/vr/ - Retro Games

>NEC
Better be projecting some TurboGrafx.

Id say its worth playing on a rear projection TV. Because it's how all my games looked as a kid and so it's the best possible way a game could ever look. Dont know shit about projectors though. Thanks for reading my blog. I hope somebody answers your question.

>>8320580
Enjoy your 54 years input lag

>>8320598
??do you know how fast light is?

>>8320580
Yes. I play on a short throw NEC. My input lag is between 20-30ms depending on the settings. I have almost everything worth collecting (Famicom, Mega Drive, Super Famicom, PS2, Wii, PS3, Wii U, PS4 etc.).
Anything specific you wanna know anon?

>>8320738
not him, but a decent LED/analog input entry level system?

what do you use?

>>8320795
I'm running a NEC UM361X.
Mainly because it was like 100$ but also because there are very few 4:3 LCD projectors. I dislike DLP a lot. I dislike laser/LED projectors too.
But I have to say Hitachi>>>NEC. I still miss my old Hitachi ED-A101 that thing had about 10-15ms of input lag and was funky as hell. But getting a decent Hitachi these days is almost impossible.

If I wasn't constrained by UST I would go for a Hitachi CP-SX635 because 1400x1050 is based resolution. Or Sony VPL-FE40 if you are a fan. Which I'm not.

My setup consists of a level 5 wall coated with special paint which gives me about 120" picture and I sit about 20 feet away. Everything is plugged in through cheap AliExpress switchboxes. Digital audio capable systems goes through a SMSL DAC because my vintage JVC amp has only analog inputs.
The photos are from a year ago but you get the idea.

>>8320596
>Thanks for reading my blog.
THIS is a blog.

>>8320738
>>8320851
>projecting

>>8320853

If you get an HD projector, wouldn't the input lag be equivalent to a current-day flat panel TV?

>>8320870
>all TVs have the same input lag
or
>input lag is resolution dependent
anyway kek

>>8320610
I’m not sure you understand what input lag is

>>8320879
well theoretically he is right. Projector will always have a higher input lag that TV. The light has to travel all the way to the screen and reflect back.
So you are the one who doesn't understand science. :^)

>>8320580
>I know crt is best
>doesn't know crt projectors exist
Pretty sure you don't know anything, just parrot

>>8320884
>alignment hell
yikes

>>8320882
The input lag isn’t from the light mate, otherwise it wouldn’t exist

>>8320906
input lag is the delay between you pressing a button and seeing something change
funnily enough if you sit 3m away that gives 10ns of lag or 0.000010006923ms if the projector is above your head that doubles the lag making it a whopping 20ns!
so yes it does impact input lag
better play on CRT with you face pressed against it!

>>8320916
The noticeable input lag come from factors unrelated to the light

>>8320934
>noticeable
cherry picking

>>8320851
That’s a fucking sick setup

>>8320938
thank you
it will be even sicker once its actually completely done

>>8320935
When people talk about input lag, do you honestly think they refer to the imperceptible factors of light?

>>8320972
I hope they do. We like to be precise here on /vr/.

>>8320938
ya come back to /bst/

>>8320976
KEK

>>8320916
>input lag is the delay between you pressing a button and seeing something change
Not it's not. Refusing to press a button and burying your head in the sand so you can't see doesn't magically make input lag disappear.

>>8321064
you are mixing lag and input lag
see the "input" in "input lag"

>>8320870
No, it's much worse.

>>8320738
How's the colour?

>>8320884
Post a CRT projector, Never seen one

>>8321160
very nice
>>8321164
here

>>8321067
You're mixing up "input lag" and " the delay between you pressing a button and seeing something change"

>>8321174
That electrical signal being a button press for example.

>>8321165
Do you have any pictures of the projection from this? Like do you get scanlines on the screen you're projecting to? Do you see the projections of the phosphors?

>>8321212
Sure thing.

>>8321234
impressive, very nice. I imagine you have to completely recalibrate the alignment of the guns if you ever move the thing, right? Also where on earth did you even find that.

>>8321236
>I imagine you have to completely recalibrate the alignment of the guns if you ever move the thing, right?
yes
>Also where on earth did you even find that.
Google images. I've searched for "crt projector gaming" and it was the 8th picture.

>>8320580
Been willing to get one for racing sims and watching movies.
For retro gaming, forget about it. The average projector rig can add you up to 100-200ms input lag, so anything that was originally played at 0ms on a crt will be downright unplayable.
There ARE gaming projectors with reduced input lag but they cost trillions, to the point where you're better off getting an 80" tv anyway (way better image)

>>8321248
>For retro gaming, forget about it.
lol
>The average projector rig can add you up to 100-200ms input lag.
wrong
>There ARE gaming projectors with reduced input lag but they cost trillions
wrong

>>8321184
No confirmed not "the delay between you pressing a button and seeing something change". Thanks for confirming and providing a source.

>>8321263
if static image
how measure lag?

>>8321248
>The average projector rig can add you up to 100-200ms input lag, so anything that was originally played at 0ms on a crt will be downright unplayable.
You are thinking of the DLP early HD era that is like that. It is all the post processing and scaling shit that makes them terrible. It's why late PS2 and early PS3 games sometimes had built in lag calibration (notably rythym games). When hooked to a PC the mouse was floaty and imprecise from the lag.

CRT or decent presentation projectors don't have these issues. You get the ~15ms that comes from being a 60hz display and that is a non issue.

I feel like projectors are just a novelty setup as opposed to a practical one. You can get a 55''+ modern TV that will be large like a projector, have infinitely deep blacks, and rich colours. That's on top of having the same input lag as a CRT if it's in 120hz mode.

>>8321234
Soul

>>8320580
yea sure
it can be a bit too big if you dont have the room for it tho

>>8321342
>>8321342
Maybe. But I've been running projectors as my main display for almost 8 years now. And let me tell you nothing beats the fact that you don't have to have a HUGE black rectangle on your wall at all times. Plus 55" sure is possible, even bigger TVs are possible but once you start approaching that 70" mark thing begin to be expensive (mainly because shipping a 100" TV is extremely expensive). And for me. With 120" 4:3 image. There is simply no alternative. And probably never will be.

TL:DR 4 player games like Mario Party on 120" 4:3 screen are the most wonderful experience

I've seen coin operated projection units in the arcades before. They always had something like Tekken or Street Fighter in them. I didn't notice lag, but I wasn't playing professionally either.

>>8321385
>I wasn't playing professionally either
as opposed to now you are playing professionally?

>>8321450
I'm on the circuit, yes.

>>8321064
>sperging out this much over semantics
the input lag is there whether you "see" it or not retard, shut the fuck up.

Found an old footage of my orange Hitachi ED-A101 setup with the cheapest screen possible. No upscalers or anything just the cheapest aliexpress composite cables plugged straight to the projector.
https://youtu.be/jCVo2UOzUkM

to clarify don't do a setup like this
it sucks
tensioned screen or wall is 100% better

I have one of these. Not sure on the exact model, but it's pretty much this. I have the giant remote for it. I've had it hooked up. Played Arkham Asylum and watched a few movies on it when I bought it years and years ago for 400 bucks. It needs a new green tube. I should have gotten a new one for it by now, but I haven't had the room to have it hooked up for years. This thing is almost the size of a Lazy Boy Recliner and weighs at least twice as much. You're supposed to have these things mounted on the ceiling, but you'd need a crew to accomplish such a thing. It's a shame I haven't done more with it.

>>8321592
Here's a pic of the remote.

>>8321597
Disgusting

>>8321597
Perfection

>>8321592
Somebody's pic of this thing set up in a weird way. I didn't need to have it jacked up like this. I found an old steel cart that was the bottom half of one of those giant office copier machines. And use that as a stand for the projector since it has really robust wheels that lock on it.
When I bought my projector it came with an old NEC Line Doubler and a pretty big screen that attached to an aluminum frame. Pretty good deal. Just a shame the projector weighs so f'n much and needs so much f'n space. The room it's in would work great, but I don't live with my parents anymore. Still might get it set back up in there anyway and start looking for a new green tube for it. It works, but you can tell the center of the screen is a bit dark when green is heavily used.

>>8321630
how loud is it?

>>8321632
Hmm... I guess the fan did get somewhat loud, but then again it was right next to our heads. These things are meant to go up on a ceiling and I don't believe you'd hear it from up there. You could always replace the fan with something modern if you wanted to.

>>8321462
irony: the post

>>8321270
>if strawman
>how cope
See >>8321184

>>8323143
sending electrical signal = button press
this confuses the amerimutt

>>8323260
I'll leave it to you to work out how embarrassingly stupid that claim is

>>8323379
>this is your brain on RGB
>the average >>>/crt/ user everyone

>>8321174
No input = no input lag
Checkmate

>>8323471
>this is my brain on cope
>>8323550
b-b-but muh cope!

>>8321236
Why are you communicating as if you are multiple characters from American Psycho?

>>8325286
He is probably an autistic psychopath Elliot rodger

>>8321164
With some looking you can pick one up for free.
Sony made a single CRT version for those fearing alignment.