/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8299137
This is game is bad on all platforms.

Megaman Legends is the only game ever used to show off Playstation 3d graphics, because it is the only good looking 3d game in the system's entire library.

>>8299141
t. Bong

>>8299146
*souls your path*

>>8299147
This is a retarded review, but it's just an unfun game; I'm not a PALer.

>>8299146
hmm what

>>8299137
What if you apply a bilinear filter to the psx version in an emulator? It should be the definite version then.

>>8299146
Did you know there's more 3D games running at 60fps on the PS1 and Saturn than there are on the N64?

>>8299137
Do people unironically think the right looks better?

>>8299182
even games who ran at rock solid 30fps were a rarity for the N64

>>8299137
Mehmet my son yuo are man now and is time to choose best MegaMan game versuon of best MegaMan game, MegaMan Legends,
will you choose:
>Superior draw distance, textures, and sound
or
>Analog support, smooth polygons that don't jitter around, and no load times

>>8299187
>smooth polygons that don't jitter around
That's a negative

>>8299195
>That's a negative
Yes

>>8299195
My god, the soul. PlayStation is the best console ever.

>>8299147
You realise this was a magazine for horny 12 year olds to waggle their willies, right?

threadly reminder that, while MM64 does have worse draw distance than the PS version, this comparison is made in bad faith, as it is after an event in the game where enemy Bonne robots destroy buildings in the city and the amount of damage they do (amount of buildings and houses destroyes) varies. This comparison is so shamelessly obviously made so that there's less buildings and houses on the N64 side to appear more empty on purpose.
another friendly, yet serious reminder that console warring is for homosexuals.

It's too bad they didn't do a Dreamcast version.

>>8299220
So much cope, so little time

>>8299220
What do you think a fairer comparison would be? Probably the battle in the field, right? Where else is there enough shit onscreen to matter that couldn't be manipulated through gameplay?

>>8299137
n64 looks better

>>8299137
Soulless vs Soul

>>8299263
cope about what? not being a console warrior?
I'm stating that the draw distance is actually worse on N64, I have no problem when fair comparisons are fair. This one is made worse on purpose, where draw distance is not the only thing that makes the N64 side look emptier.
>>8299268
Yeah both screens should have the same amounts of buildings for it to be fairer. You could perfectly see that green house on the right, also the library (probably whites/foggier than on PS, but you could still see it), but they're gone from the N64 not because of draw distance but because the person who did that comparison pics purposedly let more buildings get destroyed on N64.

>>8299291
...Fuck it, I have nothing better to do tonight. See you in an hour or whatever. I was gonna play SimCity or something but this is fine too.

>>8299195
As a kid I thought the wobble was intentional as a way to make everything look more alive.

>>8299380
I thought so too, and for all intents and purposes, it works. Alive, with a soul.

>>8299165
bilinear is not that great on that game
n64

>>8299389
ps1 nearest neighbor

>>8299392
ps1 bilinear

>>8299389
soul
>>8299392
saru
>>8299394
saul

>>8299146
Mega Man Legends is my fucking favorite game, but I can't agree with you there anon..

>>8299406
Heh, the dialog is fitting.

>>8299146
Most of the textures look like something that would be used in a 2D megaman game, so the unfiltered pixels actually look way better than n64's filtered image. I think MML is an outstanding example of good low-poly art.

>>8299150
Emulators don't count you dingus. Although I do think Spyro is the best looking game on the PS1.

>>8299465
>Emulators don't count
Games look better on CRTs than in emulators.

>>8299479
Well generally, yeah. But I was more referring to the filters and upscaling that the emulator provides.

>>8299237
Still the best. Always will be

>>8299406
>no soul/soul overload

>>8299358
pathetic

>>8299406
Emulated, but yeah.

>>8299137
nice filters

>>8299542
Is it using the correct N64 filtering? Most emulators don't because it's not the usual implementation of bilinear.

>>8299147
>video game "journalism"

>>8299560
What would be the correct n64 filtering?

>>8299147
>BY VIRGIN
what a surprise

>>8299592
three-point

>>8299147
seethers will seethe, but this is an honest assessment of the game and was common opinion of the time. Only in recent years have people pretended to like it.

