels, graphics, music, sound) is stored in an archive format called .wad ("Where's All the Data?")
>2. For example, doom.wad contains all the stuff for the first game, doom2.wad contains all the stuff for the second game, and then TNT.wad and plutonia.wad contain all the stuff for the Final Doom expansions
>3. doom.wad, doom2.wad, tnt.wad, and plutonia.wad are considered "internal .wad" files, meaning that you load them up as a base with a port like GzDoom or Crispy Doom
>4. doom2.wad is used by most mapsets, but Plutonia 2 is built on the original Plutonia, and uses the plutonia.wad file as its basis
>5. Therefore you load PL2.wad with with plutonia.wad to play Plutonia 2

The link in the OP post doesn't seem to work, so I'll do the lazy thing and just link you these from here:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890588525718831124/892613665428209755/DOOM.WAD
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890588525718831124/892613686479425656/DOOM2.WAD
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890588525718831124/892613783342698496/TNT.WAD
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890588525718831124/892614066361757696/PLUTONIA.WAD
Put these in the GzDoom directory. Then make a folder (name it "pwads" or something next to, or inside the GzDoom directory, where you put any mapsets you want to play.

Something which can be a convenient accessory to use is a program like DoomLauncher:
https://www.realm667.com/index.php/en/downloads/tools/1121-doomlauncher-3-2-0-0/file

You point this program to the GzDoom program and the four "iwads", and then you add the PL2.wad to the program. Now you can just select PL2.wad (Plutonia 2), then a prompt lets you pick GzDoom as your Port, and Plutonia as your Iwad. The program will remember your settings for Plutonia 2.

>>8424385
Besides those two sites you mentioned, it's moddb, q2cafefiles.com, and some playlists on youtube that highlight others. It's not been easy, and sometimes the levels I stumble upon aren't the best, but it's a nice payoff when I find something good.

>>8424690
Thank you, I love you

>>8424174

>>8424750
Happy to help! I'm always up for spreading the good word of Doom to anyone who's interested.

>>8424412
there's a part in TNT: Evilution's Egypt where an Archvile teleports through a bunch of cages, but after a moment he breaks out of the cages and starts fighting on the ground.

>>8424750
Enjoy your megawad, anon. Plutonia 2's one of the best.

>>8424702
thanks bro. i became really interested in quake 2 custom content after playing reckoning and ground zero and wishing there were maps designed like those and to play them with GZ's AI.

The Mansion in RR E2 was the most beautiful Build level I ever played. How did they get lamp holder shadows on the wall, is this all textures? It also plays quite well and is less labirinthy (also less decorated) than Blood mansion map. Unlike Blood, rooms colours are realistic here and help navigation. Only the garden maze in the end was unnecessary. Booby alien in the bedroom was fun too, and climbing through the chimney - I remember such thing (in more bullshit - less obvious way) in Shadow Warrior.

>>8424523
The immature part of me wanted to insult you, the better part of me wanted to help you.
Glad somebody else stepped in and you got it running, hope you enjoy your dooming /vr/o

>>8424817
No problem dude. I never gave it the time of day and was surprised by how it grew on me, it has a lot of elements from Doom and Quake that I really like.
Besides the Angron trilogy and pic related, these have been my favorites:
-Outer Outer Base
-Last Day on Stroggos
-Derelict Facility (hard start, watch out)
-Sonic Mayhem
I'm playing through a set called Crash Site, very good but it's honestly filtering me on hard+ so get ready.
>>8424834
It's pretty stunning how good it looks. For some of its faults it is certainly the best looking build game from back then. It also has my favorite manual

Should I use FinalDoomer classes for their respective WADs for my first playthrough or go in vanilla

>>8424106
I'm running GZDoom 4.6.0 right now on Linux. That said, I was using the most recent version of GZDoom before I wiped Windows from my system and had the same problem with getting 3D objects to display in Castlevania: Simon's Destiny and Hocus Pocus Doom mods. Hardware wise, I have an Intel i5 2.67GHz, 8GB ram, Radeon HD 4650. It could be a hardware specific problem. I've spent a lot of time going through every option in GZDoom I can find, and while I can get the performance working okay, I have yet to figure out if there's a way to get the 3D objects to display. I'm not going to complain because my father in-law gave me this computer free and I was previously using a Raspberry Pi. lol

>>8424690
>https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890588525718831124/892613783342698496/TNT.WAD
>https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890588525718831124/892614066361757696/PLUTONIA.WAD
Better be the id anthology versions or else

>>8424871
>Radeon HD 4650
You should definitely try upgrading to GZDoom 4.7.1, the GLES renderer was specifically made to improve compatibility on old cards like that. For your model problem, make sure r_models is 1 or true. It's supposed to default on, but maybe something you played messed with that without you knowing.

