/vr/ - Retro Games

Yeah it's a pretty great series. Tough as nails but when you manage to get a perfect lap it's the best thing ever. Awesome soundtrack and art design too.

It's good, but not a casual racer. Learning curve is somewhat steep. Love everything about the game except the weak AI, it's a game for time trial only, but doing perfect laps on the Phantom speed class feels exhilarating and I haven't seen that feeling replicated again in other franchises.

I probably would have given up after a couple of races if the magazines hasn't given it such high praise. Takes a while to get the hang of using the air brake. You get a little message in wo3 if you do a lap without hitting anything.

>>8377376
i hate how ships control. it's no fun even for the latest PS4 one.
this could have been a great f zero but i instead the awful engine ruins it. cover is kino though.

>>8377376
Nah, RC was better

>>8377376
Just play this

>>8377851
Pulse was incredibly meh, if you have to play nu-Wipeout go with HDFury

>>8377569
You might appreciate these links.
https://www.codemonkey.me.uk/rollcage_redux.php
https://www.codemonkey.me.uk/rollcage_extreme.php

>>8377913
Noice

>>8377412
>I haven't seen that feeling replicated again in other franchises
Only thing I've seen that's close is BallisticNG

>>8377376
Wasn't wipeout 3 the easy one?

>>8377376
Wipeout has always been the most difficult racing games, even the newer ones haven't diminished at all. I get it, F-Zero is hard, but it's not Wipeout 3 hard, also there are power ups so it's another layer ontop of getting good at not destroying your hovercar

>>8377376
It's crazy to think there was a time you could go to cool clubs, dance to the music and watch people play Wipeout on big projector screens.

>>8377557
>its too hard!
lmfao classic fqueerofan everytime, the engine is fuckign incredible and filters out over grown no skill skinnyfats like you very quickly.

>>8377851
pulse and onwards arnt a patch on xl/3

>>8378456
no xl is well if yo're talking just beatng the game which is easy for all of them tbf, time trial though is a diff story.

>>8378521
the pro level is time trial though so weapons become irrelevent. Theres some interesting tech in 3 though where you tap boost on speed panels that have gaps after them and you accel crazy fast.

>>8377569
nah its great but way more limited

>>8377529
try thinking for yourself

>>8377376
my fav game of all time, no it isnt odd, wtf is weird about it? dumb cunt, style was done by graphic design LEGENDS the designers republic.

To get really really good at the game you might want to try a negcon but as you're so retarded and shit you can't even figure basic control i'd say its probs a lost cause, go play fzero instead, it lets you hit and slide on walls with no penalty at all.

>>8378558
you still can?

>>8378559
Go do your clown tricks.

>>8378561
what and where.

>>8377376
I swear I had a copypasta making fun of wipeout faggots but fuck me I cant find it.

>>8378559
I remember you. You were that faggot that posted an autistic mega rant about F-zero a few months ago.

>>8378570
>doesnt like wipeout
>stalks wipeout threads

go stalk your fav anime character

>>8378616
the fqueeros started it long before with their subverted autistic obsession with EVERYTHING BAD BUT MUH NINTENDIES

>>8377376
Sounds based as hell, but if he owns the game he wouldn't be as bad as you on your first try, and what most likely happened is you desperately posted an ad on a casual encounters site and a guy answered and deep down you knew you couldn't get a woman so you just accepted and then you two sucked each others dicks then he fucked you in the ass and after he came in you said
>Isn't this the most fun you've ever had in your life?
Then you drank the cum out of your own ass as he finished you off, then the regret hit and you ran out the door without cleaning the lube or shit off of you, then, weeping, you played old Playstation games on your poverty Android using Retroshart and some filters, which inspired you to make this thread to cope with it.
Or at least, that's the impression I got. If I'm mistaken, then give Wipeout another shot, it gets better.

>>8378561
They went through all the effort of making a fake crt jumbotron but still made it 16:9?

>>8378659
Zoomers dont know the diff

>>8377376
I wish 3 never existed just so faggots would stop fellating it everytime Wipeout is mentioned. Pic related is peak PSX trilogy kino.

>>8378679
>'90s - The Racing Game

>>8378679
xl isnt as good as 3 though with the sole exception of having the greatest track of all time gareduropa

>>8378713
Several XL tracks are on the Special Edition of W3 anyway, including that one.

>>8378612
I just nabbed it off google. It's a barcade called 83 in St. John's, Canada. Those games are probably still modern in Newfoundland, lol.

>>8378730
>>8378612
FB link
fb.com/eightythreebararcade/

>>8378679
3 gets fellated because it's got goteki 45 you smoothie

>>8378728
Doesn't SE have fucked up physics or something?

>>8378841
IIRC all four versions of the game have unique physics and it comes down to personal preference which is best although some people will swear by certain ones. SE is definitely the most floaty. It's probably my favorite but I'm a complete scrub.

