/vr/ - Retro Games

OP here again, why the hell is the image sideways?

>>8362142
What are you using to get composite? Active HDMI to composite adapters are 480i only and don't support actually using 480i resolution on the computer side or 240p.

Why not DP to VGA and 15kHz mode? No SCART?

>>8362143
Took the picture with Android? 4chan strips EXIF data, but Android rotates pictures using EXIF instead of a actually physically rotating the picture, kind of like a tag or note that says "this picture should be displayed this way up".

>>8362143
a setting on your phone is set to auto-rotate photos.
Delete the thread, fix it, and try again.

>>8362142
>PC to CRT
How?

>>8362163
Get a Delock 62967 or similar DP to VGA adapter, build a VGA to SCART cable, add two 1k resistors to each sync line and a 10uF capacitor and then join both sync signals together into composite sync inside the SCART connector, create a 15kHz mode for 320x240@60 and/or 640x240@60 if you want to use superresolution with RetroArch for example, done.

>>8362171
No way that works

>>8362142
That looks fucking revolting.

>>8362157
Using an HDMI to VGA converter, it allows me to get straight 240p, then I used a VGA box that outputs composite and svideo

>>8362173
What makes you think that?

>>8362175
Yeah, modern games look like shit at this low resolution.

>>8362176
Good, that's the cheapest yet least fucked up way to do it.

>>8362185
Thanks I guess. It doesn't seems to allow for 480i, screen goes crazy when I try to enable it. 240p seems to work tho, only shimmering I see is the composite artifacts.

>Need to at the very least build a second computer with parts that are no longer in production in order to enjoy emulation conveniences in a CRT TV
>There's still the danger of fucking up the TV with bad configuration

>>8362194
I didn't need to build a new PC, I just used my GTX 1080.

>>8362171
Hauppauge or 10 year old GPU probably has composite or s-video out. Why go to this much trouble especially for a Philips TV?

>>8362194
>>Need to at the very least build a second computer with parts that are no longer in production in order to enjoy emulation conveniences in a CRT TV
Why? Even >>8362171 shows RTX 2070.

>>There's still the danger of fucking up the TV with bad configuration
How? If you use a secondary DP or HDMI port that does not display video turning boot and only have a 15kHz modeline as the sole resolution for the display, it will never get a bad signal.

Used these 2, works pretty well. It ain't component but neither is the CRT so who cares. Just make sure you know which is input and which is output.

>>8362198
Where's the trouble? That's like 25€ in parts and 20 minutes of soldering.

Also Philips TV?

>Hauppauge or 10 year old GPU probably has composite or s-video out.
Those composite/s-video decoders were usually hard locked to 480i and couldn't do custom modes.

>>8362143
4chan strips out the metadata from pictures, which includes the orientation information.

I finally got my Sony WEGA Triniton working perfectly by splitting up my switchers. No more sync issues.

>>8362189
For 480i or 480p you're already better off with a VGA CRT anyways, the benefit of 15kHz CRTs is for 240p/60Hz and higher dot pitch.

>>8362208
You literally posted a Philips TV

>>8362218
That's not a TV, it's a Philips monitor with 600 TVL. It's 15kHz and accepts RGB+HV, no need for sync modifications, normal VGA voltages are fine. Also even with it's higher end TVL it still has a pretty big pitch for its size and a shadow mask, so it's perfect for 240p without making it look too sharp and full of scanlines.

It doesn't even have SCART. All you need for that one is a VGA cable and 9 pin DB connector you can even build for cheaper and quicker.

>>8362194
>>There's still the danger of fucking up the TV with bad configuration
>her monitor will actually try to display frequencies it can't and blow itself up
ouch

>>8362171
What about if I want my television to be RGB modded and its composite only?

>>8362363
Same logic applies, a RGB mod will give you RGB + composite sync input and then you can just connect the RGB + joined sync lines to that, instead of a SCART connector. You could even mod the TV with a VGA connector and join the sync signals with resistors and a capacitor together into the composite sync inside the TV for a cleaner setup.

Be careful that you never feed it 31kHz accidentally though, that can damage it, always make sure it's already switched to a 15kHz mode/resolution. TVs usually don't have the same protection against 31kHz than 15kHz monitors do and will try (and hurt themselves) to display anything you feed them.

>>8362373
Wouldnt sending 576p be alright though? Thanks for the input, although I'm kinda stuck on how to make it sync on composite

>>8362384
With a (SD) TV? You'll be limited to 240/288p and 480i/576i.

>although I'm kinda stuck on how to make it sync on composite
Quick Google search:
https://www.geocities ws/podernixie/htpc/cables-en.html (add a dot . between geocities and ws, 4chan spam protection won't let me post otherwise)

There they use just two 1k resistors, I remember also using a 10uF capacitor for extra protection, but technically not needed.

Tested the 240p test suite and it seems to do some sort of deinterlacing with the converters I'm using. However when I compared PS1 emulation to the PS3's PS1 emulation (Ps3 goes as low as 480i, not 240p) it's not jumpy at all compared to the PS3. So a bit of a messed up artifact.

>>8362142
What game?

>>8362464
240p test suite under PS1 emulation or?

>>8362490
Apex Legends, just a random PC game. Looks like shit on a CRT but that's to be expected. Emulators look great but I'm too lazy to change Retroarch's resolution. I just used standalone like Duckstation. I'm probably gonna use the Wii and PS3 mostly for this CRT. Sadly PS3 has no 240p for PS1

>>8362491
Under Genesis emulation, didn't test it much tho. There isn't any interlacing that I can see, PS3 has it but the converter doesn't. It has deinterlacing artifacts tho but it isn't a big deal to me. Just important for those looking out for it.

>>8362163
crt emudriver and a transcoder. how new are you?

>>8362198
just embarassing

>>8362171
That's fucking retarded. Just get a cheap AMD card off ebay and install this.

https://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=295

>>8362791
>>8362194

>>8362203
i have the one on the left
other than the power cable being comically short its an A+ from me

i use the vga out on the mister and run it to an apple crt

absolutely comfy
1 frame or less of latency

>>8362791
But why? It has no benefit over a VGA dongle and you still need to build the same cable as anon described in their post.

>>8362163
>How?

With image related...

And this is a GeForce 4MX with a S-Video out. Not so uncommon for the MX line. The GeForce 4MX is a GeForce 2 refresh with an updated memory interface and I think are DX8? (they may be DX7). There are old GPU's with S-Video out. But for me, I stick with VGA.

>>8363462
Is it possible to do all the rendering on a different gpu and then use another gpu to output to a display? Like transfer framebuffers?

>>8363462
>And this is a GeForce 4MX with a S-Video out.
You sure the composite/s-video encoder on that one isn't locked to 480i like on 99% of GPUs with composite/s-video out?

>>8363467
Yes, if you're on Window it's literally just 3 mouse clicks to pick which GPU renders.

>>8362791
>That's fucking retarded.
Getting a second GPU or computer just to output to a TV, that's retarded. Don't you have free DisplayPort or HDMI ports?

>>8363468
>locked to 480i
Well most can do NTSC but also PAL, so you have 576i too

>>8363468
>You sure the composite/s-video encoder on that one isn't locked to 480i like on 99% of GPUs with composite/s-video out?

S-video is limited to 480i, it doesn't go any higher than that. The next one up is composite. Or just VGA.

Not going to link to Ali Express, but would something like this work?

>>8363481
Correct, 480i or 576i but it also won't let you go lower like 240p or 288p.

>>8363484
Technically yes if it's built right but I'm pretty sure that cable is bullshit to rip people off or just for specific break out ports or cards, since normal VGA does not have sound, like that cable implies.
As it says "Requires PC to have TV-out function".

Just build your own cable or buy one from some CRT or retrogaming forum or store from someone who DIYs them properly.

as a teen I had a video card that did the contrary, put the TV on the computer. It was shit but it blew my mind. I'd use it to play games when the TV was taken

>>8363487
You mean you could hook up composite and RF or watch TV on the computer?

>>8363489
>>>8363487
>You mean you could hook up composite and RF or watch TV on the computer?

If I were to take a guess, it was an ATi All-in-Wonder. The "All in Wonder" line from ATi was all about being able to intercept cable signals through coaxial and outputting in s-video.

>>8363497
I also remember Hauppauge cards specifically just for that.

>>8363501
>I also remember Hauppauge cards specifically just for that.

I have seen cards like those too. but anon above did say that they had a videocard that could input video as a teen. My top guess was the ATi All-In-Wonder, which was a pretty common jack-of-all trades kind of card from ATi.

>>8363509

or a premium all-in-wonder, like image related.

>>8363442
>But why?
Because you're not limited to dumb resolutions like 640x240

>>8363523
>Because you're not limited to dumb resolutions like 640x240
What? Who says you're limited to 640x240? This isn't like displaying 240p on 31kHz VGA where you must use 120Hz.
Using a external DP DAC is no different than having one onboard like with a AMD GPU that has VGA built in. The late cards with VGA did basically the same internally.

Even says right here: >>8362171
>320x240@60

But using super resolutions horizontally is great for emulators for aspect ratio correction and also gives a slightly better picture in any case.
Same applies with VGA CRTs and using 2560x240p for example.

>>8362142
ive been trying to watch anime by just using an old DVD player and burning the discs myself but im having the issue that despite the letterbox setting being selected 16:9 content is still only displayed in pan scan, cutting off most of the image. but even then, even 4:3 content is cut off, at least on the last dvd player i tried. yes, ive gone through multiple already and its always the same issues. my TV is set up correctly using the 240p test suite so i doubt thats the issue. at least it would fuck up how my consoles look if i went and changed the settings again. im considering just biting the bullet and trying to hook up my PC to my TV which just seems like a big hassle. or i just watch the shows on my pc monitor and deal with it...

>>8363802
DVDs are 480i

>>8363810
yes, and? my tv does 480i, this has nothing to do with the DVD player being way to far zoomed in by default.

>>8363497
>>8363501
>>8363489

it was a video card with an AV out except it was only video, no sound

>>8363945
Well then it didn't "do the contrary" but the actual thing that was being talked about.