>>8299603
Found a core that has it.

>>8299647

>>8299647
I forgot to increasing the rendering resolution. Glide64 is a bit different

>>8299657
and at a higher res

>>8299662
OK yeah that just looks awful in game then.

>>8299657
>>8299662
increase*
Going higher than this messes with the aspect ratio, but my monitor is to blame.

>>8299657
>>8299678
>Glide64

If you're going to use a plugin that makes it look HD, at least switch to the Mupen64Plus-Next core and use GLideN64 instead. You can even enable MSAA and widescreen hack. And if you want it to actually reflect how it looks on real hardware, use ParaLLEl-RDP.

>>8299665
In my opinion, the display method should also be considered, but I only got LCD monitors so take these pics with a grain of salt.
glide64 can also do nearest neighbor and the other type of bilinear btw

>>8299707

>>8299705
I just used glide64 to take some comparison pics and make sure it used the n64 3-point filtering. I'm not going to play the game like that. I'm aware about parallel.

>>8299726
x4 res

>>8299195
Pretty sure he was talking about the 64 version.

>>8299651
kek

>>8299662
>that text
What are you talking about, LOOKIN pretty GOOD to me.

>>8299137
>Presented without context.
Now post a video of those warping polygons and wobbly textures in motion.

Stop spamming retroarch filters, retard.

>>8299837
Uh, there's no filters or shaders in those pics, anon. Are you referring to the texture filtering? Because that's an option in most standalones.

>>8299385
>I thought so too, and for all intents and purposes, it works. Alive, with a soul.
God STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP with this fucking buzzword already! I literally cringed at this--LITERAL CRINGE.

>>8299187
This post is fucking in comprehensible

>>8299848

>>8299834
>warping polygons and wobbly textures
Better than sterile lack of movement or soul.

>>8299845
People have called things soulful for years you fucking retard. Get over it.

>>8299837
Though there is a bilinear and nearest neighbor shader, they work differently than the core options. Those can directly affect things like textures instead of being a "makeover".
Shaders are usually like this

>>8299889
NO they have not! Shut. Up.
You kids started spouting this crap ad nauseam ONLY AFTER Spyro Reignited triggered the fuck out of autists on /v/ and thus leading us to the regurgitation of "muh soul/soulless".
Don't even try to revise history here because you literally cannot prove me wrong.

>>8299926
You're right, soul was never a buzzword until the Spyro remake came out. Also, 4chan was created in 2016.

>>8299994
Autism incoming. This is going by "Soulless" in the OP alone.

>>8299389
>>8299392
damn it's so obvious the texture resolution is lower

>>8299926
wait until you hear that shintoism says inert things and objects have soul too

>>8299182
>There's more 3D games running at 60fps on the PS1 and Saturn than there are on the N64
Like?

>>8299137
PS1 will always be better because all that it lacked is fixed in emulation, but no one not even ai can upscale the god-awful n64 textures.

>>8300467
based

i want a version of /vr/ where console warring is banned entirely

>>8300494
it exists:
>>>/reddit/

>>8299137
I love both games so fucking much. They were both just what i needed last year when got so sick of moder games. Hardly anything comes close to this soul.
Can you imagine there are people out there droping these because they hate the control scheme? Lmao. What a fucking loss

>>8300513
i like the implication that /vr/ is basically reddit

>>8299147
>it’s too colourful!
Fucking brits. Should have released it there with a grey filter over everything and it raining for half the game.

>>8300526
Based

Megaman Legends on N64 has low res textures, while PC and PS1 has high res.
PC got the best of the ports in terms of visuals because it had 3dfx dither powering it, though modern footage lacks stuff like scanlines and other shit those cards had
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc-at_P9wLI
the image would look more sharp

the downside is that capcom went full retarded and forgot to fix shadows and high quality sounds

>>8300575
>Megaman Legends on N64 has low res textures, while PC and PS1 has high res.
but all three have soulful textures

>>8299396
Kek

>>8299396
>saru
違う, here is the 猿.