>>8378728
>>8378853

even the remade tracks arent as good in se as the OGs especially gareduropa which has no lightning rain or cool lighting in 3 and its not preference as S.E is 25fps and 50hz with retard physics that let you fly off the fucking track and skip half of it, it feels much slower then the others aswell.

and if you think im having a hateboner for S.E heres proof i play that game a lot aswell.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/839875198?filter=all&sort=time

>>8378869
>retard physics that let you fly off the fucking track and skip half of it
Simply don't do it lmao, imagine playing Super Mario World 3 and complaining that the costumes let you skip whole levels

>>8378748
i fellate 3 because it has xpander
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Gu7CXfRdA

>>8378882
>Simply don't do it lmao,
then your times are shit?

fucking retards in this place i swear.

>>8377851
not /vr/etro
either for being a psp-port or released after 2007

>>8378893
Won't be shit compared to OG WO3 times. I'm sorry but is there a huge community of WO3 SE time trialers out there?

>>8378891
>Sasha
extremely based taste anon

>Wipeout is fast
Since when? Every time I've played these games they feel floaty and sluggish.

>>8378561
He said COOL clubs.

>>8378912
the fuck am i reading, yes they both have equal amounts of competition and its not fuckign possible to have times comparable between 3 and s.e so its kept separate.

my 3 time for manortop is like 6 secs faster and its ont execution as my routing and performance are the same, the games just that much different. Wipeoutzone is where the best records are kept.

>>8378948
because youre shit and havent got to phantom class.

retard.

>>8378962
>dude, just play this boring slow game until you unlock the fun part

>>8378679
3 is good but the boost mechanic is really not good.

>>8377569
Anyone who thinks Wipeout is hard would have a brain aneurysm before they got the hang of this.

Ahhhh

Wipeout 3: Special Edition is perhaps the greatest racing game ever made.

The first two and to some extent the vanilla version of 3 are kinda meh, but to their credit, they iterated on it until they got shit right.

Real question is why the fuck did Sony kill Psygnosis, one of the best developers ever.

>>8378561

Not that kind of club, faggot. The type where girls (real, cis gender ones) go.

>>8378561
Anon said clubs, not basedlint dispensaries
>>8378730
>Cucknada
Figures

>>8378972
That's how Mario Kart is, yes.

>>8377376
What's the best course and why is it Stanza Inter?

>>8381389
>not manor top

>>8381394
Hate the way you have to kill your momentum for the section with right angles. The level presentation is god tier ofc.

>>8381415
That is true, but I enjoy how you have to pull off "leaps of faith" towards the inside of the 90° corners to get the sequence right. And the presentation is great, of course.
Stanza has something similiar with the last section but it feels so much wider.

So who do you maid, lads?

I'm conflicted in loyalty between AG-S and Piranha.

>>8381372
Mario Kart is a slow party game by definition though.

>>8381863
Whatever the heavy and fast ship in the game is. But FEISAR is where the heart is.

>>8381876
el museo

>>8381863
Icaras forever
after that, I like AG systems and Ass Gay (Assegai)

>>8381863
>>8381876

Feisar = Soul

AG-S = Heart

Auricom = Mind

Piranha = Dick

Quirex = Balls

The other ones are all secondary and don't matter.

>>8381885
Don't blow my cover fren

>>8377376
gud game

>>8381863
FUCK
QIREX
FEISAR IS FAIR

>>8378972
>holy shit i'm playing on the slow setting and it feels slow
unironically seek help

>>8378972
>doesnt know theers a simple code you enter to unlock everything and just want to get right to it

fucking retarded cunt.

>>8379057
its literally amazing and tons of fun when you actually get good (which u arent).

>>8381901
Tigron = BIGGER DICK

>>8382176
Shut the fuck up you britbong nigger.

>>8382847
back to woooosh

>>8382172
>can't just turn on the game and have fun. Literally have to know a code to make it half as fast as F-Zero.

>>8383046
>muh speeeeeeeeeeeed!
why are f-queeros so fucking obsessed with this? wipeout is so much more technical and deeper than any f-queero it's not even funny.

>>8383208
Their brains have been fried by Sonic and other casual games that give you the feeling of being good, but in actuality are not.

>>8383208
I'm not even convinced that F-Zero is faster than Phantom Icaras in WO3, but my guess is that they confuse framerate with speed

>>8381876
Honourable mention to F1'97 and that wipeout mode that you could play by changing the driver name.

>>8377376
Made me feel sick this game

>>8377376
should've played the japanese version instead because it controls much better.

FUCK ODESSA KEYS.

And in general, fuck the first two games of this series, it's really hard to go back to them for anything but novelty when there's Special Edition. I can't think of another trilogy that so consistently improved with each title like that- Usually it's the opposite.

Also it's funny how even Phantom barely breaks a sweat when you get used to it, but Vector feels like slow motion. These games really got the difficulty curve nailed.

>>8385017
I do wish WO3SE had Valparaiso instead of Sagarmatha, I still go back to play this track, something about it, trying to nail that tunnel section is addictive.

So I'm attempting to gold every track with every team in every class on Wipeout 3 SE.

It's something I'll start every now and again, then forget about, and start again a few months later, and so on.