>>8363462
>>8362194

>>8363956
But you don't

>>8362171
>add two 1k resistors to each sync line and a 10uF capacitor
Let's say I'm an idiot who never soldered anything, do these just hang adjacent to the cables with no need for shielding or would that fuck with the signal?

>>8362176
What VGA box you're using?

>>8364014
>Let's say I'm an idiot who never soldered anything, do these just hang adjacent to the cables with no need for shielding or would that fuck with the signal?
You can add them inside the SCART connector, straight onto the pins of the connector and then connect the wire onto the pins of the resistors. The capacitor is optional.

>>8364032
I see. I'm actually trying to figure out this mod for composite on Mister, same principle? Have this circuit meet HSync on its respective pin and then go to Green's?

>You'll also need to add a sync-on-green circuit on your VGA connection. Sync-on-green circuits can be very simple; you just need a diode (1N4148) and a 1k resistor.

>Connection: from HSync -> anode of diode, cathode of diode -> resistor, resistor to Green signal.

>he doesn't care about fixing visual aberrations like color bleed and jail bars

Just play on a fucking LCD, you stupid poser.

>>8364076
Check out:
https://www.geocities (DOT) ws/podernixie/htpc/cables-en.html

I don't think you can go easily with a few parts from VGA to composite, unless you're okay with black and white.
Sync-on-Green puts the sync signal into the Green signal in RGB.

If you simply want MiSTer VGA out to sync-on-green VGA for a specific monitor, then it should be okay.

>>8364135
My bad for not providing context:

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/Direct-Video#setup-for-ypbpr-signals

And excuse me if the question sounds retarded, but I'm electronics illiterate: HSync wire goes on pin 13, start of circuit meets on pin 13, Green wire goes on pin 2, end of circuit meets on pin 2, yeah? Or rather HSync doesn't go on pin 13 at all, gets soldered into start of circuit and then the end of the circuit meets Green on Pin 2?

Bump

>>8362171
MUCHO TRABAJO

>>8363526
blow his fucking onion head with a shotgun

>>8363501
Oh god those fucking cards. I know people like to complain about modern software a lot, but oh boy have we come a long way since then. PC software used to be buggy as hell. The WinTV suite in particular was some of the most horrible software ever.

>>8364792
Later you could just use VLC which was fine.

>>8363462
11/troll
You are trolling, right?

>>8364887
>11/troll
>You are trolling, right?

yes, it was a bit of a troll post.

Is a Samsung Syncmaster 793 good? Only crt I can find in my area, not sure if it's worth 80 local currency / $20 considering it might die if not well taken care of.

Bought my first CRT, a Toshiba MD20P1 that's in excellent shape. Should be arriving Tuesday. Hoping it's not a lemon, but the seller seemed like a decent guy and the pictures made it look in good shape.

>>8364737
You're just assblasted that he got rich off of his /vr/-tism and you didn't

>>8362176
Wouldn't that cause copious input lag? I had unplayable input lag just connecting a desktop PC to my TV with an HDMI cable years ago.

Finally found a replacement remote for my 90s trinitron. Any good guides for calibrating settings/colors?

>>8366037
Yes, and he could get the same results with less lag with fewer parts. This is truly one of the saddest attempts to fit in I've seen in a long time.

>>8366347
>Yes, and he could get the same results with less lag with fewer parts.
Go on?

>>8362787
Not everyone is some fat faggot who jerks off to scanlines in the CRT general. Fucking cunt.
>>8362163
Sorry about that dickhead if he mocks you again let me know I'll kick his ass.

I try it for a bit of fun sometimes on my pentium 4, retro hardware and analog vga to composite.

>>8366481
It was really cheap. It has really annoying scaling that you have to adjust constantly but for 60hz its perfectly smooth with no screen tearing, at 70hz it looks like its running in fast forward and doesn't look right such as in quake.

>>8366487
Without the bar you might not even know its emulation.

>>8366492
It works pretty good in some ways and but has annoying quirks such as resetting your settings each time you change resolution.

I just managed to solder together a VGA -> SCART cable, being fed into a transcoder converting the signal YPrPb, and finally have my CRT getting a 15khz signal directly from my PC, woo!

But, now I've fallen into the autistic trap of trying to perfect the screen geometry, and there's a wavey shape to the screen I'm unable to get rid of through the service menu; In the image, there's a sort of "bulge" to the image along the teal lines I drew, the green line on the side might help visualize it better.

Any tips on this? Would there be any dials or pots on the inside I could adjust that would let me adjust the image more than what the service menu allows?

>>8366963
What resolution/mode to you use on PC? Might be slightly off timings.

>>8367018
That might be part of it, I was emulating the 240p test suite at 512x448i in that image, but going back to 640x480i on the desktop it looks like the issue is mostly gone.

>>8366347
Yeah, I don't know why he doesn't just get a VGA - composite cable. That's all you'd need, just one that did it for video, you'd obviously hook up the audio output separately regardless.

>>8366963
Also, another issue I'm seeing with the CRT is that when running at an interlaced resolution, like 640x480i, the colors get screwy after a few minutes; the left side of the screen will turn bluer, with the right side turns redder; Any ideas on what could be causing this?

Any non-interlaced resolutions don't have this issue, colors stay totally fine no matter how long I leave it running.

>>8367060
>I was emulating the 240p test suite at 512x448i in that image, but going back to 640x480i
Try doing native 320x240p instead of interlaced? What are you using as emulator?

>>8367092
Might be timings, maybe you're running the CRT too hard and the parts get hotter than usual and hence the distortion after a while? Just a guess.

>>8366359
When you do something with less you don't "go on" you stop earlier.

>>8367080
Yup. He's literally getting the same shit signal he'd get from a card that output composite but with much more lag. Probably something like 1/2 a second.
I imagine if his cables were too short he'd setup another PC with VNC over wifi to solve the problem.

>>8367363
I'm not the guy, just curious about it.

Goddamn you guys are retarded. Not all CRTs are quality and many of you own straight trash and your images convey as much.

>>8367376
ok, but there's literally nothing to go on about. You output the shitty signal directly from your video card that outputs a shitty composite signal and stop there.

>9 inch CRT
why are you people like this? what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>8362171
When i do that my system (drivers/GPU?) says it's working but the display gets greyed out in system properties. Like it's being rejected somewhere. I see you guys posting this "just install 15kHZ modelines" stuff but what steps are involved and what am i failing to account for?

>>8367515
sound like you're a salty fag who couldn't find a le epic rgb pvm

>>8367863
Use CRU to make your own 15kHz modelines and delete the 31kHz ones so you won't accidentally tortue your TV.

>>8362171
is there a youtube tutorial for this i'm retarded and understand maybe half of this though i am very interested

>>8368116
Not anon and I'm not at home to explain either, try googling stuff like vga 15khz etc, if you understand half then you can figure it out, good luck

>>8363467
holy shit I've been wondering if this was possible but was too retarded to phrase it
>>8363468
you say its 3 clicks away but what are the 3 things I need to be clicking?

>>8369667
Right click on desktop > display settings > graphics settings
then pick the program and which GPU you want it to render with, then it will use that GPU, always, even if you start it on a monitor that's connected to another GPU

>>8369814
There is a small performance and latency impact though
So it's recommended to still use your main GPU for CRTs

>>8362180
That's a beautiful CRT anon.

>>8369849
It's a pretty iconic model too.

>>8369849
Thanks anon.

The crappy pictures don't do it justice, it's in really nice condition. This is with brightness and contrast at their default values.
Perfect tube and size for ~240p stuff.

What's a fair price for a PVM-20M4U?

>>8367840
>why are you people like this? what the fuck is wrong with you?
a 9" CRT isn't great, but it's still better than any size LCD, plasma, or OLED

>>8362180
>>8362171
Isn't VGA hard limited at 31KHz+? Even with native hardware, 240p would just get line-doubled.

>>8371017
Just because it's called a VGA adapter doesn't mean it can't do lower than 31kHz. Just like old video cards with onboard VGA could do 15kHz. It's just a Digital to Analog converter and going lower is always easier than going higher.
This isn't like line doubled VGA modes to display resolutions with less than few hundred lines that were meant to be used with 31kHz monitors that couldn't do actual 15kHz modes. Anons monitor would not even show 31kHz if it was just line doubled 240p.

>>8371026
People are probably confused because there's no obvious scanlines even though it's 240p

>>8371026
>Just like old video cards with onboard VGA could do 15kHz
How? My DOS machine refused to go lower. And those video signalling standards never list anything below 400p.

>>8370970
this post is just sad

>>8371046
Because it's made to run on 31kHz monitors. Feeding 15kHz accidentally into one could actually damage it. You're not going to find any resolution or mode(line) that's going to let you do actual 15kHz without line doubling in the VGA and SVGA modes/standard.
You have to add 15kHz modes yourself if you want them, back in the day and also these days, utilities exist for DOS to do that too if you're curious. Modern methods are creaking a custom resolution in Nvidia settings or prefered, deleting all 31kHz modes in CRU and adding just 15kHz ones so you won't damage your 15kHz monitor/TV.

Posted this in the CRT general, but I found this for $9.

>>8371046
By writing the correct values into the VGA registers you can enable true 15Khz output. There are various utilities that will do this.

>>8362142
I hate you.

>>8363526
>>8364737
>>8365998

Should I keep this Craig Karaoke TV or return back to the goodwill? >>8371042

>>8371837
I like how nobody cares

>>8371646
If it was true people wouldn't have to buy expensive setups to hook up their TVs to PCs

>>8372698
Not really sure what you expect anyone to say. It's entirely up to you if you're happy with it

>>8372739
This only applies to VGA cards under dos. And even then it has issues, many games write to the vga registers directly which overwrite your custom timing. Also 320x200 is meant to run at 70hz, so that might cause issues for games as well.

It is also possible to do this with modern GPUs under windows using custom resolutions but it does not always work, and again is rather inconvenient. Its usually just too much effort to get working.