>>8424858
thank you anon, very cool. i dont have any suggestions myself sadly so have a cremia instead.

>>8424871
>>8424919
Oh, and make sure your Render Mode is set to Hardware Accelerated. I don't think models are supported in any other mode.

>>8424839
kek, I know I sound retarded. I played doom in the mid 90's on my older brothers PC a lot and recently got back into it when I purchased it on the PlayStation Store. I figured it was time to play the proper way and also have access to all the classic map packs (and new).

>>8424876
iD Anthology versions? I don't fucking know, I've been dragging these .wads around for like 15 years maybe, if you're bothered by TNT's Map 31, he's playing on GzDoom which auto fixes the missing key, and beyond that you can do a straferun to bypass it if necessary.

How do the BTSX wads hold up to something like Ancient Aliens and Sunlust?

>>8425038
E1 is a lot easier, E2 is harder.

>>8425038
If you're talking quality, BTSX is probably the best looking a vanilla-compatible wad can be, it can be a bit fatiguing to get through over 20 maps of Techbase in episode 1, but the top notch level and encounter design is still worth it.

>>8425038
Pretty well, and still one of my favorites.

>>8425038
I didn't like BTSX E1.
It's like the 1H chill music mix of wads.

>>8421285
Youtube removing displayed dislikes to defend corporations and the white house was such a fucking dumb thing.

>>8425106
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi

>>8425113
They already plan to have the data removed from the API as well. That won't work for much longer.

Favorite weapon mods?

>>8425131
Final Doomer. Literally don't play AA's without it.

>>8425038
pretty good,especially with them being vanilla.

>>8425143
final doomer would be better if they replaced hellboundguy's hammer with some kind of sword. that stupid mallet is just exceptionally gay and slow compared to everything else.

>>8425249
>filename
>it's a gif

>>8425249
Sounds like you have TOUGH LUCK

>>8425249
>doesn't like the hammer
I like having it set to the alternate mode in the options.

>>8424934
Have fun!
>>8425131
Always a soft spot for High Noon Drifter.

>>8424817
>>8424702
Just read the OP Quake Trilogy pastebin
>http://www.3dgamersedge.com/index-2.html
>https://www.quaddicted.com/files/mirrors/ftp.planetquake.com/
>http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jimw/q2/
>https://www.gamefront.com/games/quake-2?files_page=1
>https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h903yx4ebv19oge/AABuB38MjMrcT9Ysdg9mDMaXa
>https://dukeworld.duke4.net/planetquake/

how do i change the default settings of gzdoom? whenever i play anything new i have to go to settings to disable freelook and it annoys me. i can't find it in the ini either.

>>8425325
by the way, i wouldn't mind a Quaddicted for Q2 maps, or even Quaddicted opening the Q2 session of the hotel back, though i hate centralization, its time to put all 3 classic quakes back into one single house.

>>8425328
You have to add the lines to your config file. Look up the console commands to find what you need.
"Default" is automatically considered as "On" because the chicken man is a hack.

Man, going back to some Wolfenstein 3D makes me feel like a kid all over again. It's a real blast from the past, but not sure I would recommend it. I forgot how tedious it was to check every wall for secrets.

>>8422442
>I don't like the new monsters.
Unbelievably bad taste.

>>8422442
>I don't like the new monsters

>>8425350
I find myself unironically agreeing more and more with Graf. He seems more reasonable now. Not sure if he matured and has better opinions or if I got hit in the head a little bit too hard a few years ago.

>>8425391
I think part of it is that a lot of people look like fucking maniacs next to him, for instance that one dude having a rage tantrum about Graf not implementing a system for defining your own player pronouns, because Graf thought it was pointless and he didn't want to attach politics to his work.

Today is Registered Doom birthday.

>>8425378
>>8425383
What can I say? I don't want somebody resurrecting the monsters I kill. They should stay dead.