Anyway I've just spent the last hour and a half getting filtered fucking HARD by Terminal with Feisar. That fucking piece of shit ship literally isn't fast enough to even compete; and any time you're coming up on first place? The game fucking pulls some mines or a rocket out of it's arse. One hit and bam, you go from second all the way down to eighth, an there's literally no way your goddamned horse drawn cart of a craft will ever regain that time. Start, down down, X.

For fuck's sake.

>>8385886
>HARD by Terminal with Feisar. That fucking piece of shit ship literally isn't fast enough to even compete; and any time you're coming up on first place? The game fucking pulls some mines or a rocket out of it's arse
Disable weapons in options

>>8385886
Terminal kinda easy tho.
Imo the AI usually isnt a problem but the rng with weapons can turn even perfect runs into garbage.
Reset for as good of a 1st lap as you can get to try and speed past the AI before they spread out then you'll have extra laps to screw around with and mess up later. If you keep getting shafted and its lap 3 then you basically just give the AI more time to screw you over.
Like all racing games pole position is just so much easier.

>>8385886
route in the repair lan each lap and use the boost, easy, also tapping boost on any pads that follow a drop or gap launches you at crazy speed.

>>8385017
S.E is the most garbage version of 3, 25fps, 50hz, retard floaty phsyics that make craft feel shit and can just fly off the tracks to ski[p half of it, the extra tracks are ok but dont make upo for it, ntsc-u is still the king and the jap release is between the 2.

>>8383046
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!! HAAH DILDO ONESIE SO FAST LOOK MOM IM HARDCORE GAMIN

>>8382847
dont be angry at your poor resolve and lack of genetic inherited talent, just try harder and stop making excuses.

>>8385017
>These games really got the difficulty curve nailed.
kinda but then you start time trialling and realise 90% of the records require learning the icarus which is hard as fuck on every track that isnt porta kora, one for negcons only.

>>8386075
You talk too much.

>>8386268
You stalk too much.

>>8386543
Hey, it’s your fault that you let yourself be known so easily.

>>8386563
the stalkers/rapists defence...

hey you made me do it!

creeper.

>>8386929
Everyone laffs at joo, Ciarrabelle

>>8386932
whatever makes you feel better about being a weirdo stalker mate lmao, no life.

>>8386075

>retard floaty phsyics that make craft feel shit

Feels more like an aircraft would handle IMHO.

That said I can't even really tell that much of a noticeable difference.

>50hz

lol, just emulate and force 60hz, faggot.

>>8387045

If you didn't type like a fucking 12 year old Brazillian kid in Runescape maybe you wouldn't be so easily identified, senpai.

>>8387149
>>8387045
>>8386932
>>8386929
>>8386563
>>8386543
>>8386268
>>8386075
you are both cringe as fuck please kys

>>8386543
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN’T CALL ME OUT ON MY REPETITIVE POSTING HABITS!!!!

>>8377376
If you don't like the way Wipeout 3 handles, please give Wipeout XL a try.

>>8377376
>so fast
Heh, cute

>>8387258
>i dont like you! i MUST stalk you in threads for games i dont play and let you know how repetitive you are!


No cope allowed, you're legit a weirdo and there's no excuse for it.

>>8387139
>That said I can't even really tell that much of a noticeable difference.
yeah because you're a shit player who has no idea wtf hes on about talking to someone who's been playing these games for years at a good level, fucking idiot.

>>8387149
>if you werent blonde haired maybe i wouldnt need to stalk and molest you!

weird cunt.

>>8388279
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

>>8388839
Nobody likes you, Cee, you’re an insufferable cunt.

Wipeout will always be the superiour AG racer for chads.

Cope and dilate forever, F-queeros.

>>8388881
>8388881
>transslation

I DONT LIKE YOU YOU TRIGGER ME YOU DISTURB MUH HIVE OF GAMUR FWENDS

suck it up buttercup and lmao thinking needing to be liked by shut in soi queers who have gaming posters in their 30s and anime girlfriends is somehow desirable.

Even worse that im better at all these games than you and still think its just a joke and a LAUGH.

go seethe stalk and dilate somewhere else.

>>8389046
Shut the fuck up you annoying blabbermouth. You white nigger.

>>8389172
Look at you....

emotional.

>>8387139
>That said I can't even really tell that much of a noticeable difference.

because you're a beginner, get within even 20 seconds of any of my times and il hear you out.

>>8386075
I now know why you love Wipeout so much, it’s because of your obsession with dildos.

>>8389708
https://youtu.be/KBWuDhIv9B0

>wipeout shaped vehicles
>track transitions from riding around a tube f-zero style to riding inside of a tube
>main vehicle was red
>original xbox

Any ideas guys? Only played a demo a long time ago but been looking for years. The maps was red and industrial looking, like the other world from Silent Hill kinda.

>>8389981
the only games that come to mind are XGRA and maybe Quantum Redshift.

>>8389981
quantum redshift, i actually spoke to one of its programmers not long ago about its physics model and ex wipeout staff. I dont think its great though, feels more like a jetski game than a future racer

So I just spent like two hours raging at rapier class because I couldn't handle it for shit; which pissed me off because I was pretty damn good at this game a few years ago, good enough to unlock and comfortably play at Phantom at least.

Then I realised I left v-sync turned on and it was jewing my reaction times. Jesus, night and day difference.