>>8362142
>durabrand
Finally an era-appropriate setup. No your parents did not work in a TV studio with tons of unused thousand-dollar monitors lying around to be lifted.

>>8370712
$0. You shouldn't have to pay anything for a CRT. And that includes getting it shipped, 90% chance you'll end up filing a return when it arrives in a million pieces.

>>8373431
>It is also possible to do this with modern GPUs under windows using custom resolutions but it does not always work, and again is rather inconvenient. Its usually just too much effort to get working.
What? It's literally a cable and adding a modeline manually.
5 bucks in parts from Amazon and 5 minutes in CRU.

>>8373431
>and again is rather inconvenient
Compared to what?

>>8373439
I couldn't get a PVM and now it's outside of my pay grade: the post

>>8373125
I'm >>8371837 and never posted >>8372698. I'm was more interested in the feedback about the craig manufacturer. That said, I returned it due to seeing multiple places saying it wasn't built to regulation like a proper crt should be and can explode. A shame since it was cool, but I would rather wait for a proper crt to appear than settle.

>>8373792
I think Craig is a store brand like Durabrand (Wal-Mart) and Insignia (Best Buy). And you're right about the tube being unsafe since a lot of those karaoke machines used low-quality tubes to begin with and just the minimal amount of circuitry required to get an image onto the screen. There's little shielding and no plastic filter so if the screen breaks it'll explode and injure you. And since it's small you're bound to be within the blast radius when using it.

>>8365998
his channel is pretty good

>>8373805
>And you're right about the tube being unsafe since a lot of those karaoke machines used low-quality tubes
Lesson learned I guess, but I'm not going to feel too bad over a $9 loss. It's cool to learn something new and to never get one of these machines again, even though in theory they are nice.

>>8373828
Also don't buy any DVD/VCR combo units unless it's from a reputable brand like Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba, or GE. You're looking for a TV with a VCR, not the other way around.

>>8373837
I do have a VCR toshiba, but it is only mono.

>>8373854
If you care get a pair of cheap stereo computer speakers. Or use a combiner to put the left and right channels together to play it out the TV.

>>8373869
I should have a pair of speakers somewhere actually. I just thought it might sound bad is all. Thanks for the advice!

>>8373881
Even a pair of speakers ripped out from a radio would sound better than that TV.

>>8373884
I'd believe it. Also, should I always keep my CRT unplugged when not in use?

>>8373891
If you're going straight into the wall unplug it. If you're going through a surge protector or UPS it should be fine. If you're leaving for an extended period turn off all electrical appliances except the refrigerator and burglar/fire alarm using the circuit breakers.

>>8373902
Thanks again! I have one of those rocketfish surge protectors.

>>8373912
Also keep in mind a surge protector won't save your shit during a lightning strike so unplug your shit because if lightning can jump through air the tiny gap between the contacts of a circuit breaker literally does not exist to it.
Also disconnect your rooftop antenna if you actually watch TV.

>>8373919
Should I just turn off the surge protector or turn off and then unplug the strip?

i want a crt so bad

>>8373961
If the weather's bad pull it. Otherwise you're fine leaving the surge protector on.

>>8373964
get one
good luck

8 inch or 14 inch PVM? want something to put on my desk along with my consumer tv

>>8374256
Unless both are free you're better off with whatever TV you already have.
9 is way too small.

>>8374256
13/14" is my absolute minimum unless it's a cheap/free novelty set. 8" PVMs are a Reddit meme designed to trick people into buying shitty monitors.

>>8374494
Speaking of monitors, what is a good branded crt computer monitor?

>>8374515
Monitor as in? What standard, what inputs?

>>8374519
>What standard, what inputs?
I have no idea, sorry for being dumb.

>>8374526
What do you want to hook up to it?

>>8374526
VGA? I'd say whatever you can get your hands on, condition matters more than specs these days. Main thing is making sure you understand how to get a good picture, there's a lot of info at the top of this thread in particular

>>8374515
Reddit will give you meme answers like FW900 and FE2141SB but the truth is high-res PC CRTs are useless since even the highest CRT resolution pales in comparison to 4K and the only legitimate reason to have a CRT for your PC is to play games that max out at CRT tier resolutions like 640x480, 800x600, and 1280x960. Literally any modern monitor will support those and you'll end up using the CRT for those old games and a new modern LCD monitor for new games that are locked to 16:9 anyway.

It really baffles my cranium that it's 2021 and retro gaming is more popular than ever, but nobody hasmade a simple plug and play device to get RGB output from a PC.

I just want to plug all my emulators into my old TV damnit. People scratch build fucking SD card circuit boards to replace CD drives for real hardware, but nobody makes a dongle that gives your PC a true blooded 240p RGB output?

Like I mean, it doesn't need to even act as a graphics processor surely, a modern PC can handle anything up to 5th gen using software rendering, especially at such low res.

Why, Anon?

>>8374697
Even if you have a graphics card that can output analog video, you need to patch your system to output 15khz because otherwise it violates all kinds of standards.

>>8374831
Adding to this, I've sort of comes to terms with the fact that it's not going to happen. I think FPGAs will fill the gap a bit.

>>8374667
>new games
Why would you even need a 4k monitor for new games. New games are so blurry that I have seen more sharpness from 640x480.

>>8362142
how do we have better crt threads here than on /g/?

>>8375098
/g/ is somehow a worse board than /vr/

>>8362157
>DP to VGA
VGA monitors were meant for higher resolution pictures so the dot pitch is too fine for console gaming, they look like LCDs.

>>8374697
>>8374831
>>8374852
>but nobody hasmade a simple plug and play device to get RGB output from a PC.
It's called a DisplayPort to VGA adapter. It's a very simple plug-and-play device.

>>8375275
But we're not talking about using VGA monitors, we're talking about using TVs or 15kHz monitors, which you can use resolutions like 240p or 480i. Which a VGA adapter (or a GPU with VGA output) will do fine.
The thing is a DP adapter will work with your modern GPU and you don't need to get a old GPU specifically for the.

There's no system patching, outside from adding your own custom resolution and if you can't make your own cable, just buy a VGA to SCART or BNC cable.

>>8375715
And yes, this works on normal 15kHz TVs too, monitor in the picture works fine with RGB + composite sync, aka SCART RGB, just the connector is different.

I.e:
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/96rqrl/hooked_up_the_pc_to_my_pvm_prepare_for_some_240p/

>>8375715
Why don't you use a super resolution if you use Retroarch?

>>8376110
I do. I was just working on that monitor and wanted to remove as many variables as possible to check if it works fine.
There's no real reason not to use a superresolution with RetroArch, you'll always get better aspect ratio correction.

>>8375715
Make a webm of the input lag

Any Displayport to Component methods without buying a second GPU?

>>8376138
What input lag? It's native VGA.

>>8376138
>input lag
>CRT over RGB
lol it's going to have less latency than anything else you could hook up to a PC with any other interface
like a TV or LCD with HDMI or Displayport

>>8375715
Where's the audio?

>>8376234
Built in stereo speakers, hooked up over 3.5mm to stereo RCA.
You can even set RetroArch to output on a specific audio device, so rest of you PC audio goes to your normal speakers and RetroArch goes to the monitors build in ones.

>>8376153
you could possibly do dp to vga and vga to component with a active converter, no idea about latency tho

>>8376295
So that'll take a 1-input-2-output 3,5mm adapter and a 3,5mm adapter to RCA audio

Anons, Is SONY Trinitron KV-21FX30B good? In the TV back it's saying 50Hz, but I have NTSC-U consoles, so what's means they will not work with that TV? I don't know buy it or no, sorry for a retarded question

>>8376325
>220-240V 50Hz
>frog language
It's a PAL set. Do you own PAL consoles?

>>8376316
There's a common cable for that, no need for extra adapters.

>>8376325
If your console has RGB out, then you can get a RGB SCART cable, then 60Hz NTSC games will work, since all those Sonys with SCART support RGB60

>>8376390
Yes, I have, my entire collection is almost a PAL, but I also have bough a few NTSC-U/NTSC-J with flash cartridges and I want to play them, in, 60Hz
>>8376423
So, if I have a American N64 and I want to play NTSC-U games on a flash cartridge and on this TV... it's impossible without modding a console.

I am also found this on a manual, NTSC4.43, NTSC3.68, WTF is that?

Thanks for the replies btw

Finally tracked down a Wii component cable for cheap, it completely eliminated the mild NTSC artifacting I was getting on my PVM (20L2MD).
Looks flawless now, other than the screen needing the contrast turned up like 30%. Not sure whether the CRT has moderate wear or if it just needs a recapping and adjustment. There's zero burn-in though.
As a dude who doesn't really care about playing the physical media I'm loving this setup. It runs 2d emulators in native 240p, none of the flickering interlaced shit you get with converters. Plus the SNES classic controller totally works plugged into a wiimote. Maybe this time I'll get more than 6 hours into Chrono Trigger before turning into a total brainlet and getting lost

>>8376475
The numbers are the color modulator frequency. 3.58 is "standard" NTSC and 4.43 is one of many methods to get NTSC format video to display on a PAL TV.

>>8376501
When that's doesn't mean that TV can perfectly work with NTSC consoles even without SCART or RGB mod?

>>8376549
Yes that's exactly what it means. I'm not sure if the SCART port takes RGB or if it's limited to composite or svideo, you'd have to look at the specs in the manual for that. But you should be able to plug a NTSC console straight into it and it'll show up properly.

>>8375715
Pretty cool solution for true 240p from a computer

>>8375715
>VGA to SCART or BNC cable
If I have a VGA to RGBHV BNC cable can I use a Y splitter cable to combine the H and V sync to go into my PVM?

>>8376570
Check your PVM's manual and that it takes at least 5V sync voltage, then it will be fine like that.
If it shows only 0.3V, you should put 1k resistors on both H and V sync lines before they go into the Y jointer/splitter.

If you can't solder, you can just get 2 of each of pic related, put 1k resistor between the clamps of the signal terminals and a normal wire between the ground ones. Then put them on the Y splitter before you connect the sync lines. Sync lines don't care that much about shielding, won't make a difference in quality. Shouldn't cost you more than 10 bucks together with the resistors.