Why are the OPs always so good? I haven't touched doom in 20 years but damn if I don't have dozens of these hilarious op pics saved from when I see the thread in the catalogue

>>8422442
>I don't like the new monsters.
First time I think I've seen this take.
>>8425501
Many are already undead. You're lucky you can kill them at all.
I disagree entirely btw. Doom 2>Doom 1 imo.

>>8425249
turning it into a random sword would be exceptionally gay, a massive imp-gibbing sledgehammer is perfect for the set's style

>>8425501
>>8425526
It's a great way to toss more enemies into a fight that aren't just teleported in, and it's determined by how you previously fought them and where their corpses ended up in relation to the resurrector. You also have the chance of preventing any resurrections from happening entirely.

>>8425501

>>8425562
PC bros we too cocky...

>>8425564
*got too

>>8422442
maybe try some community wads that use the doom2 bestiary/ssg/etc.

>>8425378
i've actually heard this criticism before from people that got used to doom1 (and doom2 was not yet out...). the extended beastiary is quite distinct and my friends feel it doesn't fit. honestly it's logical. that said, community wads would not exist without the arch vile.

>>8422461
sandy is forgiven for all sins permanently due to the archvile, the best designed and most carefully nuanced enemy in all of gaming.

eg, imagine if it put priority on flames instead of resurrect? the resurrection stunlock is amazing

>>8425561
except for the maps with inaccessible archviles, i hate when people do that

I don't get the appeal of most WAD sets.
They're basically just a series of massive battles without enough ammo spread around, so you have to use infighting.
It's boring. I wish more WADs were just "normal" stage sets, not weird gimmicky shit where you pistol start every stage.

>>8425714
So don't fucking play them faggot

>>8425716
>I don't get the appeal
>"So don't play them"
Retard post

>>8425714
there are all sorts of wads of different styles. the community is extremely diverse now.

if you don't like resource management and infighting, don't play wads by certain authors on UV, simple as that; try the lower difficulties, which of ten require less infighting.

or try completely other map creators. there's so much stuff, just go look around on doomworld.

>>8425717
he's right actually

>>8422442
the worst take ive ever seen on here,so bad.

>>8425714
just use a continuous start,its on be default,so you can keep your ammo between levels to use if they try to drought you.

>>8425719
>there's so much stuff, just go look around on doomworld.
I wish the idgames frontend had a tagging system so you could browse the archive by tags. Searching the text file is OK, but I don't think there's any sort of universal content descriptor method in there.

>>8425714
>>8425719
>>8425732
well, just describe things you like and don't like.

e.g., if you tell me you want 1,000,000 enemies and 1,000,000 cells, i'll suggest nosp2 or nosp3.

if you want resource management but linear structure, i recommend fractured worlds

if you want resource management and nonlinear structure, ribbiks maps

if you want stuff with fewer enemies and some puzzles, doom zero.

if you don't know what you like and want variety, i recommend lower-difficulty community mapsets, like 2048 units of /vr/, hellevator, ...

etc

>>8425714
Play on HMP. Usually UV has more resource management.
>but i have to play in the game mode, that i don't like, because big boys on the internet tell me so

Today I went on the internet and found this

Has there ever been a DOOM .wad where the intent was to clear most fights through infighting? I mean intentionally, not slaughter maps where it's "essential" to not die but they also give you a fuckton of ammo.

>>8425848
not sure about full wads, but many challenge/joke wads like noye have maps where you have to use infighting (uh, not just "revball"), and ribbiks was have segments that require infighting, and his wads in general have afaik too little ammo to not use infighting (if i don't use infighting, i run out, but maybe im' just bad)

>>8425848
Magnolia and Wormwood 3 have plenty of segments where you have to use turrets for killing monsters. Magnolia also has sequence where you bait different colored cyberdemons to kill each other (fuckin' racists). Also try Wormwood EU for some infighting fun with bouncy walls.

>>8425894
excuse me but i am a ribbiks historian and i don't know of any fights in wormwood eu where the bouncy walls are used for infighting

- the archvile fight, those are your own rockets

- there's that part with the concave mirror, it's hard to use it effectively for infighting

- at the end with the cybers, yeah they infight, but not via the bouncy wall

I think in my entire life I only made two maps with bfg in it.

>>8425929
Out of how many maps?

>>8425939
25 or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szR9xWcg1U4
R-Type mod in Doom
Still WIP

>>8425970
It's really good how Deus Ex Doom has become my go-to WAD for testing a new weaponset. Just unbelievable how good and balanced that map is.