>>8389692

Got videos of your records Anon? You talk big talk so you must be some kind of hot shot.

I compared the games back to back.

>Wipeout

Basically a tech demo, wouldn't really bother playing it today except as a curiosity.

>2097

Big improvement, ships feel weighty but satisfying, mechanics more fundamentally solid, art direction is still kinda garish though.

>3

Best art direction of the series, and quite possibly possibly of all time. The future never looked so futuristic. Rivals MGS and RRT4 for best PS1 aesthetics. Tracks are an improvement, though maybe lose something in being less challenging. Ships handle... Weirdly. They feel more like boats than aircraft.

>Special Edition

Basically 3 but with better physics. Or worse physics depending on your point of view. I happen to like it, makes you feel like these things are actually flying. It's closer to 2097; but maybe they overdid it and made things a little too bouncy. Also the inclusion of old tracks is nice.

In conclusion Special Edition is the best one.

>>8390175
Hotshot is pushing it but i have decent times and the fastest out there done with a shitty dpad, the best all use negcon for hopefully obvious reasons.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/839875198?filter=all&sort=time

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/835340701?filter=all&sort=time

go for these first

>>8390332
>Basically 3 but with better physics. Or worse physics depending on your point of view. I happen to like it, makes you feel like these things are actually flying. It's closer to 2097; but maybe they overdid it and made things a little too bouncy. Also the inclusion of old tracks is nice.
>In conclusion Special Edition is the best one.


you are dumb as fuck and need to shut your oral cunt up, its fucking slower, no weight to the craft, you can literally fly off the fucking track, the remade tracks are inferior in every regard, gareduropa doesnt have lightning, rain, any of the lighting effects of XL for example, literally nobody who isn't a retard would think S.E is the best one unless a turbo shit player who cant even tell the difference between framerates.

in conclusion you're a fucking idiot queef wizard and your 20 min beginer comparison doesn't mean dick.

>>8377376
2097 is the best in the series and one of the best racing games ever created, up there with sega's stuff. Wipeout 3 is pretty good too.

It's weird hearing all you zoomers talk about how hard it supposedly is.

>>8378713
2097 has better controls and level design, and a better soundtrack. The remade levels in later games aren't the same.

>>8390950
no it doesnt and defo not a better ost which was massive downgrade from the eternally PEAK cold storage wo1 ost, in b4 MUH LOICENSED

both are fantastic though so lets just leave it there, 64s great aswell imo

>>8390383
>Hotshot is pushing it but i have decent times and the fastest out there done with a shitty dpad, the best all use negcon for hopefully obvious reasons.
There was a player called AlbinoAce who went faster with dpad (and Piranha):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e17dXLhgJ8E
It's questionable whether he was actually legit though, since he'd been caught entering made up times on records tables before and had a seriously bad attitude.

>>8391732
well it looks pretty legit, actual best time is around the same as him but using assegai, the reason hes manage that with piranha is routing in the shield/boost refil lane which i do not, if i learnt to do that with current strats and added boost to the stretch i could knock a few seconds off but using dpad i found that bit far to fucking annoying. the tunnels bad enough but then hard left turn and right into lane and then leftright before left again, pretty demanding on dpad. what version is he playing here? i assume ntsc-u by the time.

>>8391802
Yeah, he was on NTSC-U. I think he only played that version of Wipeout 3 and Pulse.
Best NeGcon time I'm aware of was Al Sartwell's 1:50.60. Him and a French player called Asayyeah were just give-up-tier good on the PS1 games. I couldn't even get within a couple of seconds of their lap times on any of the tracks I tried, never mind race times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6zwLy7ODXE

To be honest, I find the boost system in Wipeout 3 to be a pain in the ass in general, having to work out whether to use it all on a straight or little spurts here and there, and diving into the pits every lap (very awkward on some tracks as you said). I much prefer the simpler one turbo per lap system from other games. Not that I have ANY room to complain about awkward gimmicky speed boosts, being mainly a Pulse player.

>>8377376
Git good fat amerimutt

>>8391526
half of the wo3 soundtrack is original and i prefer the prog techno vibes but it's down to personal taste.
i read an interview with tim wright, he mentioned that he wasn't into dance music at the time so he went down to a few clubs and the wo1 soundtrack is his impression of those nights.

>>8392029
finally nice to have someone who knows his stuff, yep those 2 guys are the kings of the games as ive stated here before actually, the general rule for the boost system is exploiting the glitch thing wheer using it on any pad or track that has a drop or gap after it makes you go super fast and then just routing it wheer applicable which if you add the lane in obviously makes it more so. It adds a tehcnical layer to it i find very rewarding. Maybe i'll get back into it now that some others seem to be, i always wanted a negcon and have the discs which i play on ps2 but im pal so itll have to be 50hz pal or s.e unless i go emu or figure out how to play imports etc

>>8392085
absolutely tue, dunno if youre uk based like me but dance music here in the early 90s was insane wioth clubi cultures booming around 94 after the criminal justice bill put an end to the massive outdoor race scene that was happening at the time which moved punters into the clubs, so he went to a club and just based on that made music he wasnt into which is incredible given how sublime that ost is. The time he did it aswell the sounds were fracturing, hardcore had split into jungle and happyhardcore, uk garage was emerging, the uk house sound was booming taken from its chicago influences and doing its own things, lots of sub genres and shit, it was a happening time.