>>8376553
A little a bit better news, but I tried to search in manual "S-Video" and "Composite - zero results and that 50Hz on a TV back, it's so confusing, when they also is saying supports NTSC... It's so confusing.
That TV is for sale near to me, so maybe I'll will try to buy it, maybe it will work with NTSC, maybe no.

Thanks.

>>8376415
Yeah but I'd have to switch out the speakers for the TV instead of having both.

>>8376632
Oh, true if you only have a single audio output.
I use my onboard for the CRT monitor, since quality doesn't matter as much, while my headphones use a external USB DAC and my studio monitors run off a PCIe sound card, hence why I also have RetroArch set to output from onboard by default, so all the emulation related sounds come from the CRT monitor.

I guess you can get a cheap 5 dollar USB DAC to get around that, I recommend that more than splitting your single output, usually affects quality and volume and you won't be able to output sounds separately.

>>8376597
Not that anon, but the "50Hz" on the back is only the AC power rating. It really says "220-240V 50Hz" and you should read it in full.
It doesn't say anything about what signals the TV can display. You can find a line like this on any electrical appliance actually.

Your set accepts RGB on the first SCART port. Pic related. A bit below the table with TV signals that you posted if we're looking at the same service manual. There's also a pinout of the SCART connector on the next page, you can see that the RGB lines are connected only on the first input. The other one can only take composite or S-Video.
By the way, NTSC or PAL doesn't have anything to do with the RGB input. These are color encoding standards, they matter if you're gonna use RF or composite (VIDEO IN in your pic).
Though if it says it accepts NTSC of any kind then you can be sure that 60Hz will work. But most newer European sets don't have a problem with that anyway.

>>8376570
>>8376595
I'd use this to be 100% sure you don't damage anything. It's a simple circuit.
https://www.retrorgb.com/building-a-passive-sync-combiner.html

>>8376597
>>8376713
Here's the SCART pinout from the service manual.

>>8376713
>I'd use this to be 100% sure you don't damage anything. It's a simple circuit.
>https://www.retrorgb.com/building-a-passive-sync-combiner.html
I'd always recommend this too, but I have ran dirty combined sync for extended periods from external DP and HDMI adapters, since they are pretty robust and already have good decoupling themselves inside, specially compared to older VGA graphics cards. Since as your article says, it's mostly to defend the source, the monitor/TV doesn't care really unless it's a problem with the voltage, i.e. most concumer SCART RGB takes 0.3V, while VGA uses 5V for sync.

It's simple and cheap to do it properly though, so there's no reason not to do it either.

>>8376713
>>8376720
Thanks a lot!

>>8376713
What about this? My new GPU doesn't have VGA anymore and I don't have a converter and I found out these exist.

>>8376956
I'm pretty sure those have very limited resolution/refresh options, like no 240p and might also introduce more lag than wanted. Are you trying to hook up a computer to it? What TV and what exactly is your goal?

>>8376962
I'm trying to connect my PVM to my PC to use with RetroArch. 240p would be nice but it's not a must and I can deal with 480i. The alternative would be a VGA to RGB/YUV converter box but I'd also have to get a DisplayPort to VGA converter first.

>>8376956
>My new GPU doesn't have VGA anymore
If you have SCART just get a VGA dongle

>>8376965
Does your PVM have BNC inputs for RGB + Sync? Not YPbPr just. Many PVMs also accept both from the same connectors, then they call the BNCs either "R/RY - G/Y - B/BY" etc, that means it supports both.

>>8376978
Yes. It uses the same inputs for component and RGBS so I can use either format.

>>8376979
Then DP to VGA to BNC will work great, guaranteed, I've seen it work on PVMs and lets you use 240p. No extra converters needed.
Refer above posts to see how to join the sync signals together safety.

Get something like DeLOCK 62967 (tested for 240p and 15kHz), a couple of female and male BNC connectors, a resistor kit and you're set.

>>8376956
>chink product
>FULL HD 1080p basic logo

Yeah get scammed.

>>8376956
I wonder if chinks try to make things like this look as shit as possible deliberately.

>>8377192
Usually the moulds for these things are based off actual non-chink products from name brands
This could have been the mould for a VGA to component adapter from 18 years ago from Panasonic all we know

i just bought the same adapter that faggot LGR used
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMiMz1uGCXI
i've asked this question time and again and this is after owning this thing for damn near 2 years now
is there any risk to these things? the image is fine and subtitles read great, i've used it on two separate TV's and the only thing that looks like shit is text on windows like for files and shit, but PSO looked great and dead rising looked fine too
no risk? some risk? I don't even plug the USB part in

>>8377749
no, outside of slight latency increase and being stuck with internal 480i conversion

>>8375098
depends on thread, some /g/ crt threads like right now are fine, some are shit

>>8374852
I actually have a DisplayPort to VGA adapter which I use to connect my PC to my CRT monitor. But from what I understand, this doesn't help me if I want to output to a CRT TV because the HDMI and DisplayPort standards don't allow for 15khz output.

>>8378303
The adapters aren't locked to VGA standards, just add your own 15kHz modes in software like 240p
HDMI adapters suck tho, use DP only

>>8378303
Hooking up TVs over RGB to PCs si super easy but for some reason it's not well known at all
I see people making excuses for using Wii for emulaton for example with arguments against PCs being hard to hook up to a TV for 240p

>>8377108
To be fair the thing probably outputs 1080p since analog component video is capable of it. Either way I decided to do it the right way and ordered some parts to build my own VGA to RGBS cable.

>>8377749
>is there any risk to these things
It's just a RF modulator doing what it's supposed to do. The only risk is the FCC van showing up when your cheap chinesium modulator spews RF everywhere and someone complains that they can't hear their AM radio or whatever.

>>8362203
The fosmon adapter is decent for its limited output options and PAL/NTSC compatibility, but holy shit is the S-video output ass. Composite looks way better it's laughable.

how bad is it to get a medical rejuvenated PVM? there's one for sale for 400 bucks but it says (refurbished-rejuvinated) on the listing. It's a 2053MD.

I really want a proper BVM badly, though, but europe has almost none. I'd pay top dollar as well.

>>8379354
Medical grade PVMs tend to be in better condition than ones used in TV studios since they're on for less time. The medical monitors were typically used for ultrasound machines and video microscopes and only turned on when the instrument was being used. TV studios usually keep them on until they die and some have text burned in to the screen.

>>8378750
That's because there's no premade HDMI to RGB converter for normalfags to use. I see people with their HDMI to composite boxes coping with their color bleeding and checkerboarding saying it makes it look more authentic.

>>8379375
doesn't a rejuvenated tube automatically mean long hours and imminent tube death? I may be wrong though

maybe i should just ask

>>8379389
It never hurts to ask the facility for details on how it was used. If the thing was on 24/7 it might be on its way out.

>>8379394
got some info, damn these guys are quick

well, apparently the tube wasn't rejuvinated, it didn't need it. It just got cleaned up..

i'm really tempted. fuck, i'm really really tempted

i'm still buying a BVM if i ever find one though

>>8379403
What's the price?

>>8379405
435 shipped

>>8379408
Considering shipping is going to be at least $150 you're looking at an average price. If it's got low hours you can get it and flip it later if you come across a BVM.

>>8379412
shipping's 35 because cheap freight in my country and it's close to me, i could pick it up if i really wanted anyway, it's just a 2 hour car trip away anyway (i don't want to because i broke my ankle and standing up hurts like a bitch but i can manage driving, oddly enough). 435 total.

Screw it... i'm just gonna get it

>>8379424
>freight
Normally I'd say good luck but with freight you're getting what you bought unless the truck gets caught in a crash. Be sure to post pics to make the rest of us jealous.

>>8379426
i will. it will be a good companion to my 2130QM

I bought a cheap CRT with a VHS player built in so I can make my own VHS films by playing a movie off my computer on the CRT and recording the screen on the TV.

Ended up grabbing an X-Arcade Tankstick and I use it to play MAME/Bigbox stuff with it, it's a lot of fucking fun but none of my friends like playing for more than five minutes. Oh well.

>>8379683
Bought some cheap Amazon converter box and a long ass HDMI cable to wrap around my room to my PC. Just needs a USB power source. Read the reviews though, I vaguely recall there being reviews where people claim the box didn't work/was the wrong kind of product?

>>8379690
You're probably better off buying a proper USB DAC for the audio instead of using that.

>>8379695
Eh I know it's a jank setup for sure, more so just wanted to scratch that itch of playing movie theater arcade games beyond the 2 minutes I've been able to play all my life.

I want to display some american/japanese systems on my tv, but it can't do actual NTSC so everything is in black and white, do these work good for converting the color?

>>8379695
Do cheap and decent USB DACs exist?

>>8379746
I use something this to watch PAL vhs tapes on my American TV. It works.

>>8379746
Use RGB.

>>8379756
It's for LaserDiscs

>>8379751
Same quality and input response?

>>8379750
Define cheap.
Chinks make good DACs under $100. Those usually have a built-in headphone amp, too. Check out brands like FX-Audio, SMSL or Topping.

>>8379746
Is there a S-video version of this?

>>8379746
does this thing keep the same framerate or does it change it?

>>8379767
Better quality, same response time. NTSC and PAL are both inferior options.

>>8382613
What about SECAM?

>>8382617
Down there with the rest. NTSC, PAL, and SECAM are all color encoding (read: bastardization) methods used to send a video signal over the air. If you're going wired use RGB.

>>8382621
Would sRGB work just as well?

>>8382631
??

>>8382634
Well?

>>8382673
>>8382634
???

>>8382682
This isn't funny, Anon.

How do i get proper CRT support on modern linux considering the propietary nvidia driver is not compatible with xrandr and i have to manually edit xorg.conf ?

>>8384507
Could you use nouveau

>>8375715

That's all well and good, but doesn't that rely on me somehow being able to find a high end PVM type CRT which accepts VGA?

Like, that's not gonna work on some grandma's old Philips TV set I find on Freecycle right? Or does it?

