/vr/ - Retro Games

> horrible input lag, having to get a bunch of convertors and upscalers and bullshit to play on a modern display

Get a crt and stop being a fag. You can spare a few euros for one or two systems or are you that poor?

>>8309487
Just play on original hardware using a CRT you retarded nigger

>>8309487
>Is there really just no solution besides to just wait for another at least half a decade for the emulation and technology to improve?
will never happen because of all the voodoo magic happening in 6th gen consoles, especially PS2

>>8309487
>6th gen
>being too poor and retarded to use original hardware
Time the bump the age requirement up to 30?

>>8309487
The problem is vsync
If you can use VRR in conjunction with these emulators, microstutter will cease to be an issue

>>8309504
>>8309515
>using a CRT removes all input lag
holy shit you can't be this stupid. CRTs are only a few ms faster than modern monitors, and a high-refresh monitor with VRR used with emulation is actually even faster than a CRT because it's not constrained to 60Hz. CRT are around 7-8ms input lag due to how they draw their frames.

Regardless, unless you have some dogshit TV and refuse to enable game mode, the lag from your display accounts for very little of the total input lag.

>>8309526
I'm not using V-Sync on anything. I have a 240Hz VRR monitor. The issue is the games and emulation itself.

Maybe a Wii U is the answer..

>>8309534
I can safely say it’s not
There are issues with emulation but micro stutter shouldn’t be one
Are you using vulkan?

>>8309541
It's not emulation, it's certain games on Dolphin and PCSX2. I've tried every driver, every setting, every witch oil solution online.

>every single emu works great for me
>Dolphin ALWAYS locks up after about 5 minutes

Pain

>>8309546
Buy a ps2 and wii. You can force 480p on both and play with component on a modern tv or a component to vga transcoder on a monitor.

>>8309487
>I want enthusiast quality but don't want enthusiast solutions
just use the real hardware and a crt bro

>>8309530
Retard. 6th gen consoles literally can’t connect to fast modern panels because they lack HDMI/Display port. Stop thinking like an emulator fag

>>8309551
Why a Wii over a Wii U?

Is there any frontend to allow rebinding per game? I'm talking about for actual native GCN/Wii/Wii U

>>8309562
The wii u experience involves just using th vwii which when ran on a wii u is slower, stuttery and has a forced filter which shits up the image quality. That and you're shackled to that awful tablet and the wii u has no games worth playing.

>>8309487
Just keep playing and you'll stop caring.

>>8309562
The Wii U can do everything the Wii can do, plus output HD via HDMI. However if you aren’t using the HDMI (because you are smart enough to run component through Retrorink5x), the Wii U isn’t worth the hassle. The Wii U has to boot into its regular operating system before it boots into the Wii’s operating system. So you have to have the tablet out taking up space in your entertainment center. Not a big deal, but its a consideration. The real problem is that the Wii U doesn’t have gamecube controller ports despite being able to play gamecube games natively. Easier to just use a regular cheap Wii if you arent using the HDMI for HD output.

>>8309564
Can't you remove the filter and just hook up a GCN controller?

Why would Wii or GCN stutter if they're playing natively?

If you want an enthusiast-grade experience then you need to be able to spend a little bit of money on enthusiast-grade hardware.
That means either getting real hardware and a CRT, or a good quality modern display with features that help with things like frame pacing and stuttering.
These things are not that expensive in the long run. Even a top-tier emulation set-up is very cheap compared to other hobbies.
It's really a question of how far up in your list of interests /vr/ happens to be.

>>8309571
Don’t know about the filter but you can use mayflash usb adaptor with nintendont to play GameCube games with a gc controller. Not sure if it allows stuff like gba link cable. Or wii games with gc controller support.

Honestly, I’d just stick with a wii but I use a crt.

>>8309546
Then don't play those games and play something else from the sixth generation which is better emulated.

>>8309578
>good quality modern display with features that help with things like frame pacing and stuttering.
shut the fuck up you fucking retard. A display can't just remove quarter and half second stutter you fucking dumbass. It's just how the emulator is, and that's how it will be until we have a NASA supercomputer to run Dolphin and PCSX2's software renderers at full speed in every game.

