/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8337604
>Is there a ghetto alternative for this?
Taking some old boomers CRT

There is a DIY kit that's better than the Siden.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=161189.0

>>8337608
>>8337604
This + a PS2 softmod and a Yobo lightgun, or there are wiimote-to-mouse programs, but I always found them a little shitty to use in practice. DirectInput and RawInput issues and such. That and you can see the cursor, can't sight-aim. Barely better than mouse aiming.
Those are your options.

>>8337614
That's very cool, sounds better than Sinden when you get it all put together but HOLY SHIT what a pain in the ass, hahaha.

What about a Wii Remote with a lightgun shell?

>>8337614
>wall of text
Where the fuck are the instructions?

>>8337604
>Is there a ghetto alternative for this?
yes, it's called a mouse

>>8337682
https://www.julianloehr.de/educational-work/hid-wiimote/ this IR-mouse program works but it's a bit fiddly. No sight aiming, though, but if you just want the general feel of a lightgun this is a ghetto way to do it.

>>8337689
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1U5cfsR68pBVBepW_PadQKwVur_W6mDWn
Ennnjoy.

I always wondered if just placing a sheet of glass in front of your TV would be a workaround for this problem. Someone who understands the technology tell me why I'm an idiot please.

>>8337604
Sinden is trash

>>8337816
Because second generation light guns used a trick involving the way CRT TVs refreshed to triangulate where you were aiming when you pulled the trigger. The glass doesn't matter.

For what it's worth, arcades abandoned this method very early on in favor of IR-style light guns, like the Wii, Sinden, or Gun4IR-style light guns, because they work a lot better anyway.

>>8337816
why would glass to anything?
it has to do with the emissive light going into the gun to triangulate the location and the analog nature of CRT's allow it to refresh quick enough to effectively respond

>>8337604
My dude, just pick up a CRT monitor, they're still free if you know where to look. As a bonus, you won't have pillar bars, and you'll notice a better response time due to the lower latency. If you ever get tired of having it in your room, you can always flip it back on the market for profit.

>>8337849
pillarboxes*

>playing with a plastic gun
All video games are for children, but light gun games are ESPECIALLY for children. Put the plastic pew pew down nigger.

>>8337849
Lightguns don't work with PC monitors, you need a TV.

>>8337884
they do, you just specifically need a VGA one

>>8337884
I'm dumb, I thought light guns they were universally compatible with CRTs whether the TV was 15KHz or the monitor 31KHz. Then yeah, if OP has a way to send your PC signal to a CRT TV, that should theoretically work.

>>8337849
>>8337884
there are some lightguns that work with vga monitors (the ones made for dreamcast for example) but ymmv and honestly I have no idea how you would you even get them to work on a pc with emulators

I miss arcade lightgun shooters so much... hold me, bros...

>you have to pull the trigger every time you fire the gun

>>8338148
Always saw this as a huge flaw for arcade games. You want people to keep dumping cash into the machine but without auto fire most people are going to get tired after a couple continues in games where you're shooting nonstop.

>>8338131
just get a PS2 mate, plenty of arcade shooters

>>8338149
I'm curious if you could ever bump fire with any of the guns that have recoil.

get a crt
lightgun games are literally the ONLY reason why you would ever want to play on a crt in the first place

light guns aside, you're telling me with all the advances in waggletech nobody's made a modern gun peripheral? the inside-out tracking on my vr headset is rock fucking solid, would easily be as good as or better than old light guns

>>8338328
there are several modern guns but since this is a relatively niche thing they're either garbage, expensive, require a lot of DIY or a combination of the three
for most use cases its just easier and/or cheaper to get a crt
>the inside-out tracking on my vr headset is rock fucking solid, would easily be as good as or better than old light guns
don't think this is what you're looking for but someone made a vr game room thing that allows to simulate light guns and it works surprisingly well (setup is clunky as fuck though)

>>8338369
nah, I know about vr emu it gets pretty tedious after like 10 minutes, maybe better vr setups would give you a better experience

and even if you say niche, I mean, nobody's going to make pc light gun games if there aren't any pc light guns...

>>8338376
You could use a Wii remote and set it up to work like a mouse

>>8338274
i cant get any lightgun to work on any emulator in my crt.
can you explain how to solve that problem?

>>8338389
some lightgun games are literally scanline dependent, a crt monitor isn't going to match the timings of a crt television, possible the emulator might do some magic shit on its end to compensate in which case I'd recommend checking if your emulator specifically says it supports lightguns

>>8338389
What light gun are you using that works on an emulator?
Most of these are reliant on some sync cable

How did games that tracked your crosshair onscreen at all times work? I think those games were all guns mounted to the arcade unit so some kind of mechanical tracking?

>>8338376
I just delete everything except one tv and the thing I want to play to make it less tedious, also what's kind of vr setup are you using?
and by niche I mean that not a lot of people really care about light gun games anymore
>>8338381
works reasonably well but it doesn't feel the same in my opinion
>>8338417
depends on the game but to my understanding its basically just a gun glued to a giant joystick

>>8338448
was pretty good when it first released despite being a MR headset, display is still pretty high end but I think the middleware it has to go through to play steamvr games kind of kills the performance

>>8337604
If you live on a third world country you can get a crt, come the fuck on, just get a HDMI to s video adapter or something

>>8338448
I dunno, this one looks cool

>>8338381
The Wiimote is horribly inaccurate and even native light gun games don't feel great, certainly wouldn't recommend using one with emulators on PC.

OP, get a 27"+ CRT, a PS1 and a PS2 and both GunCon models. That's like 95% of console light gun games right there. Outside of that, Dreamcast has two games that are also worth playing if you want to invest the money and Xbox has HOTD3 + the only home port of Silent Scope with gun support.

>>8337604
Your cheapest option would be a wiimote or PS move controller

>>8337614
>still needing leds
>better
the whole point of siden is that you don't have to plug more shit.

>>8338586
>I dunno, this one looks cool

I always thought the N-Strike by NERF was kinda cool. It can be used as a Nerf gun or a Wii-Remote shell.

>>8338612
>Wiimote is horribly inaccurate
Is this true?

>>8341028
it's a cheap IR solution, it sucks. You can still manage to play games but the Wii remote is less accurate than a knock off guncon

>>8337604
If you live in a 3rd world shithole you can probably just steal a CRT off the shelf in some ghetto version of a department store.

>>8337689
are you mentally handicapped anon?

>>8341028
The Wiimote itself isn't the problem. It's the fact that the Wii sensor bar only has one point of data to calculate the position with. It works fine with multiple sensor bars. (hell, a lot of people just take the IR camera out to build a Gun4IR with)

>>8337604
Do you have a vr headset? Emuvr is pretty nice with my quest 2.

>>8338417
Those are kinda interesting! They were basically a prop gun attached to a flighttick that actually moved the cursor on the screen. Soem did not display a cursor and you had to aim.
The neat thing is that the actual screen you seldom saw because it was deep down in the guts of the machine and was reflected on a mirror which you actually shot at.
The monitor is like three feet down, facing upward into the mirror. The reason they do this is so you are shooting at targets a good distance away without having to build a huge cabinet that sticks out four feet. It's an illusion!

>>8341487
>It's the fact that the Wii sensor bar only has one point of data to calculate the position with
Not a fact and the fact that you would even say it is shows you're literally retarded

>>8341417
>it's a cheap IR solution, it sucks. You can still manage to play games but the Wii remote is less accurate than a knock off guncon

What about the Wii Remote Plus?

>>8341870

One machine I remember playing as a kid, was Laser Ghost. This game had an interesting set-up.

>>8337604
>Is there a ghetto alternative for this?

Yeah; I have an Aimtrak. Works on PC and PS2.

But it's basically a Wiimote inside a nicer package

>>8337604

>>8337604
Shooting a real gun at people

>>8342094
they're better but there's some third party controllers that are more accurate, here's a good summary of how to get the best experience for Wii light gun games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD7Zuv0oZzg

>>8342097
Is that one like this one?

>>8337863
Suck my dick they’re fun

>>8338131
My arcade still has plenty. Modern ones are mostly shit though

>>8344480
Laser Ghost 8-Bit is a weird escort mission/lightgun game, nothing at all like the arcade game

Arcade is just a standard lightgun shooter, with little screens on each gun that simulate shooting a actual laser, it's a pretty neat effect

>>8341487
It definitely uses two, calibrate the thing sometime

>>8344524
I love the console version for what its worth.

>>8344524
>Arcade is just a standard lightgun shooter, with little screens on each gun that simulate shooting a actual laser, it's a pretty neat effect

The arcade game is a side scrolling light gun game. It has some fake 3D sections, that try to simulate scrolling with animation. It makes me wonder if the game was meant to be Ghostbusters themed arcade game? Sega did have the Ghostbusters license for their home consoles. Laser Ghost was a generic Sega knockoff.