>>8377376
I would have punched him in the face

>>8392290
>clubi cultures booming around 94 after the criminal justice bill put an end to the massive outdoor race scene
Interestingly The Designers Republic, who did all the WipeOut art design also did a shit load of art for Autechre, who released the Anti EP in protest at the bill.

>Anti EP was a protest against the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994, which would prohibit raves (described as gatherings where music is played), with "music" being defined as a "succession of repetitive beats."Sean Booth explained the band's strategy for the song "Flutter" by saying, "We made as many different bars as we could on the drum machine, then strung them all together."

>"Flutter" was programmed to have non-repetitive beats and therefore "can be played at both forty five and thirty three revolutions under the proposed law"; but following their disclaimer, it was advised that DJs "have a lawyer and a musicologist present at all times to confirm the non repetitive nature of the music in the event of police harassment."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdOPoeKR820

>>8392471
Fuck me that's good

>>8392471
>also did a shit load of art for Autechre, who released the Anti EP in protest at the bill.
yeah i was aware of that and i used to be a massive autechre fanboy, more into mark fell and SND these days though. Go check out an album called atavism.


https://youtu.be/ddq7PzDSqHY
>>8392843
>Fuck me that's good
here's some lesser known peak autechre, one of my favs

https://youtu.be/D4MBrpiGtD0

>>8392471
>>8392843
https://youtu.be/Vam4or3R6Wk
wrap your midns around some sensate focus aswell, another mark fell alias.

>>8390950
This

>>8391526
wrong

>>8378559
Aw shit, he got out again.
Okay, lads, i'll lure him in and you close the cage, ready?

>>8393312
look above, good conversation with a couple lads who know they're shit, what does that tell you? you and your ilk are the problem

>>8390383

>concentrated ree

Damn son. I've been on 4chan for a lot of years and you're one of the most colossal gayboy faggots I've ever witnessed.

I played every game to the point of getting gold on all Rapier tracks at a minimum, and frankly I don't give a fuck if you consider that adequate or not, because you're clearly a giant waste of your father's spunk. Despite having a lot of childhood nostalgia for 2097, I have judged SE to be the best one, and you're just going to have to deal with it.

None of the words you type will do anything but bring me amusement, sorry em eighty

>>8378643
Kill yourself faggot

>>8382176
Boost item > literal shit > Boost function that costs shields.
This is fact, nigger.

>>8392290

Just get a modchipped PS1 and burn the NTSC ISO.

If I remember right, back in the day you also needed a proper RGB scart/component cable, or else the display comes out in black and white, but it's still going to be your easiest and cheapest way of doing it.

You're still a huge fag

>>8393508
The shield boost is a fun mechanic that rewards you for being ballsy and depleting your shields for extra speed.
The item is a free rng bonus that you get and use at the next possible occasion without much thought, since it has no disadvantage to it.
Having it as an item is a tried-and-tested idea that works, the shield one instead actually adds depth.

>>8393563
Shield boost offers a quicker death with all the bullshit the AI pulls with reflectors, that's what. Nothing more. At least in every other game the boost item is a reward when used correctly, and there's a reason why it prevailed over the boost mechanic.

Question for the knowledgable players here.

Are the ship's stats that you see in the menu directly tied to the performance of the ship in game? Or is it just an abstract value given as a description of the ship's physics/handling etc?

For example, Auricom, AG, and Icarus all have a handling stat of 3 but they feel different to me, and I'm not sure if I'm imagining it, and I also have to wonder why you wouldn't just automatically pick the one with better stats.

If that was the case, surely that means at "pro" level that would mean Icarus and Assegai are the only relevant ships, all the others are redundant. Am I right?

>>8393586
I can agree with that, the execution is not great. WO3 has a ton of weird items in general.

>>8393059
>here's some lesser known peak autechre, one of my favs

>>8394569
Could be imagining it but as someone who uses auricom a lot I think it slides a bit more. So to answer your question it's a bit of both, the ships have their own little quirks but the stats don't exactly lie.
Assegai and Icarus are ideal for time trials though yes (though AG sys is superb too), which is true of the later games to some extent outside of Triakis being bugged in pure. Even in pulse it's E.GX and assegai that dominate, that being said there are people who compete well by just using what they like the most.

>>8395009

Yeah, I feel like it's more complex under the surface than the stats let on.

Assegai is a straight upgrade over Piranha, it has all the speed but better handling. Probably the "best" ship from an objective perspective, IMO. AG Systems feels more agile than Auricom, while Icaras definitely feels like it handles more sluggishly than either, it's more on par with Qirex. AG Systems is my favourite all round, I think.

Apparently they changed the stats between 3 and SE, so maybe they are just misleading.

Piranha still best looking though.