Please explain like I am 12, because I want to do this so fucking bad.

>>8384597
What you want requires a simple rgb->__ adapter. Rgb to composite or s vid is seemingly hard to come by, but rgb to component is freely available

>>8384656

Bong here, so whatever TV I pick up is 90% likely to take RGB SCART, but component would be unlikely, that was only usually on higher end TVs here.

From what I understand composite would require a modulator, it's a totally different type of signal, so that's why various standards of RGB can just be adapted with different connectors, but composite/s-video can't. But that's not really relevant to my interests, composite has shit picture quality, I want crispy clear squeaky clean RGB 240p/480p.

I just wanna confirm if it's literally as simple as displayport > VGA adapter > ??? > profit. I'm not sure what the last couple steps are.

>>8382673
>>8382682
I didn't respond because I was at work, but also because sRGB has nothing to do with NTSC/PAL/SECAM since it's a color profile. Unless you're talking about RGB with combined sync (RGBS) in which case it would work.

>>8384676
VGA is rgb, there’s nothing you need to do besides combining the sync signals (alerts discussed in thread). Alternatively there are ways to set your gpu to output csync directly

>>8384676
You'd think so but a lot of DP to VGA adapters won't work unless it detects a monitor being connected through EDID transfer taking place. RGBHV isn't enough to make it work. GPUs with VGA ports on them don't care and they'll pump shit out through VGA by default if nothing is connected to the digital ports.

>>8384810

>there’s nothing you need to do besides combining the sync signals

Cool cool. But yeah you might as well be asking a dog to make pancakes here man, because I have no clue what that means.

Would you kindly at least point me to the posts that discuss it?

>>8384597
>Like, that's not gonna work on some grandma's old Philips TV set I find on Freecycle right? Or does it?
Of course it would.

>>8384656
Why would you need to do RGB to component if you have a set with RGB SCART or a PVM with BNC RGB in?

>>8384810
This.

>>8384818
>You'd think so but a lot of DP to VGA adapters won't work unless it detects a monitor being connected through EDID transfer taking place.
EDID has nothing to do with it, no VGA adapter requires it to work, many high end older VGA monitors didn't even support it, only used RGBHV and the adapter is designed to work with those like with any other VGA device, EDID wasn't a thing for a long time of VGAs life.
The VGA adapter knows something is connected when you connect ground and even a single RGB line, not the EDID line. Stop spreading lies.

>RGBHV isn't enough to make it work.
That's all you need. Those 5 lines + ground. Plus a 15kHz modeline on the software side, either using CRU if you use Windows or if Linux, you'll already know what to do.

>GPUs with VGA ports on them don't care and they'll pump shit out through VGA by default if nothing is connected to the digital ports.
A DP to VGA adapter is no different than GPUs with VGA DACs onboard, they even register as onboard VGA since it's literally just data lines from the GPU going to a RAMDAC.

>>8385063
Well, you can look for VGA to SCART cables with combined sync and buy a pre-made cable. Alternatively you can just join H+V sync together but use 1k resistors before joining them together into combined/composite sync when making your own cable. As described in: >>8362171

You can ignore the 5V/12V part if you're okay with switching to RGB yourself instead of wanting it to be done automatically.

>>8385158
Cont.

Helpful links: https://pastebin.com/fGQFWFAH

As stated, alternatively buy a VGA to SCART cable from a reputable seller, if they provide a pinout, compare it to the picture posted in the above post before buying.
For DP to VGA adapter, DeLOCK 62967 is confirmed to work great with 15kHz modes and detects devices hooked up to it absolutely fine (disregard what the other anon said about EDID, it's not true).

Good luck and have fun.

>>8379854
Dunno, $50? Shouldn't need audiophile gear for compressed audio in games, right?

>>8385565
You can have shit like E10k that's more than enough DAC for even high end audio gear for 99.9% of use cases for 50 bucks, so true I'd say.

>>8385158
>>8385169
The CRT thread should have a sticky with such infos

>>8385620
Thanks, I guess?
I can make a better explained pastebin for the /crt/ general if you want with more links or feel free to do it yourself.

>>8385158
>A DP to VGA adapter is no different than GPUs with VGA DACs onboard
There is one difference, calibration actually works with onboard ramdacs, when you alter the gamma ramp you don't get that horrible color banding. All digital connections are seriously flawed since gamma correction needs to be forced back into 8bits.

>>8386253
explain, sounds like bullshit

>>8386253
External DisplayPort VGA DACs are no different than majority of the later internal ones even in the way they are wired up, where they were wired up from a internal DP line from the GPU, they even register as internal VGA on modern GPUs thanks to that.

>>8386253
Isn't this only a issue with HDMI adapters because color space mapping?

>>8375737
I have a GTX 1080 and though I had to go to 980 and lower to get proper analog vga out. Are them converters lagless?

>>8386306
>I have a GTX 1080 and though I had to go to 980 and lower to get proper analog vga out.
No need.

They are just external RAMDACs, they have no more or less lag than GPUs with VGA connectors.

>>8386274
True vga ports have a higher bit dac, maybe 12bits. When you calibrate the monitor, the ramdac uses a lookup table to convert the 8bit value to 12bits, thus allowing calibration without color banding.
>>8386276
It works properly on my GTX760, I can adjust the gamma ramp with zero color banding. Truncating the ramp to 8bits results in very noticeable banding.

>>8386389
are you using Windows?

>>8386428
Yes

What’s the best dp to vga adapter for my fw900. The hard forum thread spams the delock adapter but I was wondering about any first hand accounts here

>>8386389
>True vga ports have a higher bit dac, maybe 12bits. When you calibrate the monitor, the ramdac uses a lookup table to convert the 8bit value to 12bits, thus allowing calibration without color banding.
Majority of internal RAMDACs were 8-bit or even 6-bit, only some workstation cards like Quadro and later Radeon cards have 10-bit RAMDACs. Made little sense to have higher on the concumer market.
The external DisplayPort VGA adapters have the capability to be 10-bit too, if the RAMDAC used is 10-bit, it's not a limiting factor and 10-bit DP to VGA adapters exist and aren't that uncommon, since 10-bit DACs were/are mass-produced.

Pretty sure 12-bit RAMDACs for graphics didn't even exist. At least were never used in GPUs or dongles. Feel free to prove me wrong, I haven't really looked into if 12-bit DACs were used.
I think even Quadro cards with VGA connectors just had 12-bit pipelines and not actual physicals 12-bit DACs, just 10-bit, but I'd love to know if I'm wrong.

>It works properly on my GTX760, I can adjust the gamma ramp with zero color banding. Truncating the ramp to 8bits results in very noticeable banding.
Could you show me a source saying the RAMDAC is actually 10-bit or 12-bit or stating the model of the RAMDAC? Even if you physically have a 10-bit DAC for example, pretty sure it's locked to 8-bit, being a concumer GeForce card.

>>8386342
No more or less then a real vga port? Like from older gpus? Can you link me one?

>>8386473
>>8386492
See: >>8385169

Higher ends ones exist of course, but there's little benefit over the price.

>>8386495
Ohh shit, your saving me a retro build. What about for proper vga on a computer CRT

>>8386509
They have a pretty high pixel clock and will run majority of VGA monitors to their max.

If you're >>8386473 I think the DeLock discussed in this thread will be 5 or 10 Hz short if you run the FW900 at it's max resolution. But not certain, you'd have to look it up.

As far as I know it has a DAC with 330MHz pixel clock.

>>8386529
I'm not him, I have a few pc CRTs and a few 240p consumer sets I'd love to get a PC screen on.

>>8386564
Then it will work fine, I've tested it with both with 240p 15kHz TVs/monitors and also VGA PC monitors. Even if your PC CRT goes up to like 1600x1200@100Hz, the DeLock will manage it and doesn't break the bank.

>>8386486
I have done some additional testing with truncation of the gamma ramp, and it seems that 10bits is enough, so its probably 10bits.

Anyway on the subject of only high end cards having 10bits. The Quadro cards expose 10bit video modes to the user, that is a very different thing from having a 10bit dac to support proper calibration without horrific banding. Basically the entire video path is 8bits, except for the last step where the 8bit color is converted to 10bits using a lookup table to support gamma ramps.

>>8386623
What do you use for testing? Isn't 10-bit locked away from usage on GeForce / non-Quadro cards from being used at all?

>>8386634
As I said, supporting 10bits internally to allow for banding free gamma ramps is a very different thing to supporting 10bit video modes. Even my old x300 card from 2005 supported banding free gamma ramps.

For testing I am using SetDeviceGammaRamp
This function uses a fixed point 8.8 format, the default gamma ramp goes up in steps of 256. So basically the upper 8bits are the whole steps, and the lower 8bits are the fraction. If you generate a new gamma ramp, but truncate it to 8bits then you get banding, but if you allow the fraction to be non-zero then the banding goes away.

god damn it i pulled the fucking trigger

i can't believe i'm this autistic

>>8386663
>Even my old x300 card from 2005 supported banding free gamma ramps.
Yes, because all radeon cards have dithering against that built into the driver, even 8-bit DAC models, only later Radeons had actual 10-bit DACs.

>>8386253
don't think there's much to calibrate on my TV

>>8386673
How much?

>>8386807
Looks like a Italitard, I can find many 20 inch Sony PVMs in Italy for around 200€

>>8362171
what about the DELOCK 65028 VGA to SCART cable? does that one work out of the box or do i still need to add those two resistors?

>>8386807
435 with shipping, low hours though.
>>8386831
yup. As of late you can't find a lot of PVMs though... they've trickled off the market in recent years and you don't see them as much anymore. My CRT wish list is a BVM 2010p, a decent consumer sony wega or a quintrix (4:3, idk if i'd want a 16:9), maybe a dot pitch nec because of how neat they are, and an Astro/Blast city with a Nanao that has no burn-in. Findin those is a matter of time and luck, i guess.

I already got a few CRTs (PVM 2130QM, multiscan E215, a sanwa crt in a Naomi Universal cabinet) but it's never enough.