>I'm not playing with the shitty standard controller, non-rebindable controls, horrible input lag, having to get a bunch of convertors and upscalers and bullshit to play on a modern display, or having none of the features and conveniences of modern emulation.
Just gtfo my man.

>I'm not playing with the shitty standard controller, non-rebindable controls,
that's personal preference and the developers know how their game controls better than you
>horrible input lag
false, 6th gen consoles into a CRT have nearly zero lag
>having to get a bunch of convertors and upscalers and bullshit to play on a modern display
don't care, emulate if you want to use a modern display
>having none of the features and conveniences of modern emulation
you really need save states to play 6th gen games?

>>8309487
Simply be not poor

maybe retro videogames just isn't for you

>>8309487
It took something like 20 years for N64 emulation to finally become close to perfect. Just about everything you said applied to that console until very recently.

What I am saying is, buckle up for the ride, because it may take even longer than that for 6th gen.

>>8309487
>I'm not playing with the shitty standard controller, non-rebindable controls,
FAGGOT thread OP

>>8309487
>I literally cannot enjoy sixth gen consoles because the emulation is just not mature enough.
So get a Wii and a PS2 and you're set

>I'm not playing with the shitty standard controller, non-rebindable controls, horrible input lag, having to get a bunch of convertors and upscalers and bullshit to play on a modern display, or having none of the features and conveniences of modern emulation.
Stop being a bitch-ass nigger

>having to get a bunch of convertors and upscalers and bullshit to play on a modern display
so get a FREE crt television and plug in that yellow cable you fucking mong

>>8309487
>be in year 2008
>PSX already emulated well enough, DC getting better
>thinking 6th gen emulation is just a matter of time
>year 2021
>PS2 still emulates like ass

>>8309530
I don’t think lag will be a big deal breaker when a mixture of games run at like 30-60fps on original hardware, the difference is probably negligible by that point.
Either way, if you’re gonna play on 6th gen and accuracy is that much of a concern, you’ll want a cheap CRT for it because the PS2 mostly does not look great upscaled, even with a Retrotink 5x as much as it does its best.

>>8309487
>shitty standard controller
The controllers of that generation are all perfectly fine.
>non-rebindable controls
Why on earth would that be necessary? Just play the game the way that it is and get used to it.
>horrible input lag
Never noticed a problem with this.
>having to get a bunch of convertors and upscalers and bullshit to play on a modern display
Not really that hard. Or just pick up a crt from the side of the road somewhere and you're better off anyway.

Diagnosis: filtered. Go play some mobile phone games, casual.

>>8309597
>Then don't play those games
Do you know just how completely pathetic this sounds? Holy shit, just get a fucking console you losers.

>>8309487
Do you not have a game room with your favorite consoles and a retro PC? Are you really that poor?

>>8309487
Maybe stop trying to run it with your cellphone.

>>8309487
The absolute fucking state of emutrannies

Is there any option for playing PS2 on a modern TV that won't make it look like complete ass?

>>8309487
ever hear of such a thing as original hardware?

>>8309920
If you can jailbreak a PS4, the PS2 Classics emulator quadruples the internal render resolution according to digital foundry. Though games that you try to add may have emulation issues.
Beyond that, that's as good as it gets. I love upscalers but they can only do so much for the PS2 since most of its library does not run at 480p minimum compared to the Xbox/DC/GC.

>>8309487
kill yourself peasant nigger faggot
sage

>>8309530
This is your brain on emulation.

>>8309737
does MGS3 emulate properly yet? I remember trying to emulate that like 13 years ago and post-processing effects didn't work, so no bloom and you couldn't see any display during CODEC calls. Eventually the MGS HD Collection released so I just forgot about it and played on that instead, but now I'm curious.

>>8309487
>PS2
Cheap, unless you want to pay horror games on it.
>Gamecube
If you have a Wii laying around, Nintendont has you covered
>Xbox
lol
>Dreamcast
Emulation for it is fine, although getting a system that can play backups is still not expensive if you want to play on real hardware.