>>8394569
>Are the ship's stats that you see in the menu directly tied to the performance of the ship in game?
Yes, but there are more hidden stats than normal ones. How much the ship drifts due to weight, now much it swings out the back when turning, how quickly it pitches, speed loss and conservation, how hard the antigrav repulsors "push" you away from the ground, etc.
Icaras is the fastest but also accelerates on a dime and doesn't handle as well as, say Auricom with its more manageable acceleration. Piranha is also at the same tier as Icaras but its slower acceleration makes it easier to manage your acceleration in chicanes and such. AG-S is an all-rounder and Assegai has similar shield problems to Icaras.

>>8395130
I dunno man, Pirhana might be a fan favourite but I just can't get over how sexy Feisar ships are (even as an auricom main) Feisar is peak future racing aesthetic.

>>8395160

I really like how the look of the Feisar ship barely changed at all over the first three games, while the others all went through pretty significant changes.

Like it implies that their core tech and design principle has hardly changed at all across the years, and that's probably why their ship is such a slow ass piece of shit.

It's like Ferarri putting one of those old 1960s bathtub cars in a modern F1 race.

>>8395150

>Yes, but there are more hidden stats than normal ones

Ahh that makes a lot of sense. Anywhere to find info on those?

>>8395214
Even their fusion craft keeps to the style despite that games problem with art style and ship design (I don't hate it, it's the definition of the worst game in a series composed entirely of good games, and fusion's zone mode filters me because of the odd physics)
I find it funny how the team with no fixed base of operations had the most consistent style and function of any team. Chad Feisar.

>>8395214
>It's like Ferrari putting one of those old 1960s bathtub cars in a modern F1 race.
They took a while to abandon tubular chassis designs to be fair.
>>8395160
>>8395130
The proportions on the Feisar, with the long nose are reminiscent of either early GP cars or sports cars like Jag E-Types and 250 GTOs.
The pirhana has more "weight" up front, and looks more reminiscent of a mid engine sports car, with the cockpit sitting in the middle.
>>8395232
They're also a research institution. Having consistent ship designs probably helps gathering consistent data.

>>8377376
>>8378679
That graphic style has soviet vibes

Something about the 2097 loading menu with the moving telemetry things and the unique layout just hits so right.
If it had a track layout overview in the corner or something it'd easily be my no1 loading screen of any game. 2097's menus in general kick ass.

>>8393321
Think it says more about you than anything else. Unless Anons think exactly you, you sperg out and have complete bile filled meltdowns. You need to learn to not be so intolerant of differing opinions, you shit up every single thread you participate in when you spaz out like that.

If you're old enough to remember Major's '94 bill, then it says a lot that at times you behave like someone not even a sixth of your age.

Aesthetically speaking, we could make Assegai look kino as fuck by simply moving that retarded side cockpit. What were they thinking here, it ruins an otherwise great ship.

Also I had a thought. Would it be possible for me make a home made Definitive Edition by taking an ISO of SE, dropping in the soundtrack files from the first two games, and adding them to the cue sheet? Would emulators still read it like a "normal" disc even if it had 3 discs worth of music files?

>>8395340
they did that for pure onwards
I personally like it, I like that the weird newcomers have an odd ship, that being said I think itd look better if it had a counterbalance on the opposite side of the cockpit, it looks aerodynamically unstable.

>>8395330
stick to the facts, the evidence is clear, when good lads who know what they're on about and dont spread misinfo and dumb fuck pleb opinions theres no problem and everyone gets on like a house on fire AS you just witnessed.

tthe real problem is much closer to home mate, fucking manchild yanks.>>8395340
>>8395340
worth trying but for definite it can't be shitty S.E, it'd need to be ntsc-j at least.

>>8394945
>>8393586
this is just drivel from beginners though, how hard is it to take 2 mins routing in the pit lane? or routing in NOT spamming your boost? learn to think and strategize.

>>8393508
nothing to say to poor players desu

>>8393523
i have ps2 and component and it does display S.E/3 but it looks pretty wanky on hdtv, not sure i want to fork out on upscalers or crts for ps1/2 either espeically now every retard sells crts for 80+ labelling it "retro"

i guess i could geta negcon and just rinse S.E anyway, its still a great game and i also have battle gear 2 anyway which is another top tier arcade racer.

>>8395340
You can switch the tracks around, no idea if you can actually add them though.
>>8395390
I enjoy using all the boost and going through laps while risking exploding though.

>>8393486
its not it's fucking appauling and someone with the i.q of a carrot could do better, even getting all gold in phantom is a piece of piss, the challenge in time trialling is like 100x harder, your feelings and amateur assessments based on content over performance experienced at a beginner players level serve no interest to me in the least.

>>8395401
>I enjoy using all the boost and going through laps while risking exploding though.
the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

>>8395406
That's just racing in general.

>>8395221
I don't think it's documented, but then again WipEout in practice more demanding of raw instinct than of technicality.

>>8395404
>your feelings and amateur assessments based on content over performance experienced at a beginner players level serve no interest to me in the least.
They quite clearly do. You would ignore them otherwise.