>>8386846
Never had the cable and their documentation says nothing specific, but then again DeLOCK is a decent company, I'd expect them to make decent cables

>>8386907
Normally I'd cringe, but sadly things have gotten so retarded that that's actually considered a good deal in this day and age, sadly. Over here in burgerland, shit is absolutely FUCKED for anyone who dare want a PVMeme. Talking like 500 just for a dinky 13" one and thousands for any of the 20" models. And god help you if you want a BVM or especially any of the multiformat models.

I still stand by the assessment I've made for years and years now though, that the best option is just consumer CRT. And for burgers, an RGB/component transcoder, but in eurostan that's not even needed.

>>8387193
yeah. I normally wouldn't dare pay that kind of ridiculous money for a CRT but honestly? This is as good as it gets nowadays and if i ever want one, i either get one now and bite the bullet or have to wait a year and a half before one that's worth getting pops up around here for at least double that price. People are paying 900 bucks for 2130QMs and i got mine for 200 a few years back. It's utterly retarded.

I do agree on getting consumer CRTs (that's why i want one asap, they're GOAT) but in EU they don't have component input, which is retarded. Reason why i want a BVM 2010p, but good luck with that.
Disclaimer, i do have a couple of VERY LOW HOURS, VERY WELL KEPT NTSC component-capable consumer crts (trinitron and a quintrix) but those are in my rents' vacation home in south america and it'll be years before i can go back there, let alone bring them back to italy, but at the very least they're under my possession. I took pic related on one (just for the lulz so pardon the quality)
I blame reddit for the current state of the market, i think i can't hate that fucking website and its faggot users more than i already do then time passes and i invariably hate it even more.
I just hope i can get a decent candy cab before the end of the world so i can wait until a meteor kills us all playing daioujou and ketsui all day long.

I keep being surprised at how much the death of this technology bothers me and how much i want to save what i can by squandering unjustifiable amounts of money at buying cabinets and such just so i can have them and not have them be dismantled.

>>8387230
But isn't RGB fairly standard over there instead? That's more desirable for old games anyway since component isn't supported by anything before the PS2, the PS2/PS3 can choose either RGB or Component, and gamecubes and wiis can do RGB in PAL land. AFAIK the only thing that's a bit wonky with RGB rather than component is Xbox, I believe.

And yeah, I know what you mean about trying to keep old tech alive. This shit is never coming back, so whatever you have essentially needs to last you the rest of time. I just consider myself fortunate I picked up my BVM and two PVMs a long time ago when they were cheap, and have consumer CRTs as well as fall-back options.

>>8387263
yep. RGB is the norm, but i want the option i guess. I need to justify dropping dosh on CRTs somehow, cmon.

Good on you for buying the cathode bitcoin back in the day, i wish i could have gotten a bvm as well. I really just need a couple cabinets and i'm literally set for life because i'm not giving them up.

I wonder if there are any egret IIs in the market at all at this point, they seem pretty much extinct and the people who do have them don't want to part ways with them at all, or at least not for petty cash.

>>8387230
Reddit along with ecelebs pumped the prices of what’s essentially e-waste to ridiculous prices. It’s fucking sad but here I am with my trash-picked 20M4 realizing I have a $2500 TV.

>>8387273
how many of the ridiculously priced PVMs actually sell? looking at ebay sold listing they are usually half the price

>>8387273
I still don't understand why these people choose to scalp PVMs. They're huge, heavy, and take up a ton of space. They also have aging components and need to be serviced and stored in a way that won't damage them. Even if you theoretically bought pallets and pallets of them years ago for dirt cheap, you'd still need to fucking STORE all those monstrous things for all that time waiting for them to appreciate. And for what? A few thousand bucks here and there selling to an extremely niche audience?

It's like, okay bro, you could've just bought some bitcoin or eth or pretty much anything else and had many factors better return on your investment with no worry about how to liquidate, no storage or service considerations, dealing with shipping, etc.

>>8385158
>>8385169

Thank you based CRTAnon.

If I had known this was a thing a few years ago I would have done it when I still had an old CRT at my parent's house. Almost certain they thrown it out by now though.

Gonna have to hit up the eBay grind and spend a day driving out to get one now.

>>8387283
Most people who sell bulk got them bulk themselves for free from places that delisted them for recycling

>>8387283
I know a guy who bought a bunch of VCRs when they were being replaced with DVRs and still has a shitton in a storage unit somewhere. Apparently the appeal of physical goods makes sense to normalfags. It’s working because he sells them to the tune of $300 per, likely to boomers who discovered their old family videos rotting in the basement.

>>8387303
>>8387304
point still stands. You're still storing all that shit and it's still something extremely illiquid because you can only sell a very low volume to a very niche audience.

Mind you, I have the same opinion regarding people who resell/scalp old vidya shit in general as well, since it's still a ton of effort for little payoff, even with how prices have exploded. It's just that the PVM scalping is a more extreme example due to the physical size they take up

>>8387321
Scalping cartridges is fucking dumb because there are ways to play the game exactly as if you had the cartridge itself. With appliances it makes sense since there’s nothing else that can play a VHS tape and modern displays still don’t come close to CRT for /vr/.

>>8387334
From a strictly rational POV, I agree with you. Which is why I focus more on buying console hardware, modding stuff when appropriate, and getting CRTs and AV equipment. But that's not MOST people who go ga-ga over old shit. There are tons and tons of people who go apeshit over old carts and pay out the ass for them regardless of free emulation being piss-easy, not to mention a million-and-one legal ways to play them if they care about that.

The point I'm making is that sitting on niche shit for years and selling it one-by-one to a relatively illiquid market just seems like a terrible strategy for making money. There are so many better and EASIER ways to do that instead.

>>8387321
Yeah but if the price of one unit costs as much as a storage unit to store them till they are all sold and you get 10 at once, when you got them from a friend of a friend who said they are being delisted from a old studio, etc or whatnot, seems like a no brainer.

>>8387347
The average idiot buys WATA rated scams and plays them stretched to fit their 1080p LCD TV.

>>8387365
one in the bush is worth two in the blah blah blah. Still too much effort bothering with any of that shit. Still not like you can make a living off selling an overpriced meme monitor every once in a blue moon.

>>8387385
...I guess depends where you live, I lived like that for a while lol

>>8387347

I don't think any of the people doing this stuff are doing it to try get rich (except the game rating con artists), it's just a "side hustle" that occasionally pays for a weekend away or something like that.

That said it's all relative, it might seem like there are easier ways to make money, but if there truly were, we'd all be doing them, and poorfags wouldn't exist. You can only reliably make money in something where you know the trade and have insider knowledge of the market, so if you're a retro vidya nerd, that's probably the think you're most knowledgable about how to make money.

My PVM-20M2MDE broke yesterday.
The picture provided isn't mine, but an example of what is wrong. Just a white, horizontal line in the middle of the screen that doesn't touch the side. It's also emitting a high pitch whine that CRT usually make when first turned on, but it doesn't go away. I don't want to turn mine on incase I further damage it.
Dr Google says it's "vertical collapse", which seems to be repairable. I'll call my repair guy as soon as I can Monday morning.
I really hope it can be saved. While a 20M2MD isn't a top tier model, the unit means a lot to me.

>>8388362
i had that same issue! it's not the worst, you probably have a busted vertical positioning potentiometer. Those are like 2 bucks a pop and take 3 minutes to repair. It happened to my 2130QM and after replacing it, it works like new again.

Of all the issues you can get with a CRT that's not nearly one of the worst

>>8388362
>I'll call my repair guy as soon as I can Monday morning.
Learn to do it yourself or you're not worthy to have equipment like that

>>8388381
Thanks. That's good to hear.

>>8388385
I'd love to, but I just don't have hands steady enough to solder. I've attempted to fix things in the past, only to fuck them up worse. Even writing these posts isn't easy.

>>8388362
Don't bother its fucked. You just sat there gawking at it whilst the phosphors were being cooked. Think about how much energy is being dumped into that line. Assuming NTSC, 525 lines has been collapsed down to 1, and the horizontal scan appears to have collapsed as well so add at least another 30% more energy. We are looking at something like 900 times the energy being dumped into that line, its over.

>>8388447
>>8388362
Yeah, it definitely has bad burn-in now.

>>8374667
What about in comparison to 1080 or 1440p?

>>8389524
not him but honestly i think anything beyond 1080p is overkill and doesn't really make much of a difference. 720>1080 is a noticeable leap, 2k (1440) you notice a difference but depending on screen size and application your mileage varies a lot in terms of how much of a difference it makes in quality or better experience, 4k is just a meme, anything beyond that is retarded.

The FW900 is neat because of what it is but it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overrated as a monitor, especially at the price point the market demands right now. It's unbuyable. And it won't really make much of a difference because new graphics and pc stuff works best on flatscreen/digital res stuff since it's locked to be a certain size/ratio and all the newer stuff isn't made to be displayed with scanlines/shadow masks in mind. After 480p stopped being the standard, it stopped making much of a difference because individual pixels matter less and sprites are no longer the norm. And what still is made with sprites either works well on a 480p display or on a state-of-the-art monitor, for the most part. Unless you want to play, like, modern 16:9 2d games all day (which you can), you can consider getting one but it's not really worth it just for that. And there's other 16:9 CRTs other than the FW900 that have HDMI/component inputs that support 1080i/p if you're in the US, which should very much suffice if that's what you want.

Honestly? If you can get one of those hdmi CRTs besides the FW900 i'd get one just because you probably won't get a change to do so again, but if you just want a decent display that's not shitty, just get a modern one, like a decent OLED one or a dell S-IPS professional monitor, or if you don't care about latency and can find a good one, buy a plasma.

>>8389615
What do you mean, there’s a plethora of them being given away for free

>>8389714
if you're in the states sure...