>>8300494
It is already, but only when Nintendo is the butt of the joke

>>8300607
You're right anon, that's why this thread which was created to shit on the N64 is still up

>>8299647
>>8299651
>>8299657
>>8299662
>>8299678
>>8299707
>>8299709
>>8299726
>>8299729
this clown didn't even know what three point filtering was until a couple of hours ago and he's also posting screenshots of PS1 emulation with bilinear filtering
I'd think it was bait but he's been at it for the last 12 hours, the state of /vr/ holy shit

>>8299187
Where is that image from? looks good.

>>8300607
Not a console but the closest actual example of that here is Treasure threads. Treasure fans seems to be a protected species here and because jannies are fucking incapable of dealing with one very based shitposter.

>>8300608
Two 'anti-N64' threads were deleted just night. Please go ahead and tell me what rule a side-by-side picture comparison breaks though

>>8300621
t. auskun

>>8300632
>Please go ahead and tell me what rule a side-by-side picture comparison breaks though
What do people get out of acting like disingenuous assholes? Please go ahead and tell me.
>disingenuous (adj): not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

>>8299187
>>Analog support,
There isn't analog support in Mega Man 64 though. I'm playing it right now and it's just digital mapped to the analog stick. Why do people keep saying this?

>>8300646
Please show me where disingenuous is in the 4channel rules. Thanks for the random inapposite English lesson though I guess?
>inapposite (adj): not suitable; well-adapted; pertinent; relevant; apt

>>8300679
Yeah yeah smug disingeunous baiting, I get it already.

>>8300613
Time zones anon and there's nothing wrong with learning something new.

>screenshots of PS1 emulation with bilinear filtering
Another anon asked about bilinear with the ps1 version.
>>8299165

Either way, just play whichever version is your favorite. I just made comparisons.

>>8299147
why do brits hate megaman so much?

>>8299147
'90/ early '00 gaming journalism was a comedic joke.

>>8300851
no amiga port

>>8299865
kek

>>8300851
They are all amiga autists

>>8300851
Didn't get a release on the amiga

>>8299195
Now grab a CRT and watch this same gif
You won't notice the jitter.

>>8299845
>STOP SAYING THIS BUZZORD
>Says "cringe" twice in the same post
>With a fucking calarts cartoon picture
Based soulless low IQ poster.

>>8300851
Probably because you couldn’t get it on the Amiga

>>8300851
No Amiga port

>>8300465
N64:

Dark Rift
F-Zero X
Gauntlet Legends
Killer Instinct Gold
Mortal Kombat 4
Super Smash Bros.
Virtual Hiryu no Ken 1.5

Saturn:

All-Japan Pro Wrestling featuring Virtua
Dead or Alive
DecAthlete
Digital Dance Mix Vol. 1: Namie Amuro
Fighters Megamix
Fighting Vipers
Goiken Muyou: Anarchy in the Nippon
J.League Go Go Goal!
Last Bronx
Layer Section II
Mass Destruction
Panzer Dragoon II Zwei (1996) (Only cutscenes)
Radiant Silvergun
Savaki
Stellar Assault SS
Street Racer
Tempest 2000
Terra Cresta 3D
Thunder Force V
Virtua Fighter 2
Virtua Fighter Kids
Zero Divide: The Final Conflict

>>8300465
>>8301186
PS1:

Battle Arena Toshinden 3
BattleSport
Bloody Roar
Bloody Roar 2: Bringer of the New Age
Boxing
Colin McRae Rally (Hidden feature)
Critical Blow
Crime Killer
Dance Dance Revolution 5th Mix
Dead or Alive
Dynasty Warriors
Ehrgeiz
Einhander
Fighters' Impact
Fighting Illusion K-1 GP 2000
Fighting Illusion V: K-1 Grand Prix '99
Fighting Illusion: K-1 Grand Prix '98
Floating Runner: Quest for the 7 Crystals
Forsaken
Funky Boxers
G-Darius
Ganbare Goemon: Kurunara Koi! Ayashige Ikka no Kuroi Kage
Garou Densetsu Wild Ambition
Gauntlet Legends
Geom Cube
Genei Tougi: Shadow Struggle
Goiken Muyou II
Gran Turismo(Hidden Hi-Fi mode)
Hard Blow
Hyper Final Match Tennis
Invasion From Beyond
iS: Internal Section
K-1 World Grand Prix 2001 Kaimakuden
Kamen Rider
Kamen Rider Agito
Kamen Rider Kuuga
Kamen Rider Ryuki
Kamen Rider V3
Kensei: Sacred Fist
Kickboxing
Klonoa: Door to Phantomile
Kula World
Lattice: 200EC7
Micro Machines V3
Mortal Kombat 4)
Motor Toon GP R
Motorhead(60 fps mode is optional)
Muppet RaceMania
N2O: Nitrous Oxide
One on One
R-Type Delta
Rapid Racer
Rascal
RayCrisis
RayStorm
RC de GO!
Ridge Racer Turbo
Rival Schools
Running Wild
Sanvein
Shin Nippon Pro Wrestling: Toukon Retsuden 2
Shin Nippon Pro Wrestling: Toukon Retsuden 3
Shiritsu Justice Gakuen: Nekketsu Seishun Nikki 2
SlamScape
Street Fighter EX 2 Plus
Street Fighter EX Plus Alpha
Street Racer
Tekken
Tekken 2
Tekken 3
Tempest X3
The Granstream Saga
The Helicopter
Thunder Force V: Perfect System
Tobal 2
Tobal No. 1
Tomba!
Victory Boxing
Virtual Hiryu no Ken
Vs.
Xevious 3D/G
XI [sai]/ Devil Dice
XI [sai] Jumbo
Zen-Nippon Pro Wrestling: Ouja no Kon
Zero Divide 2: The Secret Wish

>>8300851
no tienen amigas

>>8300526
Glad you discovered and appreciated them, anon. 1 has so many cool details, Kattelox Island is one of my favorite hubworlds in any videogame. Wish 2's islands were a little more fleshed up and the Water Temple was not such a slog, but the combat was great, and the dungeons were a step in the right direction. Both have an incredible soundtrack and possibly the most impressive 5th gen cutscenes ever, it's directed like a 90s OVA with some tasty Ghibli inspiration in the settings, and those sprite-based expressions on the models, heck, they even got a charming as fuck 90s anime quality dub in the west. The look and sound of these games is just immortal, and with just a little push, the gameplay could have been as well.

Shame 3 was Capcomed, fuck now I'm sad.

>>8301163
Maybe he's trying to stir the pot, maybe there's a specfic buzzword he dislikes, maybe just trying to be ironic via transparent hipocrysy, who knows. Anyways, you're all buzzword spamming faggots whose posts read like automated templates or madman wall scribbles after seeing them over and over and over in every damn threadand social media post.

>>8301208
>Maybe he's trying to stir the pot, maybe there's a specfic buzzword he dislikes, maybe just trying to be ironic via transparent hipocrysy, who knows. Anyways, you're all buzzword spamming faggots whose posts read like automated templates or madman wall scribbles after seeing them over and over and over in every damn threadand social media post.

Great point! And it makes me think: could most of /vr/ even express themselves without buzzwords? Or they'd rather be silent, for the lack of words?

>>8301218
Who the fuck cares all I know is when not only across boards, but all the damn internet including normie social media and brat-pandering e-celebs became infected with this speak I started becoming really really fucking sick of it.

I will foreber blame /v/ and /tv/.

>>8300243
All things have mana. All except Gustav.

>>8301232
Just calm down. When you're a little child, you only know a handful of words, because you're still dumb. However, as you grow up, your vocabulary becomes richer and you're more articulated. However, some low-IQ chimps are grown ups and can't communicate, so merciful beings create buzzwords, so they can still express themselves, not that it's particularly worthwhile, it's just an act of mercy of the intelligent towards the stupid.

>>8300467
You can, technically, but all it does is show that the textures are small and extremely pixelated when not stretched out.

>>8300621
There is nothing "very based" about shitposting.

>>8300632
Usually mods delete threads if there's already a thread up for the topic.

>>8300883
Compared to today where it's a very sad joke.

>>8301186
>>8301193
N64sisters... we got too cocky...