>>8395214
>Like it implies that their core tech and design principle has hardly changed at all across the years
It's because FEISAR is a consortium of multiple European countries, and they bicker so much amongs themselves that they had to reach an agreement where FEISAR's HQ is moved around from country to country across Europe every year as to appease all its shareholder nations. This in turn made it difficult for the team's engineers and technicians to make any significant progress as the years went on, due to different staff members having conflicting ideas on the ship's design and systems, and so it ends up being a mid-pack runner that has survived the test of time with barely any change.
You have no idea how much fucking lore WipEout has built over the years.

>>8395398
It's been years since I've thought about this but I remember having a lot of problems with the games on PS2 with component. I think what I ended up doing was using GSM to force the resolution to 480p or 576p or something like that and it ended up looking great. You'd have to put your PS2 on with the disc tray open and set the resolution manually each time but I didn't find it that big of a deal.

>>8395424
rebuttal is not correlated with emotional status or determinable motivation,

>>8395413
the fuck?

no it isnt. racing in general is pure refinement in all regards until the most optimal formulae is found.

>>8395435
educate me on what GSM is? i recall ps1 games not displaying but they seem to now on this tv so maybe its tv dependent but it defo looks poo, ps2 native games on component i get no issues with and they look a lot better, on match for xboxs 480 p but its still playable.

>>8395426
HellfireWZ did an amazing summery of the games lore and changes over the series.
>last video is a fucking fall guys stream.
Rip good wipeout content.

>>8395450
>rebuttal is not correlated with emotional status or determinable motivation,
Why respond to it then? You clearly get off on getting (You)s, that's fucking obvious.

>>8395450
>racing in general is pure refinement in all regards until the most optimal formulae is found.
And couldn't you say that doing that on track involves ton of repetition until you can string a fast lap together?

>>8395385
>stick to the facts, the evidence is clear, when good lads who know what they're on about and dont spread misinfo and dumb fuck pleb opinions theres no problem and everyone gets on like a house on fire AS you just witnessed.
Oh come off it with blaming everyone else for your autistic meltdowns yet again and never taking any responsibilty for your shit.

As for "evidence and facts", your first post in the thread (>>8378559) was your typical multiple personality vomit. The ONLY time you can even behave normally on here is when people share identical thoughts and opinions to yours.

>tthe real problem is much closer to home mate
Yeah, your home to be exact. It's not "Yanks", it's you.

You clearly know how to behave when you want to, yet you act like a petulant child at other times. It's completely confusing.

>>8395468
you really don't understand the process of refinement do you? it isn't a mindless luck process it's a logical implementation of speed, lines, brake use, etcetc to discover the fastest way around the track.

>>8395457
Because it's a rebuttal? and a forum for discussion? why do YOU respond ? this is rhetorical i don't need to know the answer.

>>8395469
I'm responsible for me, you are responsible for you, you being emotional right now is your responsibility, just ignore me if my schtick is such an issue for you but don't keep doing this so the actual game discussion gets fractured again, it's actually nice to have some proper wipeout lads in here for once especially ones with knowledge in music culture aswell, you gotta understand wipeout was really closely tied to UK music culture at the time and im not sure that transcends the pond.

>>8395479
>calls others emotional
>is having another multiple personality meltdown
You're a hoot.

>>8395479
>you gotta understand wipeout was really closely tied to UK music culture at the time and im not sure that transcends the pond.
That has absolutely nothing to do with your reactions on here any time someone has an opinion of the Wipeout series you don't like. You constantly go into a seething rage, as if they're personal attacks on yourself. It's only video games, it's not a matter of life and death for fuck's sake.

What's the best way to tackle the p-mar tunnel, I know it's possible to take without slowing down, I've seen it in replays. But I can't for the life of me find a good angle, either I cut through it but cant turn in time and hit the outside of the 90 at the exit or I hit one of the inside curves of the tunnel and just have to live with it.
I can perfect lap the other tracks but p-mar filters me. (Opposite breaking might be the answer but im shit at that too.)

>>8395503
>>8395489
like i said its schtick, don't take it so seriously.

>>8395479
It's not an either-or scenario. You need to think logically about how to improve a lap, but you can't know what needs improving until you go on track and actually do a few laps, and then a few more to gain consistency.

>>8395550
yes? that impermanence completely rebuts the original idea that you just mindlessly repeat the same thing over and over.

>>8395540
>its schtick, don't take it so seriously.
lol, you can't claim that, you act like this constantly
even if this is a gimmick, you are one amazingly sad bastard for pushing it for so long

>>8378730
Its true, i had to order my ps2 off the black market. Traded 3 barrels of codfish for it, as is the local currency.

>>8395575
it takes a high level of arrogance and self importance to project your preference as an absolute, you're clearly flustered and if it's constant why do you still act surprised by it?
accept it and problem solved.

>>8395653
>it takes a high level of arrogance and self importance to project your preference as an absolute
Which you do, all the time.

>accept it and problem solved.
Maybe you should take your own advice and accept others' opinions.

Unlike you, not everyone obsessively adores Wipeout. Similarly, not everyone vehemently despises F-Zero.

>>8395450
GSM is a kind of display mode selector software for PS2. Basically you run it before you run the game and it forces a specific resolution or display mode. If you google "PS2 GSM" you'll find download links and stuff that explain the details. You'd need FMCB to run it of course.