>>8309487
Just get a Wii man they're relatively cheap and insanely easy to softmod. Component cables are cheap as well and with Nintendont you can use any controller you want if you really don't like the Gamecube controller. You get Gamecube, Wii, Wiiware, and Virtual Console all on one system.

>>8309530
>CRT are around 7-8ms input lag due to how they draw their frames.
well guess the least amount of ms between logic frames on retro vidya, retard

>>8309487
I really couldn't give less of a shit

>>8309487
using wasapi exculsive mode solve my crackling issue in windows

>>8309530
>its another casual gamer thinks he can notice less than a frame of input lag episode

this thread sucks fucking balls

niggger

>>8310248
Finally someone gives this shit show the respect it deserves.
OP is a faggot.

>>8309721
N64 emulation is still dogshit

>>8310340
Just about every game except maybe that Pikachu game where you talk to the bastard is perfectly playable without glitches and with full authenticity now.

>>8309487
>I'm not playing with the shitty standard controller, non-rebindable controls, horrible input lag, having to get a bunch of convertors and upscalers and bullshit to play on a modern display, or having none of the features and conveniences of modern emulation.
Then go suffer, zoomer faggot.

>>8309613
>false, 6th gen consoles into a CRT have nearly zero lag
holy shit you're retarded lol

>>8310140
7-8ms would be the average of one frame of input lag, not the minimum. A high refresh monitor with VRR enabled would actually draw the frame faster and thus have less input lag.

>>8309487
Post specs

>>8309487
op you're a faggot but honestly ya got a point, i've been trying to set up primehack recently and goddamn no wonder i never did anything past n64 besides the gba. i mean i have a wii so it's not the end of the world but like fuck i'd rather they just port the trilogy over so i don't have to reconnect the console every time.

>poor emunigger tears
delicious.

>>8310756
I guess I got spoiled by fifth gen and prior emulation which is essentially completely flawless.

>>8309561
You're the one thinking like an emulator fag, consider you don't know what a line-multiplier/transcoder is.

>>8309530
>poorfag emubaby cope
kek

>>8309487
Your pc is probably fully of Spyware and shit

>>8309487
Get a wii, hack it, get every Gamecube game and wiii game you want.

PS2, hack it. download every PS2 game you want. its not hard. If you use a slim, use your homeserver and not a USB, works pretty good from a server, especially if you have a large collection.

>>8311492
There it is, the ancient emulation = malware cope. What's next, something about roms being illegal?

>>8311409
Emulation on a monitor is significantly lower input lag than native hardware on a CRT

>>8311520
I mean my pc is a decade old and I never have issues like that. The only time I get any sort of glitches is running older emulators or ones targeted at weaker hardware. If OP is getting inconsistent framerates the problem sounds like it's his set up. Like there are literally settings to lock framerates at 60 I don't see how inconsistent framerates are an issue when it's locked at 60. And crackling audio? Sounds like a problem with his setup again, don't know how sounds streamed from a "disc" are being distorted, the emulator is pretty much playing a wav file or equivalent when it comes to 6th gen hardware there is no soundchip generating those things. I havent ever emulated 6th gen but I have 7 and you would think that would cause more issues but nope, nothing but steady framerates and crisp audio. Only explanation is OP takes shit care of his pc.

>>8311590
You've clearly never used Dolphin, it has a notorious problem with stuttering due to retarded shader implementation or something.

>>8311519
I'm not playing with the shitty standard controller, non-rebindable controls, horrible input lag, having to get a bunch of convertors and upscalers and bullshit to play on a modern display, or having none of the features and conveniences of modern emulation.

>>8311609
lol just go back to /v/. You don't get input lag from real hardware with a proper CRT and you'd have to be a drooling retard to not be able to play with a 6th gen controller.

>>8311609
I'm still not sure why you'd exactly need to rebind your controls with old console games, its not like you're playing games designed with mouse and keyboard like Deus Ex for every title. Standard controllers were never terrible either, save for the Dreamcast with its terribad d-pad.