>>8425901
Map03, the room with cybers and archies. If you fire a single shot, you get killed by archies. You have to use cyberdemon rockets with bouncy walls to kill them.

>>8425998
oh fuck am retard

thank you, superior ribbiks historian

>>8425038
BTSX E1 and E2 are generally good. Very impressive for vanilla-compatible wads (especially E2).
I'd say what holds them back the most is simply that some of the people involved have greatly improved as mappers since these were released. I imagine a lot of the upcoming E3 maps will feel very different to E1 and E2, thanks to the much extended development time.

anyone here tried sunder 20?

i just started, am abuot 400 kills in, it's possibly my favorite sunder map so far.

Killing cyberdemon by using plasma rifle and rocket launcher is simple but you need avoid his rocket

>>8426042
I just started from map 15 (first new map after the long hiatus). It's been fun so far. Though I think Insane_Gazebo should have just started Sunder 2 instead of continuing the old one. Quality difference between old maps and new maps is insane. Combat is more modernized, and maps visuals are best I've seen, while the old maps look and play exactly like pre-2010 maps. It's like having wad with first half of AV maps and second half of Eviternity maps.

I think Golden Souls 2 might actually be my favorite Doom mod. It's just so damn good.
Can't wait for Golden Souls 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMNxkQXwykA

>>8426064
Based ratto

>>8426053
I agree with you, but personally to deal with that I just think of sunder as a sort of mapping CV/resume for insane_gazebo, or mapping bibliography/compendium spanning his whole mapping career, moreso than a continuously-playable megawad (though there is that absolute psycho that d2all'd old sunder)

>>8426056
I'm really pleased with the step up in quality from GS1 to GS2, the weapons especially.

>>8426087
I heard that Batandy remade GS1 recently to bring it up more in line with GS2 but I haven't checked it out yet.

someone should tweak a sourceport so that it renders all monsters as infinite height, just stretches them out ridiculously

>>8426168
My suggestion of how to pull this off.

>>8426168
I think there was a mod that just stretched monster sprites to be very tall, I'm not really sure it exists tho

>>8426168
You can easily do this with ZScript.

>>8425649
I’d need more context.

>>8426168
>>8426312
Someone who knows ZScript needs to do this, like make the monsters stretch vertically to the highest height of the sector they're in, like on the fly. Possibly stretch them twice their typical length when under FSKY1.

In gzdoom vulkan better than opengl?

>>8426368
its better from what ive seen,but older hardware may work better with openGL

>>8424461
link

am i the only one here that prefers decorate over zscript?

>>8426389
Are we talking from a user's perspective or a developer's? I can't say much about Zscript from a dev standpoint, all I use is DECORATE and ACS. But the shit I've seen people do with Zscript is nice.

>>8424834
yeah the lamp lighting is prebaked into the texture, pretty nice touch. i recall there were various textures like that

>>8424094
check the dospack link in OP

>>8426368
It will depend on your hardware. It gives better performance for some people.

>>8426316
i think plutonia did it a few times but i don't remember, but like when an arch vile is put in an inaccessible box next to something like a bunch of chaingunners.
you can't kill the chaingunners because the arch vile keeps reviving them, and you can't kill the arch vile unless there's a crusher that kills them somewhere in the level.

>>8426493
You thought right, Plutonia had that exact setup.

>>8425970
Looks dope, R-Type kicks so much ass

>>8426493
You can't kill the archvile in Plutonia map 27 except splash damage with at least 50 rockets.
Fuck you Casali.

>>8426518
>>8426493
Thanks for context. These are fine and fun.
>>8426542
Less so with this. There is a fun archvile fight in the next level, though.

>>8426518
Milo liked doing that, it's in one of his Memento Mori maps as well.

After finishing Heartland I want to hear the opinion of /doom/ of it to see if I am being nitpicky or not regarding the things I didn't like. Also, Eternity Engine sucks dick, somehow I was getting more FPS drops with it at some parts than in Lullaby using 1080p GZDoom.

Playing Q2 base campaign, and it is actually better, than I remembered. Brown everywhere is annoying, but levels are easy to navigate, there is a lot of ammo for classic doom-like gameplay and mobs are less spongy than in Q1, also double barreled shotgun in Q2 is my favourite between all fpses. Though, as I remember, levels go downhill later on.

Why did the original Boom die so quickly?

>>8426625
What do you mean? It's industry standard.