>>8300883
gaming "journalism" always is a joke

>>8301232
language changes over time, that's how language works. unironically learn to cope with it

>>8299150
>upscales to 240p to 4k in your path
>acts retarded in your path

>>8301408
Ok, you memebrained retard.

>>8301291
>>8301371
I miss dudebro vidya journalism. At least between pandering to dudebros and to SJWs, dudebros played videogames sometimes, and it was funnier.

>>8301163
>>Says "cringe" twice in the same post
Because unlike you memspouting mongs, he actually used it properly then emphasized the absurdity of using said buzzword properly as opposed to how it's normally said on here and elsewhere.

>>8301163
>>With a fucking calarts cartoon picture
What does that have ANYTHING to do with? Are we gatekeeping reaction images now?

>>8300668
Because you can't use the analog stick on psx PERIOD

>>8300851
If it's NOOT on me Zed Equis Spectroom, it's NOOT a good gayme, simple as

>>8299237
I actually think the PS1 version looks the best. Texture filter has always looked like ass.

>>8301612
Capcom literally stole Rockman from the Speccy though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7SaXaJ11f4

>>8301607
I actually mapped the shoulder buttons to the analog while playing both games but I kept using the shoulders anyway for the rest of the game. It just makes sense.

>>8301659
>mapped
I believe Tron Bonne and Legends 2 had analog support

>>8301649
Oi now THERES a gud Rockman gayme. At's woi they naymed the new one Rockman Zed Eckies after the ol Spectroom

>>8301672
>At's woi they naymed the new one Rockman Zed Eckies after the ol Spectroom

>>8301515
>Are we gatekeeping reaction images now?
Yes. Now fuck off.

>>8299182
The original point was also retarded (numerous PSX games had good-looking 3D other than MML), but this point you're making is just game quantity and doesn't relate to system capability. If you add the amount of games N64 and Saturn had together, the PSX has almost 5 times as many as that number.

>>8299729
>>8299542
Can anyone take a CRT and LCD photo of this part on both real PS1 and N64 to compare?

>>8300189
I'm somewhat new to /vr/, but I'm pretty sure that "soul" was a word I used a decade ago and more

>>8300613
Look how furious this anon is that emulation exists and can be used to test and learn about things the games are doing.

>>8301705
> but this point you're making is just game quantity and doesn't relate to system capability.
Except even things like simple 3D fighters aren't running at 60fps on the N64. The few that do aren't even running at a solid 60fps with dips. There's a reason for it, the N64 wins at drawing correct and filtered polygons, but not and drawing lots of them quickly. Square mentioned this in interviews discussing Final Fantasy VII and reasons for why they jumped ship beyond just CD-ROMs.

>>8299182
>PS1
>Saturn
>3D
lol

>>8302185
Looks pretty 3D to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rdAxewJ6fw

>>8302204
it isn't

>>8302220
Because the GPU/VDPs don't have any sense of Z coordinates or a Z Buffer? So what? That's why you do software Z Sorting algorithms.

>>8302257
He probably thinks a car is not a car if it's missing a tire.

>>8299146
lmao what
I'm a Nintendrone if anything and even I know that's not true

>>8302257
>software solution
lmao
>>8302261
retarded analogy

>>8301703
No.

>>8302654
>That doesn't count!
Shut the fuck up.

>>8302654
>software solution
>lmao
How do you think things like Quake and Tomb Raider were pulled off on PCs before 3D Accelerator cards took off? Are you going to tell me those games weren't 3D until Accelerator cards came out?

Is Starfox a 3D game?

>>8302984
>>8302861
All games are 2D, they are merely images on a screen

>>8302987
Okay, is Starfox a "3D" game?

>>8302995
Sure, I guess.

>>8299147
honestly this game feels like a bad cheap cartoon from the 90s. maybe megaman was always like that. anyway he's right

>>8303275
Some opinions are incorrect

>>8302984
>>8302997
I don't think Starfox has a real Z axis (though I could be wrong), only X-Y; therefore not 3D. Doom is 3D because it uses X-Y and Z extensively in gameplay and level design. Most people who say "Quake is 3D, Doom is not" are just sheep repeating words they heard without thinking about it and wouldn't be able to give a definition of "3D" if asked. "3D" doesn't mean "being able to see 2 overlapping floors at the same time", it merely refers to X-Y-Z, doesn't matter how it's made.