>>8389714
The 1080i HDCRTs I mean

>>8389717
True, it’s shame euros never got many of those, but then again, you’re not missing out on too much. There are plenty of reasons to dislike them.
I do recall B&O making a few hd beovision sets off you wanted to look out for those

>>8389830
glad to hear, somewhat. I still want a decent consumer set to complement my pvms. I want to watch old stuff on those, 4:3 sucks on modern TVs

>>8389717
>>8389830
Some kind of joke? You can pick up free HD TVs with component and even HDMI for free in plenty of European countries (talking from personal experience). I don't understand how you'd think they were any less common turning the transitional period to HD before panels were popular, specially when Europe was way ahead in HD adoption.

>>8389867
I’ve heard many accounts of hdcrts being nigh nonexistent in Europe, but perhaps those were all British and its different in the mainland

>>8389867
well then go and find me one since you seem to know more than a native living here not finding ANY of these god damn sets. This isn't my first rodeo, i've been trying to get one for years, i'm god damn 30 now and i've barely seen any. I've been a fan of CRTs for literally decades at this point and have been interested in them for years and years and years.

Maybe the situation is better in northern europe, sure, but that's not where i live and if you think i'm going to drive up north for literally hundreds of kilometers to pick up a tv set you're insane.

>>8390194
nope

>>8390194
>I’ve heard many accounts of hdcrts being nigh nonexistent in Europe
Bullshit, even my poorfag family had one in the late 90's

>>8391454
I'm in Germany and typing "röhre hdmi" into local eBay gives shitloads of HD TVs.

>>8391508
Actually disregard that, just hdmi and then picking out the tube ones gives the results I thought about, normies don't put both into the title.

>>8391514
Also VGA gives good results under TVs

>>8391506
You retard, you think anyone without money even came close to HD in the 90s?

I don’t think Europe got the super fine pitch HD trinitrons so the point is moot, anyhow; none of the other hd sets are worth it lol

>>8391508
well then come over here then and bring me one of them CRTs so i can give you a little kiss on the forehead and some cash for it you big TV having ass

>>8391582
Example?

>>8391559
Nvm you're retarded and were talking specifically about HDTV without saying HDTV

This thread is so full of confidently incorrect morons. What happened to this hobby?

>>8392469
>no argument

>>8392469
probably evolved from dickwagglers trying to show off their 100 thousand hour bvm they pulled from the trash, and then retards getting jealous and buying things they don't understand for insane prices

>>8362157
This might come across as stupid but why/when was exif data removed? I remember many years ago a guy posted pics of his niece on /b/ and through exif he was identified.

>>8392482
Because phones started having GPS and including GPS coordinates in picture EXIFs by default, anons would dox themselves constantly and 4chan doesn't want to deal with the bad publicity, so stripping EXIF and any other file related identifier is the easiest to get rid of that problem.

>>8392469
some of it is just trolling. If you think you're going to get better info from reddit you're sorely mistaken. If you want something more proper go on arcade hardware forums and ask there.

>>8392708
/r/crt gaming has been shit for far longer than these threads have been. Same goes for the collective and that furfags discord. Traditional forums are probably the last bastion but I haven't even been to those in a while. Maybe I'm just becoming an elitist and jaded asshole. I'm not even looking for info anyways, it would just be cool to discuss crts with people who don't know what they're talking about.

>>8392756
Who do know what they're talking about*

>>8392756
>it would just be cool to discuss crts with people who don't know what they're talking about.
/vr/ and /g/?

>>8376482
The Wii is seriously my favorite method of playing games 4th gen and earlier when I have access to a CRT. It looks so fucking good at native 240p.

>>8392842
Why not use a PC or Pi or something more powerful and flexible?

>>8388447
This. I made the same mistake fucking around with a CRT. Granted it was just one of those small semi-portable ones intended for use in a kitchen, but still. Disconnected the deflection shit so that it was just a single bright dot at the center of the screen. Still works but now there's a burned-out dot right in the middle of the screen.
Always be careful when disassembling/reassembling your CRTs, anons. Make sure everything is connected properly before turning it back on, and also make sure to set the brightness to the lowest setting as well, and turn it off ASAP if you see anything wrong.

>>8392845
Honestly never looked into it, and I mostly play 4th gen and earlier anyway and it runs the vast majority of those games close enough to perfect that it doesn't bother me. The older I get, the less I like spending my time messing with computer settings. Reading this thread, it looks like a pain to get a modern PC to output 240p unless you have specific hardware, for example. My Wii is already set up and does what I like well.

>>8392884
>Reading this thread, it looks like a pain to get a modern PC to output 240p unless you have specific hardware, for example.
Where does this myth come from? Even this thread points to the opposite

>>8392845
Why not keep using a wii if you already have it and it works fine with no fuss?
Hell I have a setup perfectly capable of outputting to 240p (see pic) but I still prefer a wii in many instances.

>>8392908
VGA CRT?

>>8392926
bvmeme

>>8392967
Very nice

>>8392756
i hate tech trannies and furries so god damn fucking much you have no idea, and more than them i hate the fact that it's now an issue that we have to deal with. I know exactly what you mean and to my dismay, this is not relegated to just CRTs, sadly. If we're talking /vr/, this extends to shmups and old computers/games A LOT. Like, a real fucking lot. My disgust knows no bounds, if not for their lack of expertise and irreverent ignorance when giving shit info and doing shit repair jobs and whatnot, their personalities, mental issues, overt pervesion and offensive appearance. What a fucking life.

Arcadeotaku and the like are still really good though, there's still some good venues around, but a lot of it got shit on during the years. I play rhythm games, and oh boy, let me tell you, it's like an open air orgy where in between grooming minors they talk about games. I just want to play 5key and ez2* and old pump it up versions, goddamit.

>>8366481
>>8366487
>>8366492
>>8366496
Looks pretty neat.

>>8392842
I bought an FX PakPro so I can use my snes jr more. Is the Wii snes emulation pretty spot on, or does it have issues?

>>8393194
all that hatred for shit that has literally zero affect on your miserable fucking life lol

>>8393419
>zero effect
>bro this thing that costed 5 bucks 10 years ago is 500 now, lol enjoy

>>8393419
If you really think this has "no effect on anybody", you are impossibly ignorant or immensely self-absorbed.

how do i even know what resolution a given crt will be able to display if TV lines isnt the deciding factor and nowhere in the manual does it say how many Hz it has, 15kHz or higher. im seeing a couple pvm and bvm offers popped up on ebay but i dont know if they are what im looking for. i already have a 14m2e for 240p consoles but was hoping there was a 480p, not 480i option as well.

>>8393773
It doesn't say in the manual? It should state the kHz and the Hz and with those you can calculate everything.
Give an example model you want to find stuff about.

>>8393782
the 20M2MDE does 15khz im pretty sure, but i dont know how i would know that by reading the manual
http://www.bpm-systems.de/pdf/pvm20m2mde.pdf
same with the 20F1E
https://www.smecc.org/kkat-iptv/bvm20f1u%2520operating%2520manual%5B1%5D.pdf

>>8393782
in the mean time i found a list on reddit that apparently has all of the few professional 480p sets listed and says that im better off getting a vga monitor instead..

>>8393795
>says that im better off getting a vga monitor instead..
Depends what you want to do with it. VGA monitors are a lot sharper and most can't do 15kHz in return.

Why are old recordings directly from CRT on VHS so comfy?
https://ia902702.us.archive.org/9/items/ChronoTrigger_334/ChronoTrigger_334_HQ_part06.mp4

You can clearly see the smooth motion of a CRT(even on a typical LCD) and you can clearly see the graphics as they were intended all blended and smooth(no gayass scanlines).

Also, why do original japanese versions of JRPG's have such kino fonts and graphical UI elements but English versions have shit boring ones?
Makes you feel like you're playing inferior versions of games and not just because of translation quality.

>>8393786
Everything that does PAL and/or NTSC must be at least 15kHz and does 240p and 480i

>>8393801
It works like a real life CRT filter

>>8393797
thats fine, for 15khz i have my pvm. but if i ever stumble upon a good monitor around the 480, maybe even 720p range i wont pass it up. if its reasonably priced

>just saw a listing for a bvm with 77k runtime
holy shit, they last that long? thats almost 9 years straight

ive seen people voice dislike over flatscreen crts a couple of times, whats the issue with them?
also, what do you think about the ViewSonic E70f+?
theres a relatively cheap offer up and im tempted.

>>8393837
>ive seen people voice dislike over flatscreen crts a couple of times, whats the issue with them?
Nothing really, on TVs it can mean slight latency increase because the picture is digitally adjusted, on VGA monitors, they are usually small enough to not matter.
Flat CRTs became a thing when we could process the signal so it does not disturb with different travel distances, since the surface of the phosphor needed to be the same distance from the gun

>also, what do you think about the ViewSonic E70f+?
>theres a relatively cheap offer up and im tempted.
It's not the greatest, specially at 17" but if it's like 10 bucks and you have nothing else, it's going to be just fine for /vr/ purposes.

>>8393849
hm, the viewsonic goes for 170€.
how about a DELL D1028LR for 40€? mind you, i dont need resolution beyond 720p so thats completely fine for me.

>>8393858
>hm, the viewsonic goes for 170€.
That's way too much. Specially in Germany.

>how about a DELL D1028LR for 40€? mind you, i dont need resolution beyond 720p so thats completely fine for me.
Similar to the ViewSonic. I'd say 40€ is still too much but if you're only going to do 1280x960 etc it will be fine.
I'd recommend you put up a ad that you're looking for CRTs instead of buying one outright right now if there's nothing better close to you.

>>8393858
This would be something nice, pic related.
Going by the Dell's location and not being much further from that.

Sure, overkill for near 720p resolutions but for 20€ it's a very nice monitor that can do much higher end too, plus it's nice and big.

>>8393878
thanks, ill check it out

>>8386910
got the cable and adapter. the cable doesnt have the resistors needed, but it shouldnt be a problem to add them myself. much more curiously regarding your "DeLOCK is a decent company, I'd expect them to make decent cables": both cable and adapter are from DeLOCK, yet the screws on the cable's VGA end are to short to screw into the holes on the adapter, leaving me with a very fickle connection. ill have to find slightly longer screws or maybe swap in a different VGA plug

>>8394661
That's pretty dumb design, wouldn't expect that from items from the same company.
Does the cable right now just add both H+V together with no components between?