>>8426614
The power plant unit can feel like a dip with all the brown and sludge it throws at you.

>>8420448
>>8420451
https://twitter.com/ModDB/status/1471525533938638848
Moddb shilling the Q4 on Q2 demake a bit

>>8426614
Q2 was gutted a lot, PS1 and N64 has the entire big gun unit with the boss in it.
Also the monster AI, which is harder if you use the mission packs as base or a source port on nightmare.

>>8426610
There are many reasons people don't use Eternity. Hopefully Heartland can be ported to a better engine.

>>8426493
sounds based

Why is ZeniMax like this?
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_on_the_Web

>>8426669
in 2011, ernest del was still ruling zenimax, even higher than the altmans.

>>8426669
>contains only the literally free demo as you can still get to this day
I assume some boomer fuck in charge had some kneejerk reaction.

>>8426625
Because ZDoom became Boom-compatible very quickly, and demo scene wasn't as strong back then.

>>8420451
Hell's Christmas, monster pack for GZDoom.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=74168

Registered chads rise up

Any news on Nightmare Reaper?

>>8423948
Same happened to me, it's just some eternity bullshit.
The worse is how your shots sometimes just go through the enemy even though you're at point black distance.

>>8426912
Honestly great game.

>>8426056
I can't get it to run without crashing shortly in.

>>8424041
(you)

>>8426923
Oh so it wasn't just me aiming like shit. Got mauled quite a couple of times because of that.

any guides and/or videos that talk about combat design in Doom?

Why doesn't Freedoom get more support? Why hasn't it replaced Doom II entirely? I feel like I'm going crazy trying to understand this situation. You have the engine and now the wads to endlessly modify the game into anything you want. Instead, people continue to modify proprietary software and get annoyed when they're slapped with a legal takedown notice every couple of years. Is it just inertia? Too much momentum keeping the community supporting companies that hate them?

>>8427103
>Why doesn't Freedoom get more support?
it's ugly lol

>>8427103
Because it's ugly and low effort FOSS garbage which nobody except tasteless FOSStards want.

>let's make a knockoff doom.wad which has all of its own replacement assets
>just in case someone needs to distribute his port and it needs to be playable out of the box
>even though it's ridiculously easy to acquire the necessary iwads, particularly in 2021 where you can share them in a second via chat services such as Discord or find them advertised openly on 4chan
>we have to make sure that the art is dogshit, there's 30 different artists working on the project and like, three of them have any actual talent
>since we suck at making good levels, we'll beg for tablescraps and get the permission to use other people's existing maps (we will also do this for sprites and sound, making sure our already disjointed visuals are even worse)
>most importantly, we have to make sure that the game is as lame and dorky as possible, Doom is too cool, we can't have that, we must make it more generic and uninspired

https://www.doomworld.com/vb/thread/119948
Just discovered this Heretic project

>>8427118
That would be an argument if we weren't talking about people obsessively modding games to look like whatever they want.

>>8427138
>get freedom
>replace all the assets with mod assets so that it doesn't suck anymore
Aaah, that's better!

>>8427142
Why not? Why suck corporate dick? You just like doing it?

>>8427103
because it's a total cesspool in terms of quality,especially compared to doom
retard

>>8427149
>pirate my copy of Doom
>have the good experience
>get Freedoom for free
>have the awful experience

ok friends riddle me this
>toggle dsda-doom launcher thingie on
>drag/drop wads from some other folder onto dsda-doom .exe file
>that other folder shows up on launcher, can select wad files from picker
>all is relatively good

>create desktop shortcut
>do same with shortcut
>no dice

I'm confused
I'd like to start random wads using drag/drop

>>8427103
There isn't really much to Freedoom other than novelty. Most people that want to play classic Doom are going to stick to the real thing.

>>8427103
>"Why hasn't I Can't Believe It's Not Butter! not replaced real butter entirely?"

>>8427103
Some of the enemy sprites are pretty good now, shame the various lizard-alien enemies that were being worked on didn't pan out, it would have been a cool unifying theme.
I find Freedoom's Imp replacement sexually attractive.

>>8426625
I think TeamTNT wanted to work on a more advanced engine called OGRE, but then nothing came out of it. I imagine ZDoom was a major factor.

>>8427205
it was ogre before it began

how do I play as good as Kurashiki?

>>8427219
>Freelook
>Crosshair
I kid, that clip is almost as much luck as skill. Bodyblocked the vile so he doesn't rez the spiders, then the vile luckily painchanced twice and the player reacted and capitalized on it.