>>8311618
>You don't get input lag from real hardware with a proper CRT
Not him (and Idk why he's copy pasting my OP), but CRTs are only a few ms faster than modern monitors, and a high-refresh monitor with VRR used with emulation is actually even faster than a CRT because it's not constrained to 60Hz. CRT are around 7-8ms input lag due to how they draw their frames.

Properly setup emulation on a monitor is always lower input lag than native hardware on a CRT.

>>8311629
Are you fucking stupid? Games couldn't decide on anything. Cross for confirm, Circle for confirm. Circle for back, Triangle for back. Inverted controls that you can't change. The idiotic strafing tank controls of early 3D games, which can be easily fixed by combining movement into one stick. Shitty games that make you mash and offer no turbo. And then there are just countless games with completely nonsensical controller layouts that make no fucking sense. If I'm playing any specific genre of game, I like to always have a similar control layout across all of them.

>>8311649
>Games couldn't decide on anything. Cross for confirm, Circle for confirm. Circle for back, Triangle for back. Inverted controls that you can't change. The idiotic strafing tank controls of early 3D games, which can be easily fixed by combining movement into one stick. Shitty games that make you mash and offer no turbo. And then there are just countless games with completely nonsensical controller layouts that make no fucking sense. If I'm playing any specific genre of game, I like to always have a similar control layout across all of them.
Honestly if you can't simply adjust to any of what you just said you should probably stop playing video games altogether, you sound like a big baby's ass

>>8311649
Filtered

>>8311649
God forbid you need to adjust to a different control scheme.

>>8311649
This guy's a fucking joke. Imagine not being able to adapt to default controls

>>8311580
>cope on /vr/ is significantly higher from underage poorfags

>>8311618
not gonna have a CRT in my house in 2021 dude

>>8311848
Sorry future faggot, games from the CRT should not be plated by you then if our caveman tech is too triggering for you.

>>8311848
honestly if you don't have a CRT you really shouldn't be here period

>>8311848
Your parents are mean filthy casuals

>>8311609
>>8311649
This is either a very good troll or an incredible retard, I can't tell.

bump

Why do people not like PCSX2, to the point that they would prefer to play on original hardware instead? It's always been fine with whatever I've thrown at it.

>>8309530
Are you a top-end gamer? There are a LOT of players that just do not have the reaction speed for HALF of a 60fps frame. Yes it sucks, but in the end you would be better suited to GIT'N GUD than to spend an inordinantly large amount of money on something that probably doesn't matter at the average gamer's playing level.

>>8314719
Depends on the game.
What plebs still don't seem to grasp is that you can't emulate the Emotion Engine because it's a physical chip. Which is why it's difficult to find a good PS2 emulator, but not difficult to find something that didn't require the chip, say, a good PS3 emulator despite the PS3 being a later generation console.
Even the PS3 required an Emotion Engine chip to play PS2 games. But it became too costly to keep producing them and then there was the push to "dude just buy all of those games you already own on the PS store haha!" and the thick fucking consoomers gobbled it up.
But now you know why only some PS3s are backwards compatible (because they have the EE chip), why some aren't (because they don't have the EE chip), and why spastics keep crying about PS2 emulation without understanding why it's bad and just shutting the fuck up.

>>8309920
Retrotink5x or GBSC

>>8314719
You got lucky and only played the games that work well. There are many that don't.

>>8315058
That's true for Dolphin as well thought. PCSX2 games run much better in software, it's just that it's extremely taxing to run.

>>8311580
>I need low input lag to play morio party
kek
8ms is ok, not a big deal for most games unless you're a speedtranny or a competitive fightanfag

>>8315083
8ms is the emulation. The actual hardware on CRT is around 30-60ms for NES and quite a bit higher for GameCube depending on the game.

>>8314719
eh, runs good enough for me. I have a beefy (by /vr/ standards) PC and I primarily use software mode if I'm going to bother with pcsx2.
I prefer original hardware since I can use a big consumer CRT, but playing games occasionally on a desktop CRT is also nice.

>>8309570
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