I'm not 100% sure on the reason it's needed. I think it's something like the PS1 supporting all kinds of weird resolutions and when you use component on a PS2 it pipes them straight to the display by default. CRTs could probably handle that because they deal in dots and lines whereas digital displays would be a lot less tolerant when given something like 714x362.

With GSM you can say "output a 480p signal no matter what" and it'll do it. There can be minor hiccups if you don't get the settings/region right but it's kinda hard to get wrong more than once. GSM is what people would use to get 1080i in Gran Turismo 3.

>>8395815
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-oOn5adkzg

very interesting, thanks

>>8395009
None of the ships in Pulse are really dominant. You can use any of them to set world records, aside from a few extremes like Piranha on Outpost 7, Feisar on Moa Therma, etc. Top players weren't at the top because they used EG-X, EG-X was at the top because top players were using it. I think by the time the servers went down it was just me and INFAXSU still setting records with it though.
I don't remember Assegai ever dominating. AlbinoAce and TropicMoon might have had a few records with it at one point.

Maybe a controversial take, but I think this (these) game(s) play best on Venom class.

They're all about speed, sure. But the physics start to noticeably fall apart Rapier. Venom is the goldilocks zone, where it has some speed, but you don't teleport through walls for crashing into them at such high speeds.

Phantom is meme tier difficulty like Nightmare in Doom. Fun and challenging yes, but it wasn't intended as the primary way to play, otherwise it would be unlocked from the start.

>>8395991
>Maybe a controversial take, but I think Gran Turismo 2 play best with a Mini Cooper.

>>8396006
>he doesn't love driving tahiti maze with the monte carlo mini

>>8387139

>lol, just emulate and force 60hz, faggot.

Be aware that doing this makes the game faster, by a considerable margin.

Unlike in the 16 bit era, most PS1 3D games actually ran at the same speed regardless of PAL/NTSC, because they weren't reliant on frames of sprite animation. If you play a PAL Wipeout game and force it to 60hz, what you get is in effect bumping every speed class up a tier. Venom feels like Rapier, Rapier feels like Phantom, Phantom feels like you're on godamn bath salts.

I suppose if you're a tryhard it's a fun thing to do for a challenge, sadly though it means you can't just use emulation to get a smoother framerate. Fuck me though I would gladly suck any man's penis for a 60FPS hack to the PS1 Wipeout games though.

Can you even imagine.

>>8395991
i can't even tell if its trolling anymore, ether way this is the dumbest shit ive ever read and the biggest cope post of maybe all time.

>>8395524
dont be usin your drifts

>>8395524

First of all disable texture filtering, pig disgusting.

I can do it on rapier pretty reliably. When I do it successfully it's a lot like the slalem section in Stanza. You nudge left/right very slightly and let the repulsion effect bounce you away from the walls, while clenching your asshole and inhaling sharply through your teeth to make that "HHHFFFFFFF" sound.

I main AG Sys in higher speed classes tho so your mileage may vary with Auricom.

>>8397426
Thankyou AG man.
>Texture filtering
I'll be honest my game profiles are fucked after I spent a while trying to get ridge racer to not look like shit, the resolution is fucked too. Yes im retarded.

>>8396169
>Be aware that doing this makes the game faster, by a considerable margin.
Not only that, I'm convinced that it messes up with the physics somewhat. Once I tried doing that with SE, Phantom was simply unplayable, but even Rapier which should be comparable to 50hz Phantom was hard as balls, the ships reacted way too weird, late turnings and so on. It's simply better to get used to the 25fps if you're gonna play SE.

>>8397665

Yeah, the ships are twitchy as all fuck because if you think about it, it's like you're holding the button/stick down 20% longer than you think you are in real time, so you constantly oversteer.

My dumb ass did all of Vector, Venom and half way through Rapier like this before I realised maybe that's not how the game was meant to feel. I only noticed I'd left the option turned on when I compared it to my hard copy on PS2, lmao.

(I stick to emulation because my TV upscales horribly with real hardware, but emulation looks reaaaaal nice with higher internal res etc. Wish I had a CRT tho.)

bump or we'll never get another good wipeout thread in a year

>>8378559
Based.

I bet you casuals don't even race in cockpit view.

>>8399739
Nice emulation error fag

>>8399739
I've discovered that for wipeout 1 the cockpit view makes it far more playable. The issue with the original is that there are too many hills where you don't have time to anticipate whats coming and going first person gives you a bit more time to judge what to do

>>8399739
SREEEEEE....TOOOOOOO....WAAAANNNNN....GO!

>>8399739
I do, just like >>8400287, it helps me take turns at the right angle, in 3rd person view I tend to concentrate too much in the ship's tail. Once I got used to it, I can't go back to 3rd person again.

2097 is pinnacle old wipeout no question but 3 did do some very interesting things (especially in track design) that can be felt even in 2048.

BallisticNG is the wipeout 4 we never got and /v/ plays it regularly.

>>8378561
>FAPPER
In front of everyone?

>>8378679
>calls it peak trilogy kino
>it's the 2097th game in the series
Anon, I...