Anyways, I've had similar problems, I usually just use zip ties to make the connection robust.

>>8394718
doesnt seem like it, but the wires are also not connected to the pins the same way as posted here >>8385158
i think ill make a proper new one, the individual wires arent even shielded from one another inside the cable.

>>8394729
That is the best idea, you know what you're getting then.

>>8394738
to clarify something in the guide
if my tv can do manual RGB switching, do i not need the entire molex plug or do i just not need it to be 12V?

>>8394753
Yep, it's only there so your TV switches automatically when you turn your PC on. Which is not even preferred since it's not good to give your TV 31kHz, which your PC might do while booting.

>>8385158
>You can ignore the 5V/12V part if you're okay with switching to RGB yourself instead of wanting it to be done automatically.

>>8393419
found the seething tranny lmfao, it's so easy to bait you horrid chimeras to come out of the woodworks so i can laugh at you

you will never be a woman (or an engineer, for that matter) and your existence is an eyesore for everyone and an affront to common sense, take your unbridled fetishism you're trying to impose unto everybody and get fucked

Is there much variation in how a CRT looks? Like as long as it's relatively modern is it likely to have a good picture? I've been browsing Facebook Marketplace for the last month looking to grab one, but I keep passing over sets that otherwise fit my criteria because it's a less recommended brand and I don't want to get it home only to discover that it looks poor.

>have a PAL N64 and a PAL CRT
>considering getting an everdrive to play NTSC games and also to pirate shit
>S-video port on my CRT only accepts PAL signals, but the RGB port accepts both

Would it be possible to convert the s-video signal to RGB? I was thinking of getting a converter to go from S-video to VGA, and then using a VGA-SCART adapter

>>8394870
theres a bunch of factors but if youre not on the look for a PVM or something then pretty much any consumer set with the right connections should do the trick. many even say the imperfections of a cheap set paired with bad signals is what game devs intended their games to be played through. if its cheap, just get it, have it tested before if possible.

ran some 480p/480i->240p downscaling experiments on my Xbox and PS2
not as good as an original source, but still better than 240p games converted to 480i

>>8394872
RGB does not have PAL or NTSC, those are colour encoding standards, RGB is just colour, it's not encoded.
Just convert your console to RGB or get a RGB cable for it if it already has RGB outputs from factory. Look it up.

>>8393773
If we're talking PVMs/BVMs then the ones that can do >480i will say "multiformat" in the top corner. They're also the ones that are the most sought-after and way more expensive, in a market that's already insanely expensive.

for what it's worth, I think high def on a PVM/BVM is overrated and people pay way too much for something that really isn't necessary. 240p/480i content is what suffers the most trying to show on a modern display. 480p and up looks fine, and even then it you absolutely need higher resolutions on a CRT, PC monitors are WAY cheaper

>>8394930
I really hate how many 6th gen games show sprite art designed for 240p as 480i instead. Tons of capcom fighting games, ports of older 2D games like the sonic collection, the fucking gameboy player startup disc, etc. Like come on, at least give an option in the main menu or something. I know that some games do have secret button combos to press at startup to force 240p on dreamcast and on other systems like gamecube you can force 240p via homebrew but come on.

>>8394948
Yeah, the RGB input would accept either. But the N64 originally only supports S-Video at best. I considered the RGB mod, but I have literally zero experience with soldering so I doubt I could install it myself. Might just have to save up some extra cash for the installation service

>>8393815
How long do you think some of those original Pac-Man screens lasted

>>8394870
The number 1 real for tvs nowadays is Their wear. If it’s Been sitting unused in a guest room it’s almost sure to be better than a daily driver family room tv, for any 2 comparable tvs

picked up a 14" VGA monitor for free recently. it's digital brand and has the same chassis as pic related. VGA and RGBHV BNC inputs. trinitron tube, 80kHz horizontal and 75Hz vertical, 1280x1024 resolution. the convergence is kinda fucked around the edges (might mess around with the innards later) but the geometry's good. don't know the hours. I'm using an hdmi to vga converter right now for my pc and I have a few questions: first, would a displayport to vga converter be faster or have any other benefits? second, is there a way to display other inputs (composite, s-video, component) on this screen without (significant) input lag? I know i could rgb mod my consoles but I'd rather not. I don't really like the look of noticable scanlines so a line doubler that can handle 480p to 960p somewhere in the signal chain would be appreciated if such a device exists. Basically, I need a way to get from not RGB to RGB without incurring too much lag. Suggestions?

>>8395762
DP to VGA will give you in general the best experience, since it works like onboard VGA, instead of doing HDMI to analog conversion. No problems with color space and also can run much higher modes.

Does the monitor accept 15kHz? If yes then you could hook up RGB consoles to it, if not, you'd need active conversion, like OSSC.

Hello, I've got a Panasonic Tau for 10 dollars and it's a gigantic beast of a CRT, its model number is CT-F3444XJ and tried looking for its manual but didn't find anything (well, found some sites claiming that they had the manual but you have to buy it). Any anon familiar with this model or who has the manual? Mainly I'd like to know if it's 480p compatible.

>>8395992
No, it’s not 480p. If a tv doesn’t have “HD” plastered all over it it’s 480i only. And conversely, if the tv can display 240p/480i without scaling, it cannot do 480p. Almost every consumer tv does only one or the other

>>8395882
looks like the lowest it'll take is 30kHz. thanks.

My 14m4u randomly gets a green tint every now and then but I think it's happening more often. Could it just be the cables I'm using for my console or is it finally dying on me

>>8374667
CRT doesn't care about resolutions.

Anyone familiar with this 7in1 SCART switcher? I want something passive with clicky buttons but the normal 6in1 has too few inputs. I need at least 7.

>>8396270
Many PVMs support 480p while not being HD.
I mean PVMs in general, not just Sony PVMs.

>>8397275
Horizontal* resolution
It sure cares about vertical.

>>8397759
Actually other way around, technically. Since horizontal resolution is up/down and vertical left/right.

>>8397760
Uuuuuh
Wat?

>>8397758
>many
No, a few do

>>8397807
You're thinking of just Sony PVMs

>>8397804

>>8397819
I think you are confused here anon, each line here represents a scan line
So there are 240 of those lines that scan 60 times per second to get your image, they do scan horizontally but that’s not the horizontal resolution

>>8397825
Horizontal resolution is top to bottom, TVL are horizontal lines. Those are the phosphor itself and how sharp a picture can be is limited by them, not the signal.
Vertical resolution is lines from left to right, the lines the beam scans. Only limited by the TVs circuitry and defined by the signal.

Hence CRTs can accept any horizontal resolution (even if they can't properly display/resolve it) but the vertical resolution is limited (amount of left to right lines), just because CRT doesn't know what a resolution is, doesn't mean it plays no role or that there's no limit.

>>8397838
>Hence CRTs can accept any horizontal resolution
>Horizontal* resolution, It sure cares about vertical.
>Actually other way around
I think you’ve confused yourself in the conversation somewhere

>>8397838
TVL are vertical lines dude.

>>8397851
Just ignore the "other way around" in >>8397760.
The last post is correct.

>>8397857
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_lines

>>8397873
the number of VERTICAL lines you can squeeze into a given horizontal space, dude. the lines are vertical. Just look at the very picture on the link you posted.

>>8397873
So you said the other guy was wrong, only to then go into detail to why he was right?

>>8397876
>the number of VERTICAL lines you can squeeze into a given horizontal space
... is the horizontal resolution.

The number of HORIZONTAL lines you can squeeze into a given vertical space ... is the vertical resolution.

TVL is the top to bottom lines, if you look close at a AG or slot mask CRT, even if it's off, you can still see them.
There's a huge misconception about them being what you see as scanlines, etc.

>>8397881
I was both anons, anon, I just got carried away. Hence why I explained it better in the longer post to fix the confusion.

>>8397916
Here's a high TVL count Sony PVM vs a low TVL counts concumer Trinitron. You can see the TVL difference clearly.

I think it's hilarious there's people who pay ridiculous prices for PVMs because higher TVL count but don't even know what it means
I remember selling a PVM to a guy who asked if this will have more scanlines than his old PVM

>>8397916
I feel like there a huge disconnect on what you’re saying and what it actually is here
Horizontal resolution is literally the width, there aren’t really any lines apart from the TVL
Vertical resolution is literally the scan lines of the of the electron gun going left to right 240 times from top to bottom
No one was arguing against this except you going out of your way to confuse the situation

>>8397939
>No one was arguing against this except you going out of your way to confuse the situation
See >>8397857
See >>8397275
Which is incorrect.

>Horizontal resolution is literally the width, there aren’t really any lines apart from the TVL
Yes, horizontal width, how many different phosphor triplet the beam can hit. In digital real.
TVL directly means how many of those exist.

>Vertical resolution is literally the scan lines of the of the electron gun going left to right 240 times from top to bottom
Doesn't have to be 240p, but correct. As explained here: >>8397838
>Vertical resolution is lines from left to right, the lines the beam scans. Only limited by the TVs circuitry and defined by the signal.

Nothing to confuse.

>>8366481
>>8366492
Wish I had a retro computer to try this out. I'd really love to watch older anime series this way but as of now I'm stuck converting shit to AVI, hoping the quality doesn't look ass, and playing it through my hacked PS2. A lot of hassle just to watch the Namek Saga of DBZ again.

>>8397992
Don't you have a computer at all? You can just use a VGA dongle

>>8394753
No. It's only necessary if you can't manually change to the correct channel or if you're building a cabinet. I have one Bush CRT with no remote that doesn't change to RGB without it. For some reason the TV panel can't select it, it just goes through the channels.

>>8397927
PVM fags BTFO

>>8398214
What if you like thick and obvious scanlines?

>>8397275
Then why can't my TV do anything beyond 480i?

>>8397927
I love how the TV tube is designed to not show blanks between lines while the PVM is reddit-tier blinds.

>>8397994
even better: chromecast on hdmi-to-component box going into pvm