/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8315831
Game design isn't about following a shallow technical checklist of items like that. If you need a tradeoff, you design around it and make it work for your game, and they sure as fuck pulled it off.

>>8315831
fps are not that big of a deal for sprite based games

>>8315842
You don't know what you are talking about.

>>8315831
>30 fps game
i didnt even notice

>>8315864
And you don't know how little what you are talking about matters.

>>8315831
Because it was visually stunning in every other aspect.

By having more frames in their sprite animations.
You fuckin assclown.

>>8315831
fps started to be a thing people really cared about in the HD era, around 2006-2007
that means you're a zoomer lol

>>8315927
>I disagree so ur a zoomer
Don't add unnecessary words to your actual "reasoning" anon

>>8315831
>How did Metal Slug get away with being a 30 fps game
Pretty sure everything - movies, TV, games, even real life - was 30 fps back then

>>8315948
Just TV (ackhtually, 29,97 fps), though eurocucks got 25 as their standard. Movies worldwide are traditionally shot and screened at 24, which was generally agreed upon as a good balance between technical convenience and "lifelike" fluidity.

The 60fps gaming thing was always there for the most part but only truly crossed over into obsessive autism when the Internet took "discussion" of the hobby to a new level of dick-measuring nonsense.

>>8315842
FPS is a much bigger issue for "sprite based games" than polygon based games because of the scrolling playfield.

>>8315946
it's true though, no one used to care about resolution and framerate like it's constantly discussed since the coming of HD consoles. people bitched about slowdowns but that's it.

>>8315965
>Just TV (ackhtually, 29,97 fps)
You're a fucking retard.

>>8315968
Completely disagree.. TI didn't know what framerate was, but I absolutely could tell when it was low. When I played Starfox(SNES) and Turok 2, I didn't enjoy them due to reasons related to framerate (extreme unresponsiveness) whereas the first time I played F-Zero X I was blown away because 3d games on console weren't that fast.
I certainly could stomach bad farmerate if I had to though. I remember enjoying Doom on SNES, because that was the only way I could play it.

Are you talking about Metal Slug2? The fps of that game was all fucked up.

>>8315981
Yikes.

>>8315990
Not defending MS2's slowdown, but does that really apply to the topic? FPS drops are usually associated with "skipping" as the screen refreshing fails to properly display gameplay as it still progresses at its intended speed; In Metal Slug 2 both remain synced, so the result is more akin to "slow motion".

>>8315990
We're talking about framerate not slowdown retard.

>>8316035
Wasn't it caused by a bug too?

>>8316129
Neither is exactly a "bug" as such; just a lack of performance optimization in whatever engine.

>>8315831
There were more 30fps games back then than you remember

>muh fps
If the game isn't jerky on the targeted hardware then it's a stylistic choice.
Same with cinema where people for the longest time used 24fps because it made film look better than the more realistic higher frame rates and now we get 4K shit that looks terrible.

>muh fps
If the game isn't jerky on the targeted hardware then it comes down to a stylistic choice.
Same with cinema where people for the longest time used 24fps because it made film look better than the "realistic" higher rates.

>>8316174
Metal Slug is jerky on original hardware.
And you don't get to pick your poison. It is 30fps and has tons of slowdown.

>>8315965
I can't stomach 24fps for any movie or TV show. I didn't actually notice it much until I was marathoning Roseanne, I was so used to the 30fps early seasons, then got kicked in the teeth with the 24fps later seasons. 30 fps is so much nicer.

>>8315965
Peter Jackson's first Hobbit movie's theatrical release was 60fps and apparently it looked awful. Not only did the motion look too 'real' and not in the least bit cinematic, conversely it made it obvious how fake the prop weapons were.

>>8316018
Some 3D games do the whole "slow down to a crawl" thing instead of just frameskipping and if anything I'd say it's worse

>>8315831
It's fun.

>>8315839
Based. Fuck /v/ posters who think a game with 60fps magically makes it good.

>>8316239
And its still the best run n gun game ever made proving high frame rate autists have no clue.

>>8316281
Even the difference between 24 and 30-ish fps is noticeable for most people on a subconscious level; The Hobbit was actually just twice the traditional movie frame rate (48fps, it didn't go up to 60), and people hated it because our brains processed it as similar to cheap home-recorded video, since we're conditioned to associate a certain type of film artifacts such as motion blur with "proper" films. The higher frame rate it was shot at removed almost all motion blur, thoroughly weirding people out.

An interesting bit of trivia is that Pixar for example didn't set off to do CGI animated films in the 1980s until they finally figured out an efficient way of computing motion blur for their renders, since they were convinced people would reject the results without that subtle "cinematic" element.

Lots of modern TVs actually fake higher frame rates through automatic frame interpolation; I personally hate the results and tend to switch it off, but I've noticed people are getting accustomed to it. Worse yet, some networks actually broadcast pre-interpolated HFR versions of movies, removing the choice from the viewer altogether.

>>8315831
Nobody gives a fuck about fps.

>>8315839
fpbs. OP is retarded

>>8315842
completely false, it's not a big deal for animation but it's a huge deal for movement and scrolling. most games move and scroll at 60fps but animate at 20 or 30 and they look like SHIT if you go much below that. 3D games can look fine at much lower framerates because stuff doesn't really move as much in the 2D projected space, movies look fine at 24fps, etc.

>>8317057
>metal slug runs like shit at times
>graphics are still 10/10 beautiful

>>8315981
The irony is almost palpable.

>>8316164
yeah and many of them look like shit because of it, like streets of rage 1

>>8316281
It was 48fps.

CRT helps make frame rate look higher but the slowdown was noticable. It looks not bad while wonder boy 3 on sms you can notice it is a bit jerky. Maybe its because of the movement of the character like how the physics in 3d games can be 60 but the game runs at 30, eg gt2 on ps1.

>>8315967
> he doesn't know
you think all sprites are animated at 30fps? what a fucking retard. you should look at dumps of the graphics. the animations are so tiny and on loops that aren't cycled at 30fps, it's much slower than that. god damn it you people on this board are 100% brain damaged.
>>8315864
what a retard.

it's always great to see this board is still full of dunning kruger-tier rejects of society that know nothing about absolutely everything. consider killing yourselves as quickly as possible thanks.

>>8315831
because 60fps++ is soulless

>>8315831
Cause its coo

>>8319875
frames of animation =/= framerate