>>8427219
play For Honor MP

>>8427231
im gonna get it during the winter sale

>>8427227
what i find crazy is the fact that she admit she hadn't played doom in over a year but still managed to utilize those technical skills

>>8427227
>gzdoom: ENGAGED
>crosshair: ON
>freelook: ON
>autoaim: OFF
yep, it's modern doom time

>>8427103
i accidentally played freedoom once and it was awful

im going to play like Kurashiki and Tatsurdcaco

>3.1 zandronum gets released
>a shiteton of new TSPG servers are now up using official 3.1 release
>but no ones playing them
;_;

>>8427134
>>8427176
reminder that piracy is much less tolerated in other countries and can get you fined and jailed very easily so it's the next best option when doom isn't sold

>>8427196
I stole a bunch of cool stuff from the Freedoom discord, those lizard enemies are finished: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/810405089754873906/921177187141451836/Freedoom_Various_Stuff.7z

>>8427412
define other countries

>>8427425
literally most of Europe

>>8427430
you're saying that if you download doom2.wad from the mega in the OP right now then you'll get a visit from the cyberpolice

>>8427447
no i'm not not in europe so I don't care

>>8427412
>>8427430
Who the fuck is going do anything about you downloading a game that's nearly 30 years old at this point? They barely do anything about people pirating games when they're new.

>>8427430
one of the good things about living in a third world country, police are way too busy with actual important shit to give a fuck about who pirates what video games

>>8427430
>tfw Balkans

>>8427430
I have illegally downloaded and shared doom.wad and doom2.wad so many times I've lost count, and I have never even gotten a warning. Popo's too afraid to make my day, they've seen me teabag the others, they don't want to be next.

>>8427447
The consequences will never be the same.

>>8427134
Remotely related, what do you guys think about Xonotic? I wanted to play some UT 99 for some time, but thinking about its setup on my loonix laptop always stopped me (wine and mod setup needs time). I installed Xonotic from repos instead and it is pretty sweet, it actually plays like a mix between UT and Q3, I think it is closer to UT, despite running on DarkPlaces. It is obviously inferior to classics (less everything), but for mine "play something waiting for this work shit export to complete" it matched perfectly.

>>8427471
Nexuiz (Now Xonotic) and Warsow (Now Warfork) were pretty good IIRC. Certainly a step above schlock like OpenArena.

>>8427152
Nothing a megawad couldn't fix.
>>8427161
On thinking about your point, I can understand the pirating argument. It seems foreign to me because I paid for my copies of Doom 1 & 2. If it's just easier or better for people to pirate the original games, then there's not much incentive to improve a free clone until it's better than the originals.
>>8427180
It's more like why should I replace the carpet and paint the walls for my landlord if he's just going to kick me out and rent it to somebody else?
>>8427196
You might want to get that checked out.
>>8427419
Those lizard dudes are looking really cool. Not in a sexual way though.
>>8427369
I loaded up the freedoom1.wad and it was great, so I can't really relate to that impression. The first thing that popped into my head was, "Holy shit, imagine if people just started making a lot of cool content for this."

>>8427134
FreeDoom has been in development for like 20 years, and it's still not finished. I booted it up a while ago and was amazed that it actually hadn't changed very much at all since I was a kid.

/vr/ is under arrest.

>>8427485
>It's more like why should I replace the carpet and paint the walls for my landlord if he's just going to kick me out and rent it to somebody else?

>>8427490
The average person can't afford a home. A landlord is a person that owns property and then rents it to other people. If you live in one of these places, you don't ever want to spend money improving the place because you can be arbitrarily kicked out and you will not get compensated for the time, money, or energy you put in. In the same way, many people have invested a lot of time and energy into making source ports, megawads, mods, and custom content for a product they do not actually have any legal right to. This means, that on any given month the whole community could implode because some lawyers got a little bored. For an example, see..
>>8426669
In short, people are putting in free work on property they don't own. It's like building a two car garage for your neighbor and then acting surprised when he doesn't let you park your car there.

>>8427498
It's shareware, dude

>>8427412
Most countries tend to focus more on the uploaders rather than the downloaders in regards to enforcing anti-piracy laws. And even in the countries that do care about the downloaders, usually someone only gets in trouble for it if the company affected puts in the extra effort to finding your ass, or for some reason you made your acts of piracy public.

>>8427485
>You might want to get that checked out.
>>8427489
Nah, it's cool, I have a permit.

>>8427498
Quiet down, renthog, or you'll lose your deposit.

>>8427478
It helps that those actually tried to have their own identities somewhat, where as OpenArena is literally the FreeDoom of Quake 3.

>>8425840
It's incredible

>>8427498
You have no idea what you're on about

what is a slaughtermap (to you)

Is Doom a "fanbase defined series"?
Seems like this term is usually put around content like fanart or fanfic and series within that "Tumblr/Deviantart area" but Doom almost surpasses most of those while being in a whole different appeal and with different content to justify that claim

>>8427531
Giant map where you can explore almost any area that isn't behind key doors when starting the level. Monsters will flood in for the majority of the time and you're never really safe until the monsters are all dead. There is a difference between a level having multiple slaughter rooms and a slaughter map.

>>8427531
If it plays like a Sunder map, it's probably slaughter.

>>8427545
>and you're never really safe until the monsters are all dead
This is probably the best way to explain it imo. Slaughtermaps like to make sure you are constantly surrounded by threats throughout the entire level. Usually done by utilizing high monster density.

>>8427543
I don't think it is as much nowadays with the success the newer games brought.
But the originals are definitely defined by fans.

>>8427531
Anything I don't like

>>8427512
what u think of this?

>>8427531
Any level with more than 10 rocket boxes

>>8427569
>hfreedoom
>freedoom gets equivalent of [something]doom mods

>>8427569
Pretty similar, though I prefer the current one. The larger, recessed eyes lend it a degree of cuteness, and the chitin pattern on this one sort of gives it a pot belly and wider "shoulders" with the extra segments for the tendrils. Still would, just not as enthusiastically.

>>8427569
>Hideous Destructor
>Ugly Breaker

>Back To Saturn X
>First Time On Pluto F

>Ancient Aliens
>New Locals

>>8427595
don't forget about the old cum monster

>>8427619
>>Hideous Destructor
I'm gonna stop you right there, because Hideous Destructor already targets Freedoom primarily.
The addon sub-community around it is a different story, however.

>>8427595
>Brutal FreeDoom
>Complex FreeDoom
>Smooth FreeDoom
>Beautiful FreeDoom
>FreeDoom Delta
>Final FreeDoomer
>MetaFreeDoom

>>8427635
>Freedoom Delta
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123738-freedoom-classic-megawad-001-release/
https://www.moddb.com/mods/freedoom-delta

>>8427635
>Smooth Freedoom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VduL_xtkQZ8

STOP PIRATIING GAMES

>>8427683
Never. I have bills to pay and paying for something you can get for free is for suckers.

>>8427531
Maps that focus on dealing with hundreds of enemies at once. Maps that have a thousand enemies spread out in a giant map and you fight a dozen at most in a single open area aren't slaughter.

>>8427489
Why so?

>>8427545
>>8427551
Does the type of monster play into this? An encounter that expects you to deal with 30 barons is a lot different than one with 30 zombiemen.

In Zandronum/Doomseeker, when you create a game config (which is saved as an .ini file), is it possible to make the password read an environment variable from your local machine? I've tried the following (and I've also tried with $... instead of %...%), but Doomseeker just seems to read those directly as being the password.

The reason I want to do this is because I want an easy way to change the host password across all configs, plus I'm sharing my configs so I don't want my passwords visible.

>>8427573
According to this, E2M8, E3M9, E4M3, E4M6, E4M7, MAP20, MAP23, and MAP30 would count as Slaughtermaps.

>>8427412
just buy the wads then. You can get all the commercial ones for about $15 tops. Using doomu.wad !== piracy, silly.

>>8427784
>doomu.wad
???

>>8427730
for sure
depends on what weapons you have available and what kind of enemies you're facing

>>8427798
he's japanese

>>8427798
Ultimate Doom

>>8427773
Yes

>>8427813
it's not named like that

>>8427836
Yeah it is. You can call it doom.wad if you like, I don't care. Just search "doom wads github" and they all call it that.

>>8427836
It is if you want both Registered and Ultimate Doom iwads in the same folder.

Hey Repugnus, is there any update on 94 protons of /vr/? I'm still interested in mapping

>>8425249
I think somebody made an addon that lets you mix and match the weapons between classes? You could theoretically swap out the hammer for JPCP's katana.