>>8299137
Ports at the time never really took advantage of the system being ported, sometimes they end up better but they pretty much have to rebuild the whole game at that point. They are intended for people who only have one console. In general n64 just does less polys than ps1.

>>8299380
At the time I very rarely noticed it or didn't think it was even worth caring about, nowdays I can notice it pretty bad even on small crt's.

>>8300575
Sometimes pc ports would have annoying speed problems like stuttering even with a 3dfx so the game wouldn't look smooth even at a high framerate. Consoles did well with optimizing frame rate and speed.

>>8300613
Looking back I think it good that people had the choice to choose the consoles with higher rez textures or texture filtering, nice option you don't have today, now we are stuck in the middle of the road. When Dreamcast came out it felt like we could have the advantages of both consoles and at 640x480.

>>8302984
It seems like it would be a waste to fully calculate the polygons instead of making them precalculated but other fx chip games have similar performance with fully 3d so maybe it is real 3d, maybe most of the time is just filling out the shapes.

>>8299147
Britfag here. I bought this game when it came out and loved every bit of it, remains one of my favorite games to this day.

>>8301060
This is such horseshit and you know it. The wobble/warping has always been visible

>>8302987
Wrongo

>>8299165
>the "definitive version" is a hacked version run in a modded emulator

Absolutely colossal-brained post

>>8299137
>>8299834
64 just wasn't a very good port. It could have been a good port, but Capcom were idiots when it came to the N64 and took until 2001 to release the game, leading to a port that was essentially rushed because they didn't want to wait on the Gamecube to release.

>>8299147
Are you really in any position to shit on Bong publications, given that reviews in Burger mags were just glorified ads? We had EGM. We had GamePro. We know they're utter fucking shit. And advertisements every four pages? Really?

>>8303967
>but Capcom were idiots when it came to the N64
Who made the RE2 port then? Because that shit was some arcane magic.

>>8304403
Outsourced to Angel Studios.

>>8304501
Ah.

>>8300908
>>8300929
>>8300994
>>8301176
>>8301181
>>8301205

>>8303473
>favorite
If you're going to pretend to be a bong, at least drop the Americanised spelling

I'm sure there's SOMEONE in Europe who likes Mega Man.

>>8305669
nah they prefer some shit like silly wily on ZEDEX

No amount of crt makes me want to play Legends 1 again. 2 sure.

>>8305685
Based

>>8299187
Tron looks concerned

>>8305709
Tron is best girl

>>8305685
1 unironically has better gameplay. 2 has arguably better dungeons but the improved lock on makes every fight the same.

>>8305765
Actually Yuna (forma de Hilda) is.

>>8302987
Based

This thread got me to start a replay of Mega MAn 64, feels good man

>>8301186
>Super Smash Bros
Not if there's 4 players lmao and I say that as a huge fan of Smash 64. It chokes once you have a fourth player character on the screen.

>>8306216
I've beaten 1 a dozen times but can't get more than a few hours into 2 without getting bored and stopping. Why?

>>8299147
This reads like shitaku, polygon, twitter, reddit and pedoera all rolled into 1, Christ alive.

>>8300883
>a joke
always has been

>>8300851
amigus

>>8299406
>bark
>barf

>>8312262
based

>>8299207
>3dpd
we had suggestive drawings in our psm here
anglos are truly despicables

>>8302987
>life is 2D, they're merely projections on your retina

>>8312317
Ok. Good analogy there.

>>8312317
>Nothing truly exists if we keep our eyes

>>8313968
Keep our eye closed, that is. Who am I kidding. I fumbled that pseudo-shitpost hard.

>>8313968
>>8313975
Sorry, cowboy. You had only one bullet and missed your shot. Now, Billy got the girl and ya got nothin'.

>>8299147
Isn't this from the video game magazine that wanted to be a lad-mag? Any game that didn't have big tits and soccer were probably rated like shit to